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2005-08-19 21:06 | User Profile
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Wow! Even the Freepers are starting to get it, though of course the mods are out in full force on the thread, purging anyone that says things that are politically incorrect.
I think the border problem just got a lot worse.
2005-08-19 21:29 | User Profile
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Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight
The New York Times ^ | 08/19/05 | Andrew Pollack
Posted on 08/19/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT by RoyalsFan
By ANDREW POLLACK Published: August 19, 2005 DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.
Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.
"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.
Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Dupe.
Who was the Judge...Greer?
Holy S@#$
This guy better apeal this, the Illegals have no standing here what so ever. New way to own land, sneak across the border and have a judge take land away from a citizen and give it to an ILLEGAL alien. We need to take some drastic action on judges like this.
Ping!
On the other hand, this article is from the New York slimes and may be entirely false or large parts of it anyway. It may be a made up story altogether.
We need to take some drastic action on Morris Dees and the SPLC.
Only one comment:
One man says to a second man: "Do you believe in the First Amendment freedom of speech?"
The second man says: "Of course I do."
The first man then asks: "Do you believe in the Second Amendment freedom to bear arms?"
The second man replies: "No, I don't."
The first man insists: "Then shut up!"
The moral of the story is: you can have your rights, but you have to protect and defend them, too.
This needs to be appealed, and these two need to be deported, along with Mr. Dees (the child pervert.)
I saw this in Fox News this morning. I couldn't believe it. Surely, this will be overturned on appeal.
Madness! What the hell is going on here?
Dupe thread same title over here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466446/posts
The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.
All someone has to do is demonstrate they can get more tax revenue for the land vis-a-vis Kelo v New London.
here is just a few of their vaunted efforts to allow the poor oppressed masses access to our courts and country.
http://www.splcenter.org/legal/docket/docket.jsp?sortID=4&agendaID=4
The stampeding sound you're about to hear is from the throngs of illegals who just found a way to beat the system. Show up on a property, get yourself roughed up, hire a lawyer. This is just....I'm speechless.
Maybe thats the real plan here. The illegals, who now own a sizable and likely valuable piece of property will not be able to pay the taxes and the county seizes it, sells it, and gets the cash.
All your ranch are belong to us...
amigo!
LOL!
"This guy better apeal this, the Illegals have no standing here what so ever. New way to own land, sneak across the border and have a judge take land away from a citizen and give it to an ILLEGAL alien. We need to take some drastic action on judges like this."
According to Bush we are vigilantes and illegals are just looking for work. Bush and AG Gonzales are probably dancing a jig together over the news that American citizens are losing their property rights to illegals who have no rights here.
?????? WTH?????
Works for me...
I was thinking it would be at least 5 years before the west went the way of Yugoslavia, The SW USA is a smoldering fire that our government is pouring gasoline on.
Shameful. This is an outrage. We cannot accept this kind of injustice. This is the reason the second amendment exists. When our government no longer acts in the best interest of its citizens, it's time we take our government back. It might just be time to get our guns.
Nethercutt is not popular with management here, but RR was a legitimate force trying to deal with illegals who were cutting across ranches and terrorizing owners in their houses, sometimes raping and robbing, always stealing anything that wasn't nailed down. Just another group of folks doing jobs the governmental entity refuses to do. And not the governmental entity has found a way to put them out of business.
This judge needs to be put out of business. Anybody know the name?
We are standing by as our nation is being flushed down the toilet. Makes one wonder why we are sending our troops to Irag to defend liberty while we are losing our liberty here.
Come on over, for you too can own another's property.
Pick fight, get lawyer, sue for property, gain property,
if I'm from south of the border.
Is this a great county or what?
Don't be surprised my fellow Americans, this is only the beginning. The worst is yet to come.
It seems from this picture, that GWB doesn't care much for Fox, but I could be reading it wrong.
Salt
I've seen it posted before and it bears repeating.
"The American people have no-one to turn to."
Blood in the Streets?
It's beginning to appear our so-called leaders are
paving the way for this to happen.
