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Esoterist [OP]

2005-08-18 10:28 | User Profile

[center][color=#0000e1]"The Word of Ha Shem came to me, saying:[/center] [center]¨Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog,[/center] [center]the head prince of Meshekh and Tuval, and prophesy against him.¨[/center] [center]Persia, Kush and Put are with them,[/center] [center]all of them with shield and helmet,[/center] [center]Gomer and all his bands, the house of Togarmah from the far north[/center] [center]and all his bands, many peoples with you."[/color][/center] [right][color=#0000e1]Ezekiel [/color][color=#0000e1]38:1,2,5,6[/color][/right]

[left][color=black]In case some of you "Christians" don't realize what is being said here, I'll spell it out: Israel has been planning for ages a 'final showdown' with the Caucasian and Nordic peoples, their only real competitor on this planet. Why do you think it is stated even in the supposed New Testament that "Salvation is of the Jews"? As Nietsche has pointed out, Jesus is merely a tool in Israel's revenge on Aryo-Roman civilization: [/color][/left]

[left]"This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" bringing salvation and victory to the poor, the sick, the sinful — was he not really temptation in its most sinister and irresistible form, temptation to take the tortuous path to those very Jewish values and those very Jewish ideals? Has not Israel really obtained the final goal of its sublime revenge, by the tortuous paths of this "Redeemer," for all that he might pose as Israel ’s adversary and Israel’s destroyer? Is it not due to the black magic of a really great policy of revenge, of a far-seeking, burrowing revenge, both acting and calculating with slowness, that Israel himself must repudiate before all the world the actual instrument of his own revenge and nail it to the cross, so that all the world — that is, all the enemies of Israel — could nibble without suspicion at this very bait? Could, moreover, any human mind with all its elaborate ingenuity invent a bait that was more truly dangerous?"[/left]

The Genealogy of Morals, First Essay, Section 8

[color=black]Who do you think the apocalyptic figures of Gog and Magog are? OURSELVES!They have thrust this identification onto us, not vice versa; and as Judeo-Christianity has fastened itself on the Western Aryan peoples, we are in such a benumbed state to not even perceive what is happening: the corrosion of our psychological defenses by Judah in a predetermined grand-strategy.[/color]

[url="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR"]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR[/url]:

[left]The end-time battle Israel has been silently working towards for ages involves the destruction of the following nations and peoples. Determine if you and your family are slated for destruction as "idolators", for, as Jesus says, "Salvation is of the Jews".[/left]

[left][url="http://www.imninalu.net/G&M.htm"]http://www.imninalu.net/G&M.htm[/url][/left]

[left][color=black]1) What he prophesied, then, is an end-time battle involving the following nations coming against Israel: Turkey (Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah); Iran (Persia), Sudan (Kush), and Libya (Put).[/left] At present, only the last three states are openly against Israel, while Turkey is the main military settlement of the Western Alliance in the Middle East.[/color] [color=black]2) Gog is not called "king", but "head prince", that means, one that leads a coalition of states not being the actual ruler of each of them. He is an international leader. This aspect fits with the present world political situation. Turkey is the land from which Israel will be attacked, as clearly stated by the geographic description given by the Prophet, yet, the leader may be someone from other nation. The descent of these peoples are now present in western nations, among which the following: British Isles: Celtic, Gaels, Irish, Welsh, Britons (Gomer); Scots (Magog, according to the Milesian genealogy); Anglo-Saxons (Gomer, Magog and Meshekh). France: Gaul, Britons (Gomer); Franks, Goths, other Germanic peoples (Gomer, Magog and Meshekh); Gascons (Tuval). Spain: Celtiberians (Gomer and Tuval); Basques (Tuval); Goths (Meshekh). [size=3]United States: every one of the above mentioned, though the leadership is from British/Irish stock (Gomer, Magog).[/size] Besides, this nation includes a large number of people of African stock (Kush and Put). [/color][size=4][color=#0000e1][size=2][color=black]Turkey is the main ally of these countries in the Middle East. Their apparent "friendship" with Israel should not be misleading, as the "evil one" is also the betrayer that seals an agreement to break it later. Of course, the present political evolution does not discard the possibility that Russia may join them in the future, but according to the prophecy she will not.[/color][/size] [/color][/size]

confederate_commando

2005-08-18 10:44 | User Profile

You've been reading too many heretical fundamentalist tracts...

[QUOTE]Revelation 2:9 NIV (New International Version) 9I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.[/QUOTE]

Petr

2005-08-18 11:35 | User Profile

[COLOR=Indigo][I][B][FONT=Arial] - "In case some of you "Christians" don't realize what is being said here, I'll spell it out: Israel has been planning for ages a 'final showdown' with the Caucasian and Nordic peoples, their only real competitor on this planet. Why do you think it is stated even in the supposed New Testament that "Salvation is of the Jews"? As Nietsche has pointed out, Jesus is merely a tool in Israel's revenge on Aryo-Roman civilization:" [/FONT] [/B][/I] [/COLOR]

In the case [B]you[/B] haven't realized - Nietzsche was just a poet/journalistic commentator with some philosophical pretensions, not any actual scholar worth taking seriously in his historical analysis.

Heck, even in his own days, [B]real[/B] classical scholars like Ulrich Wilamowitz-Moellendorff noticed that.

You really are considering Jews to be near-supernatural creatures, are you? That around 600 BC, they were already planning "final showdown" with "Caucasian and Nordic peoples"... Nordic peoples they had not even met yet.

