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Thread ID: 20055 | Posts: 18 | Started: 2005-09-07
2005-09-07 00:46 | User Profile
[url]http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/harnessing_weather.html[/url]
2005-09-07 03:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales][url]http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/harnessing_weather.html[/url][/QUOTE] I'm sure it does, I've read about it. I think liability concerns pretty much have been in the forefront of reasons why it hasn't been actively progressed.
2005-09-07 04:25 | User Profile
JoseyWales,
[I]Does weather manipulation technology exist?[/I]
I would say no.
Tesla played around with idea and the US Army did built some of his machines. The US Army did manage to send electricity from Alaska to satellite in orbit and then to a US Air base in Japan. I suppose they decided this was not cost effective. It was interesting but did not develop anything practical for the most part.
High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program[/url]
2005-09-07 05:39 | User Profile
There's absolutely zero chance that any government possesses technology that's capable of altering the weather to an extent where it could be used as a weapon (e.g., by creating a hurricane).
The amount of energy that would be required to create a large wind storm like a hurricane would be equivalent to many nuclear bombs. Even if that weren't an obstacle, the energy would also have to be applied very precisely and probably continuously in order to keep "feeding" the storm and to offset unwanted atmospheric interference that would tend to disrupt the artificial storm. And even if that were possible (it isn't), such an enormous project would be very easily detectable to the rest of the world.
Some might argue that manipulation could be used to create a "seed" storm that would then grow much larger, but again, that wouldn't work because the natural weather patterns would tend to disrupt the artificial storm as it was growing. And then there's the issue of steering the storm to where you want it to hit once it's large enough. It's impossible.
Here's some more rigorous information on why hurricanes can't even be disrupted -- let alone created or steered -- by human intervention:
[url]http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html[/url]
The very benign process known as cloud seeding (to increase precipitation) is probably the extent of current weather-manipulation technology.
2005-09-07 06:51 | User Profile
Here's some more rigorous information on why hurricanes can't even be disrupted -- let alone created or steered -- by human intervention:
[url]http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html[/url]
2005-09-20 06:34 | User Profile
I suggest reading 'Angels Don't Play This HAARP' by Nick Begich. Or just looking up HAARP on the web.
2005-09-20 12:22 | User Profile
Reader's Digest had a story about weather manipulation in the eighties.
2005-09-20 13:09 | User Profile
"A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes."
What's a fully developed hurricane? Cat 5?
It seems to me that a 100-megaton nuclear bomb, releasing it's energy in moment, could overwhelm a hurricane and break it up.
2005-09-20 13:16 | User Profile
My personal thoughts on this stuff - is that the properller heads in the DOD are playing with it and probably spending large sums of money on it. Not nessecarily for weather modification, but disrupting enemy communications. However, I stop short of the tinfoil hat types that would argue that W is directly steering any/all hurricanes or natural weather patterns for some dark purpose. Fedgovinc gets too much credit for its ability. Most of the gvt couldnt find its arse if it had to.
2005-09-20 13:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Here's some more rigorous information on why hurricanes can't even be disrupted -- let alone created or steered -- by human intervention:
[url]http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html[/url][/QUOTE]This was just about one technique, using explosives. Not one of the more promising ones.
I'd read about several different techniques they were trying to weaken hurricanes using various types of seeding or similsar type chemicals, some of which looked very promising technically.
I think the real problem is political, as I said before. Hurricane modification would be a potentially great environmental disruption, one whose effects could be quite unpredictable. The disruption could also have some unintended side effects. For instance altering the intensity could alter the course as well. What if the people of NO could have blamed Katrina in part on a governmental modificaion effort gone awry? See the implications?
I just think noone right now really wants to touch it politically.
2005-09-20 14:14 | User Profile
Jeez. It's a good thing I joined this forum. You guys need paranoids like me here. I know the government has done extensive experiments on hurricanes and has admitted to actually making one stronger by mistake that struck a city afterwards. I'll look it up and post it once I get article posting priviledges.
2005-09-20 14:23 | User Profile
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the US gov. had the technology to manipulate weather phenomenon, especially hurricanes and tsunamis. Some tin foil hatters talk about so-called "chemtrails" which affect weather patterns. Think of the massive research & development projects in all the National labs in the US. What do you think they're doing there? (besides nuclear stuff)
When was the last time so many consecutive hurricanes hit in one season?
Who benefits from hurricane disasters?
2005-09-20 15:21 | User Profile
No, and I would take anything from the American Free Press with a grain of salt.
General Benton K. Parton, USAF, retired, has done a lot of research on the Oklahoma City bombing where he expressed his disbelief in the official government story. He doesn't believe in "weather weapons" either. This link below is an interview with him and 9/11. I think it is in the second hour of this broadcast where he is asked about this.
[url]http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Rick/0509/20050901_Thu_Rick.ram[/url]
2005-09-20 15:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]What if the people of NO could have blamed Katrina in part on a governmental modificaion effort gone awry? See the implications?[/QUOTE]
You think the blacks are yelling racism now. If the US government had done anything to try to change the storm's strength or direction, 90% of American blacks would be 100% sure it was attempted genocide.
2005-09-20 17:36 | User Profile
Here is a very general article on HAARP.
[url]http://www.haarp.net/[/url]
2005-09-23 03:28 | User Profile
Here's an article that addresses some of the points made in this thread:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9440978/[/url]
2005-09-23 16:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Here's an article that addresses some of the points made in this thread:
[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9440978/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9440978/[/url][/QUOTE] My brain is about to explode. The HAARP web site had an interesting summary, the HAARP book is hopefully at the local used book store. Looks interesting.
Bottom line is: don't mess with Mother Nature.
AE
2005-09-24 16:57 | User Profile
Since Farakhan came out saying that he figures Bush had something to do with NOLA being flooded, I figure we can attribute this to him as retribution.
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[size=+2]Rita Hits Near Civil War Battleground[/size] [size=-1]By The Associated Press The Associated Press Saturday, September 24, 2005; 10:12 AM [/size]
-- Hurricane Rita came ashore Saturday just east of Sabine Pass, Texas, home to a Civil War battleground and a town that was nearly destroyed by a hurricane over a century ago.
In 1886, a hurricane destroyed much of the town of Sabine Pass, killing 86 people. Major storms hit again in 1900 and 1915.
Sabine Pass was annexed by Port Arthur in 1978, and about 1,500 people lived in the community in the early 1980s.
The Sabine Pass Battleground State Park & Historic Site commemorates a battle in 1863, when the U.S. Navy tried to invade Confederate Texas. The Navy wanted access to the rail center of Houston, but was stopped by Lt. Dick Dowling of the Confederate Army and 46 of his men, according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department Web site.
Sabine Pass also is the birthplace of J.P. Richardson Jr., "The Big Bopper," who died in a plane crash along with Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens in 1959. Two years earlier, he recorded his most famous song, "Chantilly Lace."
On the Net:
The Sabine Pass Battleground State Park:
[url="http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/sabine_pass_battleground"]http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/sabine_pass_battleground[/url]