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Thread ID: 20354 | Posts: 20 | Started: 2005-09-23
2005-09-23 13:19 | User Profile
[I]Things get weirder in America when a paleo like me agrees with, and cheers on, a milquetoast liberal like Phil Donahue. But when his opponent is a Zionist waterboy, like Mr O'Reilly, well, there's not much of a choice. Seems Blowhard is pretty upset that Cindy Sheehan is such a "radical", and that Americans are catching on to her message.[/I]
See the [URL=http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/21.html#a5055]VIDEO[/URL]
O'REILLY: In the past Miss [Cindy] Sheehan has criticized Israel, saying it is occupying Palestine, has called Iraqi insurgents "freedom fighters," has accused Americans of killing people ever since we stepped on this continent, has threatened Hillary Clinton with the loss her job unless she calls for a pullout of US troops from Iraq and has called the US action against Afghanistan a failure. Quite a resume and with us now is Phil Donahue, who supports Miss Sheehan's "dissent." So, I'm assuming you don't - you don't support all her positions that I just chronicled.
DONAHUE: Let's understand what's happening here. Once again we have a woman who got to be just a little too famous for the people who support this war, a minority of the American population, by the way, and so the effort to marginalize this woman is underway and you're helping out.
O'REILLY: I'm the leader of the pack!
DONAHUE: You're suggesting ...
O'REILLY: I'm the leader of the pack!
DONAHUE: First of all, Cindy Sheehan is one tough mother and nothing you say or anyone else is gonna slow her down.
O'REILLY: That's fine. She has a right to ...
DONAHUE: You can't hurt her. She's already taken the biggest punch in the nose that a woman can take.
O'REILLY: How?!
DONAHUE: She lost a son.
O'REILLY: Oh. OK.
DONAHUE: She's lost a child.
O'REILLY: But look - I'm not puttin' words in her mouth ...
DONAHUE: And by the way, she is going to be at the center of one of the largest rallies since the Vietnam War. Proud, patriotic Americans who will show up in Washington this week for one of the most massive, largest demonstrations - protest demonstrations ...
O'REILLY: OK. And we'll cover it.
DONAHUE: ... right outside the President's window.
O'REILLY: And we'll cover it.
DONAHUE: And FOX is in the business of saying that this woman is somehow saying un-American things - hyperbole.
O'REILLY (getting angry): No. No. No. No.
DONAHUE: Listen to what she's saying.
O'REILLY (checking his notes): Nobody said she said anything un-American. We say that her positions are radical. And they are radical!
DONAHUE: Let me tell you what's radical. (getting a little angry himself) What's radical is to send more Americans to die in this war, which is a monumental blunder by a President ...
O'REILLY (under his breath): Alright.
DONAHUE: ... who swaggered us into it with - by the way - the at least tacit approval of the Democratic Party.
O'REILLY (shifts in his chair, upset): You know what's radical ...
DONAHUE: There's a lot of sin to go around here!
O'REILLY (angry, wags finger at Donahue): What's radical for this -
DONAHUE (won't let O'Reilly finish sentence): Do you want to send more people to this war?
O'REILY: Hey listen ...
DONAHUE: Is that your postiion?
O'REILLY: If we cut and run outta there, like you wanna do, we would be putting every American in a thousand times more jeopardy than they're in now.
DONAHUE (forcefully): We're going to cut and run anyway, Bill.
O'REILLY: Well, that's your opinion. I don't think we are.
DONAHUE: It's not my opinion. American military leaders have said we're gonna draw down beginning next year. The reason they've said that ...
O'REILLY(angry now): There's a difference between drawin' down and cuttin' and runnin'!
DONAHUE: Alright....
O'REILLY (angry, jabs finger at Donahue): You're a cut and run guy and I don't want my family in danger because of you ...
DONAHUE: You wanna stay the course, don't ya'?
O'REILLY: Look.
DONAHUE: You don't ...
O'REILLY (getting angrier): Here's what I want to do. I want to give the Iraqis a chance to train their army so they can defeat these people who are tryin' to turn it into a terror state.
DONAHUE (calmly): Bill
O'REILLY: That's what I want to do! Go!
DONAHUE: Bill. This - Iraq was not a terrorist state.
O'REILLY (exasperated): Oh, no!
