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2005-08-31 07:14 | User Profile
[url=http://tinyurl.com/c5lg4][B]NOLA Looters trying to break into Children's Hospital[/B][/url]
Tuesday, August 30, 2005
Tuesday, 11:45 p.m.
Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children's Hospital.
Bottcher said the director of the hospital [u]fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital[/u]. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.
The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.
Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.
2005-08-31 07:56 | User Profile
There was also a report that a prison riot had occurred (at Angola? - they didn't say)with the inmates taking hostages. This was reported once, for about ten seconds; haven't heard any followup or confirmation.
2005-08-31 09:00 | User Profile
All of these beast-men should be dispatched immediately by properly organized local citizen militias. Mass looting should be treated with the utmost harshness. But attacking children's hospitals? There is no punishment imaginably severe enough for such infra-humans. It is an intolerable disgrace to all citizens, diminishing whatever little remains of our national dignity. We have shown the whole world that at the slightest crises, our social fabric easily breaks down. All it takes is one natural disaster like this to reveal the weak and fragile foundations of modern bolshevized America.
2005-08-31 09:16 | User Profile
There was also a report that a prison riot had occurred (at Angola? - they didn't say)with the inmates taking hostages. This was reported once, for about ten seconds; haven't heard any followup or confirmation. No link; found on another board.
Aug. 30, 2005 ââ¬â Inmates at a prison in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans have rioted, attempted to escape [u]and are now holding hostages[/u], a prison commissioner told ABC News affiliate WBRZ in Baton Rouge, La.
Orleans Parish Prison Commissioner Oliver Thomas reported the incident to WBRZ.
A deputy at Orleans Parish Prison, his wife and their four children have been taken hostage by rioting prisoners after riding out Hurricane Katrina inside the jail building, according to WBRZ.
Officials are expected to hold a press conference regarding the riots at 9 p.m. ET.
A woman interviewed by WBRZ said her son, a deputy at the prison whose family is among the hostages, told her that many of the prisoners have fashioned homemade weapons. Her son had brought his family there hoping they would be safe during the storm.
2005-08-31 10:41 | User Profile
After reading the first post, I couldnt help but think this to be a scene out of a movie like "night of the walking dead". I have never watched the movie, might not have the name right, but ive seen enough scenes from movies similar to that. Nightmarish. Even a 22lr and a few boxes of shells could send these animals back.
2005-08-31 11:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brooke] The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.
Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond.[/QUOTE] This demonstrates why it is absolutely unnecessary for private citizens to own firearms. The beneficient, powerful government will always be there to protect you.
2005-08-31 12:47 | User Profile
Every American city has an inner city core of these animals waiting for an opportunity to strike. This is the real politic of race relations in America.
2005-08-31 13:16 | User Profile
Again, no link, so can't confirm . . . taken from another board where they're discussing the morning news programs. . .
"Fox news reported earlier today that two hospitals were "under seige- my words, not theirs" and were requesting law enforcement help for "crowd control". They said things were getting out of hand. Tulane was one hospital, and I think Baptist(?) was the other."
2005-08-31 13:33 | User Profile
This demonstrates why it is absolutely unnecessary for private citizens to own firearms. The beneficient, powerful government will always be there to protect you.
Q, there's no shortage of gun owners in La. What you have right now is a dire shortage of people....it's just cops and coons, and the coons have a 100-1 edge.
2005-08-31 13:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]....it's just cops and coons, and the coons have a 100-1 edge.[/QUOTE] To make it worse, 70% of the cops are coons.
2005-08-31 13:53 | User Profile
I saw on MSNBC this morning that showed coon [U]cops[/U] looting a Wal-Mart. Other coons shown looting on the news had shopping carts full of goodies.....in front of the cops! These animals are beyond correction. Give 'em an inch, they take a city and all the life thereabout.
2005-08-31 15:15 | User Profile
The only proper place to evacuate niggers from NO is Africa.
2005-08-31 15:25 | User Profile
Listening to talk radio and a few callers have stated the obvious -- it's the blacks doing the looting.
Of course the hosts are already trying to spin away and disassociate the info folks' eyes are plainly giving them i.e. "it's just a small group of criminals" "let's focus on the good being done" "it's not a racial thing", etc. etc.
Media is a both a blessing and a curse.
2005-08-31 15:32 | User Profile
Looting footage, which was nearly constant last night, has all but disappeared from the major networks this A.M., as has any mention of casualties in the NO area not directly related to the flooding, i.e. rampaging Negroes killing people. That last is probably just because there's no way for anyone to know a figure at this point, but I'm not holding my breath for the number to surface, if you'll pardon the pun, even eventually.
