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Thread ID: 19895 | Posts: 48 | Started: 2005-08-31
2005-08-31 00:35 | User Profile
The New Orleans Mayor as of 6:30 pm their time, has announced that the attempts to plug the breach in the 17th St. canal have failed and they are expecting flood waters to rise to about 2' feet over sea level...
2005-08-31 00:41 | User Profile
the looting has begun!!
[SIZE=5]"To be honest with you, people who are oppressed all their lives, man, it's an opportunity to get back at society," he said. [/SIZE]
2005-08-31 02:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]the looting has begun!![/QUOTE] The niggahs don't need any excuse to misbehave.
Btw, how do you tell the difference between a high yellow and a mestizo?
2005-08-31 03:37 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm10908301723.hurricane_katrina_ladm109.jpg[/IMG]
2005-08-31 07:17 | User Profile
At least Mr. Shaka Zulu had the apparent good sense enough to go for the Heinekens.
:beer:
2005-08-31 10:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay][IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm10908301723.hurricane_katrina_ladm109.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Hey Kunta...come meet my new pet lizard
[img]http://www.kittyhawksports.com/Alligator%20close%20up.jpg[/img]
Oh and if you see these fellas, make sure to pick one up and pet it. Then take it back to all your tribe and let them pet it too.
[img]http://donavanlakes.org/water%20moccasin.JPG[/img]
2005-08-31 13:05 | User Profile
Hey guys,
I wonder what has kept illegals from joining the looting spree. Could this be a media cover-up and no pictures deliberatley shown? Stealing is an art in the homeland. Free trinkets from Walmart is too much of a temptation to resist. Anyone here come across anything?
2005-08-31 13:41 | User Profile
SK,
I don't think LA and MS are quite as infested as other areas of the nation with illegals. Anyway, our "African-American" community is more than up to the task of social disruption.
2005-08-31 14:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]I wonder what has kept illegals from joining the looting spree. Could this be a media cover-up and no pictures deliberatley shown? Stealing is an art in the homeland. Free trinkets from Walmart is too much of a temptation to resist. Anyone here come across anything?[/QUOTE]
I was in north LA (Ruston/West Monroe), central LA (Alexandria) and New Orleans proper at various times last year. I saw a few illegals at a Wal-Mart in West Monroe, but outside of that really none to speak of anywhere else.
I think Sert's right. For whatever reason their numbers just aren't that big in LA, from what I've seen at least.
'Course, there's the negroes. I've never seen anything like driving through Jackson, MS and Birmingham, AL a couple of years ago. We've seemingly lost those cities like we did Miami to the Cubans. Wow.
2005-08-31 14:14 | User Profile
Tex...just give AIDS a chance brutha. Nature has its ways. Lots of food for the gators, although they might get indigestion from so much "jerry curl". :afro:
2005-08-31 22:07 | User Profile
Earl Warren is the man who destroyed New Orleans. The storm just dump some water on the city.
It is too bad most of America's old building left in aera's where the white man dare not go. It is so sad to see so many pretty Victorian Houses boaded up and empty.
New Orleans is 70% Afro...
2005-09-01 01:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]SK,
I don't think LA and MS are quite as infested as other areas of the nation with illegals. Anyway, our "African-American" community is more than up to the task of social disruption.[/QUOTE]
You are quite right about that Sertorius.
I live two hours away from NOLA and you should hear all the racial comments I have been hearing the last couple of days.
A lot of people are getting organized to do some Search and Rescue, but from the comments I have heard it almost sounds like Sweep and Clear. :tank:
The "refugees" are starting to be migrated around my area.
So now we have a bunch of poor people who are now bored and have nothing but time on their hands.
The local Wal-Mart on the Northside of Lafayette was looted by a black mob last night.
The hurricane just missed us, but I see they need little reason to resort to their usual primal instincts.
There is a bit of info I have been hearing from friends in law enforcement that they are not talking about on the news.
I am totally disgusted by the behavior of these savages.