DONAHUE: I hope I don't patronize you for saying ...
O'REILLY (dismissive hand gesture) : Saddam was a swell guy!!
DONAUME: Saddam ...
O'REILLY (loudly, sarcastically): He was just a great guy!!
DONAHUE (louder): Saddam - Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard!!
O'REILLY: He wasn't anybody's ...
DONAHUE: Donald Rumsfeld shook his hand in the 80s.
O'REILLY: Alright. Well that's great.
DONAHUE: You saw the pictures! (reasonable tone of voice) Now listen - listen. You wouldn't send your children to this war, Bill.
O'REILLY (very angry, pointing): My nephew just enlisted in the Army. You don't know what the hell you're talkin' about!!!
DONAHUE: Very good. Very good. Congratulations! You should be proud ..
O'REILLY (starts to lose it, shouting, pointing finger, hand shaking): And he's a patriot, so don't denigrate his service or I'll boot you right off the set!!!
DONAHUE: I'm not ... I'm not ...
O'REILLY (very, very loud): That boy made a decision to serve his country!!! Do not denigrate him or you're outta here!!!
DONAHUE (calmly): I'm not Jeremy Glick, Billy.
O'REILLY: That's right!!
DONAHUE: You can't intimidate me!!
O'REILLY: You're a little bit more intelligent that he is!!
DONAHUE: I'm not somebody you can come and just spew all your ...
O'REILLY: Don't tell me I wouldn't send my kids.
DONAHUE: Loud doesn't mean right!
O'REILLY: My nephew just enlisted. You don't know what you're talkin' about!!
DONAHUE: Your nephew is not your kid. You are like ...
O'REILLY: He's my blood!
DONAHUE: You are part of a loud group of people who wanna prove they're tough ...
O'REILLY (shifts angrily in his chair, under his breath): Aw fer ...
DONAHUE: ... and send other people's kids to war to make the case.
O'REILLY (very loud): You have no clue ...
DONAHUE: This ..
O'REILLY: ... about how to fight a war on terror or how to defend your country. You are clueless! So is Miss Sheehan and for Miss Sheehan to say that the insurgents have a right to kill Americans and you're shakin' her hand! You oughta just walk away.
DONHUE (quieter): How many more young men and women are you gonna send to have their arms and legs blown off ...
O'REILY: Hey, this is a war on terror!
DONAHUE: ... so that you can be tough (points his finger at O'Reilly) and point at people in a kind of cowardly way..
O'REILLY (disgusted, under his breath): Oh, yeah.
DONHUE: Take people like Jeremy Glick who comes on to - in memory of his parents ...
O'REILLY: Oh bull.
DONAHUE: ... and you go off on him.
O'REILLY: Jeremy Glick accu ...
DONAHUE: ... like a big bully.
O'REILLY: Hey!
DOAHUE: Billy, you hafta be - you hafta feel sorry ...
O'REILLY: Mr. Donahue, with all due respect ...
DONAHUE: Have you apologized to him for that?
O'REILLY: Baloney!
DONAHUE: Do you know ...
O'REILLY: Jeremy Glick came on this program ...
DONAHUE: Do you know what I'm talking about?
O'REILLY: ... and accused the President of the United States ...
DONAHUE (sarcastically): Oh, and you had to ..
O'REILLY: ... of orchestrating 9/11. That's what he did. Right after 9/11!! Do you know what the pain that brought the families who lost people in 9/11?
DONAHUE: This war ...
O'REILLY: You buy into left-wing propaganda ...
DONAHUE: This war ..
O'REILLY: ... and you're a mouthpiece for it. (shifts in seat, clenched mouth) Go ahead.
DONAHUE: This war is not fair to the American troops. This war is unconstitutional. This war turned its back on the people who framed the most fabulous document in the history of civilization. I speak of the United States Constitution.
O'REILLY: Alright. Why ...
DONAHUE: This ... By the way ...
O'REILLY: Why isn't the Democratic party speaking that way?
DONAHUE: I'm sorry that it isn't. I am. But let's understand something ...
O'REILLY: Are we all ...
DONAHUE: Excuse me.
O'REILLY: Are well so misguided ...
DONAHUE: Excuse me. Twenty-one Democrats in the Senate voted against this war as well as Jeffords, an Independent, and- may the Lord shine His blessings down upon Lincoln Chaffee ...