This is about as laughable as an average dispie interpretation of the book of Revelation. :tongue:

And what was so "Aryo-Roman" about the Roman empire anyways? Originally Semitic, fatalistic philosophy of Stoicism had a great influence in the Roman imperial ideology, and Semitic and Hamitic peoples like Syrians and Berbers were culturally closer to ancient Romans than Germanic tribes.

Petr

Angler

2005-08-18 15:54 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Petr]In the case [B]you[/B] haven't realized - Nietzsche was just a poet/journalistic commentator with some philosophical pretensions, not any actual scholar worth taking seriously in his historical analysis.[/QUOTE]Nietzsche is almost universally regarded as one of the most important philosophers in history, Petr. That doesn't mean all of his ideas were sound, and FWIW, I disagree with many of them myself. But let's give the guy his due: he had some profound and highly influential ideas.

Petr

2005-08-18 16:34 | User Profile

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "But let's give the guy his due: he had some profound and highly influential ideas."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

He was mostly just a Linderesque "shock jock" of philosophy, good with rhetoric but still overrated.

What were his original contributions?

"Overman" ethics, "might is right" stuff had already been introduced by Plato through characters like Callicles and Thrasymachus (not even mentioning Machiavelli). The doctrine of "eternal return" had been introduced by Stoics, and the idea of "going beyond good and evil" had been known to many, many antinomian mystical sects in both West and East.

Also, like Oswald Spengler pointed out, Nietzsche's knowledge was almost entirely limited to Western Christian (and also classical) areas - he had little knowledge or insight on non-Western cultures.

Petr

Petr

2005-08-19 11:42 | User Profile

Well, Esoterist, do you have any interest in defending your thesis? People who just throw soundbites into forum and then withdraw do not tend to gain much respect.

Petr

Esoterist

2005-08-19 17:29 | User Profile

I don't consider Jews to be supernaturally all-powerful, but highly ruthless, organized, and clever competitors. Is such a position unwarranted by the facts? I have no interest in Jews whatsoever, but when I learn this megalomaniacal tribe of bedouins has decreed all non-Jewish property as its own by divine right and devised a program of world-enslavement (Isaiah LX), declared apriori war-to-the death on me, my family and civilization (Roman-Germanic) in their Holy Scriptures (e.g. Ezekiel), and plans to eradicate my kinsfolk in the 'end times' as 'idolaters', I'm bound to reciprocate the perceived aggression out of sheer self-defense.

Re-read Isaiah and Ezekiel again carefully.

Concerning Nietzsche, I never implied he was absolutely right on all questions, just on this one. His naturalistic reductionism and romanticist excesses I find tragic and distasteful. Paul Elmer More summarizes nicely: "The end of [Nietzsche's philosophy] is the clamour of romantic egotism turned into horror at its own vacuity and of romantic sympathy turned into despair. It is naturalism at war with itself and struggling to escape from its own fatality."

As to the ethnical question relating to Israel's historical acquaintance with "Nordic" peoples, you show a great lack of education. The biblical figures of [size=4][color=#0000e1][size=2][color=black]Gomer, Magog, Tuval, Meshekh, Tiras, Ashkenaz, Riphat, Togarmah correspond to the ancestors of the present-day Indo-European and Northern stocks.[/color][/size][/color][/size] Study the following:

[url="http://www.imninalu.net/2history03.htm#North"]http://www.imninalu.net/2history03.htm#North[/url]

The Roman Empire was originally founded on Uranian and solar-Olympian principles, as Augustus liked to refer to himself as 'son of Apollo the Sun'. Entropy is inevitable, especially when the founding population becomes nonexistent...

As to your laughably absurd statement that "Semitic and Hamitic peoples like Syrians and Berbers were culturally closer to ancient Romans than Germanic tribes", I cannot help but wonder whether you are truly so ill-educated or if you are being facetious. Cicero considered Syrians "born slaves". If you care to educate yourself, you will learn that the ancient Latins, the original Roman nucleus, belonged to what scientists call the "civilization of the reindeer" and the "battle-axe" culture of the Nordic Indo-European bloodstock. What is the meaning of the Roman revolt against the Tarquinians but a symbol of Aryan-Western Rome triumphing over the decadent Levantine Etruscan component? Remember Seneca's words: Tuscos Asia Sibi Indicat.

What is the meaning of the clear, sober, and aristocratic spirituality of the patrician worship of Jupiter, Mars, and Apollo? Ancient Rome had a clear system of rites, which in a virile manner regulated the relations between men and gods without terrors or slavish prostrations, in direct contrast to the morbidity of the Levantine Etruscans.

What is the meaning of the annihilation of Carthage, the Southern center of materialism, the city of "the Goddess" (Astarte-Tanit) and the woman (Dido) who had tried to seduce the legendary forefather of the Roman nobility? With the destruction of Carthage, Rome shifted the center of the historical West from the telluric to the Uranian mystery, from the lunar world of the Mothers, to the solar world of the Fathers and the Aryan *patria potestas. *

Rome later reacted against the Bacchic and Aphrodistic influences by literally banning the Bacchanalia and despised the plebeian Mysteries of Asiatic origin because of their tendency toward an unhealthy mysticism. Why did Rome in its integral phase destroy the apocryphal books of Numa Pompilius and strictly outlaw subversive secret societies based on Near Eastern ideology like the Pythagoreans? What does the specific Roman veneration of the classico-Aryan ideas of virtus, fides, constantia, sapientia, dignitas, and gravitas indicate? Could any civilization of the South like the Berbers or Syrians attain to such a strict and solar Apollonian religious spirit?

