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Thread ID: 19703 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2005-08-17
2005-08-17 22:16 | User Profile
I'm wondering how many of you know a Protestant minister, or two, who is now asking the question, what has Joel Osteen got that I don't got? :wallbash:Besides a huge church, 16,000 people attending Sunday morning service, national TV coverage, book deals, and who knows what else.
Its got to be frustrating, for your typical White male, college graduate, Protestant minister. Consider the minister, who pulls together a nice traditional service, gives a nice classical Protestant sermon with new twists and turns in 'em, his 80 to 100 Sunday morning attendees are happy---but he ain't.
I feel sorry for all these decent, traditional and unknown Protestant ministers.
Maybe some of you would like to comment on the Joel Osteen style---and---his effect on your clergymen friends.
2005-08-18 00:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch].....I feel sorry for all these decent, traditional and unknown Protestant ministers.
Maybe some of you would like to comment on the Joel Osteen style---and---his effect on your clergymen friends.[/QUOTE]I've vaguely heard of him, but I haven't got a link. Maybe you could give me one.
What I do know is preachers are always of course critiquing each other, and why some are more successful and others aren't. Its a little bit like musicians. Garth Brooks says there are others out there who sing and play better than him, why is he where he is?
I'd say its simple - advertising. And other things in that genre.
2005-08-18 01:55 | User Profile
Joel Olsteen laughs at himself his entire sermon. He really thinks he's a comedian. Damn I'd love to just knock his teeth out. He entertains himself and probably gets mad if anyone near him won't laugh at his every word.
And did anyone read that other pastor's book, "Purpose Driven Life"? What garbage. So boring. IT was like, "If you are an illegitimate kid, it is not your fault. God loves you."
What are we, 6 year olds?
2005-08-18 01:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I've vaguely heard of him, but I haven't got a link. Maybe you could give me one.
What I do know is preachers are always of course critiquing each other, and why some are more successful and others aren't. Its a little bit like musicians. Garth Brooks says there are others out there who sing and play better than him, why is he where he is?
I'd say its simple - advertising. And other things in that genre.[/QUOTE] Osteen is big---big,big,big. Down in Texas.
His "show" is on both various cable channels and major market broadcast network TV.
To me he's just another feel good TV preacher...but, the guy really draws 'em in as you will read if you explore his website. [url]http://www.joelosteen.com/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage[/url]
2005-08-18 02:01 | User Profile
I get him in Kansas City.
I know they bought the Compaq Center in Houston, where the ROckets used to play. He needed 16K in there to watch his lame-ass, Tony Robbins impersonating comedy show.
2005-08-18 02:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]I get him in Kansas City.
I know they bought the Compaq Center in Houston, where the ROckets used to play. He needed 16K in there to watch his lame-ass, Tony Robbins impersonating comedy show.[/QUOTE] I can't take more than a few minutes of any of these TV preachers.
Your right...he does do a Tony Robbins impersonation...I can only take a few minutes of Tony Robbins too.
You know Falwell, can be good when he wants to be...I know he is a Baptist minister of some sort...but, I understand he is recognized by the Blue Rigde Presbytery...???
2005-08-18 03:35 | User Profile
Osteen is a benighted jackass. An alleged Christian preacher who hardly ever mentions Jesus in any of his sermons. It all a lot of crap about self-esteem and cute stories and "rules for a happy life." No real law, no Gospel, no Jesus. He is lusted after coast-to-coast by stupid blue-haired old ladies who think they are Christians. God save us from such dopes and mopes. Oh and of course he has had no seminary education. He has all he needs to lune millions to Hell.
2005-08-18 13:09 | User Profile
Joel Osteen is pure evidence that the "abomination of desolation" has taken it's seat in God's church. The man is a charlatan spawned directly from the pit of Hell.
And he's a big, big hit in America because of his "feel good", Jesus-less false gospel.
Keep praying to Jesus Christ for mercy in these last days.
2005-08-18 17:10 | User Profile
Somebody had to fill Billy Graham's shoes. :alucard: Next thing you know he'll be the white house's minister of choice.
2005-08-18 20:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]Osteen is a benighted jackass. An alleged Christian preacher who hardly ever mentions Jesus in any of his sermons. [/QUOTE]
Isn't Osteen a Jew? It seems like I heard that somewhere.
