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Thread ID: 20258 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2005-09-17
2005-09-17 01:40 | User Profile
Vang Guilty
A jury found Chai Soua Vang guilty Friday of murdering six deer hunters and wounding two others during a confrontation over trespassing, rejecting his claims he shot in self-defense after one hunter used racial slurs and another fired at him.
The two survivors of the shooting had testified the white hunters never shot at Vang before he opened fire on them after they confronted him about trespassing in a tree stand on their private property in some isolated northwestern Wisconsin woods Nov. 21.
An all-white jury deliberated about three hours before reaching a verdict of guilty on six counts of first-degree intentional homicide and three counts of attempted homicide. Vang, a 36-year-old truck driver from St. Paul, Minnesota, faces mandatory life in prison. Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.
Vang, dressed in a business suit with family members seated behind him, showed no visible emotion as the judge read the verdict. Outside the court, one of his friends, Pofwmyeh Yang, questioned the jury's makeup and maintained Vang was innocent.
"All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Yang said. "I believe only one person can judge, and that's God. But God didn't judge today."
The crime rocked the northwoods, and not just because of its shocking nature -- four of the victims were shot in the back and all but one were unarmed, according to testimony. The slayings also occurred during the state's beloved deer hunting season and it exposed racial tension between the predominantly white northwoods and Hmong immigrants to the region.
Testimony from Vang and the two shooting survivors highlighted the six-day trial in Sawyer County, a heavily forested recreation mecca about 100 miles northeast of Minnesota's Twin Cities.
The two shooting survivors testified one of them fired at Vang, but only after he was wounded and some of his companions were dying. Vang maintained he was frightened for his life and fired after someone else shot first.
Vang's attorney, Steven Kohn, said who fired first was key to the case, and he argued no physical evidence existed to determine that.
But Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager argued Vang gunned down the hunters in cold blood as they either watched in disbelief, were ambushed or were trying to flee.
The six victims, all from the Rice Lake area about 50 miles southwest of Hayward, included a father and son and a daughter of one of the survivors.
Testimony from witnesses suggested Vang's trespassing nearly ended peacefully.
One surviving hunter, Terry Willers, testified Vang apologized and was walking away. The confrontation escalated after Willers called one of the property's owners, Robert Crotteau, on a radio to report the trespasser, Willers testified.
Crotteau angrily confronted Vang, who testified the hunter used excessive profanity and racial slurs. Crotteau also threatened to report Vang to the authorities.
Vang was walking down a path when he turned and started shooting, witnesses testified. Vang said he began firing only after Willers shot at him. Vang, a father of seven who came to the United States from a refugee camp in Thailand more than 20 years ago, wasn't hit.
The youngest victim, Crotteau's 20-year-old son, Joey, was shot four times in the back and side. Three other victims were shot in the back, some multiple times.
Jurors -- eight women, four men -- were picked from Dane County, home of the state Capitol and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, because of publicity about the case and concern of possible anti-Hmong sentiment in the area.
By Robert Imrie, Associated Press Writer All Material Copyright 2005 KARE-11. All Rights Reserved. [url]http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=107407#[/url]
Victim Charge Verdict Terry Willers First-degree attempted murder Guilty Lauren Hesebeck First-degree attempted murder(2 counts)Guilty Robert Crotteau 1st Degree Murder Guilty Joseph Crotteau 1st Degree Murder Guilty Al Laski 1st Degree Murder Guilty Mark Roidt 1st Degree Murder Guilty Jessica Willers 1st Degree Murder Guilty Dennis Drew 1st Degree Murder Guilty
2005-09-17 01:43 | User Profile
...an all-white jury...
Now, where have we noted that emphasis before?
2005-09-17 02:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Yang said. "I believe only one person can judge, and that's God. But God didn't judge today."
[/QUOTE]so I guess this gook is god's spokesmen here?
Vang's :caiphas: attorney was on TV earlier saying the same shit. bitching about how the jury pool was so diverse, and something to the effect of the minorities were kept off the jury because they were judged to have to much of an emotional attachment to the case(as in they understand the racism of whitey that led to this poor abused Hmong gentlemen acting in self-defense.lol)
2005-09-17 02:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius] "All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Yang said. [/QUOTE] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Just a moment, Mr. Vang, I believe I can adequately respond to that.
F--- YOU, GOOK.[/size][/font]
2005-09-17 03:01 | User Profile
OK, why not admit that "justice", when judged by a jury, is a relative thing, and that everyone is looking out for his own kind? Of course, they are saying the same but in their world it's only whitey who's biased and the minohties are saint. Whereas it's exactly the opposite: whites are the only of the few groups able to be impartial, just by their virtue of not being ethnically cohesive and being receipients of the relentless "you must atone" yidn propaganda.
2005-09-17 04:45 | User Profile
never mind that the dead in this case were victims of a race based crime. Why should the jury not be weighted for their rights? They aren't here to speak for themselves. Someone has to speak for them. Whom better than the people of their own community? If a "Jury of their peers" is only for the defendent, why do both attorneys get to choose who is on it?
2005-09-17 05:19 | User Profile
No doubt that bang bang Vang's kosher attorney smells a lot of money in the ineviteble appeals...
2005-09-17 05:24 | User Profile
the whole incident made me sick ... intrude on my property? hunt my resources? kill my family, some of whom were defenseless?
There are better methods for dispensing justice for such crimes than a jury. The gook should feel privileged that he even had a day in court, thanks to OUR Constitution.
case closed ["Law & Order" theme chime]
2005-09-17 13:31 | User Profile
Vang: 3 Hunters Deserved To Die [url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/vang_3_hunters.php[/url]
Make room on the africa bound ships for the dinks too
:gunsmilie
2005-09-17 17:53 | User Profile
Originally Posted by Sertorius "All Caucasian, all American. Why can't there be one Hmong? Why can't there be one minority in there?" Yang said.