In the beginning of its Imperial cycle Rome displayed some of its ancient Uranian and virile spirituality:

"The gens Julia can claim both the sanctity of kings, who reign supreme among mortals, and the reverence due to gods, who hold even kings in their power." [Suetonius, Life of the Twelve Caesars (Julius Caesar, 6)].

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Petr

2005-08-19 21:00 | User Profile

There is no way to politely put this - you have an amusingly cartoonish idea of ancient Rome. How ironic that you accuse Nietzsche of excessive romanticism - you yourself view ancient Romans with really rose-colored glasses and project totally anachronistic early 20th-century ideas upon them.

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”Re-read Isaiah and Ezekiel again carefully.”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Already have. Christian Church is the ”new Israel”, and Jews have been disinherited.

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Sienna][B][I] - ”As to the ethnical question relating to Israel's historical acquaintance with "Nordic" peoples, you show a great lack of education.” [/I] [/B] [/COLOR] [/FONT]

You are quoting Christian Identity material and accuse [I]me[/I] of ”great lack of education”? How can you keep a straight face?

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B] [I] - ”The biblical figures of Gomer, Magog, Tuval, Meshekh, Tiras, Ashkenaz, Riphat, Togarmah correspond to the ancestors of the present-day Indo-European and Northern stocks.”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Perhaps some Mediterranean Aryans, but not "Nordics."

Actually it is widely acknowledged that Ezekiel was mainly referring to nomadic Central Asian peoples - Turks considered Togarmah as their ancestor.

Using concepts like these to describe 6th-century BC politics is utterly anachronistic. People back then could not and would not make any real difference between ”Aryan” or ”Semitic” peoples.

And do you even realize how superstitious you look when you argue that Jews are following some 2600-years old plan or that book of Ezekiel has direct relevance to today's politics? Leave that stuff to Bible-believers.

[COLOR=Sienna][I][B][FONT=Arial]- ”The Roman Empire was originally founded on Uranian and solar-Olympian principles, as Augustus liked to refer to himself as 'son of Apollo the Sun'.”[/FONT][/B][/I][/COLOR]

Romantic piffle. Even supposing that this is true, do you think that sun-worship makes you an Aryan? Sudanese, Inkas and Syrians all had highly developed sun-cults.

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”As to your laughably absurd statement that "Semitic and Hamitic peoples like Syrians and Berbers were culturally closer to ancient Romans than Germanic tribes", I cannot help but wonder whether you are truly so ill-educated or if you are being facetious.”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

It’s you whose naiveté is painfully apparent. While the cultural influence of Germanic tribes on Roman society was practically nil, Roman upper class widely adopted ideologies like Stoicism (when not adopting Epicurean debauchery).

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][B]"Zeno [the founder of Stoicism] on the other hand, a native of Citium, a Phoenician colony in Crete, and probably of Semitic race, for he is commonly called ‘the Phoenician.’ Babylon, Tyre, Sidon, Carthage, reared some of his most illustrious of his successors. Not a single Stoic of any name was a native of Greece proper."[/B][/COLOR]

Lightfoot, Philippians, p.273

[url]http://www.askelm.com/people/peo019.htm[/url]

[FONT=Arial] [COLOR=Sienna][B][I] - ”Cicero considered Syrians "born slaves". [/I] [/B] [/COLOR] [/FONT]

This is mere[I] anecdotal evidence [/I] par excellence - at the end of the day, North Africans and Syrians were well assimilated into the Roman Empire, whereas Germanic tribes (as well as Celts of Scotland and Ireland) were [I]not[/I].

And in any case, Cicero was a lawyer, ever ready to speak ill of the opponents of his clients. He badmouthed Greeks and Celts as well:

[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=Indigo]”In the third Catilinarian Oration, Cicero provides a convincing piece of evidence that the gods themselves were on his side: Catiline and his supporters were betrayed by members of the most feared and hated gens known to Rome, the Gauls.”[/COLOR][/FONT]

[url]http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2002/2002-07-31.html[/url]

[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=Navy]"The point is that it was normal in trials in Roman lawcourts for provincial corruption for the defence to appeal to the Roman jury's xenophobia by indulging in racial attacks on the provincials. Thus as well as attacking Greeks and (briefly) Jews in this speech, Cicero spent a good deal of his earlier speech "Pro Fonteio" attacking Gauls (who were there the chief accusers), and in his later speech "Pro Scauro" he spent his time attacking Sardinians." [/COLOR] [/FONT]

[url]http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/1000quote.html[/url]

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”If you care to educate yourself, you will learn that the ancient Latins, the original Roman nucleus, belonged to what scientists call the "civilization of the reindeer" and the "battle-axe" culture of the Nordic Indo-European bloodstock.”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Documentation?

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”What is the meaning of the Roman revolt against the Tarquinians but a symbol of Aryan-Western Rome triumphing over the decadent Levantine Etruscan component? Remember Seneca's words: Tuscos Asia Sibi Indicat.”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

And Romans adopted the Etruscan religion anyways, with titles like "pontifex maximus" and all!

[FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue]"Emerging from this basic concept the Rasenna scrupulously followed a complex code of rituals known by the Romans as the "disciplina etrusca". [B]Even up to the fall of the Roman Empire, the Etruscans were regarded by their contemporaries with great respect for their religion and superstitions[/B].