Marxist Justice
I wish Tony Snow would have had this information when he was talking to Richardson and Newt this morning.
Like the ACLU ...and many others...
Against all enemies.. both foreign and domestic
imo
Now that the court has screwed this rancher, These destitute illegals can sell it for a very nice profit. They sure as heck can't pay the taxes. Or maybe the previous owner will be required to pay them for these poor illegals. BARF BARF BARF. Amen.
This could be a landmark case, a turning point for the anti-illegal invasion, and a turning point for the tolerance of groups that support illegals.
This is unreal.
Hoppy
Kinda a mini version of giving Israel to terrorists as a reward for murder, rape,torture,destruction...and now narco terrorism..
Half right: he just sensed that Fox is going for his wallet in his back pocket and is turning to the right to block him.
(But don't hold your breath for him to 'turn to the right' as our country suffers this invasion.)
Looking back at the past several years, I'd say it's quite believable.
It's a personal injury case -- the claim is that the rancher harmed them. If he did (and I guess that's what the trial found), then illegals have just as much right to sue over bodily harm as anybody else.
Just think, people are taking notes about our court system, and you can bet those looking at this case from south of the border are licking their chops.
Read the article again, it was a jury trial. I can almost 100% guarantee you it was a hispanic jury that found in their favor. Remember you dont have to have a unanimous vote in a civil proceeding. Same thing will happen over and over again as Hispanics bring their rascism, crime and corruption here.
further proof that our nation is insane
further proof that our nation is insane
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2005-08-19 21:31 | User Profile
Yup... the natives are in a bad mood.
BTW, I'd have to read about this case thoroughly and see what the terms were. Overall though I'd say losing a 70 acre section of land, [I]per se[/I] in that part of country is not a devasting economic blow. On that land you could maybe graze a couple of skinny goats.
It does show the big weakness of civilian vigilante operations - liability. (Gov't law enforcement agencies of course are immune). Clearly, the success in such operations keeping in business depends on their working closely with the gov't law enforcement agencies, which helps shield them from liability.
Not something anti-gov't types in general tend to relish of course. But maybe that's a good thing - it helps keep the crazies away.
2005-08-19 21:59 | User Profile
So can the former owner now sue the two illegals on RICOH?:shocking:
2005-08-19 21:59 | User Profile
So much for the "patroitism" of the folks who run "Free" Republic with the pulling of that thread. Terry Anderson is right, Jim Robinson sucks. The only borders he gives a damn about are those of the folks who pay his sorry a$$.
2005-08-19 22:01 | User Profile
There have been prosecutions of property owners along the border, including little olde ladies and little olde men, all along. It seems that the recent publicity has taken the heat off of the property owners.
Dees is a jew---ain't he?
Here's an excellent petition to sign: [url]http://www.reformus.org/[/url]
2005-08-19 23:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch] Dees is a jew---ain't he? [/QUOTE]Worse. :thumbd:
Actually there's sort of a long story about Dees and how he got that "Seligman" middle name. Seems like as I recall his old man was a philosemite of sorts.
2005-08-20 01:12 | User Profile
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2005-08-20 05:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE][B]Overall though I'd say losing a 70 acre section of land, per se in that part of country is not a devasting economic blow[/B]. [/QUOTE]
Are you ****ING HIGH????
[B]Oh [/B] how I wish it was [I]the only 70 acres you had to your name[/I] in this world.....
2005-08-20 05:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Are you ****ING HIGH????
[B]Oh [/B] how I wish it was [I]the only 70 acres you had to your name[/I] in this world.....[/QUOTE]I'm not belittling it, just without any info trying to put it in possible perspective. I hope its not the only assets he's got in this world. And its not 70 acres in New York spiderman. There [I]is[/I] a difference.
2005-08-20 05:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'm not belittling it, just without any info trying to put it in possible perspective. I hope its not the only assets he's got in this world. And its not 70 acres in New York spiderman. There [I]is[/I] a difference.[/QUOTE]
1- It's the principle!