I can understand stealing food in certain circumstances if your starving, but stealing bundles of clothes and plasma tv's is still nothing short of thievery. :mad:
2005-09-01 02:04 | User Profile
Bruce,
(If you are not already doing this) Keep your powder dry. Be safe.
2005-09-01 04:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]'Course, there's the negroes. I've never seen anything like driving through Jackson, MS and Birmingham, AL a couple of years ago. We've seemingly lost those cities like we did Miami to the Cubans. Wow.[/QUOTE]
I went to New Orleans when I was 17. I told my folks on the phone, "I cannot BELIEVE how many black people are down here" My mom laughed and said, you didn't know that?
I mean, talk about CULTURE SHOCK. The county I live in is 500,000 people, and 92% white. Very, very odd. Similar experience when I went to LA five years later, never saw so many Mexicans.
2005-09-01 14:02 | User Profile
A great Picture! [IMG]http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~hunicke/blog/images/hurricane/looters.jpg[/IMG]
2005-09-01 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Earl Warren is the man who destroyed New Orleans. The storm just dump some water on the city.
It is too bad most of America's old building left in aera's where the white man dare not go. It is so sad to see so many pretty Victorian Houses boaded up and empty.
New Orleans is 70% Afro...[/QUOTE] That was a jew bought and paid for effort as we all know...Warren was just the shabbos goy in the affair...
2005-09-01 14:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bruce]You are quite right about that Sertorius.
I live two hours away from NOLA and you should hear all the racial comments I have been hearing the last couple of days.
A lot of people are getting organized to do some Search and Rescue, but from the comments I have heard it almost sounds like Sweep and Clear. :tank:
The "refugees" are starting to be migrated around my area.
So now we have a bunch of poor people who are now bored and have nothing but time on their hands.
The local Wal-Mart on the Northside of Lafayette was looted by a black mob last night.
The hurricane just missed us, but I see they need little reason to resort to their usual primal instincts.
There is a bit of info I have been hearing from friends in law enforcement that they are not talking about on the news.
I am totally disgusted by the behavior of these savages.
I can understand stealing food in certain circumstances if your starving, but stealing bundles of clothes and plasma tv's is still nothing short of thievery. :mad:[/QUOTE]
How come the Governor hasn't ordered in the entire national guard, or the state police. You do have state police, don't you? The Governor could also order in the various county sheriffs in an emergency from the uneffected areas. It seems like she is totally weak and incompetent...
2005-09-01 14:30 | User Profile
PD,
It's a combination of both. She is an idiot and as for the Guard, well, most of them are in Iraq making things safe for Jews and plutocrats. Ditto that for MS, save I think the governor has a little more sense.
2005-09-01 14:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]PD,
It's a combination of both. She is an idiot and as for the Guard, well, most of them are in Iraq making things safe for Jews and plutocrats. Ditto that for MS, save I think the governor has a little more sense.[/QUOTE] It's like putting a Sanchez in charge of things...
2005-09-01 14:54 | User Profile
U.S. military won't send troops in Iraq home to deal with hurricane
ASSOCIATED PRESS
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Sept. 1 ââ¬â There will be no large-scale shifting of U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan to help with disaster relief in Louisiana and Mississippi, a U.S. Central Command spokesman said Thursday.
Lt. Col. Trey Cate said top military officials are exploring ways to bring individual troops home to take care of families in need without altering the balance of forces in the war zones.
But top commanders are unsure if homecoming service members can yet visit areas stricken by Hurricane Katrina due to flooding and evacuation orders.
''There are lots of different options of getting soldiers back there,'' said Cate, who is based in Qatar. ''We're going to do our best to take care of the troops and their families.''
Navy Cmdr. Jeff Breslau, a U.S. 5th Fleet spokesman in Bahrain, said no U.S. warships in the Gulf would be redirected to disaster relief in the Gulf of Mexico, but individual sailors with family emergencies could be granted home leave.
National Guard units called up for rescue work in Louisiana and Mississippi had to make do without members currently deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
National Guard troops from Alabama and Wisconsin, along with other law enforcers, were ordered to deal with the shortfall.
