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2005-09-04 12:11 | User Profile
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2005-09-04 12:18 | User Profile
Hold New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin Accountable
By: jmsierra ÷ Section: Diaries
Why is it that I don't hear anything about Nagin's lack of leadership and lack of preparation? What kind of city Mayor does not have a plan in place for this kind of thing? Specially in a city like New Orleans, being on the coast and below sea level. I know this is not the time to lay blame, but the left is sure going at it. So, I thought I would ask some tough questions. Lives are at stake. Foxnews.com is reporting that "Black Congress Members Angry At Fed Hurricane Response" and I am again, wondering why these Black Congress members are not angry at their very own black Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat at that, for his lack of leadership and planning? Why is it that this man cannot keep control of his own city? It sounds to me like all the various groups in bed with the Democratic party got together for a whine session!
Black members of Congress expressed anger Friday at what they said was a slow federal response to Hurricane Katrina (search). "It looks dysfunctional to me right now," said Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif.
She and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus (search), along with members of the Black Leadership Forum, National Conference of State Legislators, National Urban League and the NAACP (search), held a news conference and charged that the response was slow because those most affected are poor.
I lived through Andrew, and there was some looting and crime, but things did not get this out of control. It makes me wonder if there is something socially and culturally wrong with a large percent of the New Orlean's population? Well, I correct myself--is there something wrong with those people we see in the scenes on television? I know people are desperate, but lawlessness should not be a natural response! I don't care what you say, lawful civilized individuals come together, and work at getting through tough times. They don't start shooting, raping and going crazy! Of course, I know the rest of the city is not like this, and it's not all as bad as the networks are painting it to be. I would like to see the networks showing the churches, and community centers and other good people of New Orleans helping, standing together in this tough time, and holding out. I know they are there. Let me see them!
New Orleans, you are in our prayers and America does stand with you. Keep the faith and keep hope.
[url]http://jmsierra.redstate.org/story/2005/9/2/191149/5981[/url]
2005-09-04 12:21 | User Profile
but pointing out the fact that bush's administration cut the army corp of engineer's budget by 71 million (just one example) to pay for the war in iraq does imply an underlying racism that warrants a fair, critical and disgusted response and action. did bush and his cronies not know that most of the people who would be affected by a major hurricane hitting new orleans would be the poor and black? this oversight is just another in a list of many that horribly displays the shortsighted thinking of this leadership (if you can call it that) in its deficient attempt to sustain and develop a fair, accepting, tolerant and safe society.
Comment 2 posted by SactoDan on September 3, 2005 07:51 PM: Clinton killed flood control measures as well, this is not an exclusively Bush issue. The potential for disaster in NA has been known for alot longer than 6 years. The political will to do something hasn't been there. That's a responsibility to be shared amongst all the regions leaders.
Are you saying the levees would have been built-up in time for the storm if the money hadn't been reappropriated?
I think not.
Save some of your indignation for me, I live in a flood plain and the congress has refused to fund the Auburn Dam as well, leaving Sacramento probably the next most vulnerable place.
Hopefully we will never find out.
Comment 3 posted by miriam on September 3, 2005 09:44 PM: I understand that it would take 30 years to build up the levees to withstand a Force 5 hurricane. If Bush had started doing it on his first day in office, it wouldn't be done. If Clinton had started doing it on his first day in office, it still wouldn't be done.
Now, after the damage is done, it must be done.
Comment 4 posted by RedTard on September 3, 2005 10:29 PM: "The worst of America are the race-baiters and the Monday morning quarterbacks who have come out in the wake of the disaster response, even before the job is done."
I could not agree with you more. I think the liberals in this country driving the almost irrational hatred of Bush are playing with fire. I'm almost ready to see a Democrat get voted into the presidency just to cool down the rhetoric which is moving into an extremely dangerous area. While I don't believe a race/class war is imminent, some liberal extremists and politicians are certainly sowing the seeds.