2- The ranch was awarded on a default judgment, which indicates to me that it just might have [I]been [/I] his entire assets.
3- If there were 70 extra acres in NYC, we'd have six boroughs, not five.
2005-08-20 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]3- If there were 70 extra acres in NYC, we'd have six boroughs, not five.[/QUOTE]70 acres in NYC is probably worth the rural parts of several counties in Arizona.
2005-08-20 15:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]1- It's the principle!
2- The ranch was awarded on a default judgment, which indicates to me that it just might have [I]been [/I] his entire assets.
3- If there were 70 extra acres in NYC, we'd have six boroughs, not five.[/QUOTE] Here's the article BTW, for reference.
[QUOTE]DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.
Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.
"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.
Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."
The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.
Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous."
"The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. Hell, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos."
The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo MancÃÆ*a GonzÃÆáles and FÃÆátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.
Ms. Bruner said that Mr. MancÃÆ*a and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.
Mr. MancÃÆ*a, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.
Mr. MancÃÆa and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. MancÃÆa with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.
The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott [Lied] when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.
Mr. MancÃÆ*a and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.
Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.
Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment.
Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week.
"It scared the hell out of her," Margaret Pauline Nethercott, the mother of Mr. Nethercott and Ms. Albitz, said of the lawsuit. "She didn't know she had done anything illegal. We didn't know they had a judgment against my son."
This was not the first time the law center had taken property from a group on behalf of a client. In 1987, the headquarters of a Ku Klux Klan group in Alabama was given to the mother of a boy whose murder was tied to Klansmen. Property has also been taken from the Aryan Nations and the White Aryan Resistance, Mr. Dees said.
Joseph Jacobson, a lawyer in Austin who represented Mr. Nethercott in the criminal case, said the award was "a vast sum of money for a very small indignity." Mr. Jacobson said the two immigrants were trespassing on Mr. Sutton's ranch and would have been deported had the criminal charges not been filed against Mr. Nethercott.
He criticized the law center for trying to get $60,000 in bail money transferred to the immigrants. While the center said the money was Mr. Nethercott's, Mr. Jacobson said it was actually Ms. Nethercott's, who mortgaged her home to post bail for her son.
Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote had a falling out in 2004, and Mr. Foote left Camp Thunderbird, taking Ranch Rescue with him. Mr. Nethercott then formed the Arizona Guard, also based on his ranch.
In April, Mr. Nethercott told an Arizona television station, "We're going to come out here and close the border with machine guns." But by the end of the month, he had started his prison sentence.
Now, only remnants of Camp Thunderbird remain on his ranch, a vast expanse of hard red soil, mesquite and tumbleweed with a house and two bunkhouses. One bunkhouse has a storeroom containing some camouflage suits, sleeping bags, tarps, emergency rations, empty ammunition crates, gun parts and a chemical warfare protection suit.
In one part of the ranch, dirt is piled up to form the backdrop of a firing range. An old water tank, riddled with bullet holes, is on its side. A platform was built as an observation post on the tower that once held the water tank.
Charles Jones, who was hired as a ranch hand about a month before Mr. Nethercott went to prison, put up fences and brought in cattle to graze. He has continued to live on the property with some family members.
But now the cattle are gone, and Mr. Jones has been told that he should prepare to leave. "It makes me sick I did all this work," he said.
Ms. Nethercott said she was not sure whether her son knew that his ranch was being turned over to the immigrants, but that he would be crushed if he did.
"That's his whole life," she said of the ranch. "He'd be heartbroken if he lost it in any way, but this is the worst way."[/QUOTE]
2005-08-20 15:21 | User Profile
I wish upon Morris Dees the absolutely worst things that can happen to a person. He is nothing but pure pond scum.
2005-08-20 16:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]I wish upon Morris Dees the absolutely worst things that can happen to a person. He is nothing but pure pond scum.[/QUOTE]I would classify Morris Dees as a legal/litigorial gangster. But he of course works in the service of the regime, by which he has come to prosper. He just does the sort of dirty work the regime doesn't always want to soil its hands with, like harasssing immigration opponents.
