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Thread ID: 20075 | Posts: 22 | Started: 2005-09-07
2005-09-07 22:13 | User Profile
More nonsense in New Orleans! "Police Step Up Evacuation"
Why the hell are they making people leave if their house in dry. The water is being drained at a hight rate of speed. It is time to start cleaning the the city up not leave.
[QUOTE]Police Step Up Evacuation of New Orleans
By SHARON COHEN, AP National Writer 59 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - Using friendly persuasion backed by the threat of force, police and soldiers went house to house Wednesday to try to coax the last 10,000 or so stubborn holdouts to leave storm-shattered New Orleans because of the risk of disease from the putrid, sewage-laden floodwaters.
"A large group of young armed men armed with M-16s just arrived at my door and told me that I have to leave," said Patrick McCarty, who owns several buildings and lives in one of them in the city's Lower Garden District. "While not saying they would arrest you, the inference is clear."
A frail-looking 86-year-old Anthony Charbonnet grumbled as he locked his front door and walked slowly backward down the steps of the house where he had lived since 1955.
"I haven't left my house in my life," he said as soldiers took him to a helicopter. "I don't want to leave."
Mayor C. Ray Nagin ordered law officers and the military late Tuesday to evacuate all holdouts ââ¬â by force if necessary. He warned that the combination of fetid water, fires and natural gas leaks after Hurricane Katrina made it too dangerous to stay.
In fact, the first government tests confirmed Wednesday that the amount of sewage-related bacteria in the floodwaters is at least 10 times higher than acceptable safety levels. And health officials said at least four people may have died of a waterborne bacterial infection circulating in Katrina's floodwaters.
Dr. Julie Gerberding, chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned stragglers not to even touch the water and pleaded: "If you haven't left the city yet, you must do so."
As of midday, there were no reports of anyone being removed by force. And it was not clear how the order would be carried out.
Active-military troops said they had no plans to use force. National Guard officers said they do not take orders from the mayor. And even the police said they were not ready to use force just yet. It appeared that the mere threat of force would be the first option.
"We have thousands of people who want to voluntarily evacuate at this time," Police Chief Eddie Compass said. "Once they are all out, then we'll concentrate our forces on mandatory evacuation."
Mindful of the bad publicity that could result from images of weary residents dragged out of their homes at gunpoint, Compass said that when his officers start using force, it will be the minimum amount necessary.
"If you are somebody who is 350 pounds, it will obviously take more force to move you than if you are 150 pounds," the chief said.
The stepped-up evacuation came as workers trying to get into the city to restart essential services came under sniper fire. More than 100 officers and seven armored personnel carriers captured a suspect in a housing project who had been firing on workers trying to restore cell phone towers, authorities said.
"These cell teams are getting fire on almost a daily basis, so we needed to get in here and clean this thing up," said Capt. Jeff Winn, commander of the police SWAT team. "We're putting a lot of people on the street right now and I think that we are bringing it under control. Eight days ago this was a mess. Every day is getting a little bit better."
The police chief boasted that 7,000 more military, police and other law officers on the streets had made New Orleans "probably the safest city in America right now."
Across miles of ravaged neighborhoods of clapboard houses, grand estates and housing projects, workers struggled to find and count corpses sniffed out by cadaver dogs in the 90-degree heat. The mayor has said New Orleans' death toll could reach 10,000. Already, a temporary warehouse morgue in rural St. Gabriel that had been prepared to take 1,000 bodies was being readied to handle 5,000.
The enormity of the disaster came ever-clearer in neighboring St. Bernard Parish, which was hit by a levee break that brought a wall of water up to 20 feet high. State Rep. Nita Hutter said 30 people died at a flooded nursing home in Chalmette when the staff left the elderly residents behind in their beds. And Rep. Charlie Melancon said more than 100 people died at a dockside warehouse while they waited for rescuers to ferry them to safety.
The floodwaters continued to recede, though slowly, with only 23 of the city's normal contingent of 148 pumps in operation, along with three portable pumps.
Because of the standing water, doctors were being urged to watch for diarrheal illnesses caused by such things as E. coli bacteria, certain viruses, and a type of cholera-like bacteria common along the warm Gulf Coast.
Patricia Kelly was driven out of her home by flooding in the low-lying Ninth Ward and took up residence under a tattered, dirty green-and-white-striped patio umbrella in front of an abandoned barber shop. Despite the warnings, she refused to leave.
