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Thread ID: 19705 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2005-08-17
2005-08-17 23:26 | User Profile
Mr. Roberts is not very optimistic, and he is not alone. The crazed chimp has lost it completely. Even more serious the American establishment is cowed by the Jewish lobby.
[QUOTE]August 15, 2005 [CENTER][B] [SIZE=4]Get Ready for World War III[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER]
by Paul Craig Roberts With every poll showing majorities of Americans both fed up with Bush's war against Iraq and convinced that Bush's invasion of Iraq has made Americans less safe, the White House moron proposes to start another war by attacking Iran. VP Cheney has already ordered the U.S. Strategic Command come up with plans to strike Iran with tactical nuclear weapons.
Bush refuses to meet with Cindy Sheehan, instead using his vacation time at the Crawford ranch to talk war with Israeli television. In a recent interview with Israeli TV, Bush said "All options are on the table" with regard to Iran.
Likudnik Israel is Bush's last remaining ally, or egger-on, in his war against "Islamic terrorism." Israel, which is loaded with nuclear weapons and is not a signatory to the nuclear pacts, is the accuser against Iran, asserting that Iran's nuclear energy program is just a veil behind which to produce weapons. Israel's Likud Party fears that Iranian weapons would be a check to its plans to complete the dispossession of the Palestinians and further expand Israel's borders.
Iran has signed the nonproliferation pact and is willing for the International Atomic Energy Agency to monitor the nuclear energy program.
[I][COLOR=Red]Bush, however, dismisses all facts and assurances and is willing to attack Iran based on nothing but Israel's paranoia.[/COLOR][/I]
Bush can ignore the American public, because the Democrats, like the Tory Party in the UK, have completely collapsed as an opposition party. The Republican Party is now increasingly referred to as the Republikud Party.
The only check on Bush is the lack of U.S. troops. Bogged down in the Iraqi quagmire, U.S. commanders are stating that a third rotation of our exhausted and demoralized troops in Iraq can be avoided only by troop withdrawals by next spring.
However, on Aug. 11, Bush nixed the military's talk of reducing U.S. troops in Iraq. The next day, the commander of U.S. logistics in Iraq announced that the number of insurgent attacks on US forces along supply routes has doubled in the last year, making it clear that far from winning, the U.S. is not even holding its own.
Cindy Sheehan has the right question for Bush: What noble cause is being served by all this suffering and destruction?
Bush is in hiding from Mrs. Sheehan, because he knows only ignoble causes are being served. According to the CIA, the main beneficiary of the war is Osama bin Laden's recruitment drives. While America's military recruitment falters and U.S. generals announce that the war has broken the Reserves and National Guard, the cause of Islamic extremism basks in the Iraqi war.
[COLOR=Red][I]Gentle reader, do you realize the danger of having a president so disconnected from reality that he plots to attack Iran ââ¬â a country three times the size of Iraq ââ¬â when he lacks sufficient forces to occupy Baghdad and to protect the road from Baghdad to the airport?[/I][/COLOR]
Despite all the high profile "sweeps" of U.S. forces through insurgent strongholds, U.S. commanders report a doubling of insurgent attacks.
[COLOR=Red][I]The Bush administration is insane.[/I][/COLOR] If the American people do not decapitate it by demanding Bush's impeachment, the Bush administration will bring about Armageddon. This may please some Christian evangelicals conned by Rapture predictions, but World War III will please no one else.
Find this article at: [url]http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=6936[/url] [/QUOTE]Mr. Roberts is far, far from a fool. We should be very worried.
2005-08-17 23:50 | User Profile
Not very convincing.
[QUOTE]VP Cheney has already ordered the U.S. Strategic Command come up with plans to strike Iran with tactical nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] Even if true, classic saber rattling crapola. No deployment of tactical or any other type of nuke will ever be considered unless used on the US mainland or US troops first.
[QUOTE]Israel's Likud Party fears that Iranian weapons would be a check to its plans to complete the dispossession of the Palestinians and further expand Israel's borders.[/QUOTE] Isreal must really be sucker punching the Likud party with the withdrawal from Gaza.
[QUOTE]Bush can ignore the American public, because the Democrats, like the Tory Party in the UK, have completely collapsed as an opposition party. The Republican Party is now increasingly referred to as the Republikud Party.[/QUOTE] While the radical socialist wing of the democratic party are in firm control, the party is hardly in collapse, and likely will make gains in the Senate and House in the next election.