O'REILLY: Alright. I'm gonna say something and I'm gonna ...
DONAHUE (louder, refuses to be stopped): I'm almost finished, Billy!!
O'REILLY: I'm gonna give ya' the last word.
DONAHUE: I'm almost finished!
O'REILLY: Alright.
DONAHUE: Lincoln Chaffee, the only Republican in the Senate to vote against this war. We should be building statues to all these people. October 2002 ...
O'REILLY: Alright;
DONAHUE: ... they stood up to as President and they knew that, first of all, only Congress can declare war. Why is that unimportant to you, Billy?
O'REILLY: Listen. It's not - I'm not ...
DONAHUE: Become the patriot that your loud voice proclaims you to be ...
O'REILLY: The loud voice ...
DONAHUE: ... and stand behind the Constitution and insist that we never go to war again without the approval and the consent of the United States Congress.
O'REILLY: Alright . That's why we have the Congress. If they want to take action, they can take action. Now I'm gonna say somethin' then I'll give you the last word. The Iraq War is not something I embrace.
DONAHUE makes surprised sound.
O'REILLY: It absolutely could be a tactical error.
DONAHUE: Well you should ...
O'REILLY (louder): Just listen.
DONAHUE: It's hard to know this.
O'REILLY (louder): Listen ta' me ..
DONAHUE: It's hard to know this.
O'REILLY: ... and I'll give you the last word. Not something they embrace. Could be a tactical error and we have not waged it the way I had hoped we would wage it.
DONAHUE: But, what?
O'REILLY: But ,,,
DONAHUE: You want to send more kids ...
O'REILLY: The war on terror ...
DONAHUE: ... to die.
O'REILLY: We're in a war on terror. Our cause is noble.
DONAHUE: It has nothing to do with the war on terror.
O'REILLY (louder again): Yes, it does. And if you don't understand geopolitics, if you don't understand Iraq would be a terrorist state if we pulled outta there...
DONAHUE (loudly): It's a mistake.
O'REILLY: ... then you don't know anything. Go ahead.
DONAHUE: It was poorly planned ...
O'REILLY: Go ahead.
DONAHUE: ... and poorly executed but Bill O'Reilly wants to send more kids to fight and die. We've already had two thou - almost thousand - (gestures for O'Reilly to hold off) - just let me have the last word. In the last year two things have doubled. The number of dead American troops in Iraq has doubled and you know what else doubled, Billy? The price of Halliburton stock.
O'REILLY (upset): Alright.
DONAHUE: From $33 to $66. That doesn't shame you? That doesn't make you wonder ...
O'REILLY: I'm not upset by Halliburton stock.
DONAHUE: ... whether this is an enterprise that is worth the support of the American people. We need you at this rally on Saturday, Billy..
O'REILLY: OK. I'm not gonna be at your rally.
DONAHUE: We need you out there in front of it to protest.
O'REILLY: I'm not gonna be at your rally.
DONAHUE: There is no democracy without dissent.
O'REILLY: I'm not gonna protest.
DONHUE: You should be proud of people who stand up and dissent.
O'REILLY: I am. I respect your ...
DONAHUE: A lot of fine men died to give me that freedom.
O'REILLY: You got. You got it. I respect your dissent. I think you're way off in your analysis of the war on terror.
DONAHUE: You want to send more people to die? Is that your position?
O'REILLY: I wanna win the war in Iraq.
DONABHUE: Win. What does "win" mean?
O'REILLY: Means ...
DONAHUE: Tell me what "win" means?
O'REILLY: Means those people have a chance at democracy.
DOPNAHUE: How long's that gonna take.
O'REILLY: I gotta go. I gotta go.
DONAHUE: How long's that gonna take?
O'REILLY: Those people deserve a chance at freedom.
Reported by Marie Therese at September 22, 2005 04:39 AM
[url]http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/22/verbal_donnybrook_on_the_factor_donahue_kos_oreilly.php#more[/url]
2005-09-23 13:46 | User Profile
As I read the transcript, there were two blowhards blowing at each other. :argue: No winners, two losers. Just a lot of hot air, contributing to global warming.
[QUOTE] O'REILLY: I wanna win the war in Iraq.
DONABHUE: Win. What does "win" mean?
