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2005-09-02 18:08 | User Profile
And get a load of Boy Jonah in action!
Antiwar.com [SIZE=4]The soil erosion equipment we need to save New Orleans is in Iraq[/SIZE] by Justin Raimondo
Holed up on the tenth floor of a building in downtown New Orleans, one Michael Barnett, a former Special Forces soldier who works for the domain registrar Directnic.com, sends out this distress signal:
"In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault – I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost."
Sorry, Mike, but nobody in national security is paying the least amount of attention. As the situation in Katrina-stricken New Orleans metastasizes out of control, [B]we have word from the U.S. military:
"There will be no large-scale shifting of U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan to help with disaster relief in Louisiana and Mississippi, a U.S. Central Command spokesman said Thursday."[/B]
Nothing is going to divert our leaders' attention away from their war to "liberate" the Middle East, not even a calamity on the scale of what is happening to New Orleans. The costs of the Iraq invasion and occupation have already exceeded the bill for the Vietnam war, and yet [B]Congress, at the behest of this president, cut the budget for flood control and levee-building in New Orleans drastically:
"In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding. It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said."[/B]
Billions for offense, but not one cent for our own people: that's the slogan of this administration, and of the War Party generally. George W. Bush has vowed to "save" New Orleans, but his fan club over at National Review exhibits the true feelings of Beltway power-brokers for those peons stuck in the Big Easy, as [B]when Jonah Goldberg opined:
"ATTN: SUPERDOME RESIDENTS [Jonah Goldberg] – I think it's time to face facts. That place is going to be a Mad Max/thunderdome Waterworld/Lord of the Flies horror show within the next few hours. My advice is to prepare yourself now. Hoard weapons, grow gills and learn to communicate with serpents. While you're working on that, find the biggest guy you can and when he's not expecting it beat him senseless. Gather young fighters around you and tell the womenfolk you will feed and protect any female who agrees to participate without question in your plans to repopulate the earth with a race of gilled-supermen. It's never too soon to be prepared."[/B]
Professor Stephen Bainbridge, a conservative law professor at UCLA and a blogger of note, took Goldberg to task for this particularly heartless comedy routine: [B]Goldberg, however, refused to apologize:
"Perhaps Professor Bainbridge – of whom I am a fan – thinks something really awful will befall the denizens of the Superdome and therefore making a joke at their expense is wrong. My guess is that it will simply be a really unpleasent [sic] time for the remainder of the day, but hardly so unpleasent [sic] as to sanctify them with refugee or some other victim status."
No one who isn't, say, Ahmad Chalabi, or an Israeli "settler" in Gaza, deserves official "victim status" over at National Review. [/B] In a remarkably laconic (considering the source) note of contrition, Goldberg eventually conceded that "After sleeping on it, I decided I probably could have waited longer for the levity." The problem, of course, isn't that he should have held his fire until later, but that he should have kept his mouth shut to begin with. Undeterred by simple decency or common sense, however, National Review editor Rich Lowry defends Goldberg's remarks:
"Personally, I thought the Jonah Superdome riff was funny and clearly was poking fun at the media frenzy around Katrina at a time when it seemed especially over-blown."
It was all, suggests Lowry, a matter of bad timing, but rather than excusing Goldberg, this observation only underscores the underlying attitude that animates these heartless Bourbons. [B]Lowry is saying that Goldberg couldn't have known how the New Orleans disaster would turn out, but clearly Goldberg had a fairly strong opinion that the "denizens of the Superdome" would merely have "a really unpleasent [sic] time of it." To the know-it-alls who inhabit the Washington Beltway – "denizens" of the corridors of power, if you will – the disasters and everyday misfortunes that befall the rest of us are, ultimately, of little consequence – and are thus fair game for court jesters such as Goldberg.[/B] Professor Bainbridge approaches a diagnosis of the moral and cognitive dissonance that afflicts Goldberg and his defenders when he notes:
"What happened in New Orleans (and the rest of the Gulf coast) was never anything for somebody sitting in safety hundreds of miles away to joke about, let alone so lamely."