Most Americans identify the National Guard with providing emergency services during natural disasters. But over the past three years, numerous Guard units have been sent to Iraq to fight alongside regular forces.
A brigade of roughly 5,000 soldiers from the Louisiana National Guard watched the disaster unfold on television at Camp Liberty, west of Baghdad.
The troops are expected to leave Iraq by November, if their deployment is not extended.
In their absence, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle agreed to send 500 Wisconsin National Guard troops to Louisiana Wednesday to help out. The Wisconsin Guard itself is stretched, with 1,700 members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and another 1,000 mobilizing for deployment overseas.
Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said she has asked the White House to send more rescue workers to free up the 4,000 National Guard troops already in New Orleans to stop looting and return law and order to the flooded city.
A brigade of Mississippi National Guard soldiers also remains in Iraq, attached to the II Marine Expeditionary Force.
More than 1,600 Mississippi National Guardsmen were activated to help with the recovery, and the neighboring Alabama Guard was planning to send two battalions to Mississippi to help cover the shortfall.
é 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
There are two battalions of the 82nd Airborne getting ready to go to Iraq. Bush should send them to New Orleans instead.
2005-09-01 15:07 | User Profile
Some nigger cop on CNN named LaDuff(?) is calling you guys in the Baton Rouge area liars.... :hitler:...according to the coon there has been only one arrest associated with the d.p.'s in Baton Rouge...did the nigger mean the niggers were looting for something to do????
Then FEMA has a chink-mestizo spokesperson on CNN...
2005-09-01 15:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius] In their absence, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle agreed to send 500 Wisconsin National Guard troops to Louisiana Wednesday to help out. The Wisconsin Guard itself is stretched, with 1,700 members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and another 1,000 mobilizing for deployment overseas. [/QUOTE] Well, how about a little love for some of our friends up north? A tip of the cap to the Wisconsin folk for reaching out a hand to help.
AE
2005-09-01 15:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Well, how about a little love for some of our friends up north? A tip of the cap to the Wisconsin folk for reaching out a hand to help.
AE[/QUOTE] Bob Taft is in the bunker after being in on the theft of millions of dollars from the state workers comp fund...REALLY... in an unrealted charge Taft recently plead guilty to taking money from those doing business with the state...typical coonservative republicoon...
2005-09-01 15:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Bob Taft is in the bunker after being in on the theft of millions of dollars from the state workers comp fund...REALLY... in an unrealted charge Taft recently plead guilty to taking money from those doing business with the state...typical coonservative republicoon...[/QUOTE] Not talking about the gov. I was unclear, my bad. I was talking about the 500 good and honest men who will come south to help.
The gov is going to say in Wisconsin, no? :sleep:
AE
2005-09-01 15:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Not talking about the gov. I was unclear, my bad. I was talking about the 500 good and honest men who will come south to help.
The gov is going to say in Wisconsin, no? :sleep:
AE[/QUOTE] You obviously don't have a clue about what's going on...:tongue:
2005-09-01 15:30 | User Profile
Taft is governor of Ohio. I'm with you, A.E. in saluting the Wolverines.
2005-09-01 16:37 | User Profile
This hurricane has everything jumbled up, even the postings on this thread.
OK now, we've got the governor situation straightened out, but Wisconsin is the Badger State, I think that Michigan is known as the Wolverine State.
Does anyone know of any pro white charities that one could support? Bad enough that our taxes will be squandered to feed & support the hypermelanins, but I'd sure like to channel some contributions to [U]our kinfolk.[/U]
2005-09-01 16:42 | User Profile
BK,
I stand corrected.
2005-09-01 16:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]BK,
I stand corrected.[/QUOTE] I get the impression that the Salvation Army helps the folks we want to see helped...
2005-09-01 17:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]You obviously don't have a clue about what's going on...:tongue:[/QUOTE] Oops, I got lost there. :whstl:
2005-09-01 18:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Oops, I got lost there. :whstl:[/QUOTE] The Governor of West Virginia has a WV/Pennsylvania National Guard water supply unit that he could send to Louisana/Mississippi...these guys are good...