"We're surviving every day, trying to tolerate the situation by the grace of God. He's keeping us holding on just one day at a time," she said. "I'm going to stay as long as the Lord says so. If they come with a court order, then we'll leave."
Sgt. Joseph Boarman of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, whose soldiers helped coax people from their homes, said he could almost understand the reluctance to leave: "It's their home. You know how hard it is to leave home, no matter what condition it's in."
Dolores Devron lashed out in anger as soldiers led her and her husband, Forcell, out of their flooded home.
"There are dead babies tied to poles and they're dragging us out and leaving the dead babies. That ain't right!" she screamed, waving her arms as she was directed onto a troop carrier truck.
In the high and dry French Quarter, 48-year-old Jack Jones said he would resist if authorities tried to force him out of the home where he has lived since the 1970s.
While the streets were strewn with garbage, rotting food and downed power lines, Jones kept his block pristine, sweeping daily, spraying for mosquitoes and even pouring bleach down drains to kill germs.
Jones said the sick, the elderly and people who lack supplies should be evacuated ââ¬â but not folks like him. He has 15 cases of drinking water, a generator, canned ravioli, wine, coffee and three cartons of Marlboros.
"I've got everything I need," he said. "I just want to be left alone."
At the Superdome, which became a symbol of Katrina's misery after it was left in tatters by both the storm and some 30,000 refugees, managers said no decision has been made on whether to repair the building or tear it down.
It could cost at least $100 million to repair the stripped roof and other damage, but $500 million to $600 million to demolish the structure and start over.
Associated Press writers Cain Burdeau, Jerry Bodlander and Lauran Neergaard contributed to this report.[/QUOTE]
2005-09-07 22:23 | User Profile
It's true. I know a couple of people who went back in from Alexandria, found their house (along Jeff Highway) dry, undamaged outside of a few loose shingles, and with both running water and power, yet they were still asked to leave the city.
2005-09-07 23:34 | User Profile
Perhaps the feds are going to wire everyone's houses up for a little "Homeland Security" recon.:shocking:
2005-09-07 23:39 | User Profile
Maybe its a crime prevention measure.
2005-09-08 00:10 | User Profile
I wouldnt want to return with all the various nasties floating in and around the water. That whole place is sure to be micro-organisms heaven for months to come. Ecolli from the sewers, oil, chemical spills etc. Underground toxic waste dumps...oh my, what a dung hole :dung:
Just coming in contact (as in wading through it) with water that has some of the nasties in it can get you infected.
Its a tough call though if a person owns property there. Then again, I would hope that I would have had the good sense to get out of little africa long ago.
2005-09-08 00:14 | User Profile
You know we have these kids enrolled in our schools now. No immunizations (not that illegals have vacinations either, but they haven't trudged through toxic gumbo), hopefully there will be no outbreaks of typhoid.
2005-09-08 00:16 | User Profile
While I think those who stay in NO with such filthy conditions surrounding them are making a mistake (unless they have a good reason), no one has any right to tell them to leave their own homes. This is yet another example of government overstepping its bounds and violating the basic freedoms that Americans are supposed to have.
2005-09-08 00:39 | User Profile
Home owners living in their houses is the best crime prevention measure. Many of these houses are high and dry. The sewage is harmless as long as you do not drink it or roll around it. Anyway the water level is going down about half the city is dry. Would you rather sell some sewage or have your house looted and burned to the ground?
I am getting sick of this nonsense! They need to get the roads clear, get the power on, and start clearning up the mess. These so-called New Orleans "refugees" should be shipped back New Orleans given a shovel and be put to work cleaning up the city.
2005-09-08 00:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I am getting sick of this nonsense! They need to get the roads clear, the power on, and start clearning up the mess. These so-called New Orleans "refugees" should be shipped back New Orleans given a shovel and be put to work cleaning up the city[/QUOTE]
Faust, this what would happen in a sensible society, hence, the social engineers aided by the Clouseau Administration are hell bent on spreading the misery to still functioning areas of this nation.
2005-09-08 03:47 | User Profile
Blond Knight,
You are right. These so-called New Orleans "refugees" are going to be causing trouble all over the US. These troops armed men armed with M-16s should be hunting street gangs not driving home owners from their houses. And if there are no more looters to shoot they should put away their M-16s and pick up a shovel and get to work rather than goofing off.