The Goldbergian style, an unpleasant product of the neoconservative takeover of the American Right, is derived from the self-important delusions and arrogance of inside-the-Beltway chatterers, for whom Goldberg is the poster boy. [B]This same indifference to the perils of long-distance pontification permeates the views of Goldberg and his neocon confreres at National Review on a wide variety of subjects, including especially the war in Iraq, which they fulsomely supported and continue to support. In that instance, too, their prognostications of a cakewalk were wide off the mark – another case of the Know-it-all Syndrome in action. [/B]
Please spare me the cries of "Raimondo is exploiting the tragedy" of New Orleans by dragging the war into this. Don't look at me, bud. Listen, instead, to the people of New Orleans:
"Fury rose among many of those evacuated. Outside the Convention Center, the sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. Thousands of storm refugees had been assembling outside for days, waiting for buses that did not come.
"At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry, desperate people who were tired of waiting broke through the steel doors to a food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice and whatever else they could find.
"An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
[B]"'I don't treat my dog like that,' 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. 'I buried my dog.' He added: 'You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here.'"' [/B]
Of course not. [B]The American military no longer has anything to do with protecting this country from invasions, either natural or man-made. It is purely an instrument of naked aggression, only peripherally serving distinctly American interests, and then grudgingly and as a last resort. The announcement that troops will not be diverted from Iraq to Louisiana tells us everything we need to know about the War Party's priorities.As both New Orleans and Baghdad sink into complete chaos, only the latter is getting any serious attention from Washington.[/B]
To the Jonah Goldbergs of this world, the suffering masses holed up in the Superdome don't deserve victim status, but [B]George W. Bush probably does: he, after all, was caught entirely unawares by this act of God, which no one could have predicted. Except it was predicted, as this 2001 story from the Houston Chronicle makes all too clear:
"New Orleans is sinking.
"And its main buffer from a hurricane, the protective Mississippi River delta, is quickly eroding away, leaving the historic city perilously close to disaster.
"So vulnerable, in fact, that earlier this year the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.
"The other two? A massive earthquake in San Francisco, and, almost prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York City.
"The New Orleans hurricane scenario may be the deadliest of all."[/B]
As we begin to unearth all the warnings, might-have-beens, and should-have-dones that are now cropping up in regard to 9/11, the same sort of critique might be applied to the New Orleans debacle, which – no doubt – a New Orleans Disaster Commission will examine in the not-too-distant future. What went wrong? How did we miss it? What's wrong with our priorities?
[B]I'll tell you what's wrong: we're so busy conquering the world that we can't be bothered to attend to the basics on the home front. [/B] Furthermore, the Washington elites care a lot more about the possibility of Iraq falling to the insurgents than they do about New Orleans falling into the Gulf of Mexico. You can see that in the budget numbers – and people like Mr. Edwards, quoted above, know it.
As Radley Balko points out:
"More than 3,000 – or about 35% – of Louisiana's National Guard troops are in Iraq right now, too. Forty percent of Mississippi's are. Gone too are many of the guard's generators, high-water vehicles, and refuelers.
"The federal government has again failed at the one thing it's actually supposed to do: Protect us from outside threats. Perversely, this failure is the direct result of a fool's errand carried out in response to the massive failure of four years ago.
[B]"Shoring up the levees and water pumps would have cost a mere $250 million, about a day-and-a-half of wartime operations in Iraq."[/B]
But doesn't this prove that the small government libertarian ideal is impractical? [B]We are already hearing arguments that New Orleans proves how big government is an unavoidable protection against natural disasters, and the Democrats are no doubt shaping their talking points around this report of how federal dollars to prevent flooding in the region dried up to a mere trickle. The reality, however, is more complicated than that – and much more bitterly ironic.
