← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Walter Yannis
Thread ID: 20019 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2005-09-05
2005-09-05 15:48 | User Profile
I'm in a discussion with the author of an article published on Catholic Exchange, stating that the problem of the NOLA mobs was due to fatherless families, and making no mention of the racial angle.
You may find this interesting. The thread will likely be pulled, so best to check it out now! The name of the article is "The Soft Underbelly."
[url]http://www.catholicexchange.com/messageboard/docs/viewtopic.asp?mbid=5&DocumentID=6954[/url]
Try this link, I think it'll take you there directly.
[url]http://www.catholicexchange.com/messageboard/docs/viewtopic.asp?mbid=5&DocumentID=6954[/url]
Also, the author is discussing her article now at Free Republic here:
[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477694/posts[/url]
2005-09-05 16:29 | User Profile
Walter,
Great job with your post on Catholic Exchange. If we are going to find a way out of the hell that is staring us in the face, we will need a lot of intelligent discourse on this subject as you have just demonstrated in your excellent post.
I tip my glass of Leinenkugel's to you sir.
:cheers:
2005-09-05 16:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Walter,
Great job with your post on Catholic Exchange. If we are going to find a way out of the hell that is staring us in the face, we will need a lot of intelligent discourse on this subject as you have just demonstrated in your excellent post.
I tip my glass of Leinenkugel's to you sir.
:cheers:[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kind words.
How do you know about Leinenkugel's?
That's a very local Wisconsin brand, at least it was when I was a kid. Is Leini's national now?
2005-09-05 16:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE]How do you know about Leinenkugel's?
That's a very local Wisconsin brand, at least it was when I was a kid. Is Leini's national now?[/QUOTE]
Was visiting some friends in an adjacent state & they had Leini's. Dang but if that isn't some fine beer!
2005-09-05 17:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Was visiting some friends in an adjacent state & they had Leini's. Dang but if that isn't some fine beer![/QUOTE]
It sure is. A real local treat. Leinenkugel's is part and parcel of Wisconsin Cool.
Rhinelander was pretty good, too.
'Course, my drinkin' days are long gone.
2005-09-06 16:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]It sure is. A real local treat. Leinenkugel's is part and parcel of Wisconsin Cool.
Rhinelander was pretty good, too.
'Course, my drinkin' days are long gone.[/QUOTE] Walter, I am curious as to your thoughts on the last post in the linked thread where you so politely discussed the topic. Was her offering of the mixed race card on topic, had you had enough of that thread, or do you not feel comfortable discussing mixed race matters within the context of a Catholic discussion board?
The Mestizo, for example, is a mixed race hybrid, yet not a pure bred. There is then the matter of Creole and Mullatto, again, of varying mixed fractions. Merely checking "Hispanic" on a survey, for example, creates foundationally flawed data references.
Louisiana used to have laws about 3/64's versus 1/16th being the threshold for being "black." They apparently kept records. The Mormon Church keeps remarkable records of births and forebears. The Catholic Church is obviously pleased to harness a fundamentaly mixed race, if it can successfully imbue it with the Church's culture. One would think, even with the considerable infusion of pagan strains into Latin American Catholicism over the years, that culture would be a unifying and beneficial, not to mention powerful, influence. Is the problem then that there are not enough Catholic blacks?
Given the racial mixing that continues to go on, regardless of one's opinion of it, how valid are various studies' data, if none are correctable for "knowing how black is black, how white is white, how Asian is Asian, how Indian is Indian, how pure is pure?"
I'll take that idea a step further, and cite the much heralded "Culture of Critique" as a point well chosen on this board for the significant power of culture in success and group behavior.
How do you square what appears to be two contradictory points of view on the nurture, nature, and the weighting of the two?
AE
2005-09-07 00:52 | User Profile
[color=#1f5081]> "The covenant with Noah remains in force during the times of the Gentiles, UNTIL the universal proclamation of the Gospel.[Cf. Gen 9:16 ; Lk 21:24 ; DV 3.] [/color]
She has you there, Walter.
There is no Christian defense of racialism, to my knowledge, that can't be countered with [color=darkred]"in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek." [/color][color=darkred]Not even Matthew 15:26.[/color]
[color=#8b0000]You're fighting a battle that can't be won. The old-time religion is now 'heresy.' [/color]
2005-09-07 05:58 | User Profile
A good effort, Walter, but I am not sure that there is material over there willing or even capable of absorbing your stuff, let alone appreciating it.
The authorââ¬â¢s admission that she has a biracial daughter marks her as not convertible, ever. Naturally no parent will field ideas which hint of an uncertain status for their off-springs, but for the uncompromised others, hope springs eternal.
Since the criticism coming your way, apart from the ââ¬Ånutââ¬Â variety, is that you offer no constructive solution, how about (if I may be so bold and offer advice) you dangle in front of them the one thing that by virtue of their common set of beliefs they ought not take for granted, namely, the possibility of saving future souls. Ask how many lives were lost because a sizable portion of the police walked off the job just when they were needed the most. Ask about the qualifications of the mulatto Mayor who thinks helping constituents means regular sob sessions in front the camera and microphone. (So sad about them school buses)
Are there lessons here for future disasters? Perhaps a critical mass of non-black policemen is a requisite if some semblance of order is to be maintained when a population is stressed. Perhaps those affirmative action appointments are not such a good idea when it comes to positions of responsibility. Who after all would argue against measures guaranteed to save lives?
I see there is the usual fanatical resistance to suggestion of different IQs among races. Quantifiable results derived from examining groups are thought to be negated by personal experiences and revelation of IQ inferiority vis-à-vis "some" blacks. Bizarre. Iââ¬â¢m beginning to think that such people ought to stay away from discussing IQ, period. But perhaps a diagram of two imperfectly overlapping bell curves will help with focus.