2005-09-01 18:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]The Governor of West Virginia has a WV/Pennsylvania National Guard water supply unit that he could send to Louisana/Mississippi...these guys are good...[/QUOTE] Hope they aren't in Iraq. :dry:
AE
2005-09-01 18:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]The Governor of West Virginia has a WV/Pennsylvania National Guard water supply unit that he could send to Louisana/Mississippi...these guys are good...[/QUOTE]This unit had the 28 killed by the SCUD in 1991.
2005-09-01 22:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Earl Warren is the man who destroyed New Orleans. The storm just dump some water on the city.
It is too bad most of America's old building left in aera's where the white man dare not go. It is so sad to see so many pretty Victorian Houses boaded up and empty.
New Orleans is 70% Afro...[/QUOTE]
70%? I wouldn't have guessed. I attributed the pictures to the fact that most or all of the whites got out.
2005-09-01 23:33 | User Profile
An article @ American Renaissance contains a link to a person on the front line in the formerly civilized city of New Oreleans.
Link mentioned in article:[url]http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/[/url]
Article: [url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/looting_chaos_h.php[/url]
Looting Chaos Hits New Orleans Relief Effort
Philippe Naughton, Times (London), Sept. 1
President Bush called for a ââ¬Åzero toleranceââ¬Â policy against looters and profiteering today as New Orleans descended into lawlessness.
Three days after Hurricane Katrina slammed into the US Gulf Coast, armed gangs are roaming virtually unchecked through the flooded southern city, diverting police from the vital task of rescuing tens of thousands of residents trapped without food, power or fresh water.
Officials were even forced to suspend the evacuation of almost 25,000 flood refugees from the New Orleans Superdome after shots were fired at Chinook army helicopters overseeing the loading of people onto a fleet of prison buses.
In a television interview this morning Mr Bush defended himself from charges that his own response to the crisis was tardyââ¬âhe only broke off from a holiday at his Texas ranch yesterdayââ¬âand that the war in Iraq had left America unable to tackle emergencies at home.
The Pentagon said it would send an extra 10,000 National Guardsmen into Mississippi and Louisiana, bringing the force to more than 18,000, and had ordered an amphibious assault ship back from the Gulf to help with the relief operation.
ââ¬ÅWeââ¬â¢ve got the resources necessary to do two separate things,ââ¬Â Mr Bush told ABC. ââ¬ÅI hope people donââ¬â¢t play politics during this time. This is a natural disaster the likes of which this country may not have seen before. What we need to do is to come together as a nation ââ¬Â¦ there will be ample time for politics.ââ¬Â
Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, said last night that thousands had probably died in the floods brought by the stormââ¬âalthough that appears to be largely a guess since bodies are still not being routinely collected or counted.
Mr Nagin ordered virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts and stop thieves who were becoming increasingly hostile. ââ¬ÅThey are starting to get closer to heavily populated areasââ¬âhotels, hospitals, and weââ¬â¢re going to stop it right now,ââ¬Â he said.
Tempers also were starting to flare along the rest of the Gulf Coast strip. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, shot and killed his sister in a row over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus and a truck carrying medical supplies for a hospital.
Chris Ayres, a Times reporter, travelled from the devastated Mississippi town of Biloxi to Mobile, Alabama, and said: ââ¬ÅThere is a feeling of total lawlessness which is quite frightening. There is a feeling that there are no property rights, no rights at all. Along the road people have broken into abandoned hotels and are just living there.
ââ¬ÅBut the scenes at the petrol stations are the most unsettling. People are getting really annoyed and some petrol stations, especially those closest to the coast, have posted armed guards. Things are getting out of hand.ââ¬Â
Authorities are trying to evacuate all civilians from New Orleans, where an estimated 80,000 people ignored an order to leave last week ahead of Katrinaââ¬â¢s arrival.
A large proportion of those are being housed at the Superdome sports stadium, where toilets are backed up and the air unbreathable, and are due to be taken to the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away, in a fleet of almost 500 prison buses.
Before that operation was suspended, the first buses left overnightââ¬âalthough the first bus to arrive in Houston was one that had been hijacked by a group of desperate refugees.
