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2005-09-03 09:55 | User Profile
[url=http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html ][B]The Dark Side of Black People[/B][/url]
Posted on September 2, 2005
Leighton Levy, Jamaica Star, Sept. 2 [img]http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/Images/FROM%20MY%20NOTEBOOK%20(NEW).JPG[/img]
Let me start by saying that if I had my life to live over a thousand times, the one thing I would not change would be my race. I am proud to be a black man. There are times however, when I wish that certain people and I did not share that trait.
For the past few days, the whole world ââ¬Â¦ well, at least those who have access to satellite and cable television, have been seeing pictures of the virtually total devastation of the cities of the U.S. Gulf Coast by Hurricane Katrina. An estimated 90 per cent of homes in New Orleans have been destroyed by flood waters and more than 100 people have been confirmed dead.
We see people standing on the roofs of their submerged homes desperate to be rescued, others being airlifted to safety, and we have heard tear-jerking stories of families losing their loved ones. But in all of this, we have also seen the really dark side of black people.
The day after the hurricane passed, there were reports of looting but network reporters had been saying that people were looting out of desperation, in search of food and water. [u]A lot they knew[/u].
The pictures I have been seeing are of peopleââ¬âblack peopleââ¬âstealing shoes, diapers, and television sets. Not food and definitely not water. Not unless the armfuls of clothing, shoes, and appliances I see people wading through the streets with count as food and water.
Now, if all the looters were looting out of desperation, how desperate were the guy and girls I saw toting several boxes of size 13 Nikes? How desperate was the fellow with the stack of diapers? What, is it that he has several babies at home suffering from loose bowels? What am I talking about, what home? Everything is under water and what isnââ¬â¢t, has been totally destroyed.
Plasma TV?
And just what are those guys stealing the plasma television sets going to be watching when there is no power in the entire city?
Desperation? Yeah, right. [color=#FF0000]I am beginning to believe that black people, no matter where in the world they are, are cursed with a [u]genetic predisposition[/u] to steal, murder, and create mayhem.[/color]
The entire firearm department at a Wal-Mart department store, for example, was cleaned out and the looters used the stolen weapons to rob people. How low is that? Everybody is suffering and the black people would seek to rob people who are suffering just like themselves.
No white looters?
And it has nothing to do with poverty. [u]Where are the white people in all this[/u]? I am sure there are poor white people living in New Orleans, Biloxi and the other towns affected by what has been going on. Is it that the media are not showing pictures of them looting and robbing? [color=#FF0000]Or is it that they are too busy trying to stay alive, waiting to be rescued, [u]and hiding from the blacks[/u].[/color]
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing, wouldnââ¬â¢t it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones doing it.
Just once, I would like for us blacks to take the high road in situations like this, [u]where instead of showing our darkest side, we put our best foot forward[/u]. But I guess that would be too much to ask, too much of a case of wishful thinking.
2005-09-03 10:31 | User Profile
Dang.
Don't hear that every day.
2005-09-03 11:05 | User Profile
Don't hear that every day. No kidding!
2005-09-03 12:04 | User Profile
:shocking: Wow.
2005-09-03 12:17 | User Profile
I hope he is prepared to be called an "Uncle Tom" by the so-called "civil rights activists". :afro:
2005-09-03 12:45 | User Profile
Such brutal honesty is greatly admirable. The demoliberal American system seems to soften and degenerate all races.
2005-09-03 13:06 | User Profile
It is inconceivable that a stranded white crowd would turn on the few blacks, beat them, rape them, kill them. It just wouldn't happen.
A race of children? It's on display. Their mayor is coming unglued, having a public tantrum. It doesn't occur to him that if he has nothing useful to offer in a situation that is clearly beyond his powers, he should step aside and keep quiet.
2005-09-03 13:51 | User Profile
Except for the part about the diapers. It is perfectly reasonable to grab those things.
2005-09-03 14:06 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "It is inconceivable that a stranded white crowd would turn on the few blacks, beat them, rape them, kill them. It just wouldn't happen."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
What about the NY Draft Riots in 1863?
Petr
2005-09-03 14:46 | User Profile
Good point, Petr.
But these looters should be shot on sight, as the Draft Rioters were.