O'REILLY: Means ...
DONAHUE: Tell me what "win" means?
O'REILLY: Means those people have a chance at democracy.
DOPNAHUE: How long's that gonna take. [/QUOTE]Two micks arguing in a bar, sorry, on TV. Neither of those two idiots understands war any better than they understand Mongolian grammar, but Donahue correctly rubs salt into the wound of a fractured policy: what is a "win" and is it achievable? To his discredit, O'Reilly still has not "gotten" that part.
AE
2005-09-23 13:47 | User Profile
Donahue had the highest-rated show on MSNBC when he was yanked for not being sufficiently ardent for the Chimp-Sharon War...he better embodies George Washington's No Entangling Alliances ideal than the braying chickenhawks of Faux and Rimjobistan.
O'Reilly likes to boast about his "combat experience"--which consists of being a correspondent in Central America somehere near a pistol shot...
[img]http://www.onsecondthought.net/images/Photos/Humor/Bill%20O'Reilly's.gif[/img]
2005-09-23 14:09 | User Profile
Howard, did you also notice that Blowhard O'Lielly claims some kind of moral authority on the war because his "nephew" just joined the Army!
And yes, I used to watch Phil's MSNBC show sometimes because, if anything, he certainly had a more fair and balanced approach than O'Lielly or anything else on Faux News.
2005-09-23 14:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Donahue had the highest-rated show on MSNBC when he was yanked for not being sufficiently ardent for the Chimp-Sharon War...[/QUOTE] Wrong! Donahue was cancelled because his ratings were lower than whale dung. He did well when he was preaching to the housewives at nine in the morning, but when he went on at night, he couldn't maintain an audience. He's an a$$hole of the first order but even a stopped clock is right twice a day and he is right, maybe for the first time in his life, which is why he was able to prevail over another equally abominable a$$hole the other night.
2005-09-23 14:11 | User Profile
XM,
Thanks for posting this. As much as Donohue's sanctimonious behavior turns me off, I have to admit that with this segment of the O'Really Factor that he made up for some of that. O'Reilly got his [I]sanctimonious[/I] ass kicked. I loved it when he reared up like a Tyrannosaur Rex obstensibly over his nephew in that attempt to sidetrack Donohue. [QUOTE]O'REILLY:It absolutely could be a tactical error. [/QUOTE] He's spinning like a gyroscope. We have a lot stuff here from Bill's own mouth that show him to be one of the biggest cheerleaders of this debacle and here we see one rat trying to abandon the [I]S.S. Neocon.[/I] One time, Bill attempted to question Scott Ritter's patroitism and loyalty and got kick that time as well. :starwars:
2005-09-23 14:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]He's spinning like a gyroscope. We have a lot stuff here from Bill's own mouth that show him to be one of the biggest cheerleaders of this debacle and here we see one rat trying to abandon the [I]S.S. Neocon.[/I] One time, Bill attempted to question Scott Ritter's patroitism and loyalty and got kick that time as well. :starwars:[/QUOTE]
Sert, the real problem with the SS Neocon ship is that they swallowed the Kool-aid about a "cakewalk" war in Iraq, to be over in a few weeks, and American Ceasar George Bush would have the adoration of his legions for 1000 years. However, when Iraqi Freedom Fighters, wearing masks and using AK-47's, RPG's and IED's started making their valiant stand, then the waterboys O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, and the rest of the chickenhawks had to go into "damage control" and save face at all costs. That job, in itself, would lead anyone to psychotic and irrational behavior. No wonder O'Reilly has the urge to jump. Hey, Wolfie, Perle, and Feith have already taken the few lifeboats already!!! I have not one ounce of sympathy for them however, being they should've known better when the government was spewing such fantastic lies about WMD's and Saddam's "support" for Al-Qaeda and he killed "millions" of his own people nonsense. Countless thousands have died because of their cheerleading. O'Reilly, et al are nothing but foolish traitors.
2005-09-23 14:43 | User Profile
Saw it last night and while I detest Donohue and his liberal wife, O'Reilly looked and sounded like a jerk. This is what usually happens when someone, doesn't matter which side of the aisle, opposes him with common sense. He can't handle it because it kicks his emotions into overdrive and then he's out of control. He's easily baited.