More than 100 people, and probably several hundred, died in neighbouring Mississippi, where the epicentre of the hurricane hit. If Mr Naginââ¬â¢s estimate proves true, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which have been blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths.
Katrina would also be the nationââ¬â¢s deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. But security problems were clearly preventing police, fire officers and other rescue workers from getting to people in need as the Deep South came to resemble the Wild West.
Just outside New Orleans, gunmen held up a supply truck carrying food, water, medical supplies and pharmaceuticals, prompting officials to ask police and the US Coast Guard to help evacuate a working 203-bed hospital.
Some of the most graphic descriptions of the chaos have come from a blog run by employees of Directnic, a domain name registrar, who have stayed in the city to keep the companyââ¬â¢s servers going. One, who described himself as a security expert, wrote: ââ¬ÅIt is a zoo out there though, make no mistake. Itââ¬â¢s the wild kingdom. Itââ¬â¢s Lord of the Flies.
ââ¬ÅThat doesnââ¬â¢t mean thereââ¬â¢s murder on every street corner. But what it does mean is that the rule of law has collapsed, that there is no order, and that property rights cannot and are not being enforced. Anyone who is on the streets is in immediate danger of being robbed and killed. Itââ¬â¢s that bad.ââ¬Â
The same blog, at [url]www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor[/url], reported that dozens of New Orleans police officers had simply abandoned their posts.
Asked whether he understood the lootersââ¬â¢ motivation, Mr Bush replied: ââ¬ÅI think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this, whether it be looting, or price-gouging at the gasoline pump or taking advantage of charitable giving, or insurance fraud.ââ¬Â
Mr Bush is to visit New Orleans and other affected areas on Friday and had asked his father, the first President Bush, and Bill Clinton, his predecessor, to head fundraising efforts. ââ¬ÅI want people to know thereââ¬â¢s a lot of help coming,ââ¬Â he said.
The President has been sharply criticised in the past 24 hours for his response to the crisis so far. A New York Times editorial this morning said that Mr Bushââ¬â¢s Rose Garden address last night was ââ¬Åone of the worst speeches of his lifeââ¬Â.
The newspaper said the President had simply read out a ââ¬Ålong laundry listââ¬Â of the items sent to the Gulf Coast. ââ¬ÅHe advised the public than anybody who wanted to help should send cash, grinned, and promised that everything would work out in the end,ââ¬Â it added.
Other critics drew a direct link between the stumbling response to the New Orleans disaster and the cost of the war in Iraq, including Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan.
ââ¬ÅThere were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guards available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting,ââ¬Â Mr Roberts wrote in the Counterpunch newsletter.
ââ¬ÅThe situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a foolsââ¬â¢ mission in Iraq.ââ¬Â
Sidney Blumenthal, a former aide to President Clinton, wrote in the online magazine Salon.com that the Bush Administration had cut federal funding for New Orleans flood controls by 44 per cent since 2001ââ¬âdespite a Federal Emergency Management Agency report that year that identified New Orleans flooding as one of three major threats to the United States, alongside a terror attack on New York City and an earthquake in San Francisco.
(Posted on September 1, 2005)
2005-09-02 02:23 | User Profile
More pictures and links on the cofcc page.
[url]http://www.cofcc.org/[/url]
2005-09-02 03:07 | User Profile
Some links of interest:
[url]http://www.radioreference.com:8080/lspbtr.m3u[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A//groups.yahoo.com/group/livescanneraudio/&ei=174XQ5jSIrusigHA4bnhDA[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=13&url=http%3A//www.qsl.net/w5www/scanner.html&ei=rcAXQ_bpOpWsigGoxsjfDA[/url]
2005-09-02 15:00 | User Profile
I just wanted to remind you folks that there were more areas that were hit worse than New Orleans.
New Orleans is getting a little too much media attention in contrast to those smaller rural towns out there.
My brother just came in from being off shore where he was trying to fix water pumps.
He said there are still people stuck on their roofs begging for help over the marine radio.