We haven't yet learned the true extent of the jungle lawlessness of the Katrina aftermath. Wait a few weeks and months, when the survivors and the individual Guard members begin telling their stories. Under ordinary circumstances, they'd be shouted down as racists and threatened with the usual punitive social-control measures....but I think this time it will be different. The Democrats will be in an iinteresting dilemna: if they close ranks around 'racism' as usual, they'll end up sewing legs back on to a GOP that's now reeling, punchdrunk, in its own criminal ineptitude.
2005-09-03 14:51 | User Profile
Being a black myself, the saddest aspect of this article is that I agree with every word of it. :sad:
2005-09-03 14:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "It is inconceivable that a stranded white crowd would turn on the few blacks, beat them, rape them, kill them. It just wouldn't happen."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
What about the NY Draft Riots in 1863?
Petr[/QUOTE]
In history yes, but not today. It is indeed unlikely that a white crowd would turn into a mob and murder innocent blacks, at least in America.
2005-09-03 16:44 | User Profile
One of the most unfortunate things is that about 20 to 30% of that black crowd are as decent and good as human being get. The problem is, 5 to 10% are inclined toward mayhem and violence, and 60-75% are indifferent to the point of condoning about the violence committed by the 5-10%. I would say in a white crowd there would be about 5% (white trash types) inclined toward violence and mayhem, but unlike blacks there would be a large percentage of the white population condoning this.
2005-09-03 16:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][font=Arial][color=purple] - "It is inconceivable that a stranded white crowd would turn on the few blacks, beat them, rape them, kill them. It just wouldn't happen."[/color][/font]
What about the NY Draft Riots in 1863?
Petr[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a crowd and mob. We are talking about crowds here in the New Orleans situation.
2005-09-03 17:03 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "There's a difference between a crowd and mob."[/B][/I][/COLOR][/FONT]
With all respect PaleoBear, that sounds like semantic sophistry.
Petr
2005-09-03 17:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=PaleoBear]One of the most unfortunate things is that about 20 to 30% of that black crowd are as decent and good as human being get. The problem is, 5 to 10% are inclined toward mayhem and violence, and 60-75% are indifferent to the point of condoning about the violence committed by the 5-10%. I would say in a white crowd there would be about 5% (white trash types) inclined toward violence and mayhem, but unlike blacks there would be a large percentage of the white population condoning this.[/QUOTE]
Where do you get these percentages? Has there been a census conducted amongst the NOLA aboriginals? Have they been concocted by some judeo-neocon information agency? Or, did you just make them up knowing that blacks are "just folks" and Whites are no better than anybody else? Also,why do you say that a large part of the White population would condone such behavior?
2005-09-03 17:15 | User Profile
I think this definition was explained to me in James Surowiecki's The Wisdom of the Crowds, or maybe a discussion of it on NPR or some other radio show. The people gathered at the Superdome or Convention Center were a crowd because they were merely a representitive part of the larger population and their assembly was not the result of some unifying intention or the like.
2005-09-03 17:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Where do you get these percentages? Has there been a census conducted amongst the NOLA aboriginals? Have they been concocted by some judeo-neocon information agency? Or, did you just make them up knowing that blacks are "just folks" and Whites are no better than anybody else? Also,why do you say that a large part of the White population would condone such behavior?[/QUOTE] I'm good at estimating things and these figures are based on my experience over three decades living in this world.
2005-09-03 17:25 | User Profile
The correct url is: [url]http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html[/url]
2005-09-03 17:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Also,why do you say that a large part of the White population would condone such behavior?[/QUOTE]
I think he meant would not condone such behavior.
Being born a poor, black child, I am surprised by the candor of the article.
2005-09-03 17:46 | User Profile
I have known a lot of blacks. Many try their best to be good people. Problem is, they have poor impulse control. As a people they are easily frustrated and tend to lash out in violence for odd reasons. Take, for example the blacks at the Superdome, shooting pistols at the helicopters trying to rescue them. They simply get stressed and react violently.
I know from professional experience, it takes quite a few minutes to calm down agitated blacks. You have to use a very friendly voice and talk calmly and slowly. In situations like that on the helicopter pad one would be hard pressed to calm them down.
2005-09-03 17:51 | User Profile
Your experience is similar to that of nature observers living next to gorillas :shocking:
2005-09-03 18:09 | User Profile
Blacks are America's problem children.