It may have been the fact that Etruscan religious beliefs and practices were so deep-rooted among the Romans that led to the complete destruction of all Etruscan literature as a result of the advent of Christianity. Arnobius, one of the first Christian apologists, living around 300CE, wrote ,"[B]Etruria is the originator and mother of all superstition[/B]""[/COLOR][/FONT]

[url]http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/religion.html[/url]

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Sienna][B][I] - ”What is the meaning of the clear, sober, and aristocratic spirituality of the patrician worship of Jupiter, Mars, and Apollo? Ancient Rome had a clear system of rites, which in a virile manner regulated the relations between men and gods without terrors or slavish prostrations, in direct contrast to the morbidity of the Levantine Etruscans.”[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

Silly Romantic cliches.

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”What is the meaning of the annihilation of Carthage, the Southern center of materialism, the city of "the Goddess" (Astarte-Tanit) and the woman (Dido) who had tried to seduce the legendary forefather of the Roman nobility? With the destruction of Carthage, Rome shifted the center of the historical West from the telluric to the Uranian mystery, from the lunar world of the Mothers, to the solar world of the Fathers and the Aryan patria potestas. ”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Silly pseudo-scholarly blather, classical scholars would laugh at you. (And kooky feminist mother-goddess "scholars" like Maryja Gimbutas would agree with you)

[FONT=Arial][I][B] [COLOR=Sienna] - ”Rome later reacted against the Bacchic and Aphrodistic influences by literally banning the Bacchanalia and despised the plebeian Mysteries of Asiatic origin because of their tendency toward an unhealthy mysticism.”[/COLOR][/B][/I][/FONT]

Nietzsche would definitely consider you a naive little Apollonian.

[COLOR=Sienna] [FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”Why did Rome in its integral phase destroy the apocryphal books of Numa Pompilius and strictly outlaw subversive secret societies based on Near Eastern ideology like the Pythagoreans?”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Heh, are you sure you want to a brand Pythagoreans as subscribing to a ”subversive Near Eastern ideology”? Most neo-pagans have the greatest admiration for them, Julian the Apostate included.

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Sienna][B][I] - ”What does the specific Roman veneration of the classico-Aryan ideas of virtus, fides, constantia, sapientia, dignitas, and gravitas indicate?”[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

Romans soon became known for their [I]nova sapientia,[/I] cynical Machiavellian cunning that they used in bloodily subduing European peoples like Celtiberians and Gauls. Roman politics were full of oh-so-morally-uplifting cloak and dagger and poison-stuff.

Where was the [I]dignitas[/I] of Julius Caesar when he sold his ass (literally) to the king of Bithynia? Augustus also prostituted himself in the early stages of his career, as your source Suetonius informs us.

[B][COLOR=DarkGreen]"LXVIII. In early youth he incurred the reproach of sundry shameless acts. Sextus Pompey taunted him with effeminacy; Mark Antony with having earned adoption by his uncle through unnatural relations; and Lucius, brother of Mark Antony, that after sacrificing his honour to Caesar he had given himself to Aulus Hirtius in Spain for three hundred thousand sesterces, and that he used to singe his legs with red-hot nutshells, to make the hair grow softer."[/COLOR][/B]

[url]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/suet-aug.html[/url]

[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - ”Could any civilization of the South like the Berbers or Syrians attain to such a strict and solar Apollonian religious spirit?”[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Probably so, especially since Apollon himself had Canaanite-Semitic roots:

[COLOR=Red][B][FONT=Trebuchet MS]”[U]Apollo[/U]: Artemis" brother also has Semitic Eastern connections, as shown previously in mythology and through his cult sites on Cyprus. Apollo Kereates was the Mycenaean Horned God of the temple of Enkomi79 and was identified with the Semitic god Reshef or Re ep, god of lightning. The identification between the two gods is made because both Re ep and Apollo"s areas of influence are healing and plagues; furthermore both are archers: Apollo shoots arrows80 and Re ep firebrands. From this and other evidence it is safe to say that the influences seen in the cult of Apollo are a mix of Cretan, Greek and Syro-Hittite.”[/FONT][/B][/COLOR]

[url]http://phoenicia.org/greek.html#Apollo[/url]

Petr

Esoterist

2005-08-20 10:02 | User Profile

Petr, I'm not going to get into usless arguments with you concerning the Aryanity of ancient Rome, because it's irrelevant to my point: Judeo-Christianity is the Trojan Horse of Western civilization. Jesus' statement that "[size=4][color=#aa0000]Salvation is of the Jews"[/color] [/size][size=2]color=#000000 sounds the death-knell of the Indo-European West.[/color][/size]

I'll only make a few comments.

The forefathers of the "Latins" were a people whose ethnic and spiritual kinship with the family of Nordic-Aryan peoples is unquestionable. These forefathers were a splinter group from the patriarchal "battle-ax people", who practiced the ritual of cremation; this people, after traveling to central Italy, opposed the local Oscan-Sabellian civilization by the funeral ritual of burial.

Latin notoriously belongs to the general family of Indo-European languages, to which the German language legitimately belongs. It is a fact that scholars have ascertained the ancient Latin language (as far as words, articulations, syntax, and declensions are concerned) is more similar to German than to the other Latin Romance languages.

As far as "documentation" is concerned, Britannica, a 'safe' mainstream source, states unequivocally: "The Latins (or Latini) were sprung from those [size=3]Indo-European tribes[/size] that, during the 2nd millennium BC, came to settle in the Italian peninsula."

Regarding Apollo: Many myth experts, according to Britannica, see Apollo coming into the Mediterranean as a foreign god from the far north of Russia (i.e. from Aryans living near the north shores of the Black Sea). Of course, every half-educated dope will know Apollo's special relationship to the race of Hyperboreans. Hyperborean means "super-northerner". Ezekiel states that Gog was from the [color=black]"far north".[/color]

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Petr, when the international Jewish crypto-usurocracy decides to initiate the 'end times', they are not going to think twice about extirpating the majority of the Indo-European Christian West as 'idolaters', in spite of our delusory protestations about the "Judeo-Christian tradition" and meek naive conformity to the teachings of Israel's most liberal emissary.