I think the network news producers have finally gotten through to the camera crews in the field not to show any more TNB, but in the interim, there were some funny and surreal moments on the telly last night. The most memorable was courtesy of ex-FOX News drone Rita Cosby, now on MSNBC, interviewing LA senator Mary Landrieu (sp?) on the phone. Rita asked the senator what she thought of the looting footage they were showing at the moment and the esteemed senator replied that she couldn't see the footage, but that she wouldn't be too harsh towards people who were only taking things they needed to survive. The whole time the video feed was of TNB looting of Wal Mart and liquor stores, carting away TVs, video games, Nikes, clothes and booze!
As far as the Children's Hospital goes, I hope the looters do not get in there and that all necessary force is used to prevent that from happening, because if looters do gain access, I fear you're going to see babies dumped out of incubators onto the floor, this time for real.
Tex,
I heard some talk radio as well and already the excuse makers are out in force, one (white, by the sound of his voice) idiot going so far as to claim the media, of all institutions, was being racist in only showing black looters and quashing footage of all the Whites running rampant in the French Quarter.
[u]A little later[/u] Radio host: So you think the media is deliberately not showing Whites or hispanics looting?
Caller: Bet the farm on it.
Anyone got a farm they'd care to put on the block?
2005-08-31 16:01 | User Profile
All footage of nigger looters is suspended until the crews fulfill the new objective: finding whitey doing same (good luck). They should fake a looting scene with whites.
We be all the same, dawgs.
2005-08-31 21:53 | User Profile
[I]Posted on another board:[/I]
"HERE IS ANOTHER BREAKING ON CNN LIVE RIGHT NOW AT 1:35 PM
On phone is Richard Zuschlag of Accadian Ambulance Service, largest EMS company in LA. He has had an emergency call to immediately evacuate 100 babies out of some (hospital - not sure?) in an area (I couldn't make out name) in area in or near New Orleans due to the growing unrest.
He is saying this MUST be done before dark!! That after that it will be too dangerous later to save them.
He has 120 ambulances on the way to do this and is naming also medi-vac helicopters that are going to help but there are some major problems w/ some of the helicopters landing at outlying facilities.
He is saying that if there it is not a federal presence in NOLA by dark tonight, then it is all lost,,, that [u]it is that bad on the streets[/u].
He says the people listening to him now must understand that all this is happening in an environment of extreme danger. That his people are getting very scared ... a generator was just stolen from back of an ambulance **[u]and the crowds have turned over one of his ambulances[/u]. **
He is saying people do not realize how bad things have gotten there now.
He says nurses in hospitals are calling on cell phones [u]begging him for help as crowds are trying to break in to the facilities[/u]."
2005-08-31 21:58 | User Profile
And where is the National Guard when you need them? Why, they are over in the Middle East participating in Hymie's Pax Judaica.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5912[/url]
Louisiana National Guard Troops Watch Katrina from Iraq Report; Posted on: 2005-08-31 06:57:26
One more reason to make sure American wars actually serve America
More than 3,000 members of the Louisiana National Guard's 256th Brigade serving in Iraq can only watch from Baghdad as Hurricane Katrina bears down on their families and homes in New Orleans and the other south Louisiana communities from which they hail.
The deployed soldiers and their equipment, which includes high water vehicles, Humvees and generators, will be sorely missed as Louisiana attempts to prepare for and recover from the historic Category Five storm.
The soldiers of the 256th are due home in October, assuming their tour isn't extended to beef up US troop levels in Iraq for the October constitutional referendum and December general elections.
Mississippi and Alabama, the other states under threat from Katrinaââ¬Å¡s second assault on the Gulf Coast, also have Guard contingents in Iraq, with 3,500 troops of Mississippiââ¬Å¡s 155th Brigade Combat Team serving near Karbala and Najaf, while 140 Alabama Guard troops left last Sunday for training preparatory to joining some 2,000 Alabama troops already deployed overseas.
Governors throughout the country have watched anxiously as the Guard units they count on to see their states through natural disasters have been called up for service in Iraq, in many cases leaving behind tanks and other heavy armor while taking with them the kinds of equipment that are most valuable in coping with the aftermath of storms, floods and earthquakes.
President Bush has already created one Gulf wasteland. In a few days heââ¬Å¡ll be offering condolences to the residents of another; one he didn't create, only stripped of its guardians in service of something he can't even define.
2005-08-31 22:17 | User Profile
[url]http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20219[/url]
Snips from this thread:
Just a heads up, armed looters have taken over one of the medical centers in New Orleans where the injured people were being sent. They are holding the entire staff of the hospital hostage and firing at the national guard. An FBI SWAT team has just been flown in (from Baton Rouge I believe) and they are just now getting situated. I'm not sure of any online scanners that are up monitoring the state trs. That is where alot of traffic is going on at.
I will keep you guys updated on here if you want. Just let me know.
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The medical center is Tulane Medical Center.