It's like in grade school there was always a small group of kids who missed the bus, never did their homework, couldn't sit still in class, got into fights, and basically were hazards to navigation without constant oversight by the teacher, so too blacks as a class just can't take care of themselves without constant attention from whites.
And just as the teacher had to take her precious time from most of the other kids to deal with the problem children, so too blacks just consume our time and energy and resources.
NOLA is a case in point. First, the teacher told all the kids that the fire alarm went off and that they needed to leave the school building in an orderly fashion. Most of the folks who left in an orderly fashion were whites, most who just didn't get it were blacks, our problem children. The usual suspects, if you will.
Then of course the crisis ensues, and the folks least able to handle all the stress are the same people without the wherewithal to leave. They get stressed out and start to lash out at anything, as CornCod says. You'll note that nobody in the convention center or the stadium seemed to be able to organize the crowd, get things settled, come up with a plan. To the contrary, with all the incorrigible problem children running the school, the place turned into hell on earth in a matter of hours. Imagine a group of, say, Japanese in that situation. The picture couldn't be more different than the horrible anomic images polluting our television screens even as I write this.
The MSM is saying that they didn't leave because they were poor, but that begs the question of why they can't seem to get up of the economic bottom generation after generation, when most other immigrant groups spend just a couple of days poor and confused and then rise up.
Black poverty and failure are a function of the underlying problem of low African intelligence combined with high African emotionality. Corn Cod is right on the money with his comment. Anybody who has worked with blacks knows that they are, as a group, both mentally dull and emotionally excitable by nature. It's not nurture, it's NATURE.
The big question is what in the world are we ulimately going to do with our problem children? While my heart goes out to them in their suffering, and I am for sparing no expense to assist them in this crisis, I for one am frankly sick of dealing with them and their lowlife problems time after time after time.
Is there no end to them?
2005-09-03 18:17 | User Profile
As far as bloodletting goes, Blacks may resort to it quicker but when the killing starts it is actually Whites and especially Orientals who master the art of [B]non-impulsive, cold-blooded, pre-meditated[/B] slaughter.
Petr
2005-09-03 18:25 | User Profile
[url="http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html"]http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar.../cleisure1.html[/url]
WOW! I never thought I would ever see that.
WY, Excellent post.
2005-09-04 04:54 | User Profile
What we saw in New Orleans was the black urban underclass, people who all their lives have been used to living on public support. Most blacks with any smarts or gumption left that city long ago. And the worst stories we heard were the result of the dregs of that class.
You don't hear stories like that from Mississippi or Alabama. There, as far as I can tell, blacks and whites have put aside their differences and are working together.
I am not trying to be a Pollyanna here. Blacks and whites do have their differences and are rival ethic groups. Conservative or libertarian political solutions that might have been workable in 1970 when whites were still the overwhelming majority are becoming irrelevant as whites head for minority status. The white nationalist solution, breakup of the US on ethnic lines, will be hard for everyone, but it will be hardest of all for the blacks.
2005-09-04 07:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]As far as bloodletting goes, Blacks may resort to it quicker but when the killing starts it is actually Whites and especially Orientals who master the art of [B]non-impulsive, cold-blooded, pre-meditated[/B] slaughter.
Petr[/QUOTE] Would you give examples?
2005-09-04 07:59 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Red][B][I] - "Would you give examples?"[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
Dresden and Genghis Khan for starters.
Petr
2005-09-04 08:06 | User Profile
How do those instances compare to any number of African dictators in the last 60 years or so?
2005-09-04 08:25 | User Profile
They were much more systematic and efficient in killing than they were.
Petr
2005-09-04 12:46 | User Profile
What do you think makes them much more systematic and efficient?
2005-09-04 13:49 | User Profile
Dresden, and the post war starving and looting of Europe, were perpetrated by Jewish Bolsheviks.
2005-09-04 14:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The MSM is saying that they didn't leave because they were poor... [/QUOTE]
Someone on another board pointed out that a Greyhound ticket out of town would've run about $25. Many [I]were [/I] probably too poor, but a lot of those blacks stayed because:
1- three days from their end-of-month check
2- many (like Fats Domino, who certainly can't cry poverty) simply didn't think the threat was real. For 35 years now, NO has been reg evac'ed for storm systems that turned out to bypass the city altogether
3- ingrained sense of entitlement led them to presumeit was govt's duty to 'fix' the situation and 'save' them
4- afraid of their homes being looted
5- planned to do some looting themselves
Left out of all the analysis are a few other facts.
