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Thread ID: 19732 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2005-08-19
2005-08-19 14:10 | User Profile
I think Benedict means well by reaching out to the Jews; like his predecessor, he honestly thinks he's doing the right thing. Unfortunately, to combat anti-Semitism is to strengthen the Jew, so he's really screwing up. What's needed is for the Catholic Church to condemn Israeli crimes, just as the Presbyterians have done via divestment. -- Angler
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050819/ap_on_re_eu/pope_world_youth[/url]
Pope Warns of Increase in Anti-Semitism By DAVID McHUGH, Associated Press Writer
Pope Benedict XVI warned Friday of rising anti-Semitism and hostility to foreigners, winning a standing ovation from members of Germany's oldest Jewish community during a visit to a rebuilt synagogue that had been destroyed by the Nazis.
With the shrill sound of a ram's horn and a choir chanting in Hebrew "peace be with you," Benedict became only the second pope to visit a synagogue, praying and remembering Holocaust victims.
"Today, sadly, we are witnessing the rise of new signs of anti-Semitism and various forms of a general hostility toward foreigners," he said.
Benedict said progress had been made, but "much more remains to be done. We must come to know one another much more and much better."
He did not elaborate on his warning except to call for more vigilance, receiving loud applause from the audience after his remarks.
Earlier, Benedict stood quietly with his hands clasped during a Hebrew prayer before a memorial to the 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany, and strode into the main hall as the choir sang, "Shalom alechem," or "peace be with you."
A shofar, or ram's horn, sounded as the pope sat down at the front. He then listened intently to the cantor's singing in the blue-domed Roonstrasse Synagogue, which was destroyed during the infamous Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938.
Rabbi Netanel Teitlebaum called his visit "a step toward peace between all peoples."
The pope underlined his commitment to continue in the path of his predecessor, John Paul II, who made the first papal visit to a synagogue in Rome in 1986 and improved relations between Catholics and Jews.
"Today I, too, wish to reaffirm that I intend to continue on the path toward improved relations and friendship with the Jewish people, following the decisive lead given by John Paul II," said Benedict, who did much of the theological groundwork for John Paul's outreach while serving as a Vatican official in charge of doctrine.
Outreach to Jews and Muslims is one of the themes of Benedict's first foreign trip since his election as pope on April 19 in conjunction with the World Youth Day festival that has drawn over 300,000 young people to Cologne.
Progress had been made, he said, but "much more remains to be done. We must come to know one another much more and much better."
He did not say where or among whom he saw rising signs of anti-Semitism, but called simply for more vigilance and stressed the Roman Catholic Church's belief in the equality of all and respect for human life. He was answered with loud applause from the audience.
The German-born pope did not discuss his own personal experience of World War II ââ¬â being unwillingly enrolled in the Hitler Youth as a teenager and risking execution by deserting the German army at the end of the war.
He was given a shofar as a gift from the congregation, which has roots going back to Roman times. Some 11,000 Jews from Cologne died in the Holocaust; the community has rebounded in the past decade with the influx of Jews from the former Soviet Union and now numbers 5,000.
Benedict's visit appeared to have helped smooth over a dispute between the Vatican and Israel that arose after the Israeli government faulted Benedict for not mentioning attacks on Israelis in a recent condemnation of terrorism. The Vatican responded with a terse statement asking the Israelis not to tell the pope what to say.
Abraham Lehrer, a member of the synagogue board, said the controversy "did not cast any shadow over the synagogue visit."
He noted the presence in the front row of Israel's ambassador to Germany, Shimon Stein, calling that "a sign that the controversy has been overcome."
Benedict's remarks focused on the horror of the Holocaust, the common heritage of Christans and Jews, and the need for better relations to prevent such atrocities from ever happening again.
"In the 20th century, in the darkest period of German and European history, an insane racist ideology, born of neo-paganism, gave rise to the attempt, planned and systematically carried out by the regime, to exterminate European Jewry," he said. "The result has passed into history as the Shoah," he said, using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.
He discussed the efforts to improve Catholic-Jewish relations that began with the Second Vatican Council, at which he was a theological adviser.
"Both Jews and Christians recognize Abraham as their father in faith, and they look to the teachings of Moses and the prophets," he said.
He said it was important not to paper over differences: "I would encourage sincere and trustful dialogue between Jews and Christians, for only in this way will it be possible to arrive at a shared interpretation of disputed historical questions, and above all to make progress towards a theological evaluation of the relationship between Judaism and Christianity," he said.
"This dialogue, if it is to be sincere, must not gloss over or underestimate the existing differences. ... We need to show respect for one another, and to love one another."
2005-08-19 14:59 | User Profile
The Pope is just another shabbos goy like Joel Osteen...:blow:
2005-08-19 17:14 | User Profile
The Church is, among other things, a political institution that wants not only to survive, but to keep its remaining paying parishioners. To do this it must have the Nil Obstat of G-dââ¬â¢s darlings, otherwise there might be many more sex scandals featured in the front pages of the Jew York Times and its cousins.
Despite their theological conservatism on matters dear to me and many here, the two recent popes have been practicing a policy of appeasement. Theyââ¬â¢ve proven to be weak when dealing with the eternal jew. This suggests that the Church has been infiltrated at the highest levels. And this suggests that the Church is weaker than we'd like it to be.
2005-08-19 17:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]The Pope is just another shabbos goy like Joel Osteen...:blow:[/QUOTE]
More like just a weak old man.
2005-08-19 20:13 | User Profile
Polish Noble,
Unfortunately, the Church has been infiltrated at the highest levels by the 'chosen.' Absolutely no doubt in my mind.
May I recommend as a must read for every Catholic 'The Plot Against the Church' by Maurice Pinay. Written for Catholics behind the Maurice Pinay pseudonym, several concerned priests expose those who tirelessly work to neuter and destroy the Catholic Church.
I understand that we've all been programmed to think that conspiracy theories are the pipe-dreams of wackos, but trust me...This book is well researched and well worth the read.
2005-08-19 20:18 | User Profile
Et TU, Benny?
2005-08-19 20:37 | User Profile
Asking the flocks to be vigilant against "anti-semitism" should cause many of the faithful to question why it's necessary to do that in the first place, while at the same time, the Church's faithful are witnessing all signs of Chrisitianity and moral behavior ripped away from all points in the public sphere by those with last names Goldberg, Goldstein, and Goldbaum.
Go ahead Benedict. Do your thing, but don't be surprised to get the letter next year that "there's still alot of work to be done".
2005-08-19 21:01 | User Profile
As the Pope, it's Benedict's job to be "anti-semitic." He should be worried about attacks on Christianity, instead.
2005-08-19 23:13 | User Profile
And what exactly do you mean by dispelling anti-semetism one strengthens 'the jew'.
For a start there is no one Jew, Judaism is a religion, not all in it behave the same, not all have the same beliefs. And the pope saying that there should be no anti-semetism doesn't strengthen me 'a Jew'. I don't feel all of a sudden able to run over to Zion and rule the world with my evil Jew money stealing ways. And would you like to know why? Because they don't exist. You have a go at Jews, for ruling the media, for making more money than you. That's because the Jews are bothered, they go out there and do something. They come to a country in poverty and end up sending their children to the finest schools, then you scorn them for it. Why don't you stop whining about how Jews control the media and set up your own newspaper? You're bitter because you're impotent in the field of getting something done.
Admitedly the Hasidic Jews in western Germany are bringing anti-semetism upon themeselves, they are acting in a less than acceptable manner. But don't believe that by the pope saying a few words it gives me the power and the excuse to overthrow you. The reason I may want to get rid of you is because of the way you are behaving to all but your own. But I won't aim to get rid of your kind because then I'll be one of your kind, a nazi, a fascist, a xenophobic fool who can't find it in themselves to admit that they themeselves have got themeselves into their state. If a Jew gets a job in place of you, maybe there's nothing more behind it than that the Jew can do the job, and the Mr. Goldberg or Mr. Loski is better suited to the job than you. A name is a name, not a person.
2005-08-20 03:30 | User Profile
Pope Benedict
A cultural marxist!
2005-08-20 03:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Rhynome]Why don't you stop whining about how Jews control the media and set up your own newspaper?
These boards are our newspaper. 24-7 source for news and information on your tribe and your shenanigans.
You're bitter because you're impotent in the field of getting something done.
How do you know?
You don't. For all you know we could have numerous doctors, scientists, businessmen and all sorts of folks coming here to sound off and meet like minds. Just think of all the young and middle age white men who may be participating and/or lurking here and planning behind the scenes for our day righting the wrongs. We could be the guy looking at you in the office, on campus or just passing by in the street. And we outnumber you 10 to 1.
Paranoid? Oy vei!
But I won't aim to get rid of your kind because then I'll be one of your kind, a nazi, a fascist, a xenophobic fool who can't find it in themselves to admit that they themeselves have got themeselves into their state.
I've said it before and I'll say it again--we are the blowback.
Get ready, Caiphas.
2005-08-20 04:00 | User Profile
The most heartwarming scene in Schwindler's List: the little girl bidding adeu to the zhids.
Goodbye, Jews
No amount of "anti-semitism" is too much.
2005-08-20 04:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Why don't you stop whining about how Jews control the media and set up your own newspaper?[/QUOTE]
It would be smothered in its swaddling clothes by your people's cultural midwives.
This week, for instance, the NY Daily Zuckerman split its time equally between leeringly playing up a 'scandal' of a supposedly-randy monsignor in his 70s purportedly boinking his good-looking secretary ("Beauty and the Priest", they're calling it, day after day on page 1; oddly enough, no sex scandal involving rabbis has ever gotten beyond a last-minute squib on page 13, column 4) and the now-obligatory attacks on Cindy Sheehan (because if you can count on people who won't don a uniform to fight for either of their countries for [I]anything[/I], it's to question the character of those who'll fight for one in the name of the other).
One's print-media alternatives to this are the NY Post, home of Daniel Pipes, John Podhoretz and Comrade Sandalio; the even-more-Zionist NY Sun, a paper no one actually [I]reads,[/I] which serves as a AA team warehousing Jewish replacements for departing Jewish reporters and columnists on the above two papers; and of course the Times, Hillary Clinton's unofficial campaign headquarters, which prides itself on its big-ticket Progressive Jews who'll voice occasional sympathy for Jewry's victims (but in case anyone gets their hopes up, is still [I]very [/I] much defined by Duranty's Pulitzer).
Between these four worthies, our daily press is far more consumed with monitoring the Racism Motion Detectors theyve placed in every sphere of public life than in reporting, say, the race of nonwhite violent criminals currently at large - let alone the authors and beneficiaries of a little document called the Project For A New American Century.
[I]Think about that for a minute[/I]. Our "tireless and incorruptible" Jewish Fourth Estate is far more obsessed with goading some Christian Zionist handpuppet into murdering Cindy Sheehan than in mentioning out loud (let alone discouragingly) the document by which America and the West burrow into the ninth circle of Hell on behalf of your ratlike tribe of cultural vampires and currency-exchange swindlers.
But even this dark pork-avoiding cloud has a silver lining of sorts. Because soon Team Shmuel is going to [I]get[/I] that majority nonwhite America they've worked so diligently to achieve....and you're not going to be able to bamboozle [B]them[/B] with your [I]we're all brothers in a pluralistic society - so let [B]us [/B] continue to control the money and the information-flow like before [/I] bullshit.
[B]They're [/B] going to want to either drink your blood, wear your skin or mount your heads on poles, and you're quickly running out of goyishe buffers and cannon-fodder to pay to stand in front of you.
2005-08-20 09:23 | User Profile
More nonsense:
[QUOTE]Pope Warns of Anti-Semitism, Xenophobia Friday, August 19, 2005
COLOGNE, Germany ââ¬â Pope Benedict XVI warned Friday of rising anti-Semitism and hostility to foreigners, winning a standing ovation from members of Germany's oldest Jewish community during a visit to a rebuilt synagogue that had been destroyed by the Nazis.
With the shrill sound of a ram's horn and a choir chanting in Hebrew "peace be with you," Benedict became only the second pope to visit a synagogue, praying and remembering Holocaust victims.
"Today, sadly, we are witnessing the rise of new signs of anti-Semitism and various forms of a general hostility toward foreigners," he said.
Benedict said progress had been made, but "much more remains to be done. We must come to know one another much more and much better."
He did not elaborate on his warning except to call for more vigilance, receiving loud applause from the audience after his remarks.
Earlier, Benedict stood quietly with his hands clasped during a Hebrew prayer before a memorial to the 6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany, and strode into the main hall as the choir sang, "Shalom alechem," or "peace be with you."
A shofar (search), or ram's horn, sounded as the pope sat down at the front. He then listened intently to the cantor's singing in the blue-domed Roonstrasse Synagogue (search), which was destroyed during the infamous Kristallnacht (search) pogrom in 1938.
Rabbi Netanel Teitlebaum called his visit "a step toward peace between all peoples."
The pope underlined his commitment to continue in the path of his predecessor, John Paul II (search), who made the first papal visit to a synagogue in Rome in 1986 and improved relations between Catholics and Jews.
"Today I, too, wish to reaffirm that I intend to continue on the path toward improved relations and friendship with the Jewish people, following the decisive lead given by John Paul II," said Benedict, who did much of the theological groundwork for John Paul's outreach while serving as a Vatican official in charge of doctrine.
Outreach to Jews and Muslims is one of the themes of Benedict's first foreign trip since his election as pope on April 19 in conjunction with the World Youth Day (search) festival that has drawn over 300,000 young people to Cologne.
Progress had been made, he said, but "much more remains to be done. We must come to know one another much more and much better."
He did not say where or among whom he saw rising signs of anti-Semitism, but called simply for more vigilance and stressed the Roman Catholic Church's belief in the equality of all and respect for human life. He was answered with loud applause from the audience.
The German-born pope did not discuss his own personal experience of World War II ââ¬â being unwillingly enrolled in the Hitler Youth (search) as a teenager and risking execution by deserting the German army at the end of the war.
He was given a shofar as a gift from the congregation, which has roots going back to Roman times. Some 11,000 Jews from Cologne died in the Holocaust; the community has rebounded in the past decade with the influx of Jews from the former Soviet Union and now numbers 5,000.
Benedict's visit appeared to have helped smooth over a dispute between the Vatican and Israel that arose after the Israeli government faulted Benedict for not mentioning attacks on Israelis in a recent condemnation of terrorism. The Vatican responded with a terse statement asking the Israelis not to tell the pope what to say.
Abraham Lehrer, a member of the synagogue board, said the controversy "did not cast any shadow over the synagogue visit."
He noted the presence in the front row of Israel's ambassador to Germany, Shimon Stein, calling that "a sign that the controversy has been overcome."
Benedict's remarks focused on the horror of the Holocaust, the common heritage of Christans and Jews, and the need for better relations to prevent such atrocities from ever happening again.
"In the 20th century, in the darkest period of German and European history, an insane racist ideology, born of neo-paganism, gave rise to the attempt, planned and systematically carried out by the regime, to exterminate European Jewry," he said.
"The result has passed into history as the Shoah," he said, using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.
He discussed the efforts to improve Catholic-Jewish relations that began with the Second Vatican Council (search), at which he was a theological adviser.
"Both Jews and Christians recognize Abraham as their father in faith, and they look to the teachings of Moses and the prophets," he said.
He said it was important not to paper over differences: "I would encourage sincere and trustful dialogue between Jews and Christians, for only in this way will it be possible to arrive at a shared interpretation of disputed historical questions, and above all to make progress towards a theological evaluation of the relationship between Judaism and Christianity," he said.
"This dialogue, if it is to be sincere, must not gloss over or underestimate the existing differences. ... We need to show respect for one another, and to love one another."
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166208,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-08-20 14:04 | User Profile
Il Ragno,
Great reply to Rhynomeovitz. Your use of rhetoric is beyond compare. If we lived in a sane world, your writing would grace the pages of our nations leading publications.
2005-08-20 14:17 | User Profile
Cases like this simply show that even in purely secular sense, localized churches of Protestant (and even Eastern Orthodox) variety are much better than the internationalist structure of Roman Catholicism.
Really, (even surpassing theological arguments) Roman Catholicism is a form of religious [B]hyper-federalism[/B] that by definition suppresses "[B]states'[/B] (local churches')[B] rights[/B]" and cares more about maintaining the organization, by hook or crook, than the grass-roots people involved.
Petr
2005-08-20 14:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Rhynome]And what exactly do you mean by dispelling anti-semetism one strengthens 'the jew'. By "the Jew" I mean primarily Organized Jewry, which in turn consists of all Jews who contribute to or participate in the subversion of government, media, and other institutions for the purpose of supporting Israel and world Jewry at the expense of their host nations. (By the way, it's spelled anti-Semitism, not "anti-Semetism.")
For a start there is no one Jew, Judaism is a religion, not all in it behave the same, not all have the same beliefs. Yes, Judaism is a religion, but not all Jews practice it. Jews are a tribe or ethnic group, not a religious body. Most Jews probably don't keep all the kosher laws. Many don't keep any of them.
I also realize that Jews are not monolithic. Yet Jews are a highly cohesive group, and they very commonly seek to further their own group interests at the expense of the people among whom they live.
If Jews are just individuals with no interest in pushing any unified agenda, then perhaps you can explain why so many Jewish groups exist, nearly all with substantially overlapping agendas: AIPAC, WZO, JINSA, ADL, SPLC, SWC, and about 1000 others.
And the pope saying that there should be no anti-semetism doesn't strengthen me 'a Jew'. Of course it does. There are roughly a billion Catholics on this planet, and probably hundreds of millions of them take what the Pope says very, very seriously. When he makes people believe that Jews are harmless, he is doing a grave disservice, even if he means well and is only striving for reconciliation that will never happen if the Jews have anything to say about it.
I don't feel all of a sudden able to run over to Zion and rule the world with my evil Jew money stealing ways. And would you like to know why? Because they don't exist. You mistakenly assume that money is at the center of the problems people have with Jews. My main problem with Jews is that they have a hold on the US government, thus strongly influencing US foreign policy in the Middle East. Those are the neocon Jews. The liberal Jews are a harmful influence as well, furthering destructive trends like multiculturalism. And both rightist and leftist Jews seem to be in favor of expanding government power in order to advance their agenda. That's why so many Jews are in favor of gun control -- one of my biggest peeves.
You have a go at Jews, for ruling the media, for making more money than you. I'm an engineer who makes considerably more money than most Jews my age, but that's not the issue anyway. If all I cared about was money, I wouldn't have become an engineer; I would have gone into medicine, law, or business. And I have no resentment at all toward people who make more money than I do, whether Jews or Gentiles. Why should I? I'm not wealthy, but I make enough to be perfectly satisfied and even give to charity.
That's because the Jews are bothered, they go out there and do something. They come to a country in poverty and end up sending their children to the finest schools, then you scorn them for it. Funny, that's exactly what my parents did. They came here from Europe in total poverty, made something of themselves, then sent me to one of the most selective colleges in the country -- one where Jews are very overrepresented. And it was while I was at that university that I first came face-to-face with the cultural-Marxist dogma that's foisted on so many tender minds by Jews. (Needless to say, it didn't work on me.)
Anyway, disabuse yourself of the notion that I or others are angry at Organized Jewry because of envy. That has nothing to do with it.
Again, you are dwelling on the Why don't you stop whining about how Jews control the media and set up your own newspaper? You're bitter because you're impotent in the field of getting something done. Oh, something will be done, all right.
Admitedly the Hasidic Jews in western Germany are bringing anti-semetism upon themeselves, they are acting in a less than acceptable manner. It's unusual for Jews to admit that anti-Semitism is ever the fault of Jews, so I have to give you credit for this.
But don't believe that by the pope saying a few words it gives me the power and the excuse to overthrow you. I never implied anything like that.
The reason I may want to get rid of you is because of the way you are behaving to all but your own. First of all, you certainly won't get rid of me. Second, I don't behave badly toward anyone who doesn't ask for it. The pro-Israel Jews in the US government and in lobbies, as well as the Jews who lobby for open borders and gun control, are asking for it.
But I won't aim to get rid of your kind because then I'll be one of your kind, a nazi, a fascist, a xenophobic fool who can't find it in themselves to admit that they themeselves have got themeselves into their state. There are few Nazis or fascists on this board. Most believe in traditional American values -- at least I do. But pushing multiculturalism for its own sake is something Jews do to weaken this nation and strengthen their own position.
If a Jew gets a job in place of you, maybe there's nothing more behind it than that the Jew can do the job, and the Mr. Goldberg or Mr. Loski is better suited to the job than you. A name is a name, not a person.[/QUOTE]That has never happened to me. In fact, at my former job there were a couple of Jews whom I had to help do their jobs properly. They weren't stupid, but they sure weren't as special as so many Jews think they are.
2005-08-21 15:17 | User Profile
[img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/08/21/international/21pope3184-wire.jpg[/img] Masses for Youth Day Mass More than 1 million people welcomed Benedict XVI today for the concluding Mass of his four-day trip to Germany.
We need to show respect for one another and to love one another," Benedict said, pressing a theme of interfaith understanding that has marked his first foreign trip as pope. The hourlong stop, for which Cologne's Jews stood and applauded, was filled with significance for the 78-year-old Benedict, who grew up in Nazi Germany. He called those times "the darkest period of German and European history."
Speaking in a synagogue rebuilt after being destroyed by the Nazis, Benedict said that "today, sadly, we are witnessing the rise of new signs of anti-Semitism and various forms of a general hostility toward foreigners."
2005-08-23 07:11 | User Profile
I guess he and the church realize he has to be a good goy now, after his recent slap at Israel. Since many say anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism, I wonder if the Pope properly repented for that "sin"