You refuse to acknowledge Isaiah's luciferian declarations of the "divinely ordained" supremacy of the Jewish ethny and its ascendancy and natural overlordship over all other ethnies.

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]I will beckon to the nations and hoist a signal to the peoples and they shall bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders; kings shall be your foster-fathers and their princesses shall be your nurses. They shall bow to the earth before you and lick the dust from your feet ... I will contend with all who contend against you and save your children from them. I will force your oppressors to feed on their own flesh and make them drunk with their own blood as if with fresh wine, and all mankind shall know that it is I, the Lord, who save you ... [Isaiah 49:22-26] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Foreigners shall serve as shepherds of your flocks, and aliens shall till your land and tend your vines; but you shall be called priests of the Lord and be named ministers of our God; you shall enjoy the wealth of other nations and be furnished with their riches. [Isaiah 61:5-6][/size][/font]

You refuse to heed the evidence I have presented that world Jewry, basing itself on its bible, considers the Japhetic/Indo-European (Celtic, Slavic, and Germanic) peoples as predestined apocalyptic enemies as seen in the biblical figures of "Gog and Magog", etc. The meaning of "Gog and Magog" couldn't be any more certain. The Greeks called ancient Scythia Magogia. A large portion of present-day Western-Aryans derive their ancestry from these various Nordic tribes of Eurasian steppe-warriors. Judah, through its scripture, has preordained Indo-European civilization as its apocalyptic nemesis. You quibble about Togarmah being the ancestor of some Iranianized Turkic peoples. You fail to mention or understand that orthodox Jews also consider Togarmah as the ancestor of the ancient Cimmerians, a prominent racial source of modern-day Gauls, Irish and Germans.

The 'Old Testament' is not "dead" to modern-day Judaism, which has the greatest, ressentiment-driven capacity for historical memory, as Nietzsche said. Ezekiel's words are very relevant to the elite caste of Jews dominating modern-day affairs.

I am disappointed that you falsely attack the site I presented as "Christian-Identity", when, in fact, if you had even glanced at it, you would have realized it is by an orthodox Jew and specifically attacks British-Israelite and Christian-Identity theories. From the site:

[font=Palatino Linotype][size=4][color=#700039][font=Verdana][size=2]"Among the many myths and the most fanciful conjectures that have been elaborated about the alleged "Lost Tribes" of Israel, there is one that by its fallacious nature goes beyond everyone's wildest imaginings so that it cannot be even regarded as a myth or legend, but a very superstition. This theory is infecting the web in such a way that whoever intends through any search engine to find anything related with the term "Lost Tribes", will get a string of websites promoting this new deception, listed under different names and claiming theological authority: they are all based on a false philosophy usually known as "British-Israelism", "Anglo-Israelism", "Brit-Am", etc."[/size][/font][/color][/size][/font]

[url="http://www.imninalu.net/myths-brits.htm"]http://www.imninalu.net/myths-brits.htm[/url]

Petr, are you aware the most powerful elements of world Jewry conveniently do not consider Christianity (its own special creation and entranceway mechanism) as monotheistic, but rather as idolatrous; and thus world Jewry considers Western civilization as subject to the seven Noahide laws during the 'end times', and violation of these highly interpretable, imprecise laws by assumedly subhuman, cattle-sodomizing Gentiles necessitates Jehovah-ordained capital punishment enforced by Jewish tribunals (Sanhedrin Tract 57A, B). Unfortunately for us subhuman goyim, when the Kabbalist usurocracy decides to initiate the 'end times' and installs mini-Sanhedrins throughout the nations of the planet, the Jewish overclass shall not permit the luxury of due process to Christian 'idolaters': “The many formalities of procedure essential when the accused is an Israelite need not be observed in the case of the Noachid. The latter may be convicted on the testimony of one witness, even on that of relatives, but not on that of a woman. He need have had no warning (‘hatra’ah’) from the witnesses; and a single judge may pass sentence on him (ib. 57a, b; ‘Yad,’ l.c. ix. 14).”

[url="http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=113&letter=L"]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=113&letter=L[/url]

The Talmud is already the supreme law of the land here in America.

[url="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR"]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR[/url]:

Judeo-Masonry is gradually tightening its grip.

The unzombified who possess enough intelligence and courage to contest Judah's deluded pretense as Herrenvolk of the Universe (cf. Jesus: "[size=4][color=#aa0000]Salvation is of the Jews" [/color][/size][size=2][color=#000000]John 4:22)[/color][/size] and its entitlement to universal domination should be 'wise as serpents' in these dark times.

Petr

2005-08-20 22:46 | User Profile

Esoterist, in many ways people like you are mirror-images of Talmudic Jews - you are so obsessed with them that your thinking becomes sort of "Jewish."

Believe it or not, but an overt, clumsy attacks on Jews or Judaism is usually quite counter-productive, and give [I]deep inner satisfaction [/I] to Jews, validating their worldview and tightening their ranks. What they really fear and detest is not a frontal attack but [B]competition[/B].

The best rebuttal of Judaism that ever was was Christianity with its "replacement theology" - a term that Jews have tried to turn into a dirty word. It means that [B]the followers of Jesus Christ [/B] are literally the "New Israel," and [U]those OT prophecies about the triumph of Israel really mean the triumph of [B]Christianity[/B] over the world[/U].