The economic distortions of the market economy directly traceable to war, and to this war in particular, are driven home by the testimony of one Joseph Suhayda, a representative of HESCO Bastion USA, LLC, a Louisiana based manufacturer of erosion-control products, before the Senate Appropriations Committee on June 30, 2004:
"The HESCO Concertainerî was invented in England as an erosion and flood control product. The first erosion project done by HESCO UK was installed in 1989 and HESCO UK has established a reputation over the last 15 years of successfully preventing land erosion and coastal flooding worldwide.
"HESCO Concertainersî are being used extensively by the U. S. Military in Iraq and all over the globe to build structures which protect our troops, as shown in Figure 2. [/B] As you have probably seen on the news, the military application is to build blast and munitions absorbent walls that provide troop protection. The photo in Figure 2 was taken earlier this year in Iraq. This security application has become the main market for the HESCO product.
"Although HESCO UK has been working successfully with the United States military, [B]the product has not seen much use as it was originally designed: erosion or flood control. [/B] To support this use, HESCO UK licensed the product to be manufactured in the United States. HESCO Bastion USA, LLC was opened on February 4, 2003 in Hammond, Louisiana. Because of the enormous erosion and flooding problems that occur in that region, HESCO USA has gained valuable experience in responding to the needs in the Gulf Coast states."
Instead of protecting New Orleans from the relentless assault of the Gulf, the erosion-control equipment purchased by the U.S. government is over in "liberated" Iraq, being used to shield our troops from the deadly accolades of a grateful populace. [B]A more dramatic – and tragic – demonstration of the principle of how war (and State action) diverts resources away from rational uses would be hard to find. [/B]
The know-it-alls in Washington, D.C., know nothing – and, worse than that, they don't know that, either. Instead, sitting comfortably in their offices a good distance from the disaster they unleashed – either directly, in the case of Iraq, or indirectly, as in New Orleans – they remain supremely indifferent to the commoners' fate.
With the New Orleans disaster in mind, I wrote a few days ago:
"This time the Washington insiders have gotten so far ahead of themselves, and the rest of the country, that the illusion of 'democracy' is dangerously close to being completely debunked. We are rapidly approaching the point where it will only take one incident, perhaps a relatively minor one, to spark a social explosion from that will make our republic reel."
New Orleans has lit the fuse. I would advise everyone to stand back ….
2005-09-02 18:23 | User Profile
"ATTN: SUPERDOME RESIDENTS [Jonah Goldberg] ââ¬â I think it's time to face facts. That place is going to be a Mad Max/thunderdome Waterworld/Lord of the Flies horror show within the next few hours. My advice is to prepare yourself now. Hoard weapons, grow gills and learn to communicate with serpents. While you're working on that, find the biggest guy you can and when he's not expecting it beat him senseless. Gather young fighters around you and tell the womenfolk you will feed and protect any female who agrees to participate without question in your plans to repopulate the earth with a race of gilled-supermen. It's never too soon to be prepared."
Wouldn't you give your left arm to see Boy Jonah and his ilk parachuted into New Orleans about now, preferably into a crowd of looting ghetto boys?
And apart from its crassness, am I the only one to notice that the extremely puerile nature of this piece suggests not an adult man as an author, but rather some spoiled, runny nosed little brat of eleven or twelve who has spent too much time watching Star Trek?
2005-09-02 18:26 | User Profile
Wouldn't you give your left arm to see Boy Jonah and his ilk parachuted into New Orleans about now, preferably into a crowd of looting ghetto boys?
Him and the [u]rest[/u] of the NRO blogocracy.
2005-09-02 18:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]And apart from its crassness, am I the only one to notice that the extremely puerile nature of this piece suggests not an adult man as an author, but rather some spoiled, runny nosed little brat of eleven or twelve who has spent too much time watching Star Trek?[/QUOTE] You're not the only one. The fact that Lucianne Goldberg's brat is considered a 'thinker' by the necons should tell you all you need to know about their ilk. It also shows how far NR has fallen. Could you imagine Kirk, Burnham, or Sobran writing such garbage?