Comment 5 posted by RJ on September 4, 2005 12:49 AM: There is an element in this country, maybe 10 or 20 percent, that hates Bush with such a passion, that they will blame him for every bad thing that happens.
As such, they lack any real credibility as objective observers.
This is not to say that the immediate response by the government AT ALL LEVELS doesn't deserve plenty of criticism. Because it does.
But using a natural disaster that killed thousands of Americans as an excuse to bash the President for partisan politicla purposes is beyond the pale.
[url]http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/03/154439.php[/url]
2005-09-04 12:25 | User Profile
September 02, 2005Hurricane Katrina: "It's All Bush's Fault" Says Liberals Enough already.
For all these people who wouldn't blame Clinton (or any Democrat for that matter) for his biggest self-inflicted debacles sure know how to direct blame for everything on President Bush--and whitey.
This has gone beyond absurdity, and represents a deeper problem. It's all too easy to suggest that President Bush is too blame for the levees breaking, for not funding infrastructure improvements, for this, for that. If the critics who suggest that Bush should have known about the levees, might ask why not did the cities protected by levees do anything?
They blame Bush for the economy (which is doing fine, by the way), they blame Bush for 9/11, they blame Bush every single thing that goes wrong. "He should have known!" they say, or even better, "he knew and did nothing!" It's page one of the play book.
Go ahead and continue your scapegoating, that won't change the facts. Go blame the federal government for not fully funding hurricane and flood projects in New Orleans, and feel free to continue to balk at suggesting that the state of Louisiana find the money in their budget. No one is blaming the Mayor Ray Nagin and the city of New Orleans.. of course not. That ties into the story angle with Hurricane Katrina... the race baiting. Just look at the Washington Post article that says post-Hurricane Katrina imagery is like a "desperate echo of a bygone era." I've heard black commentators and program callers on the radio all too often suggest that New Orleans is being ignored because its large black population, and are quicker than lightning to blame President Bush. No one wants to lay blame on the black mayor of New Orleans for not protecting the city that is 70% black because someone sent out the memo to blame whitey first. It's the Democrat strategy to blame everything on "racist white Republicans" so that come next election, they can coax black people into voting Democrat because those rascally Republicans are racists. Even Mayor Nagin himself lashed out whitey last night.
Nagin's interview Thursday night on WWL radio came as President Bush planned to visit Gulf Coast communities battered by Hurricane Katrina, a visit aimed at alleviating criticism that he engineered a too- little, too-late response. Bush viewed the damage while flying over the region Wednesday en route to Washington after cutting short his Texas vacation by two days.
"They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn--excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed," Nagin said.
What the hell have you done Mayor Nagin, besides bitch and whine and complain? The problem started when your gross incompetence as a leader led to the failure of local government and law enforcement to provide any assistance. The state of Louisiana has also failed, what has the state done? Did they fund any hurricane and flood protection programs? Liberal columnists already on the "blame Bush" train add Congress to their hit list, and complain about budget cuts and pork-barrel programs for "highway bill that included more than 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers." Last year, the Army Corps of Engineers sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans and Congress approved $42.2 million. Why didn't the state pick up the rest of the tab? If other government programs got more money, perhaps the Congressman from those states who benefited are just better Congressman, but no one will blame Louisiana's Congressman for not fighting for more money, and certainly no one is blaming the state legislature for not appropriate some of its $15 billion budget to subsidize the rest of the hurricane and flood programs. Nagin failed his city. The state government failed Louisiana. Once the big bad "white Republican" steps in, the scapegoating can begin.
And if it's not the relief effort they complain about, how about blaming the hurricane itself on President Bush. There is not much lower to go. These foolish attempts to blame Bush for everything are futile, and stupid. Get over it already. This is time for all of us as Americans are supposed to come together, not be driven by racism (the anti-white racism) and partisan bickering. Relief efforts are not instantaneous, and patience is required. Stop blaming Bush, stop blaming whitey, and use that energy towards the relief effort and rebuilding.