[QUOTE]The only check on Bush is the lack of U.S. troops. Bogged down in the Iraqi quagmire, U.S. commanders are stating that a third rotation of our exhausted and demoralized troops in Iraq can be avoided only by troop withdrawals by next spring.[/QUOTE] DOD just announced today the deployment of an additional 23,000 troops to support existing deployments due to the increased violence brought about by the "struggle to draft a constitution".
Some valid points, but the sheer paranoia and hate really bleeds through. Irrational arguments are worse than none at all.
2005-08-18 00:20 | User Profile
Let's face it, is only a matter of when.
Like a wooden house being eaten from the inside the same thing is happening to the US thanks to those who have stolen the govenment.
If I, the least educated person on this board, can see what is happening then it is impossible for me to believe that those in the government don't know what is going on.
I don't blame the illegas for coming into the US but do blame the government and I don't blame the the rotten government that we have but do blame the people.........at the end it comes down to "We the people", and Ponce. :thumbsup:
2005-08-18 03:47 | User Profile
Yeah, Roberts is no "outsider" black helicopter, tin-foil hat guy. This fellow was a sub-cabinet level official in the Reagan Administration. If he thinks the system is going to Hell in a handbasket, he must have some very objective reasons for thinking so.
2005-08-18 04:08 | User Profile
next thing ya know, ol georgie will be clamoring to sign up more beaners in the military whether they speaky engleas or not.
2005-08-18 16:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jeffersonian]Not very convincing...
[COLOR=Red][B]Some valid points, but the sheer paranoia and hate really bleeds through. Irrational arguments are worse than none at all[/COLOR]. [/B] [/QUOTE]The below column from the Washington Post quotes Vice President Dick Cheney: [QUOTE]Cheney Warns of Iran As a Nuclear Threat Vice President: 'We Don't Want a War'
By Jim VandeHei Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 21, 2005; Page A02
Vice President Cheney said yesterday that Iran is a top threat to world peace and Middle East stability, accusing Tehran of sponsoring terrorism against Americans and building a "fairly robust new nuclear program."
In an interview aired on MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning" show a few hours before President Bush's inaugural address, Cheney warned that Israel [B]"might well decide to act first" militarily to eliminate Iran's nuclear capabilities if the United States and its allies fail to solve the standoff with Tehran diplomatically.[/B] Vice President Cheney says he fears a "diplomatic mess" in the Middle East if Iran does not agree to comply with the nuclear nonproliferation treaty.
[B]"Given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards,[/B]" Cheney said. In 1981, Israel sent warplanes to destroy Iraq's nuclear reactor.
"We don't want a war in the Middle East, if we can avoid it," he said.
Iran says its nuclear facilities were built to support a peaceful energy program; the Bush administration disagrees.
In the interview with Don Imus, the vice president made a rare admission, saying he had miscalculated how quickly Iraqis would be able to recover from Saddam Hussein's government and begin running their country.
"I think the hundreds of thousands of people who were slaughtered at the time, including anybody who had the gumption to stand up and challenge him, made the situation tougher than I would have thought," he said. "I would chalk that one up as a miscalculation, where I thought things would have recovered more quickly."
The White House has been widely criticized for its postwar planning in Iraq, especially its failure to prepare for the insurgency that is threatening stability and the upcoming elections for a 275-member national assembly.
Bush condemned Iran as part of an "axis of evil" shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, heightening tensions and raising the possibility of U.S. military action to prevent Tehran from becoming a nuclear power in the volatile Middle East.
In his inaugural address, Bush did not mention Iran, but he vowed to fight for those seeking freedom from the "rulers of outlaw regimes." [B]Some foreign policy experts predict Bush might use military force to destroy Iran's nuclear program during his second term, but the president and Cheney have promised to pursue diplomacy first[/B].
"Certainly in the case of the Iranian situation, I think everybody would be best suited by or best treated and dealt with if we could deal with it diplomatically," Cheney said. The current Bush policy calls for European nations to take the lead in negotiating for a full and verifiable halt to Iran's nuclear program. Bush has said on several occasions that all options are on the table if Iran does not comply.
