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Thread ID: 19645 | Posts: 63 | Started: 2005-08-14
2005-08-14 22:44 | User Profile
[B]Tel Aviv seals borders to civilians; move alters prospects for Mideast peace [/B]
KISSUFIM CROSSING, Israel - Israel set its Gaza pullout into motion on Monday, blocking access to Jewish settlements in the occupied territory and giving settlers a 48-hour deadline to leave or be removed.
It marks the first time Israel has given up settled land claimed by the Palestinians for their future state.
Eviction notices to the 9,000 settlers in all 21 settlements in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank went into effect at midnight (5 p.m. ET), setting the stage for what could be one of the most traumatic events in the Jewish stateââ¬â¢s history.
ââ¬ÅWe definitely wonââ¬â¢t make it easy for those coming to expel us,ââ¬Â Gaza settler council chairman Avner Shimoni said. ââ¬ÅIf you ask me, 50 to 60 percent of us will remain and the rest will leave [before Wednesday].ââ¬Â
Under the slogan ââ¬ÅJews donââ¬â¢t expel Jewsââ¬Â, settler leaders have been waging an emotional public campaign against Prime Minister Ariel Sharonââ¬â¢s plan to ââ¬Ådisengageââ¬Â from occupied areas he said have little security value for Israel.
Palestinians, seeking a state in the West Bank and Gaza, welcome Israeli withdrawal from land captured in the 1967 Middle East war. But they fear Sharon devised the Gaza plan as a ruse to cement Israelââ¬â¢s hold on most of the West Bank, where 230,000 settlers and 2.4 million Palestinians live. [IMG]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050814/050814_gaza_hmed_3p.h2.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=2]Israeli soldiers post a sign at the Kisufim checkpoint, closing the entrance to the Gaza Strip early Monday.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[B]ââ¬ËEntry ... forbidden by law!ââ¬â¢[/B] ââ¬ÅWe feel security with the near end of the occupation and the evacuation of settlers,ââ¬Â said Tawfiq al-Emawi, 31, a Palestinian from Gazaââ¬â¢s Deir al-Balah refugee camp. ââ¬ÅAnd also we have high hopes for a better economy after the withdrawal.ââ¬Â
After midnight, troops closed Kissufim border crossing, the only active entrance to Gaza since Israel imposed a partial army closure on the territory weeks ago, to stop ultranationalists from slipping in to help settlers resist evacuation.
ââ¬ÅStop. Entry into the Gaza Strip and presence there is forbidden by law!ââ¬Â read a sign the military put on a gate at Kissufim.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8931552/[/url]
2005-08-15 12:39 | User Profile
This 'historic' pull out from Gaza appears to provide convenient political cover for expansion elsewhere.
[u][size=3]Will Occupied Jerusalem derail the peace process?[/size][/u] | By As'ad Abdul Rahman, Special to Gulf News | 13/08/2005 | Print this page
As the date of the Israeli pullout from Gaza approaches, the future of the Arab-Israeli peace process will be determined not in Gaza but in Occupied Jerusalem. Gaza has never been coveted by any Israeli government and withdrawal from there has always been a matter of time. The crux of the problem and the seemingly insurmountable hurdle remains Occupied Jerus-alem.
Recently, Israel initiated steps aimed at solidifying its hold over a wide area in and around the city, making it far broader.
By stretching municipal boundaries, annexing Palestinian land and building new Jewish colonies in addition to beefing up existing ones Israel gradually created a municipal area several times its earlier size.
The colonies built outside the municipal boundaries gradually encircled the city and, what is worse, threatened to break the contiguity between the eastern part of Occupied Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, a pre-requisite for any viable Palestinian state.
**Of much relevance here is the large by-pass road linking Ma'ale Adumim one of the largest Jewish colony "in" Occupied Jerusalem.
This road would go close to cutting the West Bank in two, thus undermining the prospects of any acceptable settlement to the conflict.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has made good on his promise that withdrawal from Gaza will be more than offset by territorial gains in the West Bank and especially in Occupied Jerusalem, the jewel in the crown.**
Although colony expansion has been pursued by both the Labor and Likud parties since 1967, Sharon appears to be implementing a more focused and systematic plan that will eventually choke off the eastern Arab part of Occupied Jerusalem by further fragmenting it and surrounding it with Jewish neighbourhoods and colonies.
The new amended route of the Separation Wall, once completed, will create a broad area that will encompass all of the city as expanded and annexed in the aftermath of the 1967 war in addition to all colonies to its North, East and South.
This new extended area will include large colony blocks and buffer zones absorbing almost 4 per cent of the total area of the West Bank.
The route of the Wall in the Occupied Jerusalem area is 130 km long. Only 4 km of this is on the 1967 annexation line expanding the municipal boundaries, and 12 km are very close to it.
One hundred and two kilometres of the route reaches up to 10 km into the West Bank from the 1967 annexation line. The route forms a new de facto Israeli border that would annex 99,680 dunams (39 square miles) of land and house approximately 55,000 colonists.
Old plan
Twelve kilometres of the route would cut off roughly an additional 2 square miles of land from Occupied Jerusalem, inhabited by 45,000 Palestinians who are currently residents of the eastern part of the occupied city.
Sharon also hopes to realise an old plan to build new colonies in the area between Occupied Jerusalem and Ma'ale Adumim to the East, thereby creating continuity of Jewish colonies deep into the West Bank in an area that is 15 times bigger than the current built-up area of the Ma'ale Adunim colony.
Eventually, Sharon is determined to preserve Israeli control over Occupied Jerusalem and the surrounding area from Ramallah in the North to Bethlehem in the South, including (in addition to Ma'ale Adunim) the colonies of Neve Ya'acove, Pisgat Zeev and Ramat Eshkol.
These measures blatantly contravene Israeli "roadmap" commitments, weaken peace-minded and pragmatic Palestinians, and sow the seeds of growing Islamic and nationalist radicalisation.
This is a perfect recipe for more violence and bloodshed. For radical Palestinian groups, the fate of Occupied Jerusalem offers a perfect excuse to undermine the fragile cease fire.
Equally important, Israeli plans are further damaging the domestic credibility of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, which hinges on genuine progress in the peace process.
Although Israel's disengagement from Gaza is hailed as an "historic" step, opportunities for genuine peace are dim. The period that will follow the pull-out from Gaza will be characterised by political inactivity on both sides.
For Israel, there will be much time needed to mend the internal rift (especially after the recent resignation of Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu) caused by the disengagement.
Shortly, the Likud party will have its primary and then Israel will have its parliamentary elections, slated for mid-2006. In these hectic months, Sharon is not likely to contemplate further withdrawals, if he ever has the intention to.
As for the Palestinians, developments on the ground are foreboding. The major Palestinian movement Fatah is in relative disarray, power struggle with Hamas and other radical movements is more evident now than it was ever before.
And with new legislative elections scheduled for January 20, 2006, Abbas is unlikely to be in a position to launch a major diplomatic offensive in the coming months.
Bearing this in mind, electioneering and subsequent political maneuvering will drag on till mid-2006 if the fragile cease fire will hold till then.
By 2006, America will witness its congressional elections, a period usually characterised by lack of diplomatic initiatives. When these elections are over, US President George W. Bush's term will be approaching its end.
If the international community, and specifically America, is serious about promoting a viable two-state solution, they need to interfere and halt Israeli actions that directly jeopardise that goal.
Israeli deeds on the ground, Palestinian internal disarray and American political constrictions all bode ill for a peaceful settlement