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I am in West Monroe, Louisiana monitoring the state trs. Information heard is coming from the National Guard and Louisiana State Police. Reply With Quote
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Also, LSP Troop B just said that the hostage situation at tulane is code 4. The swat team is being picked up from tulane now and brought back to the convention center.
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LSP Troop B is requesting immediate backup. Troopers, riot squad, and national guard. He said [u]the crowd is triple the size it was earlier and they are about to be overrun[/u].
2005-08-31 23:58 | User Profile
[url=http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050831-1059-katrina-looting.html ][B]Officials throw up hands as looters ransack city[/B][/url]
By Kevin McGill ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:59 a.m. August 31, 2005
With law officers and National Guardsmen focused on saving lives, looters around the city spent another day brazenly ransacking stores for food, clothing, appliances ââ¬â and guns.
Thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass of a pharmacy. The crowd stormed the store, carrying out so much ice, water and food that it dropped from their arms as they ran. The street was littered with packages of ramen noodles and other items.
Looters also chased down a state police truck full of food. The New Orleans police chief ran off looters while city officials themselves were commandeering equipment from a looted Office Depot. During a state of emergency, authorities have broad powers to take private supplies and buildings for their use.
Officials tried to balance security needs with saving lives.
"We're multitasking right now," said New Orleans Police Capt. Marlon Defillo. "Rescue, recovery, stabilization of looting, we're trying to feed the hungry."
Gov. Kathleen Blanco said she has asked the White House to send more people to help with evacuations and rescues, thereby freeing up National Guardsmen to stop looters.
"We need to free up the National Guard to do security in the city," Blanco said.
New Orleans' homeland security chief, Terry Ebbert, said looters were breaking into stores all over town and stealing guns. He said there are gangs of armed men moving around the city. At one point, officers stranded on the roof of a hotel were fired at by criminals on the street.
The Times-Picayune newspaper reported that the gun section at a new Wal-Mart had been cleaned out by looters.
Authorities said an officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. The officer was expected to survive.
Staff members at Children's Hospital huddled with sick youngsters and waited in vain for help to arrive as looters tried to break through the locked door, Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher told the newspaper. Neither the police nor the National Guard arrived.
Authorities planned to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city.
In the meantime, city authorities were putting a higher priority on rescuing victims and repairing a levee breach that was spilling water into the streets.
"One of our fears is if we don't stop the breach, that we will put good people's lives in jeopardy," the governor said. "We are concerned about essentials. We are asking for more military presence in the city to control the situation better.
On New Orleans' Canal Street, dozens of looters ripped open the steel gates on clothing and jewelry stores and grabbed merchandise. In Biloxi, Miss., people picked through casino slot machines for coins and ransacked other businesses. In some cases, the looting was in full view of police and National Guardsmen.
The historic French Quarter appeared to have been spared the worst flooding, but its stores were getting the worst of human nature.
"The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked," Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. "We're using exhausted, scarce police to control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while we still have people on rooftops."
Sen. Mary Landrieu's helicopter was taking off Tuesday for a flyover of the devastation and she watched as a group of people smashed a window at a gas-station convenience store and jumped in.
At a drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. Other looters were seen leaving a store with armfuls of tennis shoes and football jerseys.
2005-09-01 00:52 | User Profile
[url=http://www.nola.com/newsflash/weather/index.ssf?/base/national-50/1125491642281932.xml&storylist=hurricane ][B]New Orleans mayor: Thousands likely dead[/B][/url]
8/31/2005, 6:43 p.m. CT By ADAM NOSSITER The Associated Press
NEW ORLEANS (AP) ââ¬â Authorities all but surrendered the streets of New Orleans to floodwaters, looting and other lawlessness Wednesday as the mayor called for a total evacuation and warned the death toll from Hurricane Katrina could reach into the thousands.
The frightening estimate came as desperation deepened in the city, with gunfire crackling sporadically and looters by the hundreds roaming the streets and ransacking tiny shops and big-box stores alike with seeming impunity.
**"We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." **
That would make Katrina the deadliest natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.
With most of the city under water, Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, and authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big Easy and practically abandon the below-sea-level city. Most of the evacuees ââ¬â including thousands now suffering in the hot and muggy Superdome ââ¬â will be moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.
There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.
President Bush flew over the ravaged city and parts of Mississippi's hurricane-blasted coastline in Air Force One. Turning to his aides, he said: "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."
"We're dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history," Bush said later in a televised address from the White House, which most victims could not see because power remains out to 1 million Gulf Coast residents.
The federal government dispatched helicopters, warships and elite SEAL water-rescue teams in one of the biggest relief operations in U.S. history, aimed at plucking residents from rooftops in the last of the "golden 72 hours" rescuers say is crucial to saving lives.