Then, if all else fails, ask what sort of a state of mind is required to fire on rescuers with the intent of motivating them to cease helping others and come and rescue ME THE SHOOTER FIRST, incident that was according to some reports witnessed around [I]every[/I] hospital in the city.
Anyway, itââ¬â¢s your show, do provide updates/entertainment.
2005-09-07 08:13 | User Profile
[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=DarkRed][B][I] - "There is no Christian defense of racialism, to my knowledge, that can't be countered with "in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek." [/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
You are grievously wrong, for if that verse is interpreted in the sense that modern anti-racists want to interpret it, it would actually lead to [B]neo-Gnosticism[/B] - the idea that fleshly qualities (like race or sex) have no meaning [B]at all[/B] to a "spiritual" person.
You would do well to quote Galatians 3:28 in its entirety, for it nicely illustrates the senselessness of literal interpretation: [I] ""There is neither Jew nor Greek, [U]there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female[/U]: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.""[/I]
Do you honestly believe that Paul was teaching that sexes were totally irrelevant distinctions among Christians? Moreover, as any outraged liberal will be ready to tell you, Paul approved the institution of slavery ("bond nor free").
May I guide you to this acticle for more material on this issue:
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]Raping Sacred Scripture - The Violation of Galatians 3:28[/SIZE][/COLOR]
[url]http://littlegeneva.com/gal328.html[/url]
(Excerpt)
[COLOR=RoyalBlue]"Dr. R.J. Rushdoony in Law and Society clearly noted, "[B]Scripture gives no justification for an equalitarian order, and it also gives no ground whatsoever for an elitist order. Only a godly order established in terms of ... Scripture[/B]." And then he remarked, "[B]Both equalitarianism and elitism are in essence contemptuous of man in the name of man[/B]. The elitist despises the majority of men, and the equalitarian despises all able and independent men, but, in essence, both despise all men as men and love rather their idea of men, not man himself in singular.""[/COLOR]
Petr
2005-09-07 09:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Anyway, itââ¬â¢s your show, do provide updates/entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Stanley, for your insightful comments.
2005-09-07 19:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][font=Georgia][color=darkred] - [/color][/font]
May I guide you to this acticle for more material on this issue:
[color=red][size=4]Raping Sacred Scripture - The Violation of Galatians 3:28[/size][/color]
[url="http://littlegeneva.com/gal328.html"]http://littlegeneva.com/gal328.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, Petr.
Verses (Gal 3:28, for example) removed from context are easier to remember and cite when justifying one's beliefs and behavior. Given how often this has happened to me and others it would seem that few Christians read the Bible or reflect upon its meaning. The false Christianity of the Judaizers in the pulpit may be the undoing of the White man.
2005-09-08 11:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Glen][color=#1f5081][/color]
She has you there, Walter.
There is no Christian defense of racialism, to my knowledge, that can't be countered with [color=darkred]"in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek." [/color][color=darkred]Not even Matthew 15:26.[/color]
[color=#8b0000]You're fighting a battle that can't be won. The old-time religion is now 'heresy.' [/color][/QUOTE]
That's wrong, Glen.
Articles 56 - 58 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church mandate ethnically pure nation states.
See my letter to VDARE here:
[url]http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_123001.htm[/url]
2005-09-08 13:31 | User Profile
Great job with your post, Walter! But it is still discouraging to me no matter how much logic and facts you use to appeal to a person and no matter how much you tear down their premises, they still cling to their suppositions. How does one fight cognitive dissonance? I often feel that the more I win exchanges like you engaged in I lose. They end more like the one you engaged in, when I people avoid responding to my premises and often get angry, no matter who respectful I try to be. Do you have any advice for us?
2005-09-08 16:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Great job with your post, Walter! But it is still discouraging to me no matter how much logic and facts you use to appeal to a person and no matter how much you tear down their premises, they still cling to their suppositions. How does one fight cognitive dissonance? I often feel that the more I win exchanges like you engaged in I lose. They end more like the one you engaged in, when I people avoid responding to my premises and often get angry, no matter who respectful I try to be. Do you have any advice for us?[/QUOTE] No, I really don't know how to deal with people who can't follow an argument.
On the Catholic Exchange thread the author, Mary, really can't follow an argument from premise to conclusion. For her, feeling and reason are inseparable. The fact that her daughter is bi-racial and on her way to Iraq had, to her mind, some direct relation to the topic under discussion. The author is a woman, and this inability to separate reason from emotion is typical of women, so I really don't hold it against her.
Sammy on that thread is a man (I think), but he also has a hard time divorcing intellect from feeling and naturally tends toward ad hominem arguments. There's not much you can do with a guy like Sammy, because he lacks the intellect for a genuine search for the truth. For guys with middling intelligence like Sammy, truth isn't something that is discovered through the application of cold reason to facts, it is rather something that is arrived at by consensus. Sammy is very concerned with status, and for him the main thing is not to hold any opinion that would class him with disfavored, low-status groups. Since years of public education propaganda causes him to unthinkingly associate any nonegalitarian "racist" argument with low-status persons, he rejects any argument to the contrary out of hand.
There are a couple of others on that thread who do have the intellect and the dedication to engage in fruitful discussion. I'm in the thing for for them.
My brother falls into that category. We've been around and around these issues, and he knows it's all right, but his thing is that it does him no good to hold such opinions, much less express them openly, and so he chooses not to think about it. And he gets mad if I bring it up.
Orwell wrote in 1984 that the best we can hope for is to spread the sphere of sanity a little bit, through person-to-person contact. That's our job. Just keep at it.
We'll get there.
They'll hear it when they're ready, and not a second before then.