The whole "nephew" thing was really pathetic and the more apoplectic he got, the more condescending and composed Donohue got and when Donohue started calling him "Billy" you knew the fight was over. Donohue had the slight smirk of a smartass winner.
Bill missed the boat when he slid over Donohue's seemingly blanket approval and endorsement of Sheehan. There were enough anti-American Sheehan remarks that could have nailed Donohue's own extreme liberal views to the cross, but Bill's temper blinded him to any opportunities and so they were missed. It would have called into question Donohue's selective outrage. Where was he when Clinton decided to bomb Bosnian civilians? I would have asked that question.
It's not Donohue's opposition to this war that I take issue with. I oppose it also, but the political underpinnings of his opinions are rabidly anti-American. Mine are not. Big diff.
2005-09-23 15:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Wrong! Donahue was cancelled because his ratings were lower than whale dung. He did well when he was preaching to the housewives at nine in the morning, but when he went on at night, he couldn't maintain an audience. He's an a$$hole of the first order but even a stopped clock is right twice a day and he is right, maybe for the first time in his life, which is why he was able to prevail over another equally abominable a$$hole the other night.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Operaman...I'm right:
ELLIS: They did -- pretty much from the beginning, and his show has been the highest-rated on MSNBC. The problem is that in the universe of, of ratings, the channel is so far in third place behind Fox and CNN that it's real easy to say well the ratings were down -- he's -you know - he's getting a - an audience that's so much smaller than Bill O'Reilly or so much smaller than Connie Chung-- we had to cancel him. BROOKE GLADSTONE: Okay, so it was widely noted that Phil Donahue's audience was 5 times smaller than Bill O'Reilly's but he did beat Chris Matthews who's heavily promoted all over MSNBC. Ultimately the report suggests the problem wasn't really about numbers!
[url]http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/transcripts_022803_donahue.html[/url]
2005-09-23 17:49 | User Profile
MSNBC is a ratings and programming disaster. Anyone who winds up there is pretty much considered put out to pasture with the exception of the Chris Matthews Show which continues to show poor ratings. To say that Donohue's ratings were high in comparison to other shows on that station is a distortion bordering on hyperbole. Ratings are based on genre and timeslot comparisons across the board otherwise the results would be too skewed for any analysis.
I'm curious as to who this Ellis is that you quote in the dialogue. Could it be the truth-challenged, liberal ideologue, wannabe journalist, Ellis Henican of Newsday? Just curious.
2005-09-23 18:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]As I read the transcript, there were two blowhards blowing at each other. :argue: No winners, two losers. Just a lot of hot air, contributing to global warming. [/QUOTE]
If you see the video of it, it's much clearer that Donahue is the winner here. O'Reilly is talking with a loud voice, heavy on emotion, and almost as if he's hanging onto a cliff with his fingernails. Donhahue maintains a calm tone througout.
2005-09-23 18:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=DakotaBlue]MSNBC is a ratings and programming disaster. Anyone who winds up there is pretty much considered put out to pasture with the exception of the Chris Matthews Show which continues to show poor ratings. To say that Donohue's ratings were high in comparison to other shows on that station is a distortion bordering on hyperbole. Ratings are based on genre and timeslot comparisons across the board otherwise the results would be too skewed for any analysis.
You are insulting and evidently ignorant of media audience research. How is affirming that Donahue's ratings at MSNBC were the network's highest at the time of his show's cancellation either "distortion" or "hyperbole"?
It's a matter of public record.
2005-09-23 19:55 | User Profile
I know that Donahue is a bleeding-heart leftist on many or most issues, but in the above transcript he sounds far more like a true conservative than O'Reilly.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses the phrase "War on Terror" except in an ironic/mocking way is a brainwashed fool. O'Reilly more than qualifies. If I were in charge of America and I wanted to (1) make this nation as vulnerable to terrorists as I possibly could, and (2) make them as eager to attack us as possible, then I would have the US do exactly the same things it's doing now in Iraq and in the Middle East in general.
2005-09-23 20:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]You are insulting and evidently ignorant of media audience research. How is affirming that Donahue's ratings at MSNBC were the network's highest at the time of his show's cancellation either "distortion" or "hyperbole"?