He also said there were armed mobs of Vietnamese in shrimp boats that were running amok and looting at will.
My brother said that the boat he rode on was running into dead bodies left and right.
He said people were trying to scoop the dead bodies out of the water but their flesh was coming right off the bone. :frown:
He is sickened by the whole ordeal and is frustrated with the incompetent way the government is handling the rescue operations.
There are decent people out there dying right now.
So keep our less fortunate kinsmen in our hearts and minds.
2005-09-02 15:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bruce] There are decent people out there dying right now.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Nigger sufferink gets too much media attention, while decent folks are dying elsewhere.
2005-09-02 15:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]More pictures and links on the cofcc page.
[url]http://www.cofcc.org/[/url][/QUOTE]
Faust! thanks bro, here is a picture of those negro police looting along with the rest of their tribe. This is I suppose a snapshot taken from the video feed. I remember seeing this on the news, and there is another post. [url]http://cofcc.org/cutenews/data/upimages/loot9.jpg[/url] [img]http://cofcc.org/cutenews/data/upimages/loot9.jpg[/img]
2005-09-02 15:16 | User Profile
Bruce,
I think most folks know about the other areas. The whole area is one big disaster. Anything you run across about the other areas I encourage you to post. The story about the Vietnamese is one I haven't heard about for the bulk of the coverage has been about N.O.
Speaking of N.O., here's something from the Times-Picayune about folks stranded in the N.O. area. There is too much to post here. [url]http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_09.html#076113[/url]
2005-09-02 21:34 | User Profile
Michael Barnet's "the Survival of New Orleans blog" [url="http://www.mgno.com/"]http://www.mgno.com/[/url]
2005-09-02 23:16 | User Profile
Rape and murder inside dome of despair Adam Harvey and Kim Sweetman 03sep05
IT is a nightmare landscape of roaming gangs and random rapes. Desperate, hungry refugees are forced to huddle in hiding from armed thugs who have killed for what little food can be scavenged.
This is how the richest nation on earth reacts to a disaster.
More than 30,000 National Guards were sent in to New Orleans last night with orders to shoot to kill.
Those who survived Hurricane Katrina inside the city's Superdome emerged yesterday from a second hell.
"They're raping babies in there," sobbed a haunted escapee to a television camera as she begged President George W. Bush to send help.
"They are raping women. They are stabbing. There were riots."
New Orleans has descended from tourist icon to something terrifying. A week after the first storm warnings and there are few signs of the sad order that was established after the South-East Asian tsunami.
There is only one small field hospital, a handle of water trucks and no central co-ordination of the evacuation.
And while Mr Bush has ordered a $10 billion rescue package, no level of government has been able to explain how the world's only superpower could have left a major city without a workable disaster plan.
Even the Red Cross has been unable to get in and get organised as they wait for military protection.
Survivors have turned on each other. The tales from inside the Superdome verge on incredible.
Inside was a mass of stinking, hungry, frightened humanity without water, sewerage, food or air. Strangers were crammed against others who robbed them, beat them and raped them while armed guards stood oblivious.
"The stench was unbearable. We were treated like animals," Baron Duncan said.
"There was shooting," she said. "Our lives were in danger. A seven-year-old girl and an eight-year-old boy got raped."
"One man couldn't take it. He jumped over the railing and died," claimed Audrey Jordan.
Keshia Gray, a 28-year-old resident said "people were dying off".
"There were people shooting, fights broke out, the bathrooms were all clogged up and there was no water. Then the police started shooting. I couldn't stay in there."
Thousands were still waiting outside the Superdome amid at least seven dead bodies last night to be loaded on to buses to be taken to other cities.
Authorities in Houston, Texas, announced that city's Astrodome was already full ââ¬â it is now home to 11,000.
New Orleans' Mayor Ray Nagin issued a "desperate SOS" for help as Mr Bush sent in more troops and the massive aircraft carrier Harry S Truman to serve as a command centre.
No one denies armed gangs have all but gained control of the city. On the outskirts, white residents sit with rifles near the broken wood and shattered bricks that mark the sites of their homes.