1- NO is [U]not[/U] a mecca for high-paying jobs. A majority of the whites who took off were living paycheck to paycheck [I]too[/I]; this idea that the "rich" escaped, leaving the poor to die, is nonsense
2- many many blacks packed up and left in time. To hear the media tell it, they don't exist. Perhaps they will now be characterized as Uncle Toms "acting white", ie race traitors
3- Mayor Nagin, who's a great one for acting indignant, gave the evacuaton order 24 hours too late after being well aware of Katrina's path and strength
3a - as I've since been informed, thousands and thousands of people (who have no trust in city govt, a well-known black-patronage mill marked by shiftless incompetence) took their cues from [I]The Weather Channel[/I], not the authorities (as is common down there - I certainly always did, as did everyone I knew) and left on FRIDAY, a day ahead of the order. Since when is preparedness and foresight an act of genocide?
2005-09-04 17:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][font=Arial][color=red] - "Would you give examples?"[/color][/font]
Dresden and Genghis Khan for starters.
Petr[/QUOTE]I think better examples would be the Turks against the Armenians, Hitler's Germany, Ukraine under Stalin, Nanking under the Japs.
I agree with your point, btw. No group is immune from descending into murderous evil.
2005-09-04 18:11 | User Profile
[COLOR=Indigo][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Dresden, and the post war starving and looting of Europe, were perpetrated by Jewish Bolsheviks."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
You shouldn't be this naive.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Dresden, and other German cities, were reduced to rubble by enthusiastically murderous Anglo-Saxons like Arthur "Bomber" Harris, and the mass deportations of Germans from Eastern Europe were done mostly by gentile Slavs.
In fact (you can ask about this from any German nationalist), even many non-Communist, nationalist Poles and Czechs took eagerly part in this Rwanda-like ethnic cleansing, even Roman Catholic priests participated in it:
[url]http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/sginferno/sgi09.html#clergy[/url]
(this is very partial German link)
Petr
2005-09-06 15:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]As far as bloodletting goes, Blacks may resort to it quicker but when the killing starts it is actually Whites and especially Orientals who master the art of non-impulsive, cold-blooded, pre-meditated slaughter.
Petr[/QUOTE] Yeah, Rwanda 1994, was a complete myth, a fabrication. :lol:
AE
2005-09-06 15:27 | User Profile
What a stupid (liberal) line of reasoning. What next, animals are even better because they didn't have organized genocides?
2005-09-06 15:28 | User Profile
Merely anecdotal evidence Angeleyes, and besides, Rwanda was a very chaotic mess, not very well planned or organized.
Tom Metzger from W.A.R., a mad-dog racist if there ever was one, happens to agree with my viewpoint.
Petr
2005-09-06 16:04 | User Profile
Genocide has been happening in the world since biblical times, indulged in by every race of people.
Anyways, the disease of multiculturalism, or mixed ethnicities sharing scarce resources, or political extremism is usually at root in genocides. I see all these currents in post-America America. It's just rearing it's ugly head in New Orleans at present. It's only short step from here to outright war: Americans shooting Americans. It's really sad because it was so predictable.
2005-09-06 16:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Merely anecdotal evidence Angeleyes, and besides, Rwanda was a very chaotic mess, not very well planned or organized.
Tom Metzger from W.A.R., a mad-dog racist if there ever was one, happens to agree with my viewpoint.
Petr[/QUOTE]There was a plan, though I'll agree it was poorly executed, and proof of the pudding was the effective campaign Kagame waged in counterattack, and the ensuing panicked flight of the Hutu amateurs into Zaire.
Must give the Chinese more credit, I suppose, for Mao's millions killed during the Great Leap Forward, etecetera.
AE
2005-09-07 03:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Blacks are America's problem children.
It's like in grade school there was always a small group of kids who missed the bus, never did their homework, couldn't sit still in class, got into fights, and basically were hazards to navigation without constant oversight by the teacher, so too blacks as a class just can't take care of themselves without constant attention from whites.
