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Thread ID: 20417 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2005-09-26
2005-09-26 19:30 | User Profile
It appears that today, Cindy Sheehan was arrested in DC for something like an old fashioned sit-in. Ever since Pennsylvania Ave was closed to through traffic, and I guess since 9-11, sit ins are no longer valid political protest in front of 1600. :sad:
[url="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002522141_websheehan26.html"]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002522141_websheehan26.html[/url]
So, a few selected bits from the story: [QUOTE] The protest following a massive demonstration Saturday on the National Mall that drew a crowd of 100,000 or more, the largest such gathering in the capital since the war began in March 2003. On Sunday, a rally supporting the war drew roughly 500 participants. Speakers included veterans of World War II and the war in Iraq, as well as family members of soldiers killed in Iraq.
"I would like to say to Cindy Sheehan and her supporters don't be a group of unthinking lemmings. It's not pretty," said Mitzy Kenny of Ridgeley, W.Va., whose husband died in Iraq last year. The anti-war demonstrations "can affect the war in a really negative way. It gives the enemy hope." [/QUOTE]She probably sees what she is doing as a piece of civil disobedience to further her general protest, for all that her message remains dysfunctional and poorly packaged. She needs new advisers if she wants to succeed. It does not help her that her son volunteered, that he re-enlisted . . . that he made his own decisions, as a man should, for better and for worse.
I note that Rush and Hannity, and I imagine the rest of the shills, are doing the usual counterattack. Gee, who is surprised?
While it is good that the opposition to the war (particularly her line about her son dying for Israel security) stays in the news, having a shootable messenger hardly gets the point home.
Ghandi she ain't.
AE
In other news, Lindy England has been successfully scapegoated for the gross failures in leadership at the Abu Graihb prison. Convicted of 6/7 charges.
2005-09-26 19:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The protest following a massive demonstration Saturday on the National Mall that drew a crowd of 100,000 or more, the largest such gathering in the capital since the war began in March 2003. On Sunday, a rally supporting the war drew roughly 500 participants. Speakers included veterans of World War II and the war in Iraq, as well as family members of soldiers killed in Iraq.[/QUOTE]
Well, if it wasn't for Cindy Sheehan's brave stance against the despicable cretin George Bush, that anti-war rally wouldn't have drawn 100,000 (from other reports, that number could be as high as 300,000) supporters. It isn't Cindy Sheehan that's turning off people like me, but it's the loony-bat tag-alongs like Jesse Jackson and ANSWER (Stop War and [U]End Racism[/U]) that really turn off potential supporters, who might be conservatives, away from the anti-war movement. Even so, the fact that only a few hundred pro-war supporters made it out is icing on the cake. To see their pathetic numbers dwindle is great satisfaction.
However, let's face the facts on where anti-war sentiment is brewing: The immoral, illegal, disgraceful, costly, and deadly US-instigated debacle invasion of Iraq speaks for itself. You only need a 1-2 minute BBC newsclip to see that Iraq is in complete and utter chaos and for no good reason except rich men's greed and pride. THAT is what's attracting people, like me and others, to latch onto anyone that's brave enough to speak out in a large way against BushCo's ultimate crime against humanity in Iraq.
[QUOTE]"I would like to say to Cindy Sheehan and her supporters don't be a group of unthinking lemmings. It's not pretty," said Mitzy Kenny of Ridgeley, W.Va., whose husband died in Iraq last year. The anti-war demonstrations "can affect the war in a really negative way. It gives the enemy hope." [/QUOTE]
A pro-war kool-aid drinker telling Sheehan and anti-war supporters not to "be a group of unthinking lemmings" is so ripe with irony that I'll just leave it alone for now. People like her who support this despicable war are the ones who "give the enemy hope"....and that enemy of the American people is George Bush & Company.
2005-09-26 20:18 | User Profile
XM,
Your point about her starting something is well taken.
Limbaugh is really mad at her. He said that if it wasn't for her varicose veins she'd be colorless, among other snide and nasty comments. I write this as someone who thinks Ms. Sheehan gets carried away at times.
I really hope that bad things happen to Limbaugh.
2005-09-26 20:45 | User Profile
Sert, what's really exceptional about the pro-war waterboy club of Rush & Co is that they mostly engage in ad hominen attacks on their opponents and rarely, if ever, offer viable solutions or points concerning tough issues. There, they just repeat what the Emperor George says and close off any dissenting thoughts.
Sheehan is not a good public speaker all, nor is she discerning about what type of loony bats latch onto to her cause in her name, but I see her as an honest person and she won me over by acknowledging that her son Casey, even though he re-upped for duty in Iraq, was supposed to "defend America, not Israel" and the "war in Iraq was based on PNAC lies", as she wrote in her earlier letters.
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
Your point about her starting something is well taken.
Limbaugh is really mad at her. He said that if it wasn't for her varicose veins she'd be colorless, among other snide and nasty comments. I write this as someone who thinks Ms. Sheehan gets carried away at times.
