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Tom DeLay Indicted

Thread ID: 20438 | Posts: 56 | Started: 2005-09-28

xmetalhead [OP]

2005-09-28 17:07 | User Profile

[I]What did one of Bush's best boot-lickers do to make the Jews upset enough to strike him down with a lightning bolt from Mt Sinai? Was DeLay wavering on Iraq?[/I]

[COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]DeLay indicted in campaign finance probe[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[B]House majority leader, two associates face criminal conspiracy charge[/B]

[COLOR=Red]BREAKING NEWS[/COLOR]

NBC News and news services Updated: 12:52 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

WASHINGTON - A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indictment that could force him to step down as House majority leader.

DeLay attorney Steve Brittain said DeLay was accused of a criminal conspiracy along with two associates, John Colyandro, former executive director of a Texas political action committee formed by DeLay, and Jim Ellis, who heads DeLay's national political committee.

The indictment against the second-ranking, and most assertive Republican leader came on the final day of the grand jury's term. It followed earlier indictments of a state political action committee founded by DeLay and three of his political associates.

[URL=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9507677/]Whole Story on MSNBC[/URL]

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-29 14:37 | User Profile

[color=black]Never do business with a jew...[/color]

[color=black][/color] [QUOTE=xmetalhead]What did one of Bush's best boot-lickers do to make the Jews upset enough to strike him down with a lightning bolt from Mt Sinai? Was DeLay wavering on Iraq?

[color=red][size=4]DeLay indicted in campaign finance probe[/size][/color]

House majority leader, two associates face criminal conspiracy charge

[color=red]BREAKING NEWS[/color]

NBC News and news services Updated: 12:52 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9507677/"]Whole Story on MSNBC[/url][/QUOTE]

Okiereddust

2005-09-29 14:49 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch][color=black]Never do business with a jew...[/color]

[color=black][/color][/QUOTE]Could you explain this a bit, in this case?

Overall, the dispensationalist lapdog Delay isn't of course my favorite pubbie, but I think we all know campaign finance law is the most brazenly political thing on Capital Hill, and coming from Texas's historic little "Pyongyang on the Colorado" Austin, I wouldn't count it substantively amounting to more than a hill of beans beyond political string pulling.

Although it does make one curious. Do you think perhaps Congressional leaders who have been the most gung-ho on Iraq are now starting to be viewed as political albatrosses, and a decision has been made in this case to cut some of the more brazen loose?

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-29 15:19 | User Profile

How about the jew Abrahamoff, there seems to be some disagreement on just how this jew Abramoff spells his legal name, for starters...:biggrin:

DeLay's a big boy, and, he should have known if you do business with jews you lose.

I do feel sorry for DeLay, even though I am a die hard Jeffersonian Democrat---DeLay answered my letters in a very personal manner.

xmetalhead

2005-09-29 15:32 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust] Although it does make one curious. Do you think perhaps Congressional leaders who have been the most gung-ho on Iraq are now starting to be viewed as political albatrosses, and a decision has been made in this case to cut some of the more brazen loose?[/QUOTE]

Even boot-licking Congressman, like the American people, sometimes need to be "shock and awed" to remain docile and correct to Inner Party desires. Some are "plane-crashed", some are "disappeared", some are "suicided", and some are openly stuffed into the "stocks" for public humiliation. The message usually isn't lost on the remaining servants.

If the IP decided that overt war hawks are now a liability, DeLay would be among the top. Him and several dozen others might all need to be publicly lashed. And it wouldn't be one iota undeserved. The catastrophic invasion and occupation of Iraq hasn't even [U]begun[/U] paying back it's predicted consequences on a majority of regular Americans. Wait until that happens!

I hate all politicians, but it seems DeLay is being struck down for something that they [U]all[/U] do. Why?

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-29 15:51 | User Profile

How about the jew mob and jewboy Abramoff...and their role in DeLay's troubles: [url="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=abramoff+DeLay"]http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=abramoff+DeLay[/url]

The only two things you can possibly safely say to a jew are "no" and "good-bye". :angry:

Okiereddust

2005-09-29 16:55 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]How about the jew mob and jewboy Abramoff...and their role in DeLay's troubles: [url="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=abramoff+DeLay"]http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=abramoff+DeLay[/url]

The only two things you can possibly safely say to a jew are "no" and "good-bye". :angry:[/QUOTE]Impressive

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 /PRNewswire/ -- Just one day after consultants tied to DeLay ally Jack Abramoff had been charged [B]with murder[/B], the majority leader himself was indicted by a Texas grand jury on allegations he conspired to misuse campaign donations.[/QUOTE]Clearly this was a pretty shady group, a little fringy even for Capital Hill, unless you're Bill Clinton.

Wonder what the freepers say about this all. (Don't ask :disgust: )

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-29 18:36 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Impressive

Clearly this was a pretty shady group, a little fringy even for Capital Hill, unless you're Bill Clinton.

Wonder what the freepers say about this all. (Don't ask :disgust: )[/QUOTE] Well, President Clinton did pardon that jew Marc Rich, Reich (sp). I have friends who were really hurt by that jew. Sooner or later the jews are going to pay in the USA. Let's not forget, the jews have been run out of every country they have ever wandered into, some countries the jews have been thrown out of multiple times over the centuries. I doubt the US will be any exception. :censored:

In some ways being jewed by the jews is poetic justice for poor Tom DeLay.

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:01 | User Profile

Targeting Tom DeLay: The Real Story

Breaking from NewsMax.com

The news that Tom DeLay has been indicted is not news to NewsMax Magazine readers.

Just months ago we published a special report, "Targeting Tom DeLay," detailing how the major media and the Democratic Party have launched an all-out assault on the House Majority Leader. We exposed who is really behind the effort to stop DeLay.

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In this blockbuster report NewsMax reveals:

How a secret tape helped spur the effort to get DeLay. Why a noted media analyst calls the anti-DeLay frenzy a "media jihad." The "dirty little secret" no one in Congress wants to talk about. Washington insider Paul Weyrich reveals the two real reasons for the attacks on DeLay – reasons you'll never hear in the media. The sordid story of the most prominent member of the Democratic Party and why he is "in a class by himself" when it comes to conflicts of interest. How Democrats tried to use a fake police mug shot of DeLay. The inside story on how the Democrats are replaying their strategy against Newt Gingrich and what he has to say about it. The untold story behind former exterminator DeLay's entry into politics and why he has risen so quickly to become among the most powerful people in America. The shadowy "syndicate" funded by billionaire George Soros – determined to destroy DeLay and lay the groundwork for a Democratic victory in 2008. The real Tom DeLay – up close and personal – you'll never see on "60 Minutes." The dramatic moment when DeLay rededicated himself to Christ. Why insiders say the majority leader will never be indicted. How the L.A. Times smeared DeLay over his father's death. Why the attack on DeLay has been termed "spiritual warfare." And much, much more. Remember, this story was first published months ago. So often NewsMax Magazine beats the rest of the media to the real story. This explosive report blows the lid off the attack on Tom DeLay, which you need to read about now as the controversy reverberates through American politics.

[url]www.NewsMax.com[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:04 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead][I]What did one of Bush's best boot-lickers do to make the Jews upset enough to strike him down with a lightning bolt from Mt Sinai? Was DeLay wavering on Iraq?[/I]

[COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]DeLay indicted in campaign finance probe[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[B]House majority leader, two associates face criminal conspiracy charge[/B]

[COLOR=Red]BREAKING NEWS[/COLOR]

NBC News and news services Updated: 12:52 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

[URL=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9507677/]Whole Story on MSNBC[/URL][/QUOTE]

DeLay is no boot licker, you moron. :oh:

Angeleyes

2005-09-30 00:06 | User Profile

Come of folks, this is just regular old Texas politics.

DeLay ram rodded the redistricting piece down the throats of all and sundry, for better and worse, so one of the Texas Dems, the Travis county DA (Earle or some such) is getting a bit of payback.

I'll wager that DeLay has a good enough bunch of lawyers that he'll beat the rap. Not sure what he did or didn't do, and to be frank with you, don't much care. They are all crooks, at the core.

This is an old family squabble erupting out of the house and onto the street, as I see it.

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Targeting Tom DeLay: The Real Story

Breaking from NewsMax.com

[url="http://www.newsmax.com/"]www.NewsMax.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Okiereddust

2005-09-30 00:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Come of folks, this is just regular old Texas politics.

[/QUOTE]Well its still pretty shady and weird to the rest of us, even if its just a few good ole buys having fun to you Texans. :wacko:

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:31 | User Profile

[SIZE=6] US press critical of Tom DeLay [/SIZE]

News that Tom DeLay, Republican majority leader in the US House of Representatives, is to face criminal charges has provoked stinging criticism from many US newspapers. Mr DeLay has insisted he is innocent of the charges - which centre on allegations of illegal fund-raising - and described the man prosecuting him as an "unabashed partisan zealot".