As fires burned from broken natural-gas mains, the skies above the city buzzed with National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters frantically dropping baskets to roofs where victims had been stranded since the storm roared in with a 145-mph fury Monday. Atop one apartment building, two children held up a giant sign scrawled with the words: "Help us!"
[color=#3333FF]Looters used garbage cans and inflatable mattresses to float away with food, blue jeans, tennis shoes, TV sets ââ¬â even guns. Outside one pharmacy, thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break through the glass. [u]The driver of a nursing-home bus surrendered the vehicle to thugs after being threatened[/u].[/color]
Police said their first priority remained saving lives, and mostly just stood by and watched the looting. On Tuesday, an officer who tried to intervene was shot in the head and critically wounded.
Hundreds of people wandered up and down shattered Interstate 10 ââ¬â the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east ââ¬â pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings.
On some of the few roads that were still open, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.
Starting late Wednesday, authorities planned to move at least 25,000 storm refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 500 buses provided by the federal government. With the air-conditioning knocked out, the Superdome has become stifling, its toilets are broken and there is nowhere for anyone to bathe.
Nagin, whose pre-hurricane evacuation order got most of his city of a half a million out of harm's way, estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained, and said that 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated in ensuing convoys.
"We have to," Nagin said. "It's not living conditions."
In addition to the Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories.
The floodwaters streamed into the city's streets from two levee breaks near Lake Pontchartrain a day after New Orleans thought it had escaped catastrophic damage from Katrina. The floodwaters covered 80 percent of the city, in some areas 20 feet deep, in a reddish-brown soup of sewage, gasoline and garbage.
Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped spilling into New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling. But the danger was far from over.
The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone as early as Wednesday night into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall.
But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.
In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from the federal petroleum reserves after Katrina knocked out 95 percent of the Gulf of Mexico's output. But because of the disruptions and damage to the refineries, gasoline prices surged above $3 a gallon in many parts of the country.
The death toll has reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days ââ¬â in part, because some areas in both coastal Mississippi and New Orleans are still unreachable, but also because authorities' first priority has been the living.
In Mississippi, for example, ambulances roamed through the passable streets of devastated places such as Biloxi, Gulfport, Waveland and Bay St. Louis, in some cases speeding past corpses in hopes of saving people trapped in flooded and crumbled buildings.
If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.
State officials said the mayor's figure seemed plausible.
Lt. Kevin Cowan of the state Office of Emergency Preparedness said it is too soon to say with any accuracy how many died. But he noted that since thousands of people had been rescued from roofs and attics, it could be assumed that there were lots of others who were not saved.
"You have a limited number of resources, for an unknown number of evacuees. It's already been several days. You've had reports there are casualties. You all can do the math," he said.
On the flooded streets of New Orleans, dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out.
One of those rescued was 40-year-old Kevin Montgomery, who spent three days shuttling between the attic of a one-story home and a canopy he built on the roof.
Every once in a while, Mongtomery would see a body float by. But he cannot swim and had to fight the urge to wade in and tie them down.
"It was terrible," he said. "All I could do was pass them by and hope that God takes care of the rest of that."
2005-09-01 01:26 | User Profile
The way its going, they are gonna have to rename the city to New Mogadishu.
2005-09-01 01:38 | User Profile
I was wondering when the newsmedia was going to spin the story towards 'racism', given the fact that they've been forced by this situation to run near-constant footage of niggers being niggers (with a vengeance!). It's now begun: CNN took special care to bring on guests earlier today to inform viewers that Nola is a city zoned to keep the bongoes among their own and that "this sort of racial districting is what's adding to the death toll." Shep Smith on Fox has begun dropping phrases in his live updates such as "you will notice that the faces of misery among the victims of Katrina all have one thing in common: they are African-American." Weak tea after the increasing Zimbabwe nature of the footage, but certainly predictable as the media reluctantly returns to Job One - convincing the public that blacks are either noble victims or particle-physicists, if not both. But as a buddy of mine in Vegas said to me today, "The whole world is watching these monkeys run wild." You can't spin away the Tarzan movie now running on every channel with a few Shep Smith koombaya homilies.
Stories likre the ones above, and the one below, are spreading as rapidly as mosquito eggs in the toxic soup the Gulf is swimming in. Looting is to a certain extent forgivable if it's restricted to food and beverages, or baby formula, or first-aid goods; but it's quickly, predictably, devolved into Mugabe Time, and as the nogs scurry back down the evolutionary ladder they threaten rescue and cleanup efforts, and threaten to send the body count skyrocketing. [U]It is now time for the police and/or military to begin gunning down looters and roving gangs on sight, and cries of 'racism' be damned.[/U]
[QUOTE]August 31, 2005 [B][SIZE=4]New Orleans Police Station Attacked As Looters Rampage[/SIZE] The areas hit hardest by Hurricane Katrina are unfortunately also those hardest hit by looters while the police trying to stop them in New Orleans came under attack when two men with AK-47s opened fire on their police station.