UPDATE: Patrick Ruffini has a great piece cataloging the callousness of left wing bloggers regarding Hurricane Katrina relief.
UPDATE: Drudge Report links to an aerial photo of New Orleans school buses in a flooded lot (photo mirror here) and asks "WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION, MAYOR?..." UPDATE: Jesse Jackson continues the race baiting...
Racism is partly to blame for the deadly aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, calling President Bush's response to the disaster "incompetent." "Today, as the President comes to Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi for his ceremonial trip to look at the victims of the devastation, he would do well to have a plan more significant than a ceremonial tour," Jackson said Friday.
"His whole response is unacceptable."
Bush has acknowledged that the federal response has not been acceptable, but promised that the government would get supplies to survivors and crack down on violence in New Orleans.
Jackson questioned why Bush has not named blacks to top positions in the federal response to the disaster, particularly when the majority of victims remaining stranded in New Orleans are black: "How can blacks be locked out of the leadership, and trapped in the suffering?"
"It is that lack of sensitivity and compassion that represents a kind of incompetence."
[url]http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/2005/09/katrina_bush.html[/url]
2005-09-04 12:31 | User Profile
Having formerly lived in Florida, I'm horrified by the conduct of the N.O. mayor and local government. I understand that you can't force healthy residents to evacuate 48 hours before a storm; but then again, those aren't the people who need to be evacuated 48 hours in advance. You can evacuate the elderly and people with special needs two days in advance. And you can force the evacuation of tourists in advance. At least that's what is done in Florida - they are picked up in buses and taken to Red Cross shelters outside the most dangerous area. They aren't left to their own devices in an arena or hotels in the middle of what may soon be a lake of raw sewage and worse.
Forget a trial. Let the people stuck in the Superdome dole out Nagin's punishment.
P.S. Vertical evacuation? Is he smoking crack? Or did he not see the pictures of South Dade after Hurricane Andrew?
Posted by: Lisa on August 28, 2005 09:40 PM
[url]http://www.truthlaidbear.com/archives/2005/08/28/negligent_homicide.php[/url]
2005-09-04 12:34 | User Profile
"WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION, MAYOR?... "
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015[/url]
2005-09-04 15:27 | User Profile
Never thought I'd be agreeing with Gabrielle but she has a point.
NO city govt has, for years now, been a patronage plum set aside for blacks. It's sotto-voce understood that the city govt is a cesspool of incompetence. I can understand Nagin's frustration on this past Friday morning, but that doesn't and shouldn't excuse his fatal incompetence on the Friday previous.
2005-09-04 17:13 | User Profile
Dereliction of Duty September 04, 2005 12:11 AM EST
by Bill Spadea - Along with most Americans living outside the Gulf Coast, I'm compelled to watch every news report about the misery taking place in New Orleans and the surrounding area. Mothers wading through waist deep water filled with gasoline, snakes, alligators and human corpses, attempting to move their children to dry ground leaves you almost speechless. The mere idea of a major American city being reduced to basic survival causes a reaction once reserved for catastrophes in the Third World. Americans are rightfully horrified by the tragic loss of human life in the Gulf Coast. The time has come to also be outraged by the political attacks coming from the very politicians who failed to protect the citizens in New Orleans.
Catastrophic events happen. We understand that political leaders will be judged on their reaction and ability to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
The hypocrisy of the Democratic Mayor in New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana attacking the President is incredible. I'm sure most people have now seen the photos of literally hundreds of school busses sitting under water. Why were these busses not full of residents and traveling to high ground on Saturday and Sunday? Why was an evacuation order given without providing any means of escape to those that rely entirely on public transportation?
Many people that stayed behind were not trying to brave the storm. They were stuck without any means to move their families to higher ground. The same politicians that abandoned 'the least among us' by calling for an evacuation based almost exclusively on private transportation are leading the partisan political attacks.