Mr DeLay's hard-headed approach to his role has secured Republican interests in the House in recent years, bringing political results but turning him into a divisive partisan figure.

"The imperious Texan is an increasing embarrassment to his party, turning its majority into an undisguised fountain of patronage and an ideological cudgel while skirting the bounds of campaign law," says The New York Times, which criticises his decision to resign his post only temporarily.

The newspaper points to Mr DeLay's open intervention in state elections in Texas as "reason enough for him to relinquish leadership" even without criminal charges.

His approach is damned as "intellectually dishonest" by the Los Angeles Times, which ponders whether US political culture can deteriorate further before it improves.

Win or lose in court, Mr DeLay should be permanently stripped of his leadership powers

The New York Times Pointing to a fresh outbreak of partisan squabbling in Washington surrounding the charges, the likelihood is, the newspaper suggests, that little will change.

Mr DeLay "has practically made a career out of testing the boundaries on ethics - and going far beyond them politically," the LA Times says.

He is accused of hypocrisy and partisanship on issues ranging from military action to the right to life: a man, the LA Times believes, "so unprincipled that not even his allies pretend he stands for anything".

Texas lukewarm

Even newspapers in Texas, home to Mr DeLay and President George W Bush, have strong words over the issue.

"It should go without saying, but I'll put it on the record, that [Mr] DeLay is innocent until proven guilty. It just doesn't mean that he is blameless," writes Cragg Hines in the Houston Chronicle.

Tom DeLay "personally and vindictively, for partisan advantage" redrew electoral boundaries city of Austin to benefit Republicans, Mr Hines says. There is irony, he adds, in Mr DeLay branding his prosecution a political issue.

In the Dallas Morning News, Carl Leubsdorf points out that Tom DeLay "was brought down by a party rule that Republicans initially enacted to contrast their adherence to the proprieties with the allegedly lower standards of the Democrats.

"In a larger sense, he fell victim to his own efforts to continually expand his power."

Back in the capital, The Washington Post questions whether criminal charges might be a "blunt instrument" to use in an apparently political game.

Nevertheless, echoing the concerns of others, the Post wonders if "this latest controversy will cause his colleagues to rethink whether he is, in fact, the person they really want to call their leader".

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4293102.stm[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:37 | User Profile

Friday, Aug. 5, 2005 8:49 p.m. EDT DeLay: Round Up Illegal Immigrants

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay urged Texas police Thursday night to begin rounding up illegal immigrants, and said he backed legislation that would cut off federal funds to cities that don't enforce U.S. immigration laws.

Speaking to a gathering of Fort Bend County, Texas, Republicans, DeLay said that if police rounded up illegals, the federal government would find places to house them.

In quotes picked up by the Houston Chronicle, the top Republican urged: "If you pick up 50 or 100 of them, you can call the National Guard." As for housing, DeLay said: "Put them in tents."

He noted that until now, even the federal government has not rounded up illegal immigrants in U.S. cities, because federal agents had no place to detain them. The situation is changing, however, under the new leadership at the Department of Homeland Security, he said.

DeLay emphasized that he's a strong supporter of legal immigration. But he opposes educating illegal immigrants using U.S. tax dollars or having their U.S.-born children automatically become American citizens.

According to the Chronicle, he blasted Houston city officials for their lax attitude toward illegal immigration, saying, "It greatly concerns me that the police chief in Houston, Texas, has created a sanctuary in Houston by announcing that he is not going to enforce our laws."

DeLay said he supported legislation introduced by Rep. Tom Tancredo that would withhold federal funding from cities like Houston that ignore federal immigration regulations.

Other big-city governments, including New York City, that do not enforce immigration laws would presumably also be at risk to have federal subsidies yanked under the provision supported by DeLay.

[url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/5/205249.shtml[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:44 | User Profile

Bill Maher: Mel Gibson and Tom DeLay Are Anti-Semites NEWSMAX.COM - Controversial TV talker Bill Maher attacked religious conservatives in an early morning interview on Wednesday, claiming that movie star Mel Gibson and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay were "anti-Semitic."

"I do think Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic," Maher told radio host Don Imus. "So, by the way, is Tom DeLay. So, by the way, are all these Christian right people who pretend to be friends of Israel."

Then Maher accused Christian fundamentalists of befriending Israel only because, ultimately, they'd like to see Jews die:

"You know, this is the sickest thing. They go over to Israel and they're not for the Bush road map to peace over there in the Middle East. Because they don't want Arabs in Jerusalem – because what they say is the Bible says that when Jesus comes back for the Second Coming, Jerusalem has to be just the way he left it."

The host of HBO's "Real Time" continued:

"It can't be full of Arabs, because there were no Arabs then. It has to be full of Jews. Because when the Second Coming takes place and we all go up to heaven, the Jews have a place in that little play – which of course is to die. The Jews have to die when Jesus comes back."

Then the TV talker adopted the voice of a mock movie director and announced, "Places, everybody. Where are my Jews? You have a place to play in this, and that's dying – or converting."

Earlier in the interview, Maher charged that President Bush had misled the American people about Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorists, saying that any affiliation between the Iraqi dictator and folks like Osama bin Laden was purely social.

"It's so preposterous," he told Imus. "I mean, I always said it was like the link between – you know, they keep putting Sug Knight in jail because he associates with gang members."

The HBO host explained:

"Well, yes. He's a black guy from the hood who was in the rap industry. Of course he is going to know a few people with a criminal record. And Saddam Hussein is an Arab. Of course he's going to know a few terrorists socially."

This is truly hate speech and a gross misinterpretation of Christianity and the view of eschatology of many American evangelicals. When I saw this swill this morning I wanted to go on the major attack. Now, I just feel sad. We can react in many ways; boycotts, writing to HBO and many other things but we must make sure we are loving and not angry. Responding in an angry way just fits the stereotype he's creating.

Of course, liberals get away with this all the time (see Ted Kennedy) and I'm tired of it but we need to find better ways to respond. I don't have any answers ....

[url]http://www.brokenmasterpieces.com/archives/000211.html[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:51 | User Profile

Tom DeLay at the NRA

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"When a man is in trouble or in a good fight, you want to have your friends around, preferably armed. So I feel really good."

Tom DeLay, KeynoteSpeaker, Annual Convention of the National Rifle Association, Houston, April 16, 2005.

[SIZE=5]Tom DeLay on Gun Control [/SIZE] Republican Representative (TX-22)

Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit liability lawsuits from being brought against gun manufacturers and dealers based on the criminal misuse of firearms. The bill would also block these actions from being brought up against gun trade organizations and against ammunition makers and sellers. The measure would apply immediately to any pending cases. Several specific exceptions to the ban exist. This includes civil suits would be allowed against a maker or dealer who "knowingly and willfully violated" state or federal laws in the selling or marketing of a weapon. Design and manufacturing defect lawsuits are also permitted when weapons are "used as intended. Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill HR 1036 ; vote number 2003-124 on Apr 9, 2003

Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours]. Reference: Bill introduced by McCollum, R-FL; Bill HR 2122 ; vote number 1999-244 on Jun 18, 1999

Rated A+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. DeLay scores A+ by NRA on pro-gun rights policies While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.

While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.

The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest).

[url]http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Tom_DeLay_Gun_Control.htm[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 00:52 | User Profile

House Democrat Engel: DeLay Trips OK Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel tells NewsMax that GOP House Majority Leader Tom DeLay did nothing wrong by taking several trips abroad and having the costs picked up by lobbyists, and even praised the top Republican - after he was confronted with NewsMax's report detailing his own congressional junkets.

"Personally, Tom DeLay and I get along," Engel told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter, before offering the GOP leader backhanded compliment:

"Tom DeLay is a tough guy. You know something, I wish we had some of that toughness on the Democratic side."

Asked about his own junkets, which - as NewsMax reported on Wednesday, included stays in first-class hotels in San Juan, Las Vegas, Wyoming, Florida, New Orleans, London and Jerusalem - Engel was unapologetic.

"These people that talk about congressional trips - it's really silly," he insisted. "They're really saying that people in Congress shouldn't take trips at all."

The Bronx Democrat said that unless members of Congress are allowed to have their travel expenses picked up either by the taxpayers or private groups, only wealthy members who can afford to travel will be able to go on fact finding missions.

"I don't think it's good to only have multimillionaires in the United States Congress" able to travel, he told WWRL. "Some of us come from working families and we can't pay for these trips ourselves."