Fox News reporter Jeff Goldblatt said two men with automatic weapons opened fire on a downtown New Orleans police station late Tuesday in an apparent retaliation against an officer who tried to stop looters earlier in the day from carting off clothes and jewelry from stores in the area.[/B]
As conditions deteriorated on the Gulf Coast, with no electricity, no water, and rising flood waters, looters were running wild in the streets, first looting grocery stores and later pharmacies, clothing and jewelry stores.
"It's downtown Baghdad," a tourist in downtown New Orleans said. "It's insane. I've wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not." [url]http://crime.about.com/b/a/198295.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-09-01 01:55 | User Profile
Il Ragno,
I heard what I thought was a classic from waxboy Shep of Fox. He called the black gangs running around [B]"citizens armed with AK-47s"[/B] If this wasn't so bad I'd say this is perfect black humor. (no pun intended) O'Reilly was just as stupid wanting to know where the Guard was at. (hint: Bill, try Iraq) Most of the Guard, it seems, is at the Superdome obstensibly helping the "refugees". Everyone here knows why they are there; to prevent large numbers of them from joining their brothers in destroying what is left of the city. I'll also note that a lot of Police are in Iraq as well. What is going on there is a microism of what is going to happen to America at large if this problem isn't solved. I wonder if Bush will still try to force the illegals upon us after this mess?
2005-09-01 01:57 | User Profile
They can spin it all they want. Whites are nodding at each other and whispering that they knew it all along, and blacks in the upper percentiles continue their frantic scramble from anything remotely associated with blackness other than jazz. I am cautiously optimistic that cultural Marxism is crumbling as surely as classical Marxism.
2005-09-01 01:59 | User Profile
ST,
Nothing like a good old fashion dose of reality for the deluded.
2005-09-01 02:36 | User Profile
Why the hell haven't they just started shooting? [quote= Quatrill] This demonstrates why it is absolutely unnecessary for private citizens to own firearms. The beneficient, powerful government will always be there to protect you. :biggrin:
2005-09-01 02:46 | User Profile
I heard a black voice on the radio this morning say he was going to loot to make up for being repressed. I guess this is what New Orleans filled with right now > :taz:
2005-09-01 02:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Solid]I heard a black voice on the radio this morning say he was going to loot to make up for being repressed. I guess this is what New Orleans filled with right now > :taz:[/QUOTE] Just like the riots in the '60's, it's just an excuse to steal.
2005-09-01 02:57 | User Profile
I heard Dennis Prager say the other day that Martin Luther King saved lives in the long term. Like some of the others here I also heard Blacks call up talk radio programs and make excuses. It will only get worse by the weekend. I hope boobus americanus draws the proper conclusion.
2005-09-01 04:07 | User Profile
"Estimates of the death toll are necessarily imprecise given that many of the bodies were carried out to sea and never found, there was no account of the exact number of people living in and around Galveston, and with whole families wiped out, no tally of the missing could be carried out after the storm. What is known is that at least 6,000 people were killed on Galveston island, and another 2,000 when the storm carried on to smash into the towns edging Galveston Bay during the night of September 8-9. The upper estimates place the total death toll as high as 12,000 people..."
[url]http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=The%20Galveston%20Hurricane%20of%201900[/url]
Will Kate top 12 grand?
[img]http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~geol108/yoon/graphics/bodies.gif[/img]
2005-09-01 04:25 | User Profile
Howard,
This will be just as bad if not worse and that is not even talking about the economic damage. This is worse than 9/11 economically.
2005-09-01 04:29 | User Profile
Sarge,
Would it be too cynical for me to suggest that Representative Duke might want to take another crack at the Pelican governorship...?
2005-09-01 04:46 | User Profile
In the words of Gomez Addams [B]"Capital idea, Howard!"[/B]
He might have a good chance after this.
2005-09-01 04:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]This demonstrates why it is absolutely unnecessary for private citizens to own firearms. The beneficient, powerful government will always be there to protect you.[/QUOTE]Check this out:
Police were asking residents to give up any firearms before they evacuated neighborhoods because officers desperately needed the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a hotel said they were shot at. Link: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane_katrina;_ylt=An0JFx6RxQD8EvbbRrBnlwobLisB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl[/url]
Needless to say, anyone who gives up his weapons to the police is a fool.