But it is the disabled, the poor who cannot afford cars, the sick and the elderly who have been left behind in the inner city. And most of those left behind are black.
Some white survivors have claimed their race makes them particularly vulnerable ââ¬â the authorities say everyone is in danger.
Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco was blunt when she spelt out what the National Guard had to do.
"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well-trained, experienced, battle-tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets," she warned.
"They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded.
"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will."
Police Chief Eddie Compass said he had sent in 88 officers to calm crowds waiting for evacuation at the city's convention centre but they were driven back by an angry mob.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals wo are getting beaten," he said.
The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
An old man lay dead on a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.
[url]http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,16473513%255E954,00.html[/url]
2005-09-02 23:46 | User Profile
Just in case there is any question, there was a disaster plan. Any disaster plan, like any operations plan, has to have assumptions.
Perhaps an insufficient assumption was that the folks being helped would NOT turn on the folks assisting them, would NOT open fire on relief workers, would NOT loot relief trucks, would not descend into Liberia like anarchy within less than 24 hours.
Based on what I remember of FEMA plans, for the first 48 hours, the local political structure begins its local plan implementation. During the second 48 hours, while in parallel federal follow on is beginning to flow, State EMA and Guard effort phases in, (It takes time to muster and move people and equipment) and by the 96th hour, as most plans are written, federal help is flowing in. When those timelines are beaten, good, when not met, bad.
That is the template as I remember it. It may have changed, it has been a few years. (Of course, the vast majority of the population is completely in the dark on how disaster plans work, how they are phased, and how they are implemented, but are happy to comment on them.)
It appears that for Central New Orleans, where a goodly portion of the local police force seems to have gotten either fed up or were evacuees themselves, the local structure broke down immediately, and thus the time and phase lines, though crossed within planning guidance, moved up due to local conditions not meeting planning [u]assumptions[/u].
Let's look at why the planning assumptions are what they are bound by.
How does FEMA approach Congress, the politicians and their agendas, and when doing a plan for Los Angeles or El Paso, New Orleans or Chicago, or any city with a major gang presence, significant ethnic gang presence, that their planning assumption requires federal troops within 24 hours to implement martial law? ON the other side of the planning coin, what mayor or governor is egoless enough to assert that "his town/state can't hack it" after 24 hours?
Until the graphic evidence of the last few days, that dog does not hunt politically. The political process under which plans get approved is ugly, just like anything else politics touches. And the assumptions for the plans, like assumptions in a place called Iraq, all too frequently meet conditions and are shown wanting.
No plan survives contact, intact.
AE
[QUOTE=Faust]Rape and murder inside dome of despair Adam Harvey and Kim Sweetman 03sep05
IT is a nightmare landscape of roaming gangs and random rapes. Desperate, hungry refugees are forced to huddle in hiding from armed thugs who have killed for what little food can be scavenged.
This is how the richest nation on earth reacts to a disaster. Is there any point in reading further?
No. This is spin.
My favorite article was the one from the Brit tourists and their report.
AE
2005-09-03 01:36 | User Profile
KANYE WEST ON NBC FUNDRAISER: 'GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... They're saying black families are looting and white families are just looking for food...they're giving the (Army) permission to shoot us'... Actor Mike Myers asked people to donate... then Kanye West went on a tirade about Iraq... MORE...
Wow ... if the common citizen doesn't watch out, the black groups are going to turn this whole ordeal into their advantage ... this is stuff being shown on national fukin television (not that I watch it, but everybody else does)
yes I might agree with him about Iraq and that Bush generally is awful, but don't tell me this thing is whitey's fault
2005-09-03 01:38 | User Profile
A listing of very disturbing links:
[url]http://www.nazi.org/community/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=News;action=display;num=1125709899[/url]
I don't ever want to live around people who behave like this.
2005-09-03 01:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]I get the impression that the Salvation Army helps the folks we want to see helped...[/QUOTE]
Salvation Army in certain areas is nothing but niggers, unfortunately.
2005-09-03 03:15 | User Profile
[url]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/britsa_hell_ins.php[/url]