And just as the teacher had to take her precious time from most of the other kids to deal with the problem children, so too blacks just consume our time and energy and resources.
NOLA is a case in point. First, the teacher told all the kids that the fire alarm went off and that they needed to leave the school building in an orderly fashion. Most of the folks who left in an orderly fashion were whites, most who just didn't get it were blacks, our problem children. The usual suspects, if you will.
Then of course the crisis ensues, and the folks least able to handle all the stress are the same people without the wherewithal to leave. They get stressed out and start to lash out at anything, as CornCod says. You'll note that nobody in the convention center or the stadium seemed to be able to organize the crowd, get things settled, come up with a plan. To the contrary, with all the incorrigible problem children running the school, the place turned into hell on earth in a matter of hours. Imagine a group of, say, Japanese in that situation. The picture couldn't be more different than the horrible anomic images polluting our television screens even as I write this.
The MSM is saying that they didn't leave because they were poor, but that begs the question of why they can't seem to get up of the economic bottom generation after generation, when most other immigrant groups spend just a couple of days poor and confused and then rise up.
Black poverty and failure are a function of the underlying problem of low African intelligence combined with high African emotionality. Corn Cod is right on the money with his comment. Anybody who has worked with blacks knows that they are, as a group, both mentally dull and emotionally excitable by nature. It's not nurture, it's NATURE.
The big question is what in the world are we ulimately going to do with our problem children? While my heart goes out to them in their suffering, and I am for sparing no expense to assist them in this crisis, I for one am frankly sick of dealing with them and their lowlife problems time after time after time.
Is there no end to them?[/QUOTE]
Once again, WY's brilliance shines on this board. Good work, as always. I enjoy reading your analyses - more more more!!!
2005-09-07 11:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Genocide has been happening in the world since biblical times, indulged in by every race of people. .[/QUOTE] Actually, it's been going on since caveman days.
As E. O. Wilson pointed out in his "On Human Nature," we all have what amounts to a genocide instinct, because those human groups who not only defeated neighboring tribes but also wiped them out completely and gained their resources (perhaps raping their females on the way) had a distinct survival advantage over those who didn't.
And so the trait spread.
We may find the thought distasteful, but our instinct for genocide is as much a part of our natures as our instincts for food, shelter, society and sex (not necessarily in that order!).
This is why I am a nationalist. Just as marriage is designed to harness man's sex urge for the good of society, so too nationalism is designed to check man's desire to kill all others unlike him.
2005-09-07 11:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Once again, WY's brilliance shines on this board. Good work, as always. I enjoy reading your analyses - more more more!!![/QUOTE] You are too kind, sir.
2005-09-09 21:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brooke][url="http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html
<p%20style="]The Dark Side of Black People[/url]Posted on September 2, 2005
Leighton Levy, Jamaica Star, Sept. 2 [img]http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/Images/FROM%20MY%20NOTEBOOK%20(NEW).JPG[/img][/QUOTE]An excellent find, Brooke.
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]Blacks are America's problem children......[/QUOTE]Enjoyed reading your insightful essay, WY. You should publish.
2005-09-09 22:53 | User Profile
"Their mayor is coming unglued, having a public tantrum. It doesn't occur to him that if he has nothing useful to offer in a situation that is clearly beyond his powers, he should step aside and keep quiet."
Here.. Here..
2005-09-10 05:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]What a stupid (liberal) line of reasoning. What next, animals are even better because they didn't have organized genocides?[/QUOTE] My understanding is that chimpanzees have waged documented genocidal wars against neighboring chimp clans.
It's truly in the genes.
We all have a genocide instinct.
But that's just nature. I see no reason that we should think that genocide is always pure evil or such nonsense. Nature and Nature's God ensured that we all have this instinct, so there must be a Devine Purpose to it.
The fact that the Bible clearly ordered genocide proves that genocide can be moral from a Biblical perspective.
I understand that my own Roman Catholic Church condemns genocide in all instances, but I don't understand how this conclusion can be arrived at given the Natural Law, Scriptural and indeed Traditional understanding.
Somebody please explain.
2005-09-11 03:34 | User Profile
Blacks are America's problem children.
I've asked various libertarians how libertarian theory applies to Africa, when Africans have shown no ability to rule themselves, and have never gotten an answer.