Talmudic Jews, the direct heirs of Pharisees, go insane over this idea -that they have been [B]disinherited [/B] by God in favor of Gentiles, but that is just what Jesus said:

[COLOR=RoyalBlue][B][U]Matthew 21:43[/U] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. [/B] [/COLOR]

Here is an excellent piece on what the term "Israel" really means - a commentary of just that Isaiah chapter 49 that you mentioned!

[url]http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=isa&chapter=049[/url]

[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=4][B]MEANINGS OF THE WORD "ISRAEL" [/B] [/SIZE]

The proper interpretation of the Word of God must always take into account the Biblical pattern of using the same word for multiple meanings. See my discussion of this Biblical phenomenon in Vol. 1 of my Pentateuchal Series (Genesis), p. 15, where I have pin-pointed no less than five meanings of the word "seed." [B]Similarly, there are no less than eight legitimate meanings of the word Israel in the holy Bible[/B].

(1) This was the name (Israel) given by the angel to Jacob on the occasion when he wrestled with him till daylight (Genesis 32:28).

(2) This was the name that came to be applied to the posterity of Jacob through the twelve patriarchs.

(3) This was the name that Ephraim and the ten tribes who seceded from the House of David usurped and claimed for themselves only (Hosea 8:14).

(4) This was the name that applied to the kingdom of Judah, after the captivity and loss of the Ten Tribes with Ephraim in the fall of Samaria (722 B.C.).

(5) This was the "covenant name" of the righteous remnant as distinguished from the hypocritical, rebellious majority, who made up the principal mass of those deported into captivity in Babylon.

(6) [B]In the times of the personal ministry of Messiah, the name "Israel" was reserved for a tiny handful of the fleshly nation of the Jews who were called "Israelites Indeed" by Jesus Christ (John 1:47), categorically distinguishing between them and the "sons of the devil" who at the same time they plotted the death of Christ were calling themselves "Israelites," and "sons of Abraham."[/B] (See John 8:31-50). Nathaniel, Zacchaeus, Anna, Simeon, Zechariah, Elizabeth, Joseph, Mary, the holy apostles, and that little handful of 120 people who attended that meeting in Acts 1:15 made up the total number of Israelites indeed.

(7) [B]The name "Israel" in our own times, and reaching back to the ministry of Jesus Christ, rightfully belongs to the true followers of Jesus Christ, i.e., his church.[/B] Paul's letter to the Galatian churches refers to them in Gal. 6:16 as "The Israel of God." The apostles are reigning over the "twelve tribes of Israel," a name applied to the church of Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:28); and the 144,000 of Rev. 7 are none other than the kingdom or church of the Messiah.

(8) The name "Israel" in this very Isa. 49:3 refers exclusively to Jesus Christ the Messiah. This corresponds with the fact that Christ is the "head of the church which is his spiritual body," the whole body (all the church) itself being also "The Israel of God."

[B]The significance of this meaning of Israel in this passage is very great[/B]. Without this information, commentators are simply puzzled and checkmated as regards the discovery of what the passage means. An example of this is seen in the words of Kelley:

[I]"The elusiveness of the servant's identity is nowhere more apparent than here (Isaiah 49:3) ... He is unequivocally identified as Israel...One way out of the impasse would be to delete the word Israel, but the ancient versions will not support such a deletion ... There is no easy solution to the problem of the servant's identity."F2[/I]

[B]All such confusion and lack of understanding disappears instantly when it is understood that "Israel" in this passage is a God-given title of Messiah himself.[/B] After all that Isaiah had already revealed about the blindness and deafness of the fleshly nation (Israel), and of their judicial hardening, and of their being no longer the noble vine God had planted, but a "degenerate vine," it is a foolish mistake indeed to try to identify that blind, deaf, hardened, hypocrite of the fleshly nation with the "Servant" who would heal that very nation. [/COLOR] [/FONT]

Until quite lately, vast majority of Christians was not obsessed with Jews, let alone considered them to be still under the blessing but rather [B]the curse [/B] of God - dispensational heresies of Darby and Scofield changed that.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Judeo-Christianity is the Trojan Horse of Western civilization."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Christianity (without that judeo-part) [B]created[/B] the Western civilization as we know it.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Jesus' statement that "Salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22) sounds the death-knell of the Indo-European West."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

You just keep on harping on that one verse, blowing it out of all proportion and context. It doesn't mean anything other that Israel possessed the true religion while other nations of the earth did not (yet). See above on just what "Israel" means.

(I might also say that "Indo-European West" is pretty weak if it can "death-knelled" so easily. "Indo-European" and "Aryan" are also quite broad, merely linguistic categories - do you consider yourself somehow specially related to Gypsies, Kurds or Iranians?)

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "The forefathers of the "Latins" were a people whose ethnic and spiritual kinship with the family of Nordic-Aryan peoples is unquestionable. These forefathers were a splinter group from the patriarchal "battle-ax people", who practiced the ritual of cremation; this people, after traveling to central Italy, opposed the local Oscan-Sabellian civilization by the funeral ritual of burial. Latin notoriously belongs to the general family of Indo-European languages, to which the German language legitimately belongs. It is a fact that scholars have ascertained the ancient Latin language (as far as words, articulations, syntax, and declensions are concerned) is more similar to German than to the other Latin Romance languages."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

[I]Big deal[/I]. Romans still considered Gaulish and Germanic tribes to be dangerous barbarians, and did not allow them to immigrate to Italy, unlike, say, Syrians. They also systematically persecuted the Druidic religion as a subversive element.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Petr, when the international Jewish crypto-usurocracy decides to initiate the 'end times', they are not going to think twice about extirpating the majority of the Indo-European Christian West as 'idolaters', in spite of our delusory protestations about the "Judeo-Christian tradition" and meek naive conformity to the teachings of Israel's most liberal emissary."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

No " international Jewish crypto-usurocracy" has power to "extirpate the majority of the Indo-European Christian West". Only Westerners [B]themselves [/B] have power to do that.

Jews are secretly [B]tickled[/B] when ignorant stormtroopers like you hysterically exaggerate their power like this. It also makes you look silly in the eyes of moderates.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][I][B] - "The meaning of "Gog and Magog" couldn't be any more certain. The Greeks called ancient Scythia Magogia.A large portion of present-day Western-Aryans derive their ancestry from these various Nordic tribes of Eurasian steppe-warriors."[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR]

I can assure you that ancient Jews had [B]no [/B] idea where the ancestors of Aryans had come from. Scythia/Magogia was simply seen as a home of barbaric nomadic tribes, and around 600-500 BC, BOTH Greeks and Jews shared this attitude - Greeks, let alone Romans, felt no sense of kinship with Scythians whatsoever. Your approach is utterly anachronistic.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Judah, through its scripture, has preordained Indo-European civilization as its apocalyptic nemesis."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

No one, Indo-European speakers themselves included, even knew until the 19th century that some "Indo-European civilization" existed.

And neither did Jews consider themselves as "Semites". Old Testament contains more ferocious anathemas against other Semitic tribes (like Edomites, Moabites or Ammonites) than those directed against Gog or Magog.

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "I am disappointed that you falsely attack the site I presented as "Christian-Identity", when, in fact, if you had even glanced at it, you would have realized it is by an orthodox Jew and specifically attacks British-Israelite and Christian-Identity theories. "[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

CIs or orthodox Jewish, crap source anyways.

[COLOR=Red] [FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Petr, are you aware the most powerful elements of world Jewry conveniently do not consider Christianity (its own special creation and entranceway mechanism) as monotheistic, but rather as idolatrous"[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

I am well aware of this, and I also know how hypocritical this attitude is, for as Israel Shahak explains:

[COLOR=Blue][FONT=Trebuchet MS]"[B]What concerns us, however, is not biblical but classical Judaism; and it is quite clear, though much less widely realized, that the latter, during its last few hundred years, was for the most part far from pure monotheism[/B]. The same can be said about the real doctrines dominant in present-day Orthodox Judaism, which is a direct continuation of classical Judaism. The decay of monotheism came about through the spread of Jewish mysticism (the cabbala) which developed in the 12th and 13th centuries, and by the late 16th century had won an almost complete victory in virtually all the centers of Judaism. ... According [B]to the cabbala, the universe is ruled not by one god but by several deities, of various characters and influences, emanated by a dim, distant First Cause[/B]."[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url]http://www.abbc.net/islam/english/books/jewhis/jewhis3.htm[/url]

[COLOR=Blue][FONT=Trebuchet MS]"Secondly, for theological reasons, mostly rooted in ignorance, Christianity as a religion is classed by rabbinical teaching as idolatry. This is based on a crude interpretation of the Christian doctrines on the Trinity and Incarnation. [B]All the Christian emblems and pictorial representations are regarded as 'idols' - even by those Jews who literally worship scrolls, stones or personal belongings of 'Holy Men'[/B]."[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url]http://www.abbc.net/islam/english/books/jewhis/jewhis5.htm[/url]

I also do not think that Talmudic rabbis are "the most powerful elements of world Jewry," and Christianity most certainly was not their "special creation."

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Unfortunately for us subhuman goyim, when the Kabbalist usurocracy decides to initiate the 'end times' and installs mini-Sanhedrins throughout the nations of the planet, the Jewish overclass shall not permit the luxury of due process to Christian 'idolaters':"[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

Unrealistic nonsense.

[FONT=Arial][B][I][COLOR=Red] - "The Talmud is already the supreme law of the land here in America."[/COLOR][/I][/B][/FONT]

No it isn't. May we see some proof?

Petr

Ponce

2005-08-21 00:35 | User Profile

Without religion or Jews there would almost be peace on Earth, what a shame.

Petr

2005-08-21 00:37 | User Profile

What a bimbo comment, Ponce. Why are you staying on this forum anyways?

Petr

Ponce

2005-08-21 02:11 | User Profile

When religion is used as a weapon then is no longer religion and most of the fighting that I see here is about religion.

I am here the same as you in order to express my feeling about different things and you do know my feelings about the Jews (Zionists) if you have trouble with that then you are more than welcome to make your own comments about it as I am to answer you.

Next..........

Esoterist

2005-08-21 11:42 | User Profile

I'll develop a fuller response later, especially about the Gog and Magog issue. Right now a few comments.

I don't think it's necessary to be so haughty with Ponce. I think maybe what he meant was that when religion becomes downgraded and mob-ized and is used as a weapon by earthly-minded fools it is no longer religion. What's wrong with that statement? That is exactly the problem with Judaism (at least from our perspective)--it is a hysterical peasant religion which slavishly worships mere matter ("Behold, it was very good") in the form of flesh, blood, and gold, and cannot understand the idea of heaven except in a debased historical and earthly sense (Messianism).

Thank you for your characterization of my mentality as Talmudic. I must state firmly that I am not 'obsessed with Jews'. My 'interest' in Judaism is purely based on a desire for a well-informed perspective on the influences propelling present-day events. Do you deny that Judaism has had a great influence on the modern Western world? The situation is so abnormal that books are impudently written nowadays about "The Jewish Century".