All corrupt lawless regimes of course employ a class of criminals working in symbosis with it. In our system they just happen to be lawyers in general.
2005-08-20 16:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]All corrupt lawless regimes of course employ a class of criminals working in symbosis with it. In our system they just happen to be lawyers in general.[/QUOTE]Aka, regime criminals. Golly, Uh-oh, I sound just like Martin Lindstedt. :whstl:
2005-08-20 16:39 | User Profile
Okie,
I got your drift. Years ago I was called for federal jury selection. I was asked what I thought of the Klan and the NAACP. In a nutshell, I told them the former was known to use physical terrorism while the latter used legal terrorism. Needless to say, I was struck from the jury pool.
2005-08-20 17:08 | User Profile
Don't treat the "disease" but the sourse of the same by going after the lawyers that keep on defending the illegals and pretty soon no lawyers will defend them. :clap:
2005-08-20 21:46 | User Profile
A story like this is exactly what the Freepers need in order to get the truth through their thick heads that George Bush and the Republicans are not on their side and will not be helping them, that this is what it's like to live under an alien power, and that we live in a nation in which White men have no rights.
2005-08-20 22:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=PaleoconAvatar]A story like this is exactly what the Freepers need in order to get the truth through their thick heads that George Bush and the Republicans are not on their side and will not be helping them, that this is what it's like to live under an alien power, and that we live in a nation in which White men have no rights.[/QUOTE] I don't get how a foreign national illegally in the US, has a complaint, if they are caught & held, for the police, for tresspassing on private property, by the owner of the property. :argue:
This really puts concealed carry permits in jeopardy---better not pull that gun!
[url="http://www.reformus.org/"]http://www.reformus.org/[/url]
2005-08-21 01:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Dees is a jew---ain't he?[/QUOTE] He isn't called Seligman without cause.:caiphas:
2005-08-21 01:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=6KILLER]He isn't called Seligman without cause.:caiphas:[/QUOTE] Hmmm. Okie doesn't seem to think so...he's calling Dees a philosemite...:hitler:
2005-08-21 03:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Hmmm. Okie doesn't seem to think so...he's calling Dees a philosemite...:hitler:[/QUOTE]You're right, I don't think he's a jew, although a lot of the people he's worked with seem to have been.
[URL=http://myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=morrisdees]This link[/URL] for instance shows he's really just a white liberal, raised a Southern Baptist.
For such a key person, a lot of WN's seem pretty lazy actually about actually studying his bio and learning the basic facts about Mssr Dees. A search on him repeatedly identifies WN's calling him a jew.
Of course a gentile taking and prominently using a name like "Seligman", "Goldberg" "Silverstein" etc is definitely philosemitic, like I said. There's an interesting story there.
2005-08-21 04:25 | User Profile
[left][color=black]It appears that one of the benefactors (Victims?) in this case is jewish.[/color][/left]
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[size=6][color=darkred]The Birth of the International Federation of Messianic Jews[/color][/size] By Rabbi Haim Levi
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Prologue:
The history of the Sephardic Jews, also referred to as Sephardim, has its genesis in Israel during the year 4690 (according to the Jewish calendar) or 930 BC when King Solomon sent a large group of Israelites (my Sephardic ancestors) to the land of Tarshish (c.f. I Kings 10:22). Tarshish is the ancient biblical name for the nation that we now know as Spain and which had become known to Jews as ââ¬ÅSepharadââ¬Â in Hebrew. The Jewish presence in Spain spans more than thirty centuries. For example, according to some ancient Spanish historians, even the tomb of Solomonââ¬â¢s famous general Adoniram was located in Murviedo, Spain.