2005-08-18 23:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]Isn't Osteen a Jew? It seems like I heard that somewhere.[/QUOTE] Probably Italian...as in Austini or Ostini...there are a number of pronounced Austin names, who spell it Osteen or Ostini or something like that. A distant cousin of mine was married to one, an olde California family.
The Joel is kind a jewie...:yes:
2005-08-18 23:52 | User Profile
A Pentecostal preacher from Texas, with a Southern Baptist preacher father? Osteen is not Italian, I assure you.
2005-08-19 00:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Malachias111]A Pentecostal preacher from Texas, with a Southern Baptist preacher father? Osteen is not Italian, I assure you.[/QUOTE] Albert Gallatin, Thomas Jefferson's Secretary of the Treasury, had been known as Gallatini back in the olde country...betcha didn't know that...:wacko:
2005-08-19 00:17 | User Profile
[color=#000066]The Osteen family name originated in South Holland.[/color] [color=#000066][/color] [color=#000066]Description of the Osteen family coat 0f arms:[/color] [color=#000066][/color]
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Shield:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*Gold with a red rose. Below the rose there is a red eight point star. *[/color]**[/font] |
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Crest:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*None *[/color]**[/font] |
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Motto:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*None. *[/color]**[/font] |
2005-08-19 00:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=6KILLER][color=#000066]The Osteen family name originated in South Holland.[/color]
[color=#000066]Description of the Osteen family coat 0f arms:[/color]
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Shield:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*Gold with a red rose. Below the rose there is a red eight point star. *[/color][/font]** |
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Crest:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*None *[/color][/font]** |
| **[color=#387c44][size=+2]OSTEEN Motto:[/size][/color]** | **[font=Nimrod][color=#990000]*None. *[/color][/font]** |
[/QUOTE] Where did this come from? A genealogy website.
My mother-in-law claims she is related to former British PM Ramsey MacDonald; the only problem is Ramsey was a bastard... :tnguess:
2005-08-19 02:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Where did this come from? A genealogy website.[/QUOTE] Yep!
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]My mother-in-law claims she is related to former British PM Ramsey MacDonald; the only problem is Ramsey was a bastard... :tnguess:[/QUOTE] It's possible, as it is estimated that all people of British origin are at least 16th cousins. This is estimated from the population growth from the time of 'William the Plunderer' till today. Almost all people with a Fitz in front of their surname descended from bastards.
I think le Bastard was even a surname: [font=Arial][color=#ff0000]Robert le Bastard, [/color][color=#000000]another recipient of Duke William's favours who is claimed to be an illegitmate son of the Duke, the other one being William Peverel who received holdings in Shropshire. It is claimed that Robert commanded a ship of the Hastings invasion but was blown off course, down the channel, landed at Salcomb, and received a barony in Devonshire. From the size of the barony granted by Duke William there had to be more than just a passing relationship based on whimsy because Robert the Bastard was not even at Hastings. His descendents would later become Sheriffs of Devonshire. Robert's chief domain was at Efford. The name is somtimes spelt Baistard and Bestard, but the main stem of the family retained the spelling Bastard with some pride.[/color][/font]
2005-08-19 02:14 | User Profile
Ramsey MacDonald's father was the one in question...:afro:
2005-08-19 02:26 | User Profile
I think Joel Osteen is just goofy looking as hell.
2005-08-19 02:51 | User Profile
I think your avatar is goofy looking as hell, Thulean. Joel, on the other hand, [img]http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/190_con_joel1.gif[/img] just looks happy all the time --- which can be annoying.
In late 2003, after a long process that involved multiple lawsuits, Joel Osteen and Lakewood Church acquired the Compaq Center (former home of the NBA's Houston Rockets). The Center underwent over 70 million dollars of renovation to become the Lakewood International Center, which has 16,000 seats for Lakewood's services and houses the media department of Joel Osteen Ministries.<<
In addition to the growth of Pastor Joel's congregation, Joel Osteen's television audience has grown. He now reaches a potential viewing audience of hundreds of millions in America alone and hundreds of millions more overseas. To accommodate Joel's ever increasing popularity and influence, in July 2004 Joel Osteen Ministries began holding "An Evening With Joel Osteen." This event has traveled to cities like Atlanta, Anaheim, New York, and Dallas, attracting tens of thousands of people. In addition, Lakewood and Joel Osteen have been written up in numerous magazines and newspapers.<< [img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1586216546.01.SCLZZZZZZZ.jpg[/img]