2005-09-02 18:47 | User Profile
I also can't help but wonder if Boy Jonah would be making glib jokes about growing gills and talking to snakes if a major natural disaster hit Tel Aviv instead of New Orleans and Biloxi.
2005-09-02 18:48 | User Profile
Uh, oh, it seems some folks don't appreciate that rich humor of Jonah's and are calling him on it. Found a few posts above the one quoted above by Raimondo.
KNUCKLE SMACKING [Jonah Goldberg ]
Doc Bainbridge chastises me for my insensitivity and implores my more mature colleagues to take me to task. He even goes so far as to call me Taranto-esque, for what that's worth.
Perhaps Professor Bainbridge -- of whom I am a fan -- thinks something really awful will befall the denizens of the Superdome and therefore making a joke at their expense is wrong. My guess is that it will simply be a really unpleasent time for the remainder of the day, but hardly so unpleasent as to sanctify them with refugee or some other victim status. I assumed the reference to gill-growing and whatnot made it clear where I was coming from. I'm sorry if we don't always fulfill the good professor's expectations around here. But it can't be all brandy-snifters and Latin puns in the Corner.
Jonah, face it, you're a horses' ass of the first magnitude.
2005-09-02 18:51 | User Profile
But it can't be all brandy-snifters and Latin puns in the Corner. From what I've seen of The Corner, I would say there is very little danger of that, in any case.
2005-09-02 18:54 | User Profile
Q,
More like Mogen David... :rolleyes:
2005-09-02 18:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]I also can't help but wonder if Boy Jonah would be making glib jokes about growing gills and talking to snakes if a major natural disaster hit Tel Aviv instead of New Orleans and Biloxi.[/QUOTE]
Why should he, when we [I]all [/I] know the US would be there in a [B]nanosecond [/B] with men, money and materiel?
2005-09-02 18:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Q,
More like Mogen David... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Perhaps he meant box wine and pig-latin puns. :wink:
2005-09-02 19:08 | User Profile
Let's put everything in perspective here... sure, the hurricane is killing a few people. But Saddam Hussein was poised to be the nextHitler! (I guess Kuwait was his Poland.) We have to fight the Islamic fanatics, ya see! Of course, by overthrowing their prime enemy Saddam, I guess we really did them a favor. Then you have Iraq's new constitution, which lists Islam as its inspiration. So maybe it's all about fighting the Ba'ath fascists. Or something else that might sound vaguely frightening. Of course, many Ba'ath party members are getting reinstated in the new government... so forget what I was saying. It's all about strategery for freedom and democracy all over the world.
2005-09-02 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Wouldn't you give your left arm to see Boy Jonah and his ilk parachuted into New Orleans about now, preferably into a crowd of looting ghetto boys?
Him and the [u]rest[/u] of the NRO blogocracy.[/QUOTE]Just as they'd love to see those of us here parachuted in there, preferably with a copy of [B]our [/B] latest blogs, of course. Obviously neither of us cares a great deal about the denizens of the Superdome. Just a feud between fellow misanthropists.
2005-09-02 19:23 | User Profile
If only we had your elevated seat above the rabble on both sides, Okie.
Oh, by the way - how's your personal martyr, Ammon Reich, doing these days?
2005-09-02 19:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]If only we had your elevated seat above the rabble on both sides, Okie.
Oh, by the way - how's your personal martyr, Ammon Reich, doing these days?[/QUOTE]Obviously no National Guardsman were around to help him out. Quit gloating. Just because you don't want to sound like Jonah Goldberg doesn't mean you have to sound like Abe Foxman or Morris Dees.
2005-09-02 19:41 | User Profile
You started it. It was all you could do not to shoehorn the words "Alex Linder" in your prior message.
People who live on glass plantations shouldn't cry Nazi.
2005-09-02 19:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Just as they'd love to see those of us here parachuted in there, preferably with a copy of [B]our [/B] latest blogs, of course. Obviously neither of us cares a great deal about the denizens of the Superdome. Just a feud between fellow misanthropists.[/QUOTE]
You're speaking only for yourself here.