2005-09-01 04:52 | User Profile
Heck, all David would have to do is run TV ads featuring footage of the looters...as "DUKE FOR GOVERNOR--[I]I TOLD YOU SO[/I]" scrolled silently across the screen. :punk:
2005-09-01 04:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]They can spin it all they want. Whites are nodding at each other and whispering that they knew it all along, and blacks in the upper percentiles continue their frantic scramble from anything remotely associated with blackness other than jazz. I am cautiously optimistic that cultural Marxism is crumbling as surely as classical Marxism.[/QUOTE] One disaster like this every year would make a good counterbalance to nigger brain surgeons on televitz.
2005-09-01 05:02 | User Profile
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Howard,
Works for me! Hell, look at who has been running the city for years. Let's see Bush try to push that amnesty through after this. The US can't take anymore ptomaine poisoning.
2005-09-01 12:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brooke] Most of the evacuees ââ¬â including thousands now suffering in the hot and muggy Superdome ââ¬â will be moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.
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This is bound to be interesting.
2005-09-01 13:53 | User Profile
Thu Sep 01, 2005 Baghdad on the Gulf of Mexico
[url=http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html]WWLTV.com | News for New Orleans, Louisiana | Local News[/url]
(AP) The evacuation of the Superdome was suspended Thursday after shots were fired at a military helicopter, an ambulance official overseeing the operation said. No immediate injuries were reported.
"We have suspended operations until they gain control of the Superdome," said Richard Zeuschlag, head of Acadian Ambulance, which was handling the evacuation of sick and injured people from the Superdome.
He said that military would not fly out of the Superdome either because of the gunfire and that the National Guard told him that it was sending 100 military police officers to gain control.
"That's not enough," Zeuschlag. "We need a thousand."
This guy is blogging from New Orleans' Central Business District (the CBD), where he and a few other daring souls are holed up on the tenth floor of a building on Poydras Street:
[url=http://mgno.com/]New Orleans Police Department Status:[/url] The situation for the NOPD is critical. This is firsthand information I have from an NOPD officer we're giving shelter to. Their command and control infrastructure is shot. They have limited to no communication whatsoever. He didn't even know the city was under martial law until we told him! His precinct (5th Precinct) is under water! UNDER WATER -- every vehicle under water. They had to commander moving trucks like Ryder and UHaul to get around. The coroner's office is shut down so bodies are being covered in leaves at best or left where they lie at worst.
They don't even know their own rules of engagement. He says the force is impotent right now. They have no idea what's going on, no coordination, virtually no comms, etc. the National Guard is gonna air drop a radio system for them with 200 radios? They are getting very little direction.
The 3rd District bugged out to Baton Rouge because they flooded out.
His quote: "It's a zoo."
More from the Police Officer. I'm typing as fast as i can while he talks to us:He's only hearing bits and pieces. The people in the city are shooting at the police. They're upset that they're not getting help quickly enough. The fireman keep calling because they're under fire. He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers. Here it is 5 days ago the Mayor said get out of town and nobody went and now they're pissed.
The National Guard was at the Hilton, but now the Hilton is evacuated. When they said the CBD was gonna get 6 feet of water, it seems like everyone evacuated.
He turned the corner onto Canal Street and it looked like a flea market. People breaking into every store, going to the neutral gound (median) and trading and selling everything.
They broke into Winn Dixie Monday Night. Do they steal food? No. Cigarettes and liquor. Store was a mess. All the meats were going to waste so the districts went over there to salvage food for officers. Many cops have been eating MREs.
The Iberville Housing Projects got pissed off because the police started to "shop" after they kicked out looters. Then they started shooting at cops. When the cops left, the looters looted everything. There's probably not a grocery left in this city.
Over 30 officers have quit over the last 3 days. Out of 160 officers in his district maybe 55 or 60 are working. He hasn't seen several since Sunday. HQ is closed, evacuated. No phones to contact them.
"HQ, be advised, we're going 10 7."
"Ok, y'all coming back on???"
"We don't know."
Posted by: tex on Sep 01, 05 | 6:42 am | [url]http://www.antiwar.com/blog/[/url]
2005-09-01 14:18 | User Profile
Here are several mutually conflicting propositions:
If the government (or a social order) is unable to protect you, it is no longer legitimate or sovereign, and you have a Natural Right to survival. That includes taking and scavanging whatever you can find to support yourself and your family.
Private Property is the very foundation of Society, and no one has a right to take others' property, even if he "needs it". Police or militia should shoot looters at sight.
That would be nice, but in the modern Socialist state we don't in fact have property. Since all things are subject to confiscation, by forced inflation and taxation if nothing else, what's the point? The looters are taking today what they they took yesterday with little green promises to pay that are not redeemable--i.e. what is commonly known as "loot".
The police aren't a militia. They are the mercenaries of a northern occupation government. We should all join the looters and start shooting.
In all-out race war, it's us vs. them and we should shoot them. Them's the looters today. If the police want to join in, we should encourage them. After it's done we have a great place to put a detention complex for illegal aliens. Then open the levies a bit more.