If current negotiations fail, Cheney said, the United States would ask the U.N. Security Council to impose international sanctions on Iran to force compliance with the nonproliferation treaty. "[B]You look around the world at potential trouble spots; Iran is right at the top of the list,"[/B] he said. The administration has offered no concrete evidence to support its assertion regarding Iran.
[B]The Pentagon has denied a report in the Jan. 24 issue of New Yorker magazine that the United States is conducting secret reconnaissance missions in Iran to identify potential nuclear targets[/B].[/QUOTE]Having an article I posted berated as irrational was only somewhat insulting. Paranoia and other mental afflictions are justified in this case.
2005-08-18 16:25 | User Profile
In 44 brief years I've learned never to say never regarding bad news and unthinkable stupidity.
But I wish to correct Mr Roberts. As my pal Norman Podhoretz has already dubbed our most recent crusade World War 4, that would be Dubya-Dubya-Five looming on our horizon.
2005-08-18 16:37 | User Profile
Many good folks in the WN community had expressed that WWIII began with the invasion of Iraq, most notably Edgar Steele. With PCR joining in with the dire predictions of nuclear attacks on Iran, I think it's safe to say that with America's insane invasion of Iraq and saber-rattling at everyone else, we do stand on the brink of something HUGE going down in the near future.
At least us OD'ers will know what's happening when we see that brief flash of burning white-hot light before everyone else even knows why it's so suddenly so darn hot outside in December.
2005-08-18 17:05 | User Profile
The Bush administration is insane. Blinded by arrogance and a false ideology more likely, but the results are the same.
Ask yourselves, if a sane administration had wanted to replace Saddam Hussein with a compliant puppet who would sell us lots of cheap oil, would they have gone about it this way?
2005-08-18 17:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]Blinded by arrogance and a false ideology more likely, but the results are the same.
Ask yourselves, if a sane administration had wanted to replace Saddam Hussein with a compliant puppet who would sell us lots of cheap oil, would they have gone about it this way?[/QUOTE]
No sane adminstration [I]would even want[/I] to remove Saddam Hussein from power. There was a man, Saddam, who was willing to do business with people who had the big bucks to spend on oil while at the same time kicked Islamic-fundamentalists in the ass anytime they got out of line. Actually, they never got out of line in Saddam's Iraq. Were there ever suicidal madmen in Saddam's Iraq?
The problem is the Jewish takeover of American's thought process which goes like this: There's only ONE side to a story, and we are RIGHT and you are WRONG and there's no DEALS to be made. Certainly insane.
2005-08-18 17:45 | User Profile
Cheney Warns of Iran As a Nuclear Threat Vice President: 'We Don't Want a War [color=blue]Until After the Mid Term Elections'[/color]
By Jim VandeHei Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 21, 2005; Page A02
Vice President Cheney said yesterday that Iran is a top threat to [color=blue]Israel[/color] and [color=blue]Pax Judaica[/color], accusing Tehran of sponsoring terrorism against Americans[color=blue], including a spike in falafel prices, an unwillingness to give hi-test gas to America for free[/color] and building a "fairly robust new nuclear program" [color=blue]adding further, "I mean, we know they've ordered at least several copies of the nuclear fission documentary Back to the Future and have access to unlimited amounts of D-cell batteries. What more evidence do you need before we act on this clear and present danger?" The Vice President also noted that actor and nuclear physicist Christopher Lloyd had been placed in protective custody as a "person of interest" in the ongoing investigation.[/color]
In an interview aired on MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning" show a few hours before President Bush's inaugural address, Cheney warned that Israel "might well decide to act first" militarily [color=blue]should even a butt-puppet like the President have second thoughts about opening that can of worms[/color] to eliminate Iran's nuclear capabilities if the United States and its allies fail to solve the standoff with Tehran diplomatically [color=blue]and then hide behind the United States' apron strings while Americans catch the blowback[/color].