Some thoughts from Robert E. Lee in 1865:
[QUOTE]Gen. Robert E. Lee:
"Work is what we now require. Work by everybody and work especially by white hands."
"I have always observed that wherever you find the Negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the white man, you see everything around him improving."
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2005-09-08 14:57 | User Profile
There's a public health risk associated from being anywhere near the city.
I understand that there have been a few cases of cholera. That stuff spreads fast.
Everybody needs to leave.
2005-09-08 15:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]There's a public health risk associated from being anywhere near the city.
I understand that there have been a few cases of cholera. That stuff spreads fast.
Everybody needs to leave.[/QUOTE] I think that "when you have nothing, you have nothing to lose" leaves some folks with the thought, particularly if all they have is a damaged roof and low prospects, that even a wet house and little hope beats becoming a hobo.
I thank God I am not in that position.
AE
2005-09-09 00:54 | User Profile
Today on CNN they showed some old white man in combat gear and a Confederate 1st national flag claiming if they tried to haul him off, there would be fireworks. He had what looked like a rifle and the camera panned down to show is sidearm. All i could think to myself was - get out of little africa before its too late.
2005-09-09 00:59 | User Profile
I saw a pic a couple of days ago of a white couple standing in front of their brick house. If not for nigger looters, they would evacuate.
2005-09-09 04:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]I wouldnt want to return with all the various nasties floating in and around the water. That whole place is sure to be micro-organisms heaven for months to come. Ecolli from the sewers, oil, chemical spills etc. Underground toxic waste dumps...oh my, what a dung hole :dung:
Just coming in contact (as in wading through it) with water that has some of the nasties in it can get you infected.
[/QUOTE]What get's me is they're dumping all this stuff in Lake Pontchatran. How do they get away with that?
They ought to declare the whole city a Superfund site, and not do anything till they've prepared an Environmental Impact Statement.
2005-09-09 04:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I saw a pic a couple of days ago of a white couple standing in front of their brick house. If not for nigger looters, they would evacuate.[/QUOTE]Shute I wouldn't want to leave my house in New Orleans, unless I was sure I was the last one.
And you know the way those cops work. You think they're going to go after duh brutha's and gang bangers with the M-16's first?
At least they got the National Guard in. Better than that god-awful New Orleans PD. I can understand why people were reluctant to evacuate at first. Leaving those guys in charge - talk about putting the fox in charge of the chicken-coop. :afro: :afro:
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2005-09-09 04:40 | User Profile
I hope all the fudge-packers that managed to survive the storm, stay in new orleans, invite all their "fwiends" and dance in the street with their shirts off while the disease-carrying mosquitos take aim. They should have a beach party complete with pink flamingos along the flooded streets well into the night. No-seeums love to come out after dark. Bzzzzzzz The gators and mocasins could join in the fun too.
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2005-09-09 05:47 | User Profile
I would not say these people ââ¬Ånothing to lose." They have house in one piece and itââ¬â¢s contents. Leaving it to be looted and burned down does not appeal to me. Some of these people have dry houses.
As il ragno said: [QUOTE]It's true. I know a couple of people who went back in from Alexandria, found their house (along Jeff Highway) dry, undamaged outside of a few loose shingles, and with both running water and power, yet they were still asked to leave the city.[/QUOTE]
Many Cities dump water from their sewers in lakes and rivers all the time. Rain water goes into street drains and overflows into rivers mixing with sewage. The flood waters in New Orleans are likely cleaner than the rivers in many countries. You get cholera by drinking dirty water.
In 1900 I bet people would already be in the streets cleaning up the mess.
2005-09-09 14:02 | User Profile
Good piont, why lose what little one does have thanks to the paternalistic government's incompetence? I stand corrected. :cool:
AE
[QUOTE=Faust]I would not say these people ââ¬Ånothing to lose." They have house in one piece and itââ¬â¢s contents. Leaving it to be looted and burned down does not appeal to me. Some of these people have dry houses.
In 1900 I bet people would already be in the streets cleaning up the mess.[/QUOTE]
2005-09-09 17:04 | User Profile
There are "dead babies tied to poles"?
2005-09-10 07:43 | User Profile
Feric Jaggar,
Good to see you again.
2005-09-10 08:04 | User Profile
Of course Jewish liberal jouranlists are on the talk shows avoiding the bad behaviour of blacks. Well, these liberals helped cultivate it all didn't they ? :wallbash: