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Palestinians see Gaza moves as a ‘short dream’

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albion [OP]

2005-08-19 19:48 | User Profile

Israeli withdrawal from settlements a very small step in larger struggle

The emotional removal of Jewish settlers from Gaza Strip is not seen as a great victory by the Palestinians, but rather a "short dream" and a small step on the way to the "long dream" of Palestinian independence. [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8998417/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8998417/[/url]

They are looking forward to seeing the last of the Jewish settlers pull back from the Gaza Strip and they are looking forward to freedom of movement up and down the Gaza Strip. For all Palestinians, the settlements were really an impediment to movement. They blocked off large areas of land, a total of about 20 percent of the whole Gaza Strip. They blocked off vital roads leading to the north and south, and east to west of the Gaza Strip — almost randomly at times it seemed.

So, now they will be able to move on all the roads, without Israeli checkpoints and without the settlers. They hope that the whole of the Gaza Strip will be free and accessible for them.

Is there a sense of sympathy or empathy for the Jewish settlers being dragged from their homes on the part of Palestinians because they’ve been through the same sort of thing themselves? I have not heard the slightest bit of sympathy for them from the Palestinians. All that is heard on this side is that it’s been 38 years of occupation and it’s taken this long. Why has it taken this long? And thank God it’s finally over. **Has the imagery of the settler’s removal led to a shift among the Palestinians from feeling like the victim to now feeling momentarily like they are the victors? ** Not at all. You would think that everyone here would be celebrating the end of this military occupation, but every Palestinian we’ve talked to has said that this is only a first step in the establishment of the Palestinian independent state. It’s not going to be Gaza first, and then Gaza last. There is still the West Bank and East Jerusalem, yet.

This is just the “short dream,” as they call it here. The withdrawal from Gaza is just the “short dream.” It’s the “long dream” that they really want and that’s of course Jerusalem. [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8998417/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8998417/[/url]

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050819/capt.dam10308191916.mideast_syria_palestinians_dam103.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A young boy holds a flag as he is carried shoulder high as thousands of Palestinans celebrate the withdrawal of Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip, at the Yarmouk refugee Camp, near Damascus, Syria Friday Aug. 19, 2005.[/font]

albion

2005-08-19 20:04 | User Profile

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050819/capt.jrl14408191803.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl144.jpg[/img] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050819/capt.sge.amx57.190805170233.photo00.photo.default-259x384.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas gestures as he addresses a crowd at a rally celebrating the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, at the Gaza international airport, outside Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, Friday, Aug. 19, 2005. Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas on Friday promised his people jobs, freedom of movement and new homes after Israel's Gaza pullout.[/font]

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almahdi

2005-08-20 03:17 | User Profile

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children..... We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Occupaid Land of Palestine We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in any manner Faisal Alhusseini Said... Our ultimate goal is still the liberation of all Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean sea.[img]http://alhusseini.com/symbol.gif[/img]

albion

2005-08-20 04:17 | User Profile

Apocalypse Now by Aaron D. Wolf [url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/April2003/0403Wolf.html"]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/April2003/0403Wolf.html[/url] [font=Verdana][size=2]“If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” —Mark 3:25[/size][/font]

[left][font=Verdana][size=2]American evangelicals, according to former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, “are the Israelis’ best friend in the whole world.” In return, they dubbed him “the Ronald Reagan of Israel.” That so many are still surprised by those statements indicates that, by and large, those happy to be called evangelicals or even fundamentalists have been largely ignored by most of the dominant American mass culture, though a few outside the fold who have stopped ignoring this “sleeping giant” have reaped tremendous rewards: election victories, foreign-policy directives, and undying political loyalty.

Republicans, driven by such key evangelical leaders as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, have, at least since the Reagan Revolution, made use of the “Christian Right” during election season, parroting such shibboleths as “pro-life” and “pro-family” to the soul-stirring delight of the world-weary faithful; those who are the most interested in being “best friends” with the evangelicals, however, are the Israeli political right, whose political objectives are the unlimited expansion of Israeli territories and the subjugation (if not deportation or even elimination) of the Palestinians.[/size][/font]

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[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050819/capt.jrl12208191430.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl122.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Two Palestinian members of the Fatah movement wave Palestinian flags, as a group of Palestinians take part in the Friday midday prayer in the outskirts of the Rafah refugee camp, near the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements.[/font]

albion

2005-08-20 04:54 | User Profile

[center][img]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/ChronCultRev.jpg[/img]