Vice President Cheney says he fears a "diplomatic mess" in the Middle East if Iran does not agree to comply with the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. [color=blue]"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. 10 or 20 million killed, tops!" added Cheney. "The American people can rest assured, though, that the Bush twins will be far out of harm's way."[/color]
"Given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, [color=blue]and we know this because the Israelis said so,[/color] the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards[color=blue], while complaining that the world wasn't doing enough to combat anti-Semitism[/color]," Cheney said. In 1981, Israel sent warplanes to destroy Iraq's nuclear reactor[color=blue], thereby insuring that only pro-Jewish fanatics have their fingers on the nuclear button, instead of Persian ones.[/color]
"We don't want a war in the Middle East, if we can avoid it," he said [color=blue]with an exaggerated wink and holding both hands up in front of him, fingers crossed.[/color]
Iran says its nuclear facilities were built to support a peaceful energy program; the Bush administration disagrees[color=blue], citing cryptic intelligence found in a box of Cracker Jacks that indicates Iran is only minutes away from raining a million megatons' worth of nuclear destruction on that hated symbol of Western freedom and democracy, the "Mall of America" in Minnesota.[/color]
In the interview with Don Imus, the vice president made a rare admission, saying he had miscalculated how quickly Iraqis would be able to recover from Saddam Hussein's government and begin running their country.
"I think the hundreds of thousands of people who were slaughtered at the time, including anybody who had the gumption to stand up and challenge him, made the situation tougher than I would have thought," he said. "I would chalk that one up as a miscalculation, where I thought things would have recovered more quickly. [color=blue]It just seemed so damned easy when Perle and Wolfowitz doodled all this out on a cocktail napkin."[/color]
The White House has been widely[color=blue], but incredibly lightly,[/color] criticized for its postwar planning in Iraq, especially its failure to prepare for the insurgency that is threatening stability and the upcoming elections for a 275-member national assembly.
Bush condemned Iran as part of an "axis of evil" [color=blue]having found that "axle" and "axis" aren't synonyms,[/color] shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, heightening tensions and raising the possibility of U.S. military action to prevent Tehran from becoming a nuclear power in the volatile Middle East.
In his inaugural address, Bush did not mention Iran, but he vowed to fight for those seeking [color=blue]porn, an MTV-style culture, unlimited access to junk food, and[/color] freedom from the "rulers of outlaw regimes." Some foreign policy experts [color=blue]like the AEI, AIPAC and PNAC are ceaselessly pushing[/color] Bush [color=blue]to[/color] use military force to destroy Iran's nuclear program during his second term, but the president and Cheney have promised to pursue diplomacy first. [color=blue]"Just as soon as we get a handle on that scary border situation, we'll be right on it. Scout's Honor!" said Cheney.[/color]
"Certainly in the case of the Iranian situation, I think everybody would be best suited by or best treated and dealt with if we could deal with it diplomatically," Cheney said[color=blue], though he indicated a complete willingness to keep feeding other people's children into a sausage grinder for as long as it takes. "I tell you," the Vice President continued, "this whole 100-year "War on Terror" is the best thing to happen to my stock portfolio since, well, ever!"[/color] The current Bush policy calls for European nations to take the lead in negotiating for a full and verifiable halt to Iran's nuclear program. Bush has said on several occasions that all options are on the table if Iran does not comply [color=blue]with the eminently reasonable demands of surrendering all national sovereignty, natural resources, agreeing to become an Israeli colony and sacrificing all their first-born children by kosher slaughter. "We think it's unfair and anti-Semitic that Passover only comes once a year," Bush was quoted as saying.[/color]
If current [color=blue]sham[/color] negotiations fail, Cheney said, the United States would ask the U.N. Security Council to impose international sanctions on Iran to force compliance with the nonproliferation treaty. "You look around the world at potential trouble spots; Iran is right at the top of the list," he said. [color=blue]"Those hostile, nuclear-armed nations like North Korea and China are really quite swell, once you get to know 'em," he added.[/color] The administration has offered no concrete evidence to support its assertion regarding Iran[color=blue], blaming the lack of documentation on a balky Xerox machine in the West Wing. "As soon as we get another box of toner and can keep the President from making copies of his ass cheeks, you'll have all the evidence you need," said the Vice President. "You don't happen to have Judith Miller's new number handy, do you?"[/color]
The Pentagon has denied a report in the Jan. 24 issue of New Yorker magazine that the United States is conducting secret reconnaissance missions in Iran to identify potential nuclear targets. [color=blue]"Those are merely Amway salesmen trying to open up foreign markets to American goods. You're not an anti-capitalist commie are you?" the Pentagon's Office of Strategic Disinformation said in an issued press release.[/color]
2005-08-18 17:59 | User Profile
Calling Alex Linder....calling Alex Linder....another "Between the Lines" on the way....