Asked to explain why he took wife, son and daughter on some of his fact-finding missions, Engel explained: "I'm a good father"

[url]http://www.talkshowamerica.com/2005/04/house-democrat-engel-delay-trips-ok.html[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 01:04 | User Profile

[SIZE=6]Tom DeLay on Abortion [/SIZE]

Republican Representative (TX-22)

Block research funding for embryonic stem cells House Republican leaders urged prohibiting spending federal money on biomedical research that used embryonic stem cells - primordial cells that can reproduce themselves and can, in theory, be manipulated to create almost any cells in the human body. Three top House Republicans, Dick Armey, Tom DeLay, & J. C. Watts issued a joint statement saying: The federal government cannot morally look the other way with respect to the destruction of human embryos, then accept & pay for extracted stem cells for the purpose of medical research. It is not pro-life to rely on an industry of death, even if the intention is to find cures for diseases. We can find cures with life-affirming, not life-destroying, methods that are becoming more promising with each passing day. Republicans take a back seat to no one when it comes to promoting medical research. We will continue to properly fund crucial research, but it must advance the cause of life without sacrificing some lives to better others. Source: Robert Pear, NY Times, p. A1 Jul 3, 2001

Voted YES on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. Vote to pass a bill that would make it a criminal offense to harm or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. The measure would set criminal penalties, the same as those that would apply if harm or death happened to the pregnant woman, for those who harm a fetus. It is not required that the individual have prior knowledge of the pregnancy or intent to harm the fetus. This bill prohibits the death penalty from being imposed for such an offense. The bill states that its provisions should not be interpreted to apply a woman's actions with respect to her pregnancy. Reference: Unborn Victims of Violence Act; Bill HR 1997 ; vote number 2004-31 on Feb 26, 2004

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003: Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as "partial-birth" abortion. The procedure would be allowed only in cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger. Those who performed this procedure, would face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. Reference: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA; Bill S.3 ; vote number 2003-530 on Oct 2, 2003

Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. Vote to pass a bill that would forbid human cloning and punish violators with up to 10 years in prison and fines of at least $1 million. The bill would ban human cloning, and any attempts at human cloning, for both reproductive purposes and medical research. Also forbidden is the importing of cloned embryos or products made from them. Reference: Human Cloning Prohibition Act; Bill HR 534 ; vote number 2003-39 on Feb 27, 2003

Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. Abortion Non-Discrimination Act of 2002: Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit the federal, state and local governments that receive federal funding from discriminating against health care providers, health insurers, health maintenance organizations, and any other kind of health care facility, organization or plan, that decline to refer patients for, pay for or provide abortion services. In addition the bill would expand an existing law "conscience clause" that protects physician training programs that refuse to provide training for abortion procedures. Reference: Bill sponsored by Bilirakis, R-FL; Bill HR 4691 ; vote number 2002-412 on Sep 25, 2002

Voted YES on banning human cloning, including medical research. Vote to prohibit human cloning for either medical research or reproductive purposes. The bill would make it illegal to perform, attempt or participate in human cloning. It also would ban shipping or importing cloned embryos or products made from them. Bill HR 2505 ; vote number 2001-304 on Jul 31, 2001

Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. Vote to adopt an amendment that would remove language reversing President Bush's restrictions on funding to family planning groups that provide abortion services, counseling or advocacy. Reference: Amendment sponsored by Hyde, R-IL; Bill HR 1646 ; vote number 2001-115 on May 16, 2001

Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. Vote to pass a bill that would make it a federal crime to harm a fetus while committing any of 68 federal offenses or a crime under military law. Abortion doctors and women whose own actions harmed their fetuses would be exempt. Reference: Bill sponsored by Graham, R-SC; Bill HR 503 ; vote number 2001-89 on Apr 26, 2001

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. HR 3660 would ban doctors from performing the abortion procedure called "dilation and extraction" [also known as “partial-birth” abortion]. The measure would allow the procedure only if the life of the woman is at risk. Reference: Bill sponsored by Canady, R-FL; Bill HR 3660 ; vote number 2000-104 on Apr 5, 2000

Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. The Child Custody Protection Act makes it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion. Reference: Bill sponsored by Ros-Lehtinen, R-FL; Bill HR 1218 ; vote number 1999-261 on Jun 30, 1999

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record.

[url]http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Tom_DeLay_Abortion.htm[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 01:15 | User Profile

NEW YORK — House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (search) is hot under the collar about an episode of "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" (search) that he says "slurred" him.

The Texas Republican fired off a letter Thursday to NBC executives complaining about a comment made when two of the show's detectives were investigating a right-wing group's connection to the murder of an appellate judge.

In the season finale Wednesday, the detectives suspect an imprisoned white supremacist is behind the shootings of a judge's family, but their investigation widens when an appellate judge is later murdered.

"Looks like the same shooters. CSU found the slug in a post, matched it to the one that killed Judge Barton. Maybe we should put out an APB [all-points bulletin] for somebody in a Tom DeLay T-Shirt," Detective Eames (played by Kathryn Erbe) said in the episode entitled "False-Hearted Judges."

In his letter to NBC entertainment chief Jeff Zucker (search), DeLay wrote, "This manipulation of my name and trivialization of the sensitive issue of judicial security represents a reckless disregard for the suffering initiated by recent tragedies and a great disservice to public discourse."

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157850,00.html[/url]

Gabrielle

2005-09-30 01:21 | User Profile

Pop Singer Moby: Make My Kid 'Gay'-Musician Also Rips DeLay, Coulter, Hannity As 'Immoral' Right-Wingers April 24, 2005

[url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43960[/url]

Pop star Moby, known for his political statements as well as his music, says he'd do everything he could to make his future child homosexual should the singer ever have a family.

He's also blasting conservatives Tom DeLay, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Newt Gingrich as "amoral/immoral" right wingers.

In an interview with Planet Out, a publication geared toward homosexuals, the musician, who is not "gay," was lamenting so-called homophobia in society when he suggested his future child should be raised to be a homosexual.

"As a matter of fact, I was talking to my friend Laura, who sings on [my latest] record, and we're both getting to the point where we want to start families," Moby said. "We're convinced that if we have children, we're going to do everything in our power to make them gay. Like maybe drinking a lot of extra soy milk while she's pregnant, or anything that would work to make that happen. I'd just rather have a really sharp, interesting, smart gay son than some big dumb hetero meathead."

On Moby's website, he also said he wonders why Christians in general are so "worked up" about homosexuality.

"I ask this because Christ, at least in the New Testament that I have, never mentioned homosexuality, so we thus don't know what Christ might have thought about homosexuality. Why is the church so up in arms about an issue that Christ never seemed to have mentioned? And why does the church so routinely gloss over so many of the issues that Christ actually did talk about? It just makes no sense to me."

Moby, who once called President Bush a "big, fat f---ing liar" at a New York event hosted by the political organization MoveOn.org, is now taking on well-known conservatives in his online diary.

In his entry yesterday, Moby writes:

**"I hope that Tom DeLay sticks around for a long time.

"He's such a profound and continuing source of embarrassment for the right wing in America that his resignation or indictment would actually work to the detriment of the left wing in the states. **

"The progressive movement needs more crazy and amoral/immoral right-wing politicians and pundits like Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich and Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity.

"Seeing as the progressive movement [is], sadly, not so good at self-promotion, the progressives have to rely on crazy right-wingers like DeLay and Coulter to drive people away from the Republican Party and into the ranks of the Democrats."

Moby, whose real name is Richard Melville Hall, traces his ancestry back to Herman Melville, author of the classic whale epic "Moby Dick."

Okiereddust

2005-09-30 02:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]"You know, this is the sickest thing. They go over to Israel and they're not for the Bush road map to peace over there in the Middle East. Because they don't want Arabs in Jerusalem Ã¢â¬â because what they say is the Bible says that when Jesus comes back for the Second Coming, Jerusalem has to be just the way he left it."

The host of HBO's "Real Time" continued:

"It can't be full of Arabs, because there were no Arabs then. It has to be full of Jews. Because when the Second Coming takes place and we all go up to heaven, the Jews have a place in that little play Ã¢â¬â which of course is to die. The Jews have to die when Jesus comes back."

Then the TV talker adopted the voice of a mock movie director and announced, "Places, everybody. Where are my Jews? You have a place to play in this, and that's dying Ã¢â¬â or converting."

"It's so preposterous," he told Imus. "I mean, I always said it was like the link between Ã¢â¬â you know, they keep putting Sug Knight in jail because he associates with gang members."

The HBO host explained:

"Well, yes. He's a black guy from the hood who was in the rap industry. Of course he is going to know a few people with a criminal record. And Saddam Hussein is an Arab. Of course he's going to know a few terrorists socially."

Of course, liberals get away with this all the time (see Ted Kennedy) and I'm tired of it but we need to find better ways to respond. I don't have any answers ....

[url]http://www.brokenmasterpieces.com/archives/000211.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Naw, its an exaggeration or caricature, but not a complete misinterpretation of dispensationalism.