[/center] [font=Verdana][size=2]by Aaron D. Wolf[/size][/font] [font=Verdana][size=2][/size][/font] [font=Verdana][size=2]PALESTINIAN . . . Lutherans? To many American Christians following the conflict in the Holy Land, this moniker sounds as oxymoronic as the more general “Palestinian Christians.” American evangelical end-times buffs—and their number is legion—simply cannot admit, as they attempt to match daily news items with chapter and verse from Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation, the fact that many Palestinians are not Muslims but fellow Christians. Some of these indigenous residents of the contested region—and their number is growing—even adhere to what Gene Edward Veith calls “the way of the first Evangelicals”: Lutheranism.[/size][/font] [font=Verdana][size=2]The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan (and Palestine)—the ELCJ—traces its roots back to the 1898 founding of the Redeemer Lutheran Church in Jerusalem by German missionaries and Palestinian converts to Christianity. Located a mere hundred yards from the traditional site of Christ’s still-empty tomb, Redeemer is the seat of the ELCJ’s bishop, Munib A. Younan.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2]Overall, the ELCJ boasts 2,000 members in six congregations located in Jerusalem, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Beit Jala, Beir Sahour, and Amman, Jordan. Each congregation has a school, and Jerusalem’s Redeemer Lutheran supports the Augusta Victoria Hospital, located on the Mount of Olives for over 50 years. [url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/June2002/0602Wolf.html"]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/June2002/0602Wolf.html[/url][/size][/font]

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050819/i/r1954535355.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Palestinian women attend Friday prayer near Morag Jewish settlement, southern Gaza Strip, August 19, 2005. Palestinians have welcomed the removal of the Gaza settlers and another 500 from the West Bank, but fear Israel aims to keep most of the other settlements housing 230,000 settlers forever. Some 3.8 million Palestinians live in Gaza and the West Bank.[/font]

albion

2005-08-20 05:05 | User Profile

[font=Courier New]Tel Aviv seals borders to civilians; ** move alters prospects for Mideast peace **[/font] [font=Courier New]KISSUFIM CROSSING, Israel - Israel set its Gaza pullout into motion on Monday, blocking access to Jewish settlements in the occupied territory and giving settlers a 48-hour deadline to leave or be removed. [/font] [font=Courier New]It marks the first time Israel has given up settled land claimed by the Palestinians for their future state. [/font] [font=Courier New]Eviction notices to the 9,000 settlers in all 21 settlements in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank went into effect at midnight (5 p.m. ET), setting the stage for what could be one of the most traumatic events in the Jewish state’s history. [/font] [font=Courier New]“We definitely won’t make it easy for those coming to expel us,” Gaza settler council chairman Avner Shimoni said. “If you ask me, 50 to 60 percent of us will remain and the rest will leave [before Wednesday].” [/font] [font=Courier New]Under the slogan “Jews don’t expel Jews”, settler leaders have been waging an emotional public campaign against Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s plan to “disengage” from occupied areas he said have little security value for Israel. [/font] [font=Courier New]Palestinians, seeking a state in the West Bank and Gaza, welcome Israeli withdrawal from land captured in the 1967 Middle East war. But they fear Sharon devised the Gaza plan as a ruse to cement Israel’s hold on most of the West Bank, where 230,000 settlers and 2.4 million Palestinians live. [img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050814/050814_gaza_hmed_3p.h2.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New][size=2]Israeli soldiers post a sign at the Kisufim checkpoint, [/size][/font] [/font][font=Courier New][size=2]closing the entrance to the Gaza Strip early Monday.[/size][/font]

[font=Courier New]‘Entry ... forbidden by law!’ “We feel security with the near end of the occupation and the evacuation of settlers,” said Tawfiq al-Emawi, 31, a Palestinian from Gaza’s Deir al-Balah refugee camp. “And also we have high hopes for a better economy after the withdrawal.” [/font]

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050820/i/r1520473469.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Palestinian boys look from inside their family house near the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip.[/font]

albion

2005-08-20 18:53 | User Profile

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.xjrl12008181827.mideast_israel_palestinains_xjrl120.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Masked Palestinian militants of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) march during a rally to celebrate the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza settlements, in the outskirts of Gaza City, near the Israeli settlement of Netzarim, Thursday, Aug. 18[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.xjrl10108181736.mideast_israel_palestinains_xjrl101.jpg[/img]

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050819/i/r2559461650.jpg[/img] A Palestinian carries a poster of Hamas's late leader Ahmed Yassin in al-Yarmouk camp near Damascus August 19,2005. Hundreds of Palestinians had gathered to celebrate Israel's pullout from Gaza.

