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Rumors of Deaths Greatly Exaggerated

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Quantrill [OP]

2005-09-28 11:43 | User Profile

Get ready for the new meme, folks. We've already been informed that all that looting captured on video didn't actually happen. Now we have it on good authority that the murders, rapes, etc nevered occurred either, and that all the eyewitnesses were just mistaken. * Everybody wins from this. The Bushies and local authorities can use this to put their FEMA response in a better light, and all the anti-racists can begin crying about the poor blacks and the evil whites who were ready to believe the worst about them.*

[size=3][url="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_26.html#082732"]Rumors of Deaths Greatly Exaggerated[/url][/size] [size=3][/size]

[size=2][left]Brian Thevenot and Gordon Russell, New Orleans Times-Picayune, Sept. 26 [/left] [/size] [size=3]After five days managing near-riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron prepared to hand over the dead to representatives of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.[/size]

[size=3]Following days of internationally reported killings, rapes and gang violence inside the Dome, the doctor from FEMA—Beron doesn’t remember his name—came prepared for a grisly scene: He brought a refrigerated 18-wheeler and three doctors to process bodies.[/size]

[size=3]“I’ve got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome,” Beron recalls the doctor saying.[/size]

[size=3]The real total was six, Beron said.[/size]

[size=3]Of those, four died of natural causes, one overdosed and another jumped to his death in an apparent suicide, said Beron, who personally oversaw the turning over of bodies from a Dome freezer, where they lay atop melting bags of ice. State health department officials in charge of body recovery put the official death count at the Dome at 10, but Beron said the other four bodies were found in the street near the Dome, not inside it. Both sources said no one had been killed inside.[/size]

[size=3]At the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, just four bodies were recovered, despites reports of corpses piled inside the building. Only one of the dead appeared to have been slain, said health and law enforcement officials.[/size]

[size=3]That the nation’s front-line emergency management believed the body count would resemble that of a bloody battle in a war is but one of scores of examples of myths about the Dome and the Convention Center treated as fact by evacuees, the media and even some of New Orleans’ top officials, including the mayor and police superintendent. As the fog of warlike conditions in Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath has cleared, the vast majority of reported atrocities committed by evacuees have turned out to be false, or at least unsupported by any evidence, according to key military, law enforcement, medical and civilian officials in positions to know.[/size]

[size=3]“I think 99 percent of it is bulls—,” said Sgt. 1st Class Jason Lachney, who played a key role in security and humanitarian work inside the Dome. “Don’t get me wrong, bad things happened, but I didn’t see any killing and raping and cutting of throats or anything… . Ninety-nine percent of the people in the Dome were very well-behaved.” [/size]

[size=3]Dr. Louis Cataldie, the state Health and Human Services Department administrator overseeing the body recovery operation, said his teams were inundated with false reports about the Dome and Convention Center.[/size]

[size=3]“We swept both buildings several times, because we kept getting reports of more bodies there,” Cataldie said. “But it just wasn’t the case.” [/size]

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[size=3]One widely circulated tale, told to The Times-Picayune by a slew of evacuees and two Arkansas National Guardsmen, held that “30 or 40 bodies” were stored in a Convention Center freezer. But a formal Arkansas Guard review of the matter later found that no soldier had actually seen the corpses, and that the information came from rumors in the food line for military, police and rescue workers in front of Harrah’s New Orleans Casino, said Edwards, who conducted the review.[/size]

[url="http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/rumors_of_death.php#"]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/rumors_of_death.php#[/url]

Petr

2005-09-28 12:06 | User Profile

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Now we have it on good authority that the murders, rapes, etc nevered occurred either, and that all the eyewitnesses were just mistaken." [/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

In chaotic situations like this, wild rumors and exaggerations [B] do [/B]spread amazingly easy and all sorts of spurious "eyewitness testimonies" turn up - what is your attitude on eyewitness testimonies on the Jewish holocaust issue?

(After all, during the WW I the whole Anglo-Saxon world knew that Germans had bayoneted babies in Belgium.)

"Urban Legends" reference page claims this:

[B][COLOR=Blue]"This is yet another of the many accounts circulated in cyberspace that proclaim themselves to be actual first-hand reports penned by folks who've had direct experience with the people and situations being written about. This tale of a trashed rest stop, which circulates under a variety of titles, including "Real life story from Texas state Line" and "The other side of the story," first arrived in our inbox on 9 September 2005."[/COLOR][/B]

[url]http://www.snopes.com/katrina/personal/reststop.asp[/url]

On the other hand, here's "pro-Negro" NOLA urban legend:

[url]http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/whatswrong.asp[/url]

Petr

Bardamu

2005-09-28 13:13 | User Profile

I too was reminded of holocaustianity "eye witness" accounts, but nevertheless this story is being tweeked. It will be interesting to read the final coroner account of death in the Big Easy. Will cadavers with multiple gunshot or knife wounds be categorized as "hurricane victims"?