You're getting overworked again on behalf of your pubbie-boys Gabby.

Angler

2005-09-30 03:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]What did one of Bush's best boot-lickers do to make the Jews upset enough to strike him down with a lightning bolt from Mt Sinai? Was DeLay wavering on Iraq?[/QUOTE]LOL! Well put as usual, XMH.

I don't think Delay was wavering on Iraq -- at least I haven't heard anything about that. He's probably just being made to "take one for the team" -- i.e., he's being sacrificed because the Democrats were able to dig up enough dirt on him to make him a political liability.

We all know how the game works. Politicians, like the members of the Inner Party in Orwell's 1984, are interested in power for its own sake. It's mainly about ego gratification. And in the modern US, the only real separation of powers (or checks and balances) come from interparty bickering. Delay is being made a casualty of interparty rivalry (or has made himself one through his conduct).

As for Delay's legislative stance, he deserves some credit for his pro-Second Amendment stance. Apart from that, he's just another American politician who deserves to hang.

Angler

2005-09-30 03:42 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Pop Singer Moby: Make My Kid 'Gay'-Musician Also Rips DeLay, Coulter, Hannity As 'Immoral' Right-Wingers April 24, 2005

[url]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43960[/url]

Pop star Moby, known for his political statements as well as his music, says he'd do everything he could to make his future child homosexual should the singer ever have a family.

He's also blasting conservatives Tom DeLay, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Newt Gingrich as "amoral/immoral" right wingers.[/QUOTE] I don't see what's so unusual about one immoral person calling other immoral people "immoral." This Moby guy might be a scumbag, but that doesn't mean that he isn't correct when he bashes slime like Coulter and Hannity.

il ragno

2005-09-30 03:58 | User Profile

Society now elevates fools like Moby and scoundrels like DeLay to act as counterweights against each other. No wonder the scoundrels are winning.

[QUOTE]Moby said, "We're convinced that if we have children, we're going to do everything in our power to make them gay."[/QUOTE]

Like a strap-on pacifier?

Texas Dissident

2005-09-30 10:28 | User Profile

I think DeLay represents his constituency well and I agree with him on about 90% of the issues.

This could simply be the pound of flesh that the Dems require from Bush in order to get them to pipe down in their public criticisms of Bush and his agenda. Wouldn't be the first time Bush sacrificed members of his own party in order to appease Democrats and I'm sure he can still pull many strings down here in the Lone Star State.

I think DeLay will beat the rap, but the discrediting public stain is ultimately all that matters. If the GOP quit kow-towing to the practically impotent Democrats and attacked them with the same vitriol and vigor they attack them, the Democrats would soon go the way of the dinosaurs. Why they don't is the real mystery at hand. Maybe on a national level the facade of an actual two-party system is the higher purpose to be maintained at all cost.

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-30 12:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I think DeLay represents his constituency well and I agree with him on about 90% of the issues.

DeLay is a big boy, and he should have known to avoid doing business with jews, the jew mob, and the jew Abramoff. That's where DeLay, really got himself in trouble. The stuff down in Texas is minor bullshit.

On a more serious note, DeLay reads and responds to what I send him.:blush:

xmetalhead

2005-09-30 13:15 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]DeLay is no boot licker, you moron. :oh:[/QUOTE]

Shut up you piece of :dung:

You're really gettin' smelly, Gabby.

xmetalhead

2005-09-30 13:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]LOL! Well put as usual, XMH.

As for Delay's legislative stance, he deserves some credit for his pro-Second Amendment stance. Apart from that, he's just another American politician who deserves to hang.[/QUOTE]

Good post Angler.

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-09-30 21:13 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Shut up you piece of :dung:

You're really gettin' smelly, Gabby.[/QUOTE] ** Elliot Engle is a jew fruit. :yes:**

madrussian

2005-10-01 02:43 | User Profile

[url]http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:IFYXUms_V6MJ:www.exile.ru/2005-April-22/feature_story.html[/url]

Mr. DeLay Goes to Moscow Excerpts from the secret "DeLay Diaries" Mark Ames

By Mark Ames ( [email]editor@exile.ru[/email] )

Recently the Washington Post revealed that Republican Congressman Tom DeLay, the powerful Majority Leader from Texas, paid a visit to our beloved Moscow in 1997. Well, he didn't exactly "pay" a visit -- instead, it was paid for by a shady Russian firm called NaftaSib, who sponsored DeLay's 5-star trek by washing the cash through an American lobbying firm.

NaftaSib wanted what all companies want: to buy a politician's votes. And boy did their cash deliver! As the Post noted, following the trip DeLay broke with his fellow right-wing Republicans and voted with Democrats for legislation that NaftaSib considered in its interests. The trip is causing DeLay problems not just because the way it was funded violates House rules, but also because of who his Russian benefactors are.

NaftaSib, whose offices are located on Khrusheskii Pereulok near the Kropotkinskaya metro station, made news in the English press only once before. Last year, in a highly-touted effort to rescue Yukos, Menatep honcho Konstantin Kagalovsky made a public appeal to arrange $8 billion in financing to cover the oil company's back-tax debts in return for a controlling stake. This was known as a "friendly" if futile offer, from Menatep's point of view at least, and was designed more as a PR stunt to shame the Kremlin than anything. Yet practically the same day, NaftaSib also went public offering the exact same deal to the Kremlin -- $8 billion in return for a controlling stake in Yukos -- that sent shivers down the spines of Yukos management and its Menatep shareholders.

NaftaSib's line of business is as shady as it is menacing. It is involved in oil, refining, contracts, bizarre veksel buyback deals with regional governments, security (as in protection-security, not stock-security) and it once co-owned an oil production unit with Orenburgneftegaz. More importantly, NaftaSib is deeply tied into the MChS, the Emergency Situations Ministry, which is headed by Sergei Shoigu, a key architect of the pro-Putin Edinstvo Party and its Duma victory in 1999. The MChS was also the ministry in charge of "clean up" at the scene of the controversial apartment bombings in 1999 that helped propel Putin to power.

One NaftaSib-MChS joint venture company was officially involved in the Iraq oil-for-food program, and was later accused of having helped finance Saddam Hussein while he was in power. NaftaSib names as its biggest clients the Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Interior, and its top managers reportedly have strong silovik backgrounds.

NaftaSib, which claims to be a large shareholder in Gazprom, was also said to be "close" with former Prime Minister Victor "Mr. Gazprom" Chernomyrdin, who was accused of widespread corruption and possible involvement in the Bank of New York money laundering scandal, in which billions of dollars were stolen from IMF funds disbursed to Moscow. DeLay reportedly met with Chernomyrdin on his NaftaSib-financed trip. And DeLay supported the continued disbursement of aid money to Russia, thanks to this vacation.

While all of this spells S-C-A-N-D-A-L with a capital "SCANDAL" and lot of dashes in between the letters, it also spells something else dear to the hearts of eXile readers. "Par-Tay." That's right, we're talking a whoopin' good time here, folks. Why? Because Tom DeLay was in Moscow for SIX DAYS. That's 6 (SIX) DAYS. You do the math. Take America's most scandal-plagued politician from its most corrupt state, surround him with a posse of sleazy Washington lobbyists, and put him on an all-expenses trip to Sin City itself, to be escorted by -- well, it would be enough for just any old Russian to escort DeLay to make this trip wild, but make it the cream of the mega-scary/corrupt Russian elite, and folks, you have a recipe for a genuine debauch.

Sadly, the Post article leaves out most of the details of DeLay's six-day romp through Moscow. All we learn is that it cost a lot of money, that DeLay "dined at expensive establishments," and that he played some golf. Tchya, right. And we just go to Night Flight for the good food.

Our pack of investigative sleuths scoured Moscow for evidence of Rep. DeLay's infamous romp, and after sniffing through a lot of crumpled receipts, used condoms and sticky Bibles, we came across a goldmine: the actual diary notes that DeLay kept during his vacation. We won't tell you how we got them, but let's just say that the Russians never lost their art of gathering information.

Here, then, are excerpts from the transcribed diary notes of Tom DeLay's Moscow Vacation Day 1

Feeling great. Edwin and Jack [Abramoff] and me were welcomed right at the airport gate by the Naftits folks Marina and Alex. Alex is the president of the company and Marina is either his deputy or secretary. These folks are really good folks, even though they're Russian. Took us to our hotel in a Mercedes Benz. I ask Alex and Marina if they ever drive American pickup trucks. They said they didn't. I say it's really something you oughtta try, driving around in a pickup. They agree and say they will have to try it sometime. I gave em each a copy of the Bible. They were very grateful and said that they were deeply religious people. I asked Marina which her favorite book is. She said "all of them." Alex agreed.