I am not 'attacking' Judaism so much as explaining how Judaically-inspired worldviews have no legitimate place in the Indo-European cultural sphere.

Why compete with Jews when the West could instead remove this parasite from its system and toss it back in the Middle East where it spawned? The liberal, bureaucratic solution of 'peaceful co-existence' and mutual competition is idealistic in the worst sense and inspired by plebeian attitudes. Just as the human immune system doesn't 'tolerate' and 'compete with' viruses, so Aryan Western civilization must organically stay true to its own nature and forbid even the possibility of alien, disaggregative infections.

Westerners are primarily descended from Nordic hunter-warriors, while Jews derive from urban Afro-Asiatic pastoralists and petty traders. You don't understand the differences between the two niches and mentalities?

Petr, when Christians claim to be the "New Israel", don't you see the rules of the game are the same? The focus and reference is still to the historical universe of the Middle East, the self-deifying Hebrews, and their inane inter-shemitic feuds and messianic ego-drama. Can any intelligent or self-respecting person tolerate the imposition that this graceless, narcissist tribe of bedouins functions as the repository of universal wisdom? Christian "True Israelites" are enwrapped in the same-old Jewish semiotic psycho-control system. For Ario-Westerners to identify themselves as "True Israelites" is equivalent to trashing all the unique accomplishments and strivings of their own ancestors.

"You just keep on harping on that one verse, blowing it out of all proportion and context. It doesn't mean anything other that Israel possessed the true religion while other nations of the earth did not (yet). See above on just what "Israel" means."

If that is so, why didn't Jesus proclaim "Salvation is of the True Israelites"? Instead he specifically elevates Jews to an unwarranted status. Who is so uneducated and brainwashed to think the self-worshipping historical Israelites were the only possessors of Truth on the planet at that time? In case you didn't know, the "Salvation is of the Jews" verse is the only verse of the New Testament Freemasonry conveniently incorporates into its initiatory scheme. My opinion on Christianity would change only if this and similar passages from the New Testament demonstrating insane Judaic luciferianism were proven falsely inserted and manipulated.

"Jews are secretly tickled when ignorant stormtroopers like you hysterically exaggerate their power like this. It also makes you look silly in the eyes of moderates."

Who do you think is behind the present-day One-Worldist agenda? Anglo-American imperialism is not the really decisive and directive agent. I dare you to study the following research.

[url="http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/british-conspiracy.html"]http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/british-conspiracy.html[/url]

[url="http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/british-conspiracy.gif"]http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/british-conspiracy.gif[/url]

Presentation of the Jewish Problem

[url="http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id16.html"]http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id16.html[/url]

Disraeli the Jew and the Empire of the Shopkeepers

[url="http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id34.html"]http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id34.html[/url]

The Relationship Between Judaism and Freemasonry

[url="http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id60.html"]http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id60.html[/url]

You doubt that the Talmud is the supreme law of the land here in surrealistic America? I already gave you the government link:

[url="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR"]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR[/url]:

I'll copy and paste it for you.

Esoterist

2005-08-24 14:50 | User Profile

Apropos Gog and Magog, Israel's self-created apocalyptic opponent-

ONLINE TORAH TUTOR:

[url="http://www.bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp?action=displayid&id=241"]http://www.bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp?action=displayid&id=241[/url]

"Magog Most probably a [size=3]Teutonic[/size] people, living to the north of the Holy Land (cf. Ezekiel 38:2). [size=3]Some sources identify Magog with Germania[/size] (Targum Yonathan; Targum on 1 Chronicles 1:5; Pesikta Zutratha). [size=3]Others identify them with the Goths [/size](Yerushalmi, Megillah 1: 9). [size=3]These were a Teutonic people who migrated to Scythia, in what is now southern Russia.[/size]

It is therefore not contradictory when some sources identify Magog with Scythia (Josephus; Yoma 10a, according to Rabbenu Chananel; Arukh s.v. Germamia). Ancient histories state that the Scythians came from Asia, driven by the Massagetae (cf. Meshekh), and settling near the Cimerians (Herodotus 4:11; see note on [url="http://www.bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp?action=displayid&id=237"][color=#0000ff]Genesis 10:2[/color][/url], 'Gomer'). Linguistically, the Scythians were related to the Iranians, and hence, to the Persians and the Medes. It is therefore significant that there was a Persian tribe known as the [size=4]Germanians[/size] (Herodotus 1:125)...."

ASK THE RABBI:

[url="http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/250/Q1/"]http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/250/Q1/[/url]

"...According to the Prophet Zacharia, the nations who survive the final "War of Gog and Magog" will come to Jerusalem every year "to prostrate themselves to the King, Hashem...and to celebrate the Succot festival." (Zecharia 14:16)

The Prophet Ezekiel describes the Jewish People prior to the "War of Gog and Magog" as living in an almost-messianic state, having been recently gathered from amongst the nations and living in prosperity in their own land. Then, the world's nations - led by "Gog" from the land of "Magog" - will attack Israel in an attempt to put a final end to the Jewish People.

Magog is identified by the Talmud as "[size=3]Gothia[/size]," the land of the [size=3]Goths[/size]. The [size=3]Goths[/size] were a [size=4]Germanic[/size] people, in keeping with the midrashic rendering of Magog as "Germamia" or "[size=4]Germania[/size]." ".....

[size=3][So Petr, does modern Judaism consider the Old Testament curses against the Japhetic/Aryan peoples (especially ancestral Germanics) as Israel's inevitable archenemy as utterly irrelevant?][/size]