Reports of proposed plans that included using the rail routes and barges to remove people from low lying, flood areas have also surfaced in recent days. Why were those plans not implemented days before the storm hit? What was the specific plan for mass evacuation from every neighborhood, wealthy and poor, if the levee was breached?
How dare divisive leaders like Jesse Jackson lecture us on racism when thousands of the poorest African American residents were left behind by their own municipal government.
Contrary to the statements of the Mayor and the Governor of Louisiana, the President and other leaders are doing everything possible to clean up a mess caused by nature and exacerbated by bad decisions.
Look at the quick and efficient response from the government in Houston. Readying the Astrodome for tens of thousands on a days notice is impressive to say the least. Hot showers, meals, cots and medical care are now available to folks that have suffered incredible losses. In Mississippi, Governor Barbour has been strong in his leadership and even-tempered amidst tremendous destruction as he directs emergency response and shows the kind of on-the- ground leadership not seen since 9/11.
The time for political debate will come. For now, let's get people still in danger to safety and recover the bodies of those left behind.
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2005-09-04 17:44 | User Profile
"You can hardly blame the Bush administration for this. This has been a nightmare scenario predicted by experts for many years, and New Orleans has faced budget cuts by the Clinton Administration as well, but I'm not gonna blame him either. New Orleans was simply a disaster waiting to happen, a city that tried to tame the Mississippi River.
My problem is that the Governor of Louisiana is a damn fool for not leaving a garrison behind to secure a city that is a majority of Blacks. Once the cops were gone the looting began and the city turned into Mogadishu. The police force was just ordered back into full service duties today wasn't it? Blaming Bush for every single thing that ever happened in the world has a deligitimizing effect on any cause."
"Blame everyone, but the idiots in New Ohhhleans. If they saw the levees needed to be done. Do it.
OOOPS I'm sorry I'm asking for people to take some personal responsibility here. If they took all the money they spent on welfare, they could have done a fine job protecting New Ohhleans, but no!!!! lets play the blame game, and trump it with the race card."
"This has got to be the worst failure of the Bush Administration to date. I don't know what could top this latest neglect of responsibility. His administration so concerned with funding an unwanted "democracy" on Iraq, that he can't even spare the necessary dollars to keep a major US city from being totally devastated from a catastrophe. What the hell kind of president do we have!?"
"In short, I think he is pennywise and pound-foolish. Thousands of New Orleans residents found out just how shortsighted and incompetent this President really is. He cares only for his reputation as great leader in times of war and cares almost nothing about the great domestic problems.
I can see how black people may really start to hate Bush, as much as many whites do already when they find out who slashed the funds to strengthen their levees and which resulted in so many of their deaths.
Still, much of the cause of their pain and suffering was their own fault as well, since they've now created more havoc by shooting at the rescue operators, looting in plain sight, or displaying other violent behaviors.
I will continue to closely follow the developments of this disaster here on Stormfront and TV because there is hardly a place to hide from the entire calamity. It is affecting nearly every aspect of our lives now that gas prices are shooting almost through the roof.
They should impeach this president and make him stand trial for crimes of neglect to safeguard New Orleans (strategic for its oil refineries), lying to public to start his war in Iraq, and neglecting to secure the Mexican- American border against terrorists and undocumented workers."
2005-09-04 17:47 | User Profile
Originally Posted by Retard WhiteRights The hurricane may be a natural disaster, but most of the destruction and death in New Orleans was caused by the failures of the levees and the flooding of New Orleans by Lake Pontchartrain. Probably 90 percent of the damage and 99 percent of the deaths in New Orleans were caused by the levee failure and were preventable and were the fault of George Bush.
Frankly given Bush's war of aggression and endless deceit and the evil neocon cabal that he is part of, I would not rule out an act of God to make Bush look bad.
Even then, we've had how many "warnings" in the form of hurricanes hitting Florida and Bush would still not cough up the money to finish the levees.