...We check into our hotel at the Radisson. Everyone speaks English, which is good because it means I can yell at them and they'll understand. Went the whole car ride without yelling at anyone. Kinda painful, like holding in a piss after drinking a case of beer. Tried it out on the bellboy. Yelled at him why the TV wasn't already turned on to CNN. Told him I'd have him fired. He really apologized a lot. Good kid. I gave him a tip, a Hershey's bar, then called my aide Edwin and had the kid fired. Brought lots of Hershey's bars and sticks of gum with me to Moscow. These poor people, it pains me to think what 70 years of communism did to them.

...Studied my Russian phrasebook. Hard to remember the words. It's always good to say "thank you" in the local language. I learned it after trial and error. It's "sopeezda." Funny word.

...Jack [Abramoff], Edwin and me went into the hotel lobby and drink Coca-Colas. There were some shady characters in there. Jack struck up conversation with a man from Cheechnchong, apparently it's a resort somewhere. Never heard of Cheechnchong, but the man was Mexican looking. Hope he doesn't promote drug use. Jack said the man might want to talk business. He was very interested in promoting democracy and free markets, though I do not think he has been saved by our Lord. He didn't have a business card but he did leave a charitable contribution with Jack in a paper bag. Nice fellow. I'll have to see what those people in Cheechnchong need.

...Evening. Marina and Alex pick us up at the hotel and take us to very fancy restaurant, Maxim's. We talk about US-Russia relations and agree that it's a good thing we're friends now. Then in walks in this very heavy guy, he's the Prime Minister of Russia. His name is Victor Chairman or something like that. He likes to tell jokes. So do I. He tells me a joke about a CIA officer in the Soviet Union who gets caught cuz he's black. That's a good one! I tell him a joke about a farmer's daughter. He laughs. I ask him if he has accepted Jesus into his heart. Victor says he has, that he always was a devout Christian. He asks me how much my watch is worth. He gives me the Bulgari watch off his wrist as a gift. He doesn't know what it's worth, poor fellow, but I take it because it promotes friendship between peoples.

They tell me that without money from the IMF, OPIC and the World Bank, it will be difficult to spread democracy, freedom, and the word of Christ in Russia. I listen carefully. Then Mr. Chairman says another joke about black people. Funny joke, the punchline is something like "two negroes and then a barrel of cucumbers," but it's funnier in the original Russian.

Victor explains that there is a natural gas company called Gazbomb or something, and he says it's worth a trillion dollars. I feel sorry for him, that he has to lie like that. So I give Victor a Hershey's bar.

He asks me what I need. I tell him that what I need is to help the people of Russia by helping to spread free markets and the Word of Christ. "How much does that cost?" he asks me. I say that in America, we servants of the people do not take money for favors. I then lecture Victor, and he is very impressed. He says, "I did not know. You are so honest in America." Then Jack and he step away to talk about charities in America. Before he goes, I give Victor a stick of gum. He says thank you, and I say, "No, sapeezda." He looks at me shocked. I realize he's impressed by my Russian. He says, "So Peezda?" and he laughs knowingly. We bonded right there. "So peezda, haha!" He says, "No money, you want a speezda! Haha." I say, "That's right. Thank you Victor, and sopeezda to you and everyone."

For some reason we're quickly cleared from the restaurant. We go not far away to a Swedish nightclub for cocktails. It's called "Night Flight." Lots of very pretty women inside. I think they know who I am because they all keep looking at me. Several girls try talking to Jack and me. Jack is very religious, but he decides to take off his yarmulke because he says it's considered a rude custom.

Victor introduces me to a woman named Natasha. She says she's a student and would like to get to know me. I offer her a Hershey's bar. She laughs and takes it. An hour later, Victor, Jack, Edwin and I are joined by Victor and about a dozen guides whom he hires from Night Flight to guide us around Moscow. Our first excursion is a trip to what they call a "barnya." We all have to go in, strip down naked, and sit in a big sauna area. It is an excellent place to discuss business and Jesus. I ask Victor what is his favorite book in the Bible, and he said he likes all of them. Russians are so religious! Then a problem arises because the guides come into the barnya with us wearing only towels.

...Natasha sits next to me. I ask her if she believes in free markets, and she does. She loves capitalism and wants to see America some day. I tell her that in Houston we have many large churches and all the toilet paper in the world. She is so impressed! I ask her if she plays golf. She doesn't, but is very interested. So I tell her a few golf stories, which she finds fascinating.

Victor kept wanting me to drink vodka with him. Jack took me aside and said, "Tom, you must respect local customs. These people are ready to help us fight against liberal extremists in our own country. The least you can do is drink some vodka with him."

I am so ashamed to admit that I did imbibulate. That is all I will write for now. Day 2

I wake up with an awful hangover. The Lord is punishing me. For some reason my guide is already in my hotel room. She's wearing a bathrobe and just getting out of the shower.

...I get on my knees and pray. I force the temptress to pray with me. Then once we're done I cast her out of my hotel room. Call the security too, and make sure that this devil is caste into a fiery lake of Hell. They say that there is no fire to throw her into, and suggest a river nearby. I say, "Behold, I have heard the Lord's voice! Of course, take her to the river and wash away her sins!"

They ask me, "You want so she will never be found?"

"Of course, take the sins away forever!" I yell.

It is a triumphant moment because God has given me my strength back!

Jack, Edwin and I are escorted by Marina and Alex to a golf course. They tell me it is an expensive golf course and the only one in Russia. I give each Marina and Alex a Hershey's bar and two sticks of gum. ...[Three hours later] we meet Alex and Marina in the clubhouse. They tell me more about the difficulties to spread free markets, and explain that they want to arrange World Bank financing for an oil products contract. Now this is the kind of talk I like! I tell them "sapeezda" for being so patient, and they act embarrassed. But for some reason they stop talking business and say they can take us to a barnya.

"Oh no, not again," I say. But Jack insists we do it. He says, "Tom, we're really close to lining up charity contributions which will benefit the decent hardworking Americans in your district." The Lord's work is not easy.

We go to a barnya about thirty minutes away. They bring in twenty young guides, all of them young girls with towels. They are so poor that they cannot afford to give their guides anything more than towels. I talk to two guides, Natasha and Nada or something like that. I give them each a Hershey's bar and a roll of toilet paper.

I take one drink and ask the Lord to keep me strong. He tells me that He will protect me, so I imbobulate more of the vodka. I must walk through the fire in order to defeat my inner demons. Gave out two more Hershey's bars. Then I walked through the fire. Day 3

Woke up late afternoon in dacha complex hotel room. Feeling very depressed. I know I have done wrong, Lord. Please forgive me. Please forgive me!

...Went out for golf with Jack, but my game was off. Lord punished me on the fifth hole, when I shanked a chip wide right of the green.

Jack tells me about all the meetings lined up that night. I don't care. "Jack, I have sinned," I said. He tells me that my sins will be washed away soon.

Already nighttime. Marina and Alex introduce us to someone named Chewbakus. Tall guy with red hair who speaks excellent English. I like this man. He wants to talk about IMF credits with me. All I can think about are my sins. We are joined at the table by several other Russian businessman. Some guy named Beerzski, short little Jew who hits it off well with Jack. I feel sorry for this Beerzski because his English isn't so perfect, and offer him two sticks of gum. ... I need a guide, many guides. How to tell them? Then I remember the magic word: "Sopeezda." I say it twice. "Sopeezda! Sopeezda!" It's like that cartoon my kids used to watch where the turtle says "Help, Mr. Wizard!" Beerszki understands me right away. He takes me to a private club called "Dolls." They let in Americans free with their passports. I can see this club is a beacon of democratic values. Day 4

I don't wake up until nightfall. We have a fine dinner at a restaurant called "Mario's." Local embassy rep joins us. I'm at the table with IMF reps, World Bank rep, someone from Exxon, says he knows me from Houston. ...

We leave Mario's and head to an American-style bar in the center of town. It's called the "Hungry Duck." I like that name. The club is full of promising pro-American youths who are resisting old Communist ways. Several freedom-loving young Russian girls are dancing on the bar top. The IMF rep and World Bank rep hoist me up. Turns out these girls are guides. O sweet Jesus! They strip their tops off and strip my top off. Great music, song called "Alice" which I love. Just as they're undoing their short skirts, IMF rep says to me, "You know Tom, Russia really needs to keep the aid money flowing. Otherwise democracy and Christian values are in danger."

I tell him to get the * away from my guides or I'll strangle him with his own shoelaces. "And I won't make it a slow death either, you sleazy *ing prick," I tell him.

Vodka, whiskey, liquor...One guide falls off the bar top and cuts her lip. We go into a booth near the back, where awful things happened. Left club at 7am. Day 5

I wake up around midnight. I don't want to move from my bed. Order a burger and fries from room service. Yell at the room service kid. Then I feel awful, give him a Hershey's bar.