2005-08-18 18:12 | User Profile
So funny, MST. :lol: And so true. :crybaby:
2005-08-18 18:59 | User Profile
No sane adminstration would even want to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Granted, but consider Afghanistan. Pragmatists (Big Oil?) seem to have been in charge of that one. They relied on local stooges as much as possible, and didn't try to remake the society. The ordinary Afghan still has a life that is nasty, brutish and short, but at least he could resume poppy-growing and boy-buggery without interference from the Taliban.
That policy is a model of sanity compared to Iraq, where tikkun olim was the order of the day. I read an early draft of the Iraqi constitution, which read like it was written by a professor of Wymyn's studies at Berkeley. The right to bear arms was explicitly denied, but the "right to privacy" was guaranteed.
Abortion clinics on every street corner in Baghdad -- there's a cause worth fighting and dying for!
2005-08-21 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]The right to bear arms was explicitly denied, but the "right to privacy" was guaranteed.
Abortion clinics on every street corner in Baghdad -- there's a cause worth fighting and dying for![/QUOTE] How in the hell can America support anyone's new constitution that denies the right to bear arms, and be held as a credible supporter of that freedom of that nation's people?
Dead in the water, and Achmed on the street can see right through that eyewash. For Pete's sake, people in Iraq are not morons.
AE
2005-08-22 08:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]How in the hell can America support anyone's new constitution that denies the right to bear arms, and be held as a credible supporter of that freedom of that nation's people?
[/QUOTE] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]I have wondered that for quite awhile myself and can only conclude that the American people are the most deluded on the face of the planet.
[color=Blue] Oh and BTW I [u]DO[/u]* blame illegals for coming here and not just fed.gov for enabling their 10K+ daily invasion.
In my many trips to Mexico and during the five years I lived there, I [u]never[/u] broke their laws or stole their property, even though compliant, corrupt government officials and LE types would have been more than happy to "look the other way" while I did so for a modest fee.
Illegal aliens are [color=Red]NOT[/color] "good people" they are shit sandwich, and they'll steal your kid's lunch after they've cut her throat to get it if they think they can get away with it.[/color] [/size][/font]
2005-08-22 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]next thing ya know, ol georgie will be clamoring to sign up more beaners in the military whether they speaky engleas or not.[/QUOTE]
If I read correctly the other day they already are. Non-citizens are offered citizenship for service and the proposal has been made to waive the English requirement.
Inevitable really, because eventually the Empire will need troops that can shoot the natives when ordered to without dissent in the ranks. That would be a lot harder with Southern White boys than a bunch of aliens with no real ties to the people here.
2005-08-22 19:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE]next thing ya know, ol georgie will be clamoring to sign up more beaners in the military whether they speaky engleas or not.[/QUOTE]
See GANGS OF NEW YORK.
"Welcome to America!....now go fight for your country."
2005-08-22 19:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jozen1]If I read correctly the other day they already are. Non-citizens are offered citizenship for service and the proposal has been made to waive the English requirement.
Inevitable really, because eventually the Empire will need troops that can shoot the natives when ordered to without dissent in the ranks. That would be a lot harder with Southern White boys than a bunch of aliens with no real ties to the people here.[/QUOTE]
Like the Roman Empire enlisted barbarians to become Roman soldiers, so does the United States Empire do with mestizos. And the US will go the way of the Roman Empire too. Decline into non-existance.
As the United States did with the Irish in 1862, as Il Ragno points out, and as the US did with conscripting waves of European immigrants in the 20th Century to go and fight their brethren in 2 world wars, the United States does so again in the 21st Century with the "new Americans".
BTW, I see that PONCE has been suspended??
2005-08-22 20:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE]BTW, I see that PONCE has been suspended??[/QUOTE]
I don't like it either.
2005-08-23 04:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Let's face it, is only a matter of when.
Like a wooden house being eaten from the inside the same thing is happening to the US thanks to those who have stolen the govenment.
If I, the least educated person on this board, can see what is happening then it is impossible for me to believe that those in the government don't know what is going on.
I don't blame the illegas for coming into the US but do blame the government and I don't blame the the rotten government that we have but do blame the people.........at the end it comes down to "We the people", and Ponce. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE] You have the gift of prophesy. No truer words have ever been spoken.