This is a human tragedy of unbelievable scope, no matter who the victim. While you can guess my preferences- and who I would select, if forced, to place on the last bus out of town- I wouldn't wish this on an animal much less a human being. This kind of blase generalization hurts yourself and any positive effect this board might have.
2005-09-02 19:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]You're speaking only for yourself here. Hey this is a public board. Everybody can read it for himself. And you can bet the denizens of the Superdome wouldn't like it any more the Goldberg's, if that's the issue at hand.
This is a human tragedy of unbelievable scope, no matter who the victim. While you can guess my preferences- and who I would select, if forced, to place on the last bus out of town- I wouldn't wish this on an animal much less a human being. This kind of blase generalization hurts yourself and any positive effect this board might have.[/QUOTE]Whatever. Its the truth Weissy. Sometime we need to consider if what we're doing isn't anything more than big cityish self congratulatory name calling and back slapping.
2005-09-02 20:14 | User Profile
We should try to see the bright side in here and conclude from Jonah Goldberg that the average intelligence of Jewish pundits and lobbyists is sinking, meaning that they cannot hold onto their power once the old generation of wheeler-dealers dies off...
Steve Sailer has argued that John Podhoretz too is much dumber than his daddy Norman.
Petr
2005-09-02 20:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]We should try to see the bright side in here and conclude from Jonah Goldberg that the average intelligence of Jewish pundits and lobbyists is sinking, meaning that they cannot hold onto their power once the old generation of wheeler-dealers dies off...
Petr[/QUOTE]Naw. The Amen corner probably would just say that its the [I]goy[/I] blood in Jonah taking over.
2005-09-02 20:25 | User Profile
Who cares what amen corner would say? Without intelligence you cannot conspire efficiently.
Petr
2005-09-02 20:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]We should try to see the bright side in here and conclude from Jonah Goldberg that the average intelligence of Jewish pundits and lobbyists is sinking, meaning that they cannot hold onto their power once the old generation of wheeler-dealers dies off...
Steve Sailer has argued that John Podhoretz too is much dumber than his daddy Norman.
Petr[/QUOTE]
I've also noticed that the fresh crop of neocon pundits (Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Debbie Schluessel, Jamie Glazov, Comrade Sandalio, Benjy Shapiro, etc) are indeed a good deal less sophisticated than the last generation of neocons (Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, etc). I'm not sure that this is all that signficant, since as George W. Bush has demonstrated, success in politics has little to do with intelligence as such and everything to do with the right combination of ambition, crony connections, and low animal cunning.
Also, keep in mind that a successful pundit doesn't need to be learned or insightful, he just needs to be able to throw the right incendiary rhetoric around. Look at Limbaugh, Coulter, or Savage, for instance.
2005-09-02 20:34 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][I][B] - "I'm not sure that this is all that signficant, since as George W. Bush has demonstrated, success in politics has little to do with intelligence as such and everything to do with the right combination of ambition, crony connections, and low animal cunning."[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
Isn't it quite agreed that George Bush's own talents have little to do with his ascendancy, and that he is something of a front-man, an affirmative action president? He can thank his family connections, especially his own daddy, for what he is today.
Could he have done it all by himself? Nah.
Petr
2005-09-02 20:34 | User Profile
You know, you [I]could [/I] start a blog, Okie. That way you could articulate your beliefs and concerns w/o having to worry about Nazis - or worse, 'New Yorkers' - tainting your words by association or even close proximity.
When you posted that Ammon Reich story, however, your intention was crystal-clear: [I]it was to generate the exact sort of hooting and outraged rhetoric that you now decry as declasse and 'counterproductive'[/I].
That is undeniable; even though the simplest and most rudimentary followup would have clearly indicated there was more to the Reich story than first appearances indicated. I find that you cling to "New Yorkers" the way Linder's shock troops cling to "Jews"....all-powerful omnipotent demons who simultaneously orchestrate the movements of every chess-piece on the board....so I'm counting on you blaming the Reich-case coverage on [I]dem ole debbil New Yorkers[/I], even though it was a local Oklahoma story which has never even been [I]mentioned[/I], let alone reported, up here.
