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Bush ponders immigration change

Thread ID: 19853 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2005-08-27

JoseyWales [OP]

2005-08-27 21:54 | User Profile

[url]http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1151&slug=Immigration%20Divides[/url]

PHOENIX -- Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings, President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas. People smuggled in after then would be deported.

Didnt Reagan do something similar ?

:wallbash:

Sertorius

2005-08-27 23:06 | User Profile

Sure did, Josey.

In 1986 Congress passed a monstrosity known as the "Simpson-Mazzoli Act". This was billed as a compromised that called for an amnesty and tightening up on the border instead of a massive deportation a number of us wanted. Reagan said years later that it was the worst piece of legislation he signed and he regretted not vetoing it. [url]http://www.vdare.com/fulford/050703_fulford_file.htm[/url]

Okiereddust

2005-08-28 01:27 | User Profile

We pick on Bush, but let's not forget the press's complicity. Change? I don't think anything has ever changed less than that Johny-one-note's agenda on immigration. Well maybe his support for Israel, but let's not get started.

BlueBonnet

2005-08-28 05:46 | User Profile

the key word in this is PACIFY. Immigration will not be controlled by Bushy!:angry:

Hivemindgammahydra7

2005-08-29 06:20 | User Profile

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=3]"Depending on how Hispanics react, this fall's immigration debate could help determine whether Democrats or Republicans dominate the fastest-growing voting bloc in years to come."[/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=4][color=red]F--K Hispanics.[/color][/size][/font]

MadScienceType

2005-08-29 15:39 | User Profile

Well and succintly put, HMGH7.

Bush ponders immigration change..

...gets headache from the strain. Consumes liquor in front of American Idol and goes back to sleep.

Repeat until U.S. no longer exists.

PaleoBear

2005-08-30 03:42 | User Profile

I heard that most illegal immigrants come through airport. It's not only hispanics, but dotheads and chinks. Read this article from today's Washington Ppst:

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800898.html?nav=rss_print/asection"][size=2][/size][/url]

[size=4]Gaithersburg Trio Charged In Smuggling[/size]

[size=3]Family Accused of Brokering for Ring[/size]

By Jonathan Abel Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, August 29, 2005; Page A03

An investigation that exposed a multimillion-dollar international smuggling scheme last weekend began, federal authorities say, with a couple from Gaithersburg.

In 1999, prosecutors say, Chang Shan Liu, 67, and his wife, May Liu, 66, a former World Bank employee, sought help sneaking large shipments of counterfeit cigarettes from China past port authorities in Newark. The supposed helpers were undercover FBI agents.

The couple and May Liu's nephew, Wei Li Gu, 44, also a former World Bank employee from Gaithersburg, are among 59 people across the United States charged in connection with the case. Prosecutors say May Liu and her nephew deposited proceeds from the sales into their World Bank credit union accounts.

The investigation that started with the Lius came to encompass connected criminal organizations, including those bringing drugs, weapons and millions of counterfeit dollar bills into the country, federal authorities said.

A woman at the Liu family home on Esworthy Place who identified herself as their daughter but would not give her name said the family had no comment. Chang Shan Liu's attorney, Lori Koch, said her client would plead not guilty.

Neighbors said they rarely saw the couple, particularly in the past six months. A call to Gu's home, on Lazy Hollow Drive, was not returned.

Court papers describe the Lius as "brokers" who arranged for almost 150 million counterfeit cigarettes to be smuggled from China, including knockoffs of Marlboro, Newport and other name-brand cigarettes.

According to prosecutors, Chinese customs officials were bribed to let the counterfeit items out of the country, and then the Lius were responsible for their importation and sale.

In the years after the couple's initial meeting with undercover agents, court documents say, they met with agents in restaurants and rest stops in the District, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Illinois and California. Chang Shan Liu also met with agents in warehouses in California and New Jersey, the documents say.

According to the indictment, the couple gave the agents bags containing tens of thousands of dollars -- as much as $117,000, in one case -- as payment for getting the shipments through port. Ultimately, prosecutors say, they brought 15 large shipments of counterfeit cigarettes and other items through ports in California and New Jersey.

May Liu and Gu used their accounts at the World Bank's credit union to hold $36,500 in illegal payments that they received, according to an indictment unsealed in federal court.

World Bank spokesman Damian Milverton said May Liu had worked in the technology department from 1976 to 1998 and Gu in the economics department from 1995 to 1997. World Bank policy prevented him from commenting further on former employees, he said.

[For the rest of this story go to: [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800898.html?nav=rss_print/asection"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800898.html?nav=rss_print/asection[/url] ]

madrussian

2005-08-30 03:58 | User Profile

"They come through airports" means that they come legally on a visa and then "overstay".

PaleoBear

2005-09-03 17:02 | User Profile

[QUOTE=madrussian]"They come through airports" means that they come legally on a visa and then "overstay".[/QUOTE] Given why these dotheads and chinks come to the U.S. should we be surprised? They come for "economic opportunity", i.e., to cull as much for their dirty mud paws and give nothing back except their insect-like behavior in social interaction and existence.