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.jrl17008181514.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl170.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Religious Palestinian women bathe in the Mediterranean Sea on the beach near the Jewish settlement of Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.[/font]

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050818/i/r682379986.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]An elderly Palestinian woman mourns during the funeral of two Palestinian brothers, Bassam and Osama Tafashmeh, in the West Bank town of Sinjil August 18, 2005. A Jewish settler shot dead four Palestinians in the West Bank on Wednesday, drawing a threat of retaliation from Palestinian militants which could complicate Israel's withdrawal from the occupied Gaza Strip.[/font]

Ponce

2005-08-20 20:22 | User Profile

Oi Vey, Oi Vey, they made me leave my stolen land and my beautifull home build with US tax payer money Oi Vey, Oi Vey what shall I do now? ......I KNOW, I will move into my more beautifull home build with MORE US tax payer money.

The return of 10% of the stolen land is not the return of 100% or the stolen land.

Six to one that the Jews will be back in the Gaza in six months or less, any bets?

albion

2005-08-21 05:15 | User Profile

[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050818/i/r1054505656.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Armed militants from the Islamic Jihad movement march during celebrations of Israel's imminent pullout from Gaza in front of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim in the southern Gaza Strip [/font] [font=Courier New]August 18, 2005.[/font] [font=Courier New][img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.jrl17408181637.mideast_israel_palestinians__jrl174.jpg[/img] Palestinian mourners carry the body of Mohammed Mansour, as gunmen shoot in the air during his funeral in the West Bank village of Kalil near Nablus Thursday Aug. 18, 2005. Mansour, 50, was killed on Wednesday when a Jewish settler shot four Palestinian laborers working in an aluminum factory in a West Bank settlement, including two workers he had just had lunch with.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050818/i/r1780448242.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Palestinian security forces prevent protesters from coming close to the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim during celebration of Israel's imminent pullout from Gaza in the southern Gaza Strip.[/font]

Angeleyes

2005-08-22 03:25 | User Profile

Talk is cheap. What have you done? Talk. I'll take your theoretical bet, a theoretical dollar.

On February 21, 2006, we shall see who pays up, in theoretical currency.

AE [QUOTE=Ponce]Oi Vey, Oi Vey, they made me leave my stolen land and my beautifull home build with US tax payer money Oi Vey, Oi Vey what shall I do now? ......I KNOW, I will move into my more beautifull home build with MORE US tax payer money.

The return of 10% of the stolen land is not the return of 100% or the stolen land.

Six to one that the Jews will be back in the Gaza in six months or less, any bets?[/QUOTE]

albion

2005-08-22 22:25 | User Profile

**Palestinian Groups Jostle for Gaza Control ** [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050822/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_private_armies_1;_ylt=AmPFS9i_rECh1j38OCRLynEUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050822/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_private_armies_1;_ylt=AmPFS9i_rECh1j38OCRLynEUvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl[/url]

RAFAH, Gaza Strip - In a military training camp run by the ruling Fatah movement, hundreds of young Palestinians marched in formation Monday and sprinted across a sandy lot. Nearby, hundreds of Islamic Jihad gunmen in black ski masks paraded in the streets, some riding in jeeps, raising AK-47 assault rifles and posing with rocket launchers. Yet a third militant group, Hamas, boasted on its Web site that it has killed more Israelis in more Gaza attacks than any of its rivals — and that it alone deserves credit for Israel's historic pullout from the Mediterranean strip. [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050822/capt.jrl18108222010.mideast_palestinian_gaza_attacks_jrl181.jpg[/img] [font=Courier]Palestinian Hamas supports shout slogans during a rally to celebrate Israel's Gaza withdrawal, in Gaza City, Monday, Aug. 22, 2005. Hamas militants, jockeying to take credit for Israel's Gaza Strip pullout, said they were involved in 54 percent of 400 attacks on Israeli targets in Gaza in the past five years. [/font]

[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050822/i/r4263268541.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier]Palestinian militants from the Hamas movement burn a model of a Jewish settlement during a celebration in the West Bank city of Nablus August 22, 2005.[/FONT]