Nature appears to be taking its course, all around. So what's the problem?
I must admit it is hard for a traditionalist to choose....
2005-09-01 15:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Macrobius] After it's done we have a great place to put a detention complex for illegal aliens. Then open the levies a bit more.[/QUOTE] There's a thought. That would provide a powerful disincentive for crossing our border: you will drown. If not in the Rio Grande or the Tijuana River, then in Lake Ponchetrain.
Not likely in our lifetime, however. :evil:
AE
2005-09-01 15:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE]After it's done we have a great place to put a detention complex for illegal aliens. Then open the levies a bit more.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of the John Carpenter films "Escape from New York" & "Escape from LA". Maybe they weren't so far-fetched as we might have once thought?
2005-09-01 15:09 | User Profile
Anyone played HL2? You need a fast boat with a machine gun to mow down all those darkies. As for the superdome, that looks like a safe house for enemy combatants... bring on F-16s and AC-130s.
2005-09-01 15:44 | User Profile
He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers.
Do I really have to say it?
:afro:
2005-09-01 16:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Every American city has an inner city core of these animals waiting for an opportunity to strike. This is the real politic of race relations in America.[/QUOTE]
When all is said and done, the looting and rioting inner city beasts will have caused far more damage than the hurricane itself. But who knows, if in the past "the white man made me do it" was used as an excuse for their behavior, perhaps "the hurricane made them do it" is just as good a broom to sweap the racial aspect of these events under the rug.
2005-09-01 18:42 | User Profile
The lesson from NOLA: we're all wetbacks now.
2005-09-01 18:45 | User Profile
Lesson #2 from NOLA: There's only a very slim veneer holding people back from killing each other here in the USA.
2005-09-01 19:06 | User Profile
Notice how the nigger cops on TV claim what you see on TV ain't real...just watched this nigger Louisana state cop on TV named Whitehorne, or something like that, claiming no attacks on or looting of hospitals...
2005-09-01 19:11 | User Profile
PD,
I heard a "sister" explain the rioting this way. "You have to remember this is the South" (!)
No, if it were the Old South there wouldn't be this problem.
2005-09-02 00:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Over 30 officers have quit over the last 3 days. Out of 160 officers in his district maybe 55 or 60 are working. [/QUOTE]
Imagine, a cop quitting his post during a disaster? Unbelievable! (except for the fact that they are black cops).
2005-09-02 00:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]When all is said and done, the looting and rioting inner city beasts will have caused far more damage than the hurricane itself. But who knows, if in the past "the white man made me do it" was used as an excuse for their behavior, perhaps "the hurricane made them do it" is just as good a broom to sweap the racial aspect of these events under the rug.[/QUOTE]
Look who the cat drug in. :thumbsup:
2005-09-02 01:05 | User Profile
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Thursday, September 1st, 2005 11:50 am Update My first tactical mistake. We were unprepared to accept the fuel when it arrived. The fuel arrived way too soon for us and we did not have all the empty drums down one ground floor when they got here. The driver had other deliveries to make, so rather than waste his time, I told him we'd recoordinate and be ready for him later today or tomorrow.
That's the bad news. Here's the worse news:
All of our providers are dropping. We're down to one. We have enough fuel to keep us powered for a long time, but we could lose internet access soon if our last provider drops.
So I guess what I'm saying is that any moment could be my last moment online. If we do lose internet, Outpost Crystal might have to be abandoned by all but Sig and Myself. I've got to get Crystal out of here safely and relocated to someplace out of this state. I'm working on escape routes now.
Calling any and all Intercosmos and Directnic employees. We need you to contact Donnie in email and on ICQ ASAP.
Situtation is critical.
I'm not leaving, so stop asking. I'm staying. I am staying until this shitstorm has blown itself out. Period. End of discussion.
Now for some updates:
Been too busy to debrief the police officer, so that will come later. Low priority now.
Buses loading people up on Camp Street to take refugees to Dallas, or so the word on the street (literally) is.
Dead bodies everywhere: convention center, down camp street, all over.
National Guard shoving water off the backs of trucks. They're just pushing it off without stopping, people don't even know it's there at first -- they drop it on the side in debris, there's no sign or distribution point -- people are scared to go near it at first, because the drop points are guarded by troops or federal agents with assault rifles who don't let people come near them, which scares people off. It is a mess. When people actually get to the water, they are in such a rush to get it that one family left their small child behind and forget about him until Sig carried him back to the family.
Lots of pics coming soon when Sig has time to update.
It's raining now and I guess that's a relief from the heat. It's hot as hell down there in the sun. Crime is absolutely rampant: rapes, murders, rape-murder combinations.
I have really cut back answering IMs. Not enough time. I apologize people.