"Sopeezda," I say to him. He blushes. "Sopeezda!" I say. He blushes and runs out. I follow after him. Bastard is stonewalling me. I head down to the lobby bar. "Sopeezda! Sopeezda!" The guards comfort me. I scream "Sopeezda!" and create a scene. They tell me they understand, and lead me up to my room. About thirty minutes later, after praying, there's a knock on my door. Two guides are there waiting for me. They enter my room, and we discuss golf and charitable contributions. Day 6

... time to leave Moscow. I think they are lying. So much work to be done here. Need to expand free markets, need to secure democracy!

I will not record the events on how I was rustled into the aircraft. Let's just say that I put up a good fight and that there are a few Russian folks with very sore balls.

Back to D.C. There are no guides in D.C. Only what we Americans call "women."

On the ride to the airport, Marina and Alexander ask me if I have learned enough on this fact-finding tour to see to it to vote properly on the issue of aid disbursement to Russia. I say, "Sapeezda." But I say it with a heavy heart. Little did I know that even on the road to the main airport, you can find guides. They are standing like angels on the side of the road. Alex gives Jack some money, and Jack gives the girls the money, and then the girls join us at the Novotel Hotel next to the airport. They do not speak English, but they do like my Hershey's bars... I'm going to sleep now for awhile. Put my diary on the hotel desk and sleep..

Gabrielle

2005-10-01 11:24 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Shut up you piece of :dung:

You're really gettin' smelly, Gabby.[/QUOTE]

LOL! Go kill yourself, you silly duck. :thumbsup:

Sertorius

2005-10-01 15:12 | User Profile

DeLay wouldn't be a too bad a congressman, all things considered, if it wasn't for two things. (1) Jewfawner, (2) crooked as a snake, the "born again" crap aside.

Gabrielle

2005-10-04 10:29 | User Profile

AUSTIN, Texas - Rep. Tom DeLay was indicted for a second time in less than a week by a Texas grand jury looking into campaign contributions, a development the former U.S. House majority leader called "an abomination of justice."

The latest indictment, for one count of conspiring to launder money and one count of money laundering, was brought hours after DeLay's lawyers attacked on technical grounds another indictment handed down last week.

District Attorney Ronnie Earle did not return repeated phone calls from The Associated Press, but legal experts say the new charges from the Democratic prosecutor were likely filed to head off a potential problem with the previous charge.

Defense lawyers asked a judge Monday to throw out the first indictment, arguing that the charge of conspiring to violate campaign finance laws was based on a statute that didn't take effect until 2003 — a year after the acts in question.

It was unclear when Delay would appear in court to face the new charges.

Bruce Buchanan, a University of Texas political science professor, said the new indictment offers an opening for DeLay's defense team. "It's an opportunity to claim these guys don't have a case, and it allows the defense to allege that it's purely political," he said.

DeLay, 58, is the highest-ranking member of Congress to face criminal prosecution. The initial charge, conspiracy to violate the election code, forced DeLay to step down from his GOP leadership post last week.

If convicted, the money laundering charge carries a penalty of up to life in prison. The charge of conspiracy to launder money is punishable by up to 20 years in prison. The initial conspiracy charge carries a punishment of up to two years.

"Ronnie Earle has stooped to a new low with his brand of prosecutorial abuse," DeLay said in a statement. "He is trying to pull the legal equivalent of a 'do-over' since he knows very well that the charges he brought against me last week are totally manufactured and illegitimate. This is an abomination of justice."

DeLay and two political associates are accused of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling money through the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee.

All of the charges stem from an alleged check for $190,000 in corporate money sent from the political committee to the Republican National Committee and the Republican National State Elections Committee. The national party then sent a similar amount of money to seven candidates for the Texas House of Representatives in 2002.

Prosecutors argued that was a violation of the state's ban on the use of corporate money in local election campaigns. DeLay attorney Dick DeGuerin maintained that the money spent on Texas candidates was "lawfully collected from individuals who knew what they were contributing to."

The indictment alleges that DeLay knowingly facilitated the transfer of the corporate money to help the GOP win a majority in the Texas Legislature. Subsequently, Texas lawmakers adopted a DeLay-engineered congressional redistricting plan to put more Texas Republicans in Congress, strengthening the GOP grip on Congress as well.

Two of DeLay's associates, John Colyandro of Austin and Jim Ellis of Washington, were previously indicted on charges of conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and money laundering.

"The judicial incompetence and political hatred that Ronnie Earle showed today demonstrates that Texans did not elect their best and brightest to the position of Travis County DA," DeLay spokesman Stuart Roy said. "Ronnie Earle may truly be the Elmer Fudd of politics."

The judge who will preside in DeLay's case is out of the country on vacation and couldn't rule on the defense motion. Other state district judges declined to rule on the motion in his place.

George Dix, a professor at the University of Texas law school, said the new indictment appears to have been filed to avoid the glitch with the previous indictment that defense attorneys had claimed.

Two other members of Congress have been indicted since 1996.

**Former Republican Rep. William Janklow (news, bio, voting record), of South Dakota, was convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to 100 days in prison after his car struck and killed a motorcyclist in 2003. Former Democratic Rep. James Traficant, of Ohio, was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted on charges from a 2001 indictment accusing him of racketeering and accepting bribes. **

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051004/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment[/url]

**Kill someone = 100 days!

"Convicted" of racketeering and accepting bribes = eight years!**

YertleTurtle

2005-10-04 11:56 | User Profile

This is truly hate speech and a gross misinterpretation of Christianity and the view of eschatology of many American evangelicals.

It's not a misinterpretation of those crackpot "Left Behind" wackos who think they can kickstart Armegeddon by supporting Israel no matter what it does. They really think it's the End Times, so cheering mass murder, theft and war will bring Jesus back.

Sertorius

2005-10-04 15:11 | User Profile

One aspect of this that hasn't been commented on is the attempt by the "leadership" of the Stupid Party to originally wanted David Dreier to assume DeLay's position. It appears that the more "conservative" members raised hell about that and the idea was dropped.

In a way I wished they had done that for it would have shown the utter bankruptcy in more ways than one of the Republicans. Dreier truly puts a face (arbeit of that of a frontman) of the Judeo-plutocracy.

Gabrielle

2005-10-04 23:19 | User Profile

. Tom DeLay, the Movie

The Old Media have put on their bias blinders and are ignoring a series of stories that relate to the recent indictment of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.

Especially striking is the way the media are overlooking the fact that prosecutor Ronnie Earle has, for the last two years, invited a film crew to tag along with him and shoot footage of the criminal investigation and ultimate indictment of DeLay.

Mark Birnbaum, a self-described producer, director, writer, cameraman and editor, has been wearing the Michael Moore cap. Astoundingly, the Peabody Award winner's Web site says that the "new documentary work-in-progress was screened as the closing feature at this year's Dallas Video Festival."

The DeLay piece even has a title. It's called "The Big Buy" and is described as "Raymond Chandler meets Willie Nelson on the corner of Wall Street and Pennsylvania Avenue."

The film's plot, according to Birnbaum, involves "maverick Austin D.A. Ronnie Earle's investigation into what really happened when corporate money joined forces with relentless political ambitions to help swing the pivotal 2002 Texas elections, cementing Republican control from Austin to Washington D.C."

Birnbaum told National Review Online, "We approached him [Earle], and he offered us extraordinary access to him and, to an extent, his staff."

The Left Coast Report wonders what the press would have done if Ken Starr would have allowed a film crew to follow him around as he investigated the 42nd president of the United States and kind of wishes he had. "Bubba's Excellent Adventure" would have made one heck of an exposÃÂ©.

NewsMax.com

Faust

2005-10-05 03:01 | User Profile

Sertorius,

I think DeLay is guilty, but it is a hard thing to prove.

Very ture. The GOP is so bankruptcy even the mainstream media is talking about it. [QUOTE=Sertorius]One aspect of this that hasn't been commented on is the attempt by the "leadership" of the Stupid Party to originally wanted David Dreier to assume DeLay's position. It appears that the more "conservative" members raised hell about that and the idea was dropped.

Sertorius

2005-10-05 03:52 | User Profile

Faust,

Yep. There is something about being "born again" and being involved in politics that reminds me of trying to mix 30wt. oil and water together.

H.A.L.2006

2005-10-05 15:23 | User Profile

I also believe that some very suspicious circumstances are present here, but nothing warrants prosecutorial tactics such as these:

[url]http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/stories/10/5earle.html[/url]

"Working on its last day Friday, the second grand jury refused to indict DeLay. Normally, a "no-bill" document is available at the courthouse after such a decision. No such document was released Tuesday."

...

"Earle's statement on Tuesday said he took money-laundering and conspiracy charges to a third grand jury on Monday after prosecutors learned of new evidence over the weekend.