"All American"... does he realize what country he is in?
2005-09-17 18:02 | User Profile
He's in AmerikWa. Geographically overlapping parasite going through a gestation period.
2005-09-17 18:32 | User Profile
I'm surprised that this crime happened in the first place. Asians as a group tend to cause a lot less trouble than other minorities (and even whites), and they contribute a lot to society without trying to push any major agendas through the government. Many Asians are very hard-working and smart, especially in technical fields.
Would I like to see this nation flooded with Asian immigrants? No way. I think race is an important basis on which nations should be built. But of all the minority groups, Asians are by far the least offensive, IMO.
As for this Vang dude, he's obviously an exception to the "model minority" archetype. He did some serious damage here. If he had really been victimized then I could understand him fighting back, but I suspect that he had a chip on his soldier and a screw loose from the beginning, and that made him overreact greatly to some insults.
2005-09-17 18:42 | User Profile
Not all "Asians" are created equal. This is some gook shit from Vietnam and not a chink.
The most civilized are Koreans and Japs. Then, probably, belching dirty chinks, with a huge gap from the "leaders". Gooks are at the bottom and are just a tiny stepup from niggers.
2005-09-17 18:45 | User Profile
Hmongs defy that "ideal minority" template of most Asians--in joblessness, welfare rates, educational levels and social pathologies they have more in common with Puerto Ricans than with Japanese.
2005-09-17 19:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Gooks are at the bottom and are just a tiny stepup from niggers.[/QUOTE] This seems to be accurate about the "hmong." Many of them are on welfare and are violent. There was another Hmong who did something similar to this, also in Wisconsin(I think) not too long ago that killed himself in jail. A few stories also have popped up recently about a Hmong gang getting into a shootout with the cops and there are often stories about them killing their family members. Areas of St. Paul, MN look like Vietnam, Cambodia(sp) or wherever the **** they come from. And other parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin, especially are infested with them. Yuck!:yucky:
2005-09-17 19:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]...an all-white jury...
Now, where have we noted that emphasis before?[/QUOTE]I looked up a neat link on the web the other day: The Hurricane Hoax. An investigative journalist did a remarkable job of dismantling the fact from fiction in the Ruben Carter case, and showed what a rube Bob Dylan was, what rubes the Canadians were, and what a complete BS artist Carter was . . . not to mention the lie that Denzel Washington acted in.
Also showed how hard a case the DA had, with the witnesses he had available, a couple being petty crooks to start with . . .
That's where I remember the "all white jury" most vividly, from the Dylan lyric.
AE
2005-09-18 03:48 | User Profile
White racism to blame for killings....so the kosher attorney says.
[url]http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=242410&source=r_general[/url]
Friday, 16 September 2005, 21:55 CDT
Hmong convicted of killing Wisconsin hunters
By Eileen Nimm
HAYWARD, Wisconsin (Reuters) - A Laotian immigrant was convicted on Friday of shooting to death six hunters, after the jury rejected his claim he fired after being shot at and that a racist tirade made him fear for his life.
Chai Soua Vang, a 36-year-old truck driver who is a member of St. Paul, Minnesota's Hmong minority community, faces an automatic sentence of six life terms in prison after the all-white jury found him guilty of six counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder after three hours of deliberations.
Vang, who was 11 when he and his Laotian family immigrated from a Thai refugee camp, appeared resigned and showed little emotion as the verdict was announced in the Sawyer County courtroom.
Vang testified that one of the white hunters who confronted him November 21 on private land shot at Vang first and he fired back in self-defense.
He recounted running after the other hunters as they tried to flee, shooting some in the back, because he thought they were going for their guns. He ambushed two others from the all-white hunting party -- including a woman -- who arrived on the scene on an all-terrain vehicle.
"I did what I had to do to defend myself," Vang testified on Thursday. He said he had been in the National Guard in California, and was an experienced hunter.
Two other hunters who were wounded by Vang testified it was Vang who fired first after being scolded by one of the owners of the land and told to stay off private property. Vang was discovered in a tree stand, used as a perch to hunt deer.
"He was called names and that's wrong, but it's not unlawful. It did not interfere with his person," said Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager, who helped prosecute the case.
Lautenschlager said: "Mr. Vang was not attacked. He was angry, and rightfully so. The defendant had no actual belief he was in imminent danger of death or bodily harm, not when he chased down all the victims."
Many Hmong hunt, as they did in their native land, which has resulted in clashes with white hunters. There have been complaints that Hmong routinely trespass on private lands and shoot more game than allowed. Vang himself was ticketed once for shooting too many deer.
The Hmong hill people of Southeast Asia were enlisted by the United States to fight against the Communists in Laos during the Vietnam War era. They were persecuted after the war, and many made their way to refugee camps and then to the United States. Roughly 100,000 settled in Wisconsin and Minnesota. One of the largest concentrations of Hmong immigrants is in St. Paul.
[B]Vang's attorney told the jury no one could prove who had fired first and that the case was entirely about the climate of racism that put his client in fear for his life.[/B]
[B]"Chai Soua Vang, like anyone else, has no duty to retreat if he finds himself in a situation (where he faces) great bodily harm, with death; he does not have to try to run away or outrun a bullet," attorney Steve Kohn said.
"Vang was called the most disgusting words that one human being can say to another. ... How is he to react to that?"[/B]
2005-10-16 04:37 | User Profile
screw the bastid. down the memhole into the can. send his family back, even his ole man the general.