"This is being taken way too far. You posted an article by James Buchanan who is blaming Bush for underfunding of the levees(along with the leftist Communists blaming Bush, I don't like siding with them). Seems Mr Buchanan changed his mind, because on August 31, 2005, just 3 days ago he posted THIS Article where he says the following:
"One additional problem with the huge Black population in New Orleans is that it vaccuumed up most of the tax money that should be going into maintaining or improving the levees that were supposed to protect the city. A USA Today article reports “Because of two levees that broke Tuesday, the city was rapidly filling with water, the governor said. She also said the power could be out for a long time, and the storm broke a major water main, leaving the city without drinkable water. Also, looting broke out in some neighborhoods.” If Louisiana did not have an enormous Black population requiring billions in government spending while paying only a fraction back in taxes, there would have been money available to improve and reinforce the levees that were supposed to protect the city. Many of our great civil engineering works will deteriorate and collapse as unmotivated and incompetent non-White political appointees replace competent Whites in key positions throughout America.
Ok, so you can see that his first article on this situation is something I'd be more willing to accept as a reasonable and smart explanation on the mess. I guess he changed his mind and saw an opportunity to attack Bush so he made this new article and sided with the Communists. What I'm getting at here is that World History did not start with GWB's presidency and WN would be better served to pick their battles more wisely. Everything I see on here always ends up with Bush being the blame. I'll blame him for poor immigration policy, and just plain cowardice in his plan of attack against Iraqi combatants etc...but blaming him for Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath is pointless and will make us appear as ignorant as the lefty commie reactionaries out there.
I'm sure no one read my first link in my earlier post here's a tidbit: "February 8, 2000
For the metropolitan New Orleans area, Clinton's budget was seen as a mixed bag by local lawmakers and government officials. For instance, while Clinton called for $1.5 billion to be spent at Avondale Industries to continue building LPD-17 landing craft, his budget calls for significantly less than what Congress appropriated last year for Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection and for West Bank flood control projects"
Now as far as not having troops around to help secure NO before this rioting began, I'm on board with applying blame to the Bush administration where necessary. Most of it falls on the Governor of Louisiana first. There's going to be plenty of blame to be spread around, I want to make sure my blame gets put on the right people.(and no my above quote does not mean I blame Clinton for this either)"
2005-09-04 17:49 | User Profile
"Bush's Negligence Destroyed New Orleans,...WHAT???
Bush's negligence had little, or nothing, to do with the weather event, a Hurricane,...a natural disaster,...that's destroyed New Orleans.
I'm not a "Dubya" fan,...didn't vote for him. Don't like him!
But, this statement is ignorance gone to seed!!!
Reflects poorly on the awareness and intelligence of American WN's!
Is Bush a juden-loving, neo-con, racial sell-out of a national leader??? Without question!
Has he led our country into an immoral, ultimately unwinnable war in Iraq. No doubt!
Has his administration's domestic policies been noted for little less than ineptness? Certainly!
Is the level of " national emergency" response been thus far, deplorable? Hell yes it has!
DID BUSH'S NEGLIGENCE DESTROY NEW ORLEANS???
HELL NO!!!
You have to give Bush more credit than he's due to even entertain such drivel. He may currently run the country,...but he doesn't control the weather. Hurricane Katrina,...destroyed New Orleans!!!
Decades long neglect of preparation for emergency, & maintenance of NO's defense, for a weather-related cat loss, bear much more fault than Bush does in this instance.
And, you know what? Maybe God Almighty decided the city of New Orleans needed a bath!!!
A USA "black city"!!! Like Memphis,...like Atlanta,...like D.C.,...like St Louis. Lack of education,...a preponderance of societal parasites,...literally generations of poverty, corruption and crime,...and no real improvement or even upward trend in the status of these same generations,...even given the massive input of political correctness, educational dumbing down & guilt fostering efforts, and the social, political, & religious control of media outlets.
No real changes!
Remove the civil authority! Remove the rules of white governamental authority. Remove the religious moral authority. Remove all sense of community pride and responsibility,...and a lack of accountability,...what do you have???