Lawyers for DeLay immediately called foul after Earle released his statement after 5 p.m. Tuesday.

'What could have happened over the weekend?' said Austin lawyer Bill White, who represents DeLay. 'They investigate for three years and suddenly they have new evidence? That's beyond the pale!'"

...

"DeGuerin said he assumes Earle persuaded the third grand jury to act by telling them about the telephone poll of the grand jurors who had spent six months on the case."

Sertorius

2005-10-05 16:04 | User Profile

Hal,

That's also true. If Earle has overstepped his bounds, then prosecute him as well. At this point I am sick of corruption no matter which of these worthless parties engage in it.

Gabrielle

2005-10-07 11:20 | User Profile

[QUOTE=H.A.L.2006]I also believe that some very suspicious circumstances are present here, but nothing warrants prosecutorial tactics such as these:

[url]http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/stories/10/5earle.html[/url]

...

"Earle's statement on Tuesday said he took money-laundering and conspiracy charges to a third grand jury on Monday after prosecutors learned of new evidence over the weekend.

Lawyers for DeLay immediately called foul after Earle released his statement after 5 p.m. Tuesday.

'What could have happened over the weekend?' said Austin lawyer Bill White, who represents DeLay. 'They investigate for three years and suddenly they have new evidence? That's beyond the pale!'"

...

"DeGuerin said he assumes Earle persuaded the third grand jury to act by telling them about the telephone poll of the grand jurors who had spent six months on the case."[/QUOTE]

DeLay blasts indictment, prosecutor Texan steps aside as majority leader, blames partisan retribution

Thursday, September 29, 2005; Posted: 8:29 a.m. EDT (12:29 GMT)

Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Tom DeLay went on the attack after his indictment on a conspiracy charge, blasting a Texas prosecutor and rejecting the allegation that forced him to give up the House leadership as "blatant political partisanship."

A Texas grand jury charged DeLay Wednesday with conspiring to illegally funnel corporate cash to state Republicans in 2002, and party rules forced DeLay to abandon his leadership post.

**DeLay told reporters he was the victim of a partisan vendetta by the Democratic district attorney in Austin, Ronnie Earle.

"My defense in this case will not be technical or legalistic. It will be categorical and absolute," he said. "I am innocent. Mr. Earle and his staff know it, and I will prove it." **(Watch Rep. DeLay's comments -- 4:23)

House Republicans met Wednesday to choose a new leader for their conference, naming Majority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri their temporary leader.

Deputy Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia and Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier of California will also share in the duties. (Full story)

DeLay's lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, said the congressman "has nothing to hide" and wants a trial "before the end of the year."

"There's no crime that's been committed," DeGuerin said. "I am confident that, when we get to trial, we'll show that Tom DeLay did nothing wrong."

Reaction in Washington to DeLay's indictment broke down along party lines.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean took the opportunity to draw attention to other GOP controversies.

"With House Republican leader Tom DeLay under criminal indictment, Senate Republican leader [Bill] Frist facing SEC and Department of Justice investigations and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove under investigation, the Republican leadership in Washington is now spending more time answering questions about ethical misconduct than doing the people's business," Dean said in a statement.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, described congressional Republicans as "plagued by a culture of corruption."

But Republicans offered support for DeLay.

New York Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said prosecutor Earle "has been incapable of separating his personal politics from his professional responsibilities."

"Democrats resent Tom DeLay because he routinely defeats them -- both politically and legislatively," he said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan lauded DeLay as a "good ally" of President Bush and said of the indictment: "The president's view is that we need to let the legal process work."

Earle denied any partisan motivation, telling reporters in Austin that 12 of the 15 public corruption cases he has prosecuted involved Democrats. (Watch: DeLay faces conspiracy charge -- 3:38)

Earle's record on high-profile corruption cases is mixed.

A 1994 case against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, a Republican, was tossed out of court on the first day of trial, and Democratic Attorney General Jim Mattox was acquitted in 1985.

But House Speaker Gib Lewis, a Democrat, pleaded no contest to ethics charges in 1992, and several cases against lower-profile officials have resulted in convictions, Earle said.

Nicknamed "The Hammer" during his tenure as GOP whip, DeLay has been the Republican leader in the House of Representatives since 2002. He has represented a suburban Houston district in the House since 1985. (Chronology)

The grand jury in Austin charged DeLay, 58, and two associates who already faced criminal charges with a single count of criminal conspiracy, alleging they improperly steered corporate donations to Republican candidates for the Texas legislature in 2002. (Read the indictment)

The 2002 races led to GOP control of the state legislature and a controversial mid-census redistricting effort that bolstered Republican control of Congress.

DeLay called Earle "a partisan fanatic" bent on punishing him for that success.

If convicted, DeLay could face up to two years in prison and fines up to $10,000.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/28/delay/index.html[/url]

Sertorius

2005-10-07 14:45 | User Profile

[QUOTE]White House spokesman Scott McClellan lauded DeLay as a "good ally" of President Bush and said of the indictment: "The president's view is that we need to let the legal process work."[/QUOTE] Yep, he is a "good ally". Think CAFTA and extended vote that DeLay engineered.

Gabrielle

2005-10-28 23:15 | User Profile

"What we're fighting is so much larger than a single court case or a single district attorney in Travis County;" the Texas Republican wrote. " We are witnessing the criminalization of conservative politics."

Sertorius

2005-10-28 23:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE]" We are witnessing the criminalization of ~~conservative~~ politics."[/QUOTE] This variation recently became a Stupid Party talking point for Neocongrate.

Angeleyes

2005-10-29 16:01 | User Profile

[quote=Gabrielle]"What we're fighting is so much larger than a single court case or a single district attorney in Travis County;" the Texas Republican wrote. " We are witnessing the criminalization of conservative politics."

Sounds like the sort of wheeze Nixon supporters would have vomited forth in early 1974 . . .

Gabrielle

2005-10-30 11:40 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Sounds like the sort of wheeze Nixon supporters would have vomited forth in early 1974 . . .

AE[/QUOTE]

Nixon was a pretty good president. Bloody hell! You guys are always on the wrong side. :shocking:

Angler

2005-10-30 14:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Nixon was a pretty good president. Bloody hell! You guys are always on the wrong side. :shocking:[/QUOTE]Nixon was a liar and a criminal, just as most high-level politicians are.

It amazes me that it's a crime for a US citizen to lie to federal investigators, but it's not a crime for a politician to lie to the American people. That's because people are too stupid and apathetic to demand that politicians who lie to them be punished. Any time a politician is caught lying to the public, he should be removed from office and given a prison sentence, just as if he'd been convicted of perjury. Then a new election should take place.

BTW: There are more than just two "sides," Gabrielle.

Sertorius

2005-10-30 16:51 | User Profile

Angler,

Doesn't this Stupid Party talking point remind you of Carville and the other Clinton defenders? [QUOTE]"We are witnessing the criminalization of conservative politics."[/QUOTE] "It's all about sex!" --James Carville

Sertorius

2005-10-30 18:40 | User Profile

latimes.com advertisement [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-wilson29oct29,0,940864.story?track=mostemailedlink[/url] Our 27 months of hell By Joseph C. Wilson IV JOSEPH C. WILSON IV was acting ambassador in Baghdad when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. He is the author of "The Politics of Truth" (Carroll & Graff, 2004). He was a diplomat for 23 years.

October 29, 2005

AFTER THE two-year smear campaign orchestrated by senior officials in the Bush White House against my wife and me, it is tempting to feel vindicated by Friday's indictment of the vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Between us, Valerie and I have served the United States for nearly 43 years. I was President George H.W. Bush's acting ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the Persian Gulf War, and I served as ambassador to two African nations for him and President Clinton. Valerie worked undercover for the CIA in several overseas assignments and in areas related to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

But on July 14, 2003, our lives were irrevocably changed. That was the day columnist Robert Novak identified Valerie as an operative, divulging a secret that had been known only to me, her parents and her brother.

Valerie told me later that it was like being hit in the stomach. Twenty years of service had gone down the drain. She immediately started jotting down a checklist of things she needed to do to limit the damage to people she knew and to projects she was working on. She wondered how her friends would feel when they learned that what they thought they knew about her was a lie.

It was payback Ã¢â¬â cheap political payback by the administration for an article I had written contradicting an assertion President Bush made in his 2003 State of the Union address. Payback not just to punish me but to intimidate other critics as well.

Why did I write the article? Because I believe that citizens in a democracy are responsible for what government does and says in their name. I knew that the statement in Bush's speech Ã¢â¬â that Iraq had attempted to purchase significant quantities of uranium in Africa Ã¢â¬â was not true. I knew it was false from my own investigative trip to Africa (at the request of the CIA) and from two other similar intelligence reports. And I knew that the White House knew it.