For instance, you could look at the "Man Made Disaster" thread in this folder and see for yourself that the reaction to the Katrina disaster here is more complex and multi-sided that your characterization of it. But then that's never been your style. [I]Ready, fire, aim! [/I] is generally more like it..
2005-09-02 20:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][I][B] - "I'm not sure that this is all that signficant, since as George W. Bush has demonstrated, success in politics has little to do with intelligence as such and everything to do with the right combination of ambition, crony connections, and low animal cunning."[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
Isn't it quite agreed that George Bush's own talents have little to do with his ascendancy, and that he is something of a puppet? He can thank his family connections, especially his own daddy, for what he is today.
Could he have done it all by himself? Nah.
Petr[/QUOTE]
The political apparatchiks at the top need a certain level of intelligence and knowledge, no question. I'm just not convinced that a successful pundit (which is what we're talking about) needs much of either, any more than a political frontman like Bush does.
2005-09-02 20:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]I've also noticed that the fresh crop of neocon pundits (Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Debbie Schluessel, Jamie Glazov, Comrade Sandalio, Benjy Shapiro, etc) are indeed a good deal less sophisticated than the last generation of neocons (Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, etc). I'm not sure that this is all that signficant, since as George W. Bush has demonstrated, success in politics has little to do with intelligence as such and everything to do with the right combination of ambition, crony connections, and low animal cunning.[/QUOTE] I'd mostly agree but amend that to "success in contemporary American politics..." The structure and components of the political system help determine who ends up in power. A Euro-style parliamentary system often attracts different leaders than an American-style mediaocracy, and so on. Back when the American mass media had a different ethnic composition, the voters had a different ethnic/gender composition, etc., our system usually put far better leaders in charge.
2005-09-02 20:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Isn't it quite agreed that George Bush's own talents have little to do with his ascendancy, and that he is something of a puppet? He can thank his family connections, especially his own daddy, for what he is today.[/QUOTE]
I myself was completely mystified by how Bush got the nomination the first time, in 2000. He certainly hadn't distinguished himself in office - he didn't even have very much insider buzz in 99 - and he had the Bush name working [I]against [/I] him, as George I was a one-term wonder who'd won [I]his [/I] Gulf War decisively, and yet couldn't translate that into a second term... which was pretty unheard of. (And Americans are traditionally suspicious of political dynasty families. The Kennedys may own Mass, but they haven't even come close to coronating a second King of Camelot.)
I concluded, pretty glumly, that he'd simply raised more money than anyone else and had the backing of the only faction of Americans who mattered: the plutocrats.
2005-09-02 20:46 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "George I was a one-term wonder who'd won his Gulf War decisively, and yet couldn't translate that into a second term... which was pretty unheard of."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Maybe, but he was also [B]an ex-director of CIA [/B] and therefore an adept in Machiavellian power-politics, able to push sonny-boy forward.
Petr
2005-09-02 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]George I was a one-term wonder who'd won *his * Gulf War decisively[/QUOTE] Not exactly. He did leave Saddam firmly in power, so Jr. could use that latest "Hitler" as a whipping boy for Gulf War II.
2005-09-02 21:02 | User Profile
Petr, Hamilton:
You're both correct, of course. I meant 'decisively' in terms of decimating the Iraqi National Guard (and thus their ability to invade/conquer Kuwait) and keeping US casualties to a bare minimum.
2005-09-02 21:30 | User Profile
[quote=AntiYuppie]Wouldn't you give your left arm to see Boy Jonah and his ilk parachuted into New Orleans about now, preferably into a crowd of looting ghetto boys?
Why bother with the parachutes?
2005-09-02 21:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]I meant 'decisively' in terms of decimating the Iraqi National Guard (and thus their ability to invade/conquer Kuwait) and keeping US casualties to a bare minimum.[/QUOTE] Can't argue with you there. Funny how the amazing juggernaut of this "Arab Hitler" proved so easy to defeat, though.