Quantrill

2005-09-28 14:40 | User Profile

I have no doubt that many of the 'atrocity stories' were merely rumours or tall tales. The stories of cannibalism, for example, were particularly outlandish. That said, however, I think there is now a very real and concerted effort to downplay the chaos and mayhem that occurred in New Orleans. Rush Limbaugh devoted considerable radio time to this very topic, which means that this message has been approved by the Republican leadership. The account of the Australian students who feared for their lives in the Superdome contradicts the new sanitized version of events. The interview with the guardsman who stopped reporters from taking pictures of corpses in the Superdome by telling them, "If you want to take pictures of corpses, go to Iraq," contradicts the new version of events. The interview with the bloodied man who was describing how he had just seen someone beaten to death, which was then cut off by Katie Couric, contradicts the new version of events. I'm sure some reports were exaggerated, but this is damage control, pure and simple.

Angeleyes

2005-09-28 15:22 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Quantrill]I have no doubt that many of the 'atrocity stories' were merely rumours or tall tales. The stories of cannibalism, for example, were particularly outlandish. That said, however, I think there is now a very real and concerted effort to downplay the chaos and mayhem that occurred in New Orleans. Rush Limbaugh devoted considerable radio time to this very topic, which means that this message has been approved by the Republican leadership. The account of the Australian students who feared for their lives in the Superdome contradicts the new sanitized version of events. The interview with the guardsman who stopped reporters from taking pictures of corpses in the Superdome by telling them, "If you want to take pictures of corpses, go to Iraq," contradicts the new version of events. The interview with the bloodied man who was describing how he had just seen someone beaten to death, which was then cut off by Katie Couric, contradicts the new version of events. I'm sure some reports were exaggerated, but this is damage control, pure and simple.[/QUOTE] The American media seem to be pooh poohing the reports of the Brits and Aussies (tourists who were taken care of by some NG or cop) on the crap they saw.

I wonder why that is?

AE

Hugh Lincoln

2005-09-29 20:05 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Quantrill]I have no doubt that many of the 'atrocity stories' were merely rumours or tall tales. The stories of cannibalism, for example, were particularly outlandish. That said, however, I think there is now a very real and concerted effort to downplay the chaos and mayhem that occurred in New Orleans. Rush Limbaugh devoted considerable radio time to this very topic, which means that this message has been approved by the Republican leadership. The account of the Australian students who feared for their lives in the Superdome contradicts the new sanitized version of events. The interview with the guardsman who stopped reporters from taking pictures of corpses in the Superdome by telling them, "If you want to take pictures of corpses, go to Iraq," contradicts the new version of events. The interview with the bloodied man who was describing how he had just seen someone beaten to death, which was then cut off by Katie Couric, contradicts the new version of events. I'm sure some reports were exaggerated, but this is damage control, pure and simple.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this assessment. Yes, stories can run wild. But no, blacks were rampaging. The reason this story has legs is because of what Quantrill said in his first post. You see? Those crazy whites will believe anything.

jeffersonian

2005-09-29 22:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Yes, stories can run wild. But no, blacks were rampaging. [/QUOTE] You have to catch the news more often. From what I've been hearing. Not only were no blacks looting at all. The cops were allowing the whites to take whatever they wanted, and shot at blacks who were just getting food and water for their children and elderly mothers at home.

Angeleyes

2005-09-29 23:39 | User Profile

[QUOTE=jeffersonian]You have to catch the news more often. From what I've been hearing. Not only were no blacks looting at all. The cops were allowing the whites to take whatever they wanted, and shot at blacks who were just getting food and water for their children and elderly mothers at home.[/QUOTE] Cuckle Is that why the Police Chief resigned? Can't handle the charges of "betrayal of his race" during the chaotic stage?

Hard times bring out some interesting behaviors in people, don't they?

Cinderella Man, the film, was a tale of how adversity can bring out the best in a man. I wonder if anyone who really needed to "got" the message.

AE

jeffersonian

2005-09-29 23:48 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Is that why the Police Chief resigned?[/QUOTE] Could well be. Of course there is also the scandal about how he failed to stop the "White Power Structure" from blowing up the levee...this currently popular with the Nation of Islam and Mother Ship Louie.