In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault -- I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost.
Doing what we can, this is Outpost Crystal getting back to work.
2005-09-02 01:17 | User Profile
so what is the status of the childrens hospital. another question - was this hospital mostly negros ? negros preying on themselves somehow doesnt garner much sympathy from me.
2005-09-02 01:48 | User Profile
There was a lone French-Canadian woman in that Superdome; petite, early 30s, with her cute little backpack and bottle of water. She had just moved to NO to teach at an elementary school. I saw her interviewed while she was in line waiting to enter.
Earlier tonight I watched Keith Olbermann interview Al Sharpton. They agreed that lots of those folks were waiting for their end of the month paychecks, and couldn't evacuate for lack of funds. Yep.
I think it's possible for this to spark race riots where there is critical mass of blacks...which could embolden some other darker folk. Look for all local police to push for funding and authorization for further militarization. County cops here are already like an army.
There were long lines at every gas station along my drive home (FL). State government is communicating to all lower levels of govt that there will be interruptions in natural gas supply, which runs the state's electrical grid. "rolling brownouts" is what I'm reading between the lines.
2005-09-02 01:55 | User Profile
Josey,
IR,
I hope that post of your's is only exaggerated, but it wouldn't surprise me if what is quoted is indeed the case. New Orleans has to be a real hell hole by now. They better send in those two battalions of the 82nd into there asap. They might as well make some use of the experience they learned in Iraq for America's benefit.
2005-09-02 02:09 | User Profile
CNN has a news crew in New Orleans trapped in a police station which is under attack... :eek:
The CNN reporter also mentioned the large number of cops who have "quit".
This is what you get with non-White policing...:afro:
2005-09-02 04:59 | User Profile
New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20050902/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_ka[/url]
By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writer
NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear. ADVERTISEMENT
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.
"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."
The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.
New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.
About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of **numerous instances of New Orleans police officers ââ¬â many of whom from flooded areas ââ¬â turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.**
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.
"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."
**At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.**
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.
"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."
The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."
Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.
At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."
"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.
"We've got people dying out here ââ¬â two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell ââ¬â it's every man for himself.'"
"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."
FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.
At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.
After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.
One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.
"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."
By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
As he watched a line snaking for blocks through ankle-deep waters, New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.
A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings ââ¬â and not all the crimes were driven by greed.
When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian. I feel bad going in there," he said.
Earl Baker carried toothpaste, toothbrushes and deodorant. "Look, I'm only getting necessities," he said. "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with."
Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.
Audree Lee, 37, was thrilled after getting a shower and hearing her teenage daughter's voice on the telephone for the first time since the storm. Lee had relatives take her daughter to Alabama so she would be safe.
"I just cried. She cried. We cried together," Lee said. "She asked me about her dog. They wouldn't let me take her dog with me. ... I know the dog is gone now."
While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said. The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.
In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.
The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.
"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this ââ¬â whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."
Donald Dudley, a 55-year-old New Orleans seafood merchant, complained that when he and other hungry refugees broke into the kitchen of the convention center and tried to prepare food, the National Guard chased them away.
"They pulled guns and told us we had to leave that kitchen or they would blow our damn brains out," he said. "We don't want their help. Give us some vehicles and we'll get ourselves out of here!"
Associated Press reporters Adam Nossiter, Brett Martel, Robert Tanner and Mary Foster contributed to this report.
2005-09-02 05:09 | User Profile
Well madrussian, now we know what the GI Joe Urban Warfare toy that Raimondo showed on antiwar.com a few years ago was for. Bet it's the hottest toy this xmas.
2005-09-02 05:09 | User Profile
I keep hearing a familiar refrain, "the government isn't helping us". "The government isn't stopping illegals crossing the border." Get ready folks.
2005-09-02 05:35 | User Profile
I suspect one of the reasons that the darkies didn't run away when it was still possible, apart from the usual "dey be too po' to have a ca'", is their utter confidence in all-mighty whitey ultimately responsible for bailing them out no matter how they act of severity of the catastrophy. Whitey has delivered so far, reliably.
Poor tourists. They should have walked on their feet to get away, if they didn't have any other option. All victims of black crime should present the bill to the zhids.
2005-09-02 09:40 | User Profile
"These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
The time for that announcement was Monday morning.
2005-09-02 13:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]I suspect one of the reasons that the darkies didn't run away when it was still possible, apart from the usual "dey be too po' to have a ca'", is their utter confidence in all-mighty whitey ultimately responsible for bailing them out no matter how they act of severity of the catastrophy. Whitey has delivered so far, reliably.[/QUOTE] MR,
I think there is another reason why they didn't leave. They learned another, lesser known belief of Foxman and the rest of the parasites like the ADL. [B]"In confusion there is profit".[/B]