2005-09-02 21:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]When you posted that Ammon Reich story, however, your intention was crystal-clear: [I]it was to generate the exact sort of hooting and outraged rhetoric that you now decry as declasse and 'counterproductive'[/I].
That is undeniable; even though the simplest and most rudimentary followup would have clearly indicated there was more to the Reich story than first appearances indicated.[/QUOTE]We both have our prejudices Spiderman, but I am curious about this continuous infatuation with my motives in posting the thread on the Reich affair, your take again on the matter, and maybe even why more why the WN world is so uninterested in it. Maybe, like New Yorkers, they just figure its a matter between n****rs and white trash, both of which they despise. To me its a fairly simple matter. On the other hand, maybe I should be grateful for your relative circumspection.
2005-09-02 22:50 | User Profile
I made only one reference to it beyond the original thread itself, and that was here, an hour ago. So it's hardly a "continuous infatuation".
There are more 'racists', outright WNs and more-rational race-realists in New York than you have any idea of. Most stay under the radar here as they do everywhere else, for the very same reasons they do everywhere else. For better reasons, actually: the price extracted for holding such opinions - here - would be far more immediate and severe than in, say, rural Tennessee.
And maybe low-profile's not such a bad thing: rhetoric has a way of getting out of hand, and becoming foolish one-upmanship and macho posturing after a while. Championing Ammon Reich was a complete non-starter: no way is that guy a martyr. He was, first and foremost, a fool, if only for endangering the lives of his family. Oklahoma juries are not likely to give crackhead malingerers and felons a pass, and the idea that they'd put away a family man for defending his family against same was highly unlikely. Go back and read through that thread again, for Christ's sake. And consider that you're chiding people here for the kind of rhetoric you were drumming up there - only in this case, the rhetoric is certainly well-earned: the whole world can see what's happening, after all, and who's doing it.
2005-09-03 20:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]There are more 'racists', outright WNs and more-rational race-realists in New York than you have any idea of. Most stay under the radar here as they do everywhere else, for the very same reasons they do everywhere else. For better reasons, actually: the price extracted for holding such opinions - here - would be far more immediate and severe than in, say, rural Tennessee.
And maybe low-profile's not such a bad thing: rhetoric has a way of getting out of hand, and becoming foolish one-upmanship and macho posturing after a while. Sure. Everyone can see how you're taking over the world from the internet. NY WN's have truly become legends in their own minds.
Outside of their imaginations though, I don't see what you seem to think is a great subterranean ground-swell of racial solidarity is really worth much, if they can't muster enough solidarity to rise above whispering to each other in their homes. And what you call racism may justly just be termed ethic friction by others as it often is, i.e. like Boston, just a lot of groups - Irish, Italian, French-Canadian, etc.- disliking everyone else
Championing Ammon Reich was a complete non-starter: no way is that guy a martyr. He was, first and foremost, a fool, if only for endangering the lives of his family. Oklahoma juries are not likely to give crackhead malingerers and felons a pass, and the idea that they'd put away a family man for defending his family against same was highly unlikely. Go back and read through that thread again, for Christ's sake. And consider that you're chiding people here for the kind of rhetoric you were drumming up there - only in this case, the rhetoric is certainly well-earned: the whole world can see what's happening, after all, and who's doing it.[/QUOTE]You may not personally like Reich, and he certainly didn't handle the situation perfectly, otherwise he could have got a free pass. But I think your obvious wish to write him off illustrates why WN are not very strong in New York, and the NA hasn't ever accomplished anything. Remember the NA wanted to write off Chester what's his face. Oh brother we're with you 1000 percent, but make one little mistake, and brother, you stupid idiot, you're on your own.
Not to mention a certain antithapy toward white southerners of the south and west - stupid crackers, which seems not to be just an eastern jewish thing. Masses are never going to arise when they perceive, especially correctly, their putative leaders have no loyalty to them and will abandon them at the first opportunity.