You have the current situation in New Orleans! Another historic stark example of the racial proclivity by blacks,...when social constraints are removed.
Even given his monumental leadership failures,...can't legitimately pin this one on Bush! This is just another indication of the truth of racial differences. Especially, in the context of a crisis!"
2005-09-04 17:55 | User Profile
"..press on with it, then.
Blame Bush,...villify & castigate "him" for all the current human misery in N.O.,...it's all "his" fault!
He's the anti-christ!
The prior citizens, the local, state, & federal government leadership bears no responsibility.
Neither do the inhabitants of New Orleans.
They're racial makeup clearly marks them as victims.
Victims of "white oppression."
Victims of 'white prejudice."
Victims of "President George Bush."
Whatever. Bye!"
"I really don't think it's Bush's fault. I blame the degenerates who live in the city- they are the ones doing the looting and the rioting, not the president. I think this incident is becoming to political. It was an act of nature, which led to a bunch of moronic thugs running wild. I'm not particularly surprised about all this to be perfectly honest."
2005-09-04 19:17 | User Profile
Hold on, Gabby.
Nagin deserves some blame for not making every effort to get people out of there in a timely manner. But Bush and his cronies [u]undeniably[/u] helped destroy that city, their guns-and-butter-both-for-Iraq budget cuts doomed that place long before Katrina made landfall.
I should've known you'd never take [I]any [/I] policy or politician to task without it being a cover to shoehorn in another blanket amnesty for the Chimp.
2005-09-04 19:18 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
You are Right. I am not a fan of Bush, but this is not Bush's Fault. It for the most part the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana that did everything wrong. And main problem is savage Afros running wild. This kind of thing did not happen in Florida.
2005-09-04 19:33 | User Profile
Oh, Bush will get his second wind. The longer people focus on [I]looting boolies[/I], the better he'll come off once the heat starts coming down on him. People can't visualize a policy failure or a budget cut, but crazy-ass nigras leave an indelible imprint.
But that doesn't mean his policy failures won't cost us much much more than a week of looting restricted to a suddenly-inaccessible swamped city will. They have and will continue.
Those ten or fifteen million 'undocumented' buddies of Bush's who've been stealing jobs, spiking up crime and draining social services will sure come in handy now...with over a million native-born refugees suddenly on hand.
2005-09-04 20:58 | User Profile
il ragno,
Sadly you are right! [QUOTE=il ragno]Oh, Bush will get his second wind. The longer people focus on [I]looting boolies[/I], the better he'll come off once the heat starts coming down on him. People can't visualize a policy failure or a budget cut, but crazy-ass nigras leave an indelible imprint.
But that doesn't mean his policy failures won't cost us much much more than a week of looting restricted to a suddenly-inaccessible swamped city will. They have and will continue.
Those ten or fifteen 'undocumented' buddies of Bush's who've been stealing jobs, spiking up crime and draining social services will sure come in handy now...with over a million native-born refugees suddenly on hand.[/QUOTE]
But one hopes this mess will bring home the point that Afros are savages to few people.
2005-09-05 00:05 | User Profile
Thought I'd help Bush's speechwriter out a bit:
There are laws of our race, old before this Republic was born in the souls of white freemen. The fiat of fools has repealed on paper these laws. Your fathers who created this Nation were first Conspirators, then Revolutionists, now Patriots and Saints. I need to-night ten volunteers to lead the coming clansmen over this county and disarm every negro in it. The men from North Carolina cannot be recognised. Each of you must run this risk. Your absence from home to-night will be doubly dangerous for what will be done here at this negro armory under my command. I ask of these ten men to ride their horses until dawn, even unto death, to ride for their God, their native land, and the womanhood of the South!
(From [url]http://www.blackmask.com/books107c/clansm.htm[/url])
Oh wait, in that story the Republicans are the bad guys.
2005-09-05 03:58 | User Profile
Macrobius,
A great Post!