In the year 6460 (or AD 700), Spain was invaded by Muslims (also known as the Moors). Spain then became a Sephardic-Muslim ruled nation. This Muslim rule had spanned some 700 years until the Muslims were driven out of the Iberian Peninsula by the military forces of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain. Shortly thereafter, the Catholic Church received authority from the Vatican in Rome to establish the office of the ââ¬ÅHoly Inquisitionââ¬Â in an effort to force all Jews to convert to Catholicism. When this governmental policy did not effectuate Jewish conversions to Catholicism, tens of thousands of Spanish Jews in Barcelona, Toledo, and in many towns and villages across Spain were burned at the stake, tortured, killed, or expelled from Spain.
After Jews had been living in Spain for more than 2500 years, my Jewish ancestors were expelled from Spanish soil (and their second Jewish homeland ââ¬ÅEretz Yisrael be Sefaradââ¬Â) on the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av AD 1492 CE (4690). Five years later on AD 1497 (4695), Portugal proceeded to expel the remainder of the Jewish brethren living in that land. The name Sefarad comes from the Hebrew root word Sefer, which means book. The term was used in the Iberian Peninsula and is also derived from the Hebrew root word Ivrit, which means Hebrew. There are many other examples of Sephardic names still found in the Spanish culture. For example, the current Spanish city named Toledo means generation in Hebrew.
My wifeââ¬â¢s Sephardic roots
My wifeââ¬â¢s Spanish Jewish relatives, the Sottos, Levys, Carios, and the Saltiels, were forced to move from Barcelona, Spain as a result of the expulsion edict of King Ferdinand in AD 1492. My wifeââ¬â¢s ancestors then settled in the city of Salonika, Greece in the year AD 1940 (5700). Her family lived in Greece until General Kurt Waldheim of the German army commanded all Jews in Greece to be deported to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp in Poland. Approximately 90% of all Sephardic Jews living in the Balkan nations were horrifically turned into ashes by the Nazi regime and its collaborators during the Second World War. Rachelleââ¬â¢s only relatives that survived the Nazi concentration camps were her mother, Lucia Levy, who died later in the United States; her uncle, Chaim Levy, who eventually died in Tel Aviv, Israel as a result of the harsh treatment and injuries received at the hands of the British. (He was captured trying to escape to Israel during World War II, and then sent to the refugee camps in Cyprus administered by British troops.) Rachelleââ¬â¢s father, Eliezer, now lives in Atlanta and her uncle, Isaac Sotto, now resides in Cincinnati, Ohio.
[img]http://www.ifmj.org/images/orthodoxJew.jpg[/img]My familyââ¬â¢s Sephardic roots
The story of familyââ¬â¢s Sephardic Jewish roots begins in Medellin, Colombia where a colony of Sephardic Jews from Spain, Holland, and Portugal settled in the late 1500s. My father and grandmother, may they rest in peace, are the ones who constantly reminded me of my Sephardic and Levitical Jewish heritage. My immediate ancestors came from either Portugal or from Toledo, Granada, and Cordova, Spain. My family tree surnames are Cano (Cohen) [color=red]Leiva[/color], Acevedo, Lopez de Mesa, Cardona, and Alvarez.
**DNA Testing **
Recently, as a matter of interest, I had genetic testing done which resulted in a determination that I am indeed a Kohen (a member of the Levite tribe). This finding indicates that in spite of 3500 years of genetic mutations, I am related to both Aaron and Moses.... (The entire story coming soon!)
2005-08-21 22:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Hmmm. Okie doesn't seem to think so...he's calling Dees a philosemite...[/QUOTE]
Don't overlook the possibility of cuckoldry. Dees's face has a Jewish phenotype, including pronounced facial torsion dysmorphia.
2005-08-21 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]facial torsion dysmorphia.[/QUOTE] Rat-like features in simpler terms?
2005-08-22 19:05 | User Profile
I'm talking about the twisted aspect. The top part of the face has one axis of symmetry, and the bottom part has a different axis of symmetry running at an angle of 10-20 degrees from the perpendicular.
2005-08-23 03:16 | User Profile
Not sure about Mo Sleeze, but the splc co-counder 'Levin' is certainly a jooo.