Going public was what was required to make them come clean. The day after I shared my conclusions in a New York Times opinion piece, the White House finally acknowledged that the now-infamous 16 words "did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address."

That should have been the end. But instead, the president's men Ã¢â¬â allegedly including Libby and at least one other (known only as "Official A") Ã¢â¬â were determined to defame and discredit Valerie and me.

They used eager allies in Congress and the conservative media, beginning with Novak. Perhaps the most egregious of the attacks was New York GOP Rep. Peter King's odious suggestion that Valerie "got what she deserved."

Valerie was an innocent in this whole affair. Although there were suggestions that she was behind the decision to send me to Niger, the CIA told Newsday just a week after the Novak article appeared that "she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment." The CIA repeated the same statement to every reporter thereafter.

The grand jury has now concluded that at least one of the president's men committed crimes. We are heartened that our system of justice is working and appreciative of the work done by our fellow citizens who devoted two years of their lives to grand jury duty.

The attacks on Valerie and me were upsetting, disruptive and vicious. They amounted to character assassination. Senior administration officials used the power of the White House to make our lives hell for the last 27 months.

But more important, they did it as part of a clear effort to cover up the lies and disinformation used to justify the invasion of Iraq. That is the ultimate crime.

The war in Iraq has claimed more than 17,000 dead and wounded American soldiers, many times more Iraqi casualties and close to $200 billion.

It has left our international reputation in tatters and our military broken. It has weakened the United States, increased hatred of us and made terrorist attacks against our interests more likely in the future.

It has been, as Gen. William Odom suggested, the greatest strategic blunder in the history of our country.

We anticipate no mea culpa from the president for what his senior aides have done to us. But he owes the nation both an explanation and an apology.

Sertorius

2005-10-30 19:17 | User Profile

Who's on First? By Maureen Dowd The New York Times

Saturday 29 October 2005

It was bracing to see the son of a New York doorman open the door on the mendacious Washington lair of the Lord of the Underground.

But this Irish priest of the law, Patrick Fitzgerald, neither Democrat nor Republican, was very strict, very precise. He wasn't totally gratifying in clearing up the murkiness of the case, yet strangely comforting in his quaint black-and-white notions of truth and honor (except when his wacky baseball metaphor seemed to veer toward a "Who's on first?" tangle).

"This indictment's not about the propriety of the war," he told reporters yesterday in his big Eliot Ness moment at the Justice Department. The indictment was simply about whether the son of an investment banker perjured himself before a grand jury and the F.B.I.

Scooter does seem like a big fat liar in the indictment. And not a clever one, since his deception hinged on, of all people, the popular monsignor of the trusted Sunday Church of Russert. Does Scooter hope to persuade a jury to believe him instead of Little Russ?

Good luck.

There is something grotesque about Scooter's hiding behind the press with his little conspiracy, given that he's part of an administration that despises the press and tried to make its work almost impossible.

Mr. Fitzgerald claims that Mr. Libby hurt national security by revealing the classified name of a CIA officer. "Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life," he said.

He was not buying the arguments on the right that Mrs. Wilson was not really undercover or was under "light" cover, or that blowing her cover did not hurt the CIA

"I can say that for the people who work at the CIA and work at other places, they have to expect that when they do their jobs that classified information will be protected," he said, adding: "They run a risk when they work for the CIA that something bad could happen to them, but they have to make sure that they don't run the risk that something bad is going to happen to them from something done by their own fellow government employees."

To protect a war spun from fantasy, the Bush team played dirty. Unfortunately for them, this time they Swift-boated an American whose job gave her legal protection from the business-as-usual smear campaign.

The back story of this indictment is about the ongoing Tong wars of the CIA, the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon: the fight over who lied us into war. The CIA, after all, is the agency that asked for a special prosecutor to be appointed to investigate how one of its own was outed by the White House.

The question Mr. Fitzgerald repeatedly declined to answer yesterday - Dick Cheney's poker face has finally met its match - was whether this stops at Scooter.

No one expects him to "flip," unless he finally gets the sort of fancy white-collar criminal lawyer that The Washington Post said he is searching for - like the ones who succeeded in getting Karl Rove off the hook, at least for now - and the lawyer tells Scooter to nail his boss to save himself.

But what we really want to know, now that we have the bare bones of who said what to whom in the indictment, is what they were all thinking there in that bunker and how that hothouse bred the idea that the way out of their Iraq problems was to slime their critics instead of addressing the criticism. What we really want to know, if Scooter testifies in the trial, and especially if he doesn't, is what Vice did to create the spidery atmosphere that led Scooter, who seemed like an interesting and decent guy, to let his zeal get the better of him.

Mr. Cheney, eager to be rid of the meddlesome Joe Wilson, got Valerie Wilson's name from the CIA and passed it on to Scooter. He forced the CIA to compromise one of its own, a sacrifice on the altar of faith-based intelligence.

Vice spent so much time lurking over at the CIA, trying to intimidate the analysts at Langley into twisting the intelligence about weapons, that he should have had one of his undisclosed locations there.

This administration's grand schemes always end up as the opposite. Officials say they're promoting national security when they're hurting it; they say they're squelching terrorists when they're breeding them; they say they're bringing stability to Iraq when the country's imploding. (The U.S. announced five more military deaths yesterday.)

And the most dangerous opposite of all: W. was listening to a surrogate father he shouldn't have been listening to, and not listening to his real father, who deserved to be listened to.

Maureen welds a wicked pen.

Angler

2005-10-30 22:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Doesn't this Stupid Party talking point remind you of Carville and the other Clinton defenders?[/QUOTE]Most definitely. Both major parties use exactly the same tactics in their media warfare. Of course the automatic response to a criminal investigation or indictment of any high-level politician is for his party's spinmeisters to claim that "it's all politically-motivated."

Great essays, BTW. That one by Wilson is particularly devastating, and I hope it's printed in several major papers. I doubt it will be seen by those who need to see it most, though -- the idiots at places like FreeRepublic.

A lot of people don't understand just how serious the outing of a covert CIA agent can be. Some CIA agents are mere tools of ZOG, and some are even despicable thugs and torturers, but others do important (and dangerous) work that plays a central role in maintaining national security. Since Plame was an undercover agent, she was probably one of the latter as her husband suggests, gathering foreign weapons intelligence at her own risk. But now her career been cut short, and foreign nationals who interacted with Plame -- aiding her work overseas -- could easily have been imprisoned or killed when her identity was revealed. Not only is that heinous from a moral point of view, it also constitutes sabotage of US intelligence-gathering efforts. No one who reveals the identity of a covert CIA operative like Plame can possibly care about US national security. So the fact that members of the Bush administration were involved in this scheme is just more clear evidence that they are not interested in keeping the US safe -- they only wanted their war, and at any cost.

It's truly intolerable that such people have infiltrated the US government. When are Americans going to wake up? Man, I hope to hell that this Libby indictment opens up a barrel of snakes.

Sertorius

2005-10-30 22:49 | User Profile

Angler,

The only difference that I see between Gabrielle and a female Clinton defender is that a) she's a member of good standing of the Stupid Party and b) probably doesn't own a set of presidential kneepads.

I liked those essays as well. Dowd really dipped her pen in acid with that one. She might be a Liberal, but I generally get a chuckle out of her. One of the things some folks speculated on was the possibility of Fitz bringing a charge of violating the civil rights of Wilson. Wilson will probably win a hell of a lot of money in a civil court against all the jerks that lied and smeared him. Good, I hope he puts some of them out of business. I didn't like it when Ken Starr was smeared and I don't like it here either. \\\\\\\\\\\\

It gets even worse from the national security point of view. Not only did they burn Mrs. Plame, but everyone involved in that CIA front company was burned as well along with all those they had contact with. You're right. This crap about "national security" and "supporting the troops" that these Neocons are always hollering about is a load of horse manure. They couldn't care less as long as the US is doing Israel's dirty work.

Speaking of dirty work Bill [u]O'Really[/u] said on his show not once, but twice that poor little Scooter's life was going to be ruined by for one thing, the financial costs of defending his worthless ass. I suppose that by O'Reilly standards that [url=http://www.antiwar.com/photos/wounded.jpg]this soldier[/url] was just having a bad day.

Gabrielle

2005-10-31 13:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Angler,

[/QUOTE]

Does jerk mean anything to you, Sertorius? :biggrin:

Sertorius

2005-10-31 14:06 | User Profile

Gabrielle,

:biggrin: I figured you'd get a kick out of that. :biggrin:

Gabrielle

2005-10-31 15:10 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Gabrielle,

:biggrin: I figured you'd get a kick out of that. :biggrin:[/QUOTE]

Not really... :dry:

Sertorius

2005-10-31 15:15 | User Profile

Gabrielle,

Now, don't get mad, I'm only kidding you.