It's a matter of public record.[/QUOTE]
[B]Simple. Opera said he was cancelled because his ratings were low. Accurate point. MSNBC wouldn't have dropped him if he was making money. You make money by selling airtime. He wasn't.
Opera did not say his ratings were low in comparison to other shows on MSNBC, which while important to you, is irrelevant to advertiser spending. His show's ratings were low compared to other political talk shows on other cable stations in that timeslot...I mean, just what about this simple conclusion eludes you? It's a fact of media life, if the advertiser won't buy your show won't fly. Maybe "distortion" was too strong a term. Naive might be better suited to someone, who through no fault of his own, just doesn't understand media buying. I apologize. [/B]
2005-09-23 20:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I know that Donahue is a bleeding-heart leftist on many or most issues, but in the above transcript he sounds far more like a true conservative than O'Reilly.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses the phrase "War on Terror" except in an ironic/mocking way is a brainwashed fool. O'Reilly more than qualifies. If I were in charge of America and I wanted to (1) make this nation as vulnerable to terrorists as I possibly could, and (2) make them as eager to attack us as possible, then I would have the US do exactly the same things it's doing now in Iraq and in the Middle East in general.[/QUOTE]
[B]I agree. I'd also add, when we use the term,War on Terror, can Bush explain why he hasn't seen fit to close our borders tighter than a drum to keep terrorists from using this route? This war, like every other one the American people have been railroaded into, has nothing to do with this country, it's security or its economic health.[/B]
2005-09-26 16:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=DakotaBlue] . . . when we use the term,War on Terror, can Bush explain why he hasn't seen fit to close our borders tighter than a drum to keep terrorists from using this route? This war, like every other one the American people have been railroaded into, has nothing to do with this country, it's security or its economic health.[/QUOTE] When I heard War on Terror declared, I was of mixed feelings. First was "Is this War on Drugs, part deux?" and the other feeling was
Hmm, double CIA and Spec Ops Spending, and start leveraging the intel cooperation and start assassinating selected assholes the world over.
A war in Iraq to change the face of the Middle East from without, led by "The Great Satan" of the West? The Afghanistan piece was close enough to fit.
But the quiet war in the shadows, where underground networks are slowly hunted down and exterminated . . . Hey, does anyone even understand the enemy?
AE
2005-09-26 18:43 | User Profile
And while I'm on the subject of BillyO, did anyone read the transcript of his show with 2 rappers and one black high school principal? Nothing like 3 blacks to intimidate this wiseguy wannabe.
He started out making a statement about rap music, and these two neanderthal rappers managed too back him into a corner with moral equivalency and meaningless tripe. BillyO backed so far off he could have been seated in the next county. What a transparent bit of cowardice that show was. The three blacks all talked black-ese to one another, while BillyO, the outsider, tried to come off like a really understanding white person despite what these morons were saying, or trying to say, or mutilating what they were trying to say. BillyO sounded like the white kid who dresses tough but when push comes to shove he's only a thug when up against another white guy, like Donohue. These guys were shoving it in his face, ridiculing him and playing him for a fool.
And this wasn't the first time. I distinctly remember another show when Quanelle X, (don't you just love these blessed names), did a number on him. BillyO had his tail, the other one, tucked firmly between his legs. He's afraid of blacks like them and that's clear. A real paper tiger.
2005-09-26 22:35 | User Profile
That was one of the most inspiring, refreshing, invigorating things I've read in weeks. I love seeing mental colostomy bags like O'Reilly getting turned inside out and having their contents flung all over their shiny studio sets. Thanks XM.
2005-09-26 22:52 | User Profile
Rowdy:
I think it's kinda sad. When BillyO first popped onto the scene I had high hopes..finally someone who wasn't afraid to lay it on the line. But I began to realize that his outrage went just so far. It became apparent that the easy targets were his meat and potatoes but blacks and Jews were off limits except in the most polite venues. He likes his fat paycheck and that's fine. But at some point in the game, you gotta lay it on the line otherwise your mouthings begin to acquire the ring of dishonesty. Sad. But then again, I don't know anyone who is willing to take on these two groups in the media. Maybe I expect too much.
2005-10-16 03:49 | User Profile
lost hope with oreally when he came out in favor of gay adoption.
he is like a stopped clock, right a couple of short bursts every day!
i thought the rappers viewpoint got all the press it needed today from toledo.