I really hope that bad things happen to Limbaugh.[/QUOTE]
2005-09-26 21:50 | User Profile
Welcome to the brave new world of the 24-hour News Cycle; where, unless corporate decisions are made in boardrooms on your behalf, every trauma and outrage has a maximum shelf life of about three days. What with cross-media conglomerates utterly beholden to politicians for their formation - and wary of displeasing them into legislating them out of existence - I'd presume taking an adversarial position to power, out of principle, is a pretty low priority in our nation's newsrooms. Hard to squeeze a buck out of principles these days, y'know.
Your kid died on Monday? Hey, it's Friday already...turn the page and move on.
2005-09-26 21:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Sheehan is not a good public speaker all, nor is she discerning about what type of loony bats latch onto to her cause in her name, but I see her as an honest person and she won me over by acknowledging that her son Casey, even though he re-upped for duty in Iraq, was supposed to "defend America, not Israel" and the "war in Iraq was based on PNAC lies", as she wrote in her earlier letters.[/QUOTE]I don't see her as honest, not in the least, and particularly not intellectually honest. Her utterances are so focused on the issues of soundbyte, hate, rage, and trading on her son's death for her long standing, America self-hate political agenda that I wonder if someone on Hannity's side set her up to make her an easy strawman to slam.
This can look like laying a poisoned bait in Michael Moore's mousetrap, which he slobbered down without a moment's hesitation.
Given the popularity of consipriacy theories these days, how about a conspiracy theory that says Sheehan is a deliberate plant to discredit the anti-war movement? :dry: (EDIT: I forgot "anti")
Daniel Ellsberg, the "Pentagon Papers" guy, had a coherent and reasoned line in principled objection to the war, pre March 2003.
Is he still sounding off? Funny, someone with wit and experience is . . . ignored, and a shrill idiot is pandered to?
Smells.
AE
2005-09-27 12:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]I don't see her as honest, not in the least, and particularly not intellectually honest. Her utterances are so focused on the issues of soundbyte, hate, rage, and trading on her son's death for her long standing, America self-hate political agenda that I wonder if someone on Hannity's side set her up to make her an easy strawman to slam.
This can look like laying a poisoned bait in Michael Moore's mousetrap, which he slobbered down without a moment's hesitation.
Given the popularity of consipriacy theories these days, how about a conspiracy theory that says Sheehan is a deliberate plant to discredit the anti-war movement? :dry: (EDIT: I forgot "anti")
Daniel Ellsberg, the "Pentagon Papers" guy, had a coherent and reasoned line in principled objection to the war, pre March 2003.
Is he still sounding off? Funny, someone with wit and experience is . . . ignored, and a shrill idiot is pandered to?
Smells.
AE[/QUOTE]
Smart girl, Angeleyes.
2005-09-28 01:18 | User Profile
Every time I see Sheehan I think of the old adage, tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are. One of her friends is Lynn Stewart. Google her and take a gander at her clients then tell me again about what a patriot Ms. Sheehan is.
2005-09-28 02:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=DakotaBlue]Every time I see Sheehan I think of the old adage, tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are. One of her friends is Lynn Stewart. Google her and take a gander at her clients then tell me again about what a patriot Ms. Sheehan is.[/QUOTE] Besides her picture giving away what kind of feminazi she appears to be
[QUOTE] Sixty-two-year-old New York City criminal defense attorney Lynne Stewart [/QUOTE] Pretty well answers the question. Oxygen thief.
AE
2005-09-28 15:45 | User Profile
Ms. Sheehan is an opportunist and has no qualms about exploiting her son in the bargain. I have no doubt that she believes what she says but like all who come to celebrity-dom quickly from the far reaches of obscurity, she's also having herself a good time, loving all the attention. This is now not just about her son, this is now about Ms. Sheehan, and the talk shows, and the demonstations, and the bus tours and the accolades from the famous and the media coverage and the adoring vintage hippydippies who seemed to have crawled out from under a rock just waiting for this misguided messiah to lead them backwards to the good ole days. This is now all about her and to think otherwise shows an ignorance of human nature.
Her son volunteered. He wasn't drafted. He wanted to be there, warts and all. Lies and all. Contradictions and all. Death and all. It was his choice. This takes almost all the wind out of her sails. What propels her now is the wind she's picking up from the other blowhards.
2005-09-28 16:05 | User Profile
[IMG]http://littlegeneva.com/images/sheep.JPG[/IMG]
[U]Not[/U] dying in war for an absurd f**king lie is baaaaaaaaahaaaaaaad.
2005-09-28 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead][IMG]http://littlegeneva.com/images/sheep.JPG[/IMG]
[U]Not[/U] dying in war for an absurd f**king lie is baaaaaaaaahaaaaaaad.[/QUOTE]
[B]Frankly, I don't know anyone who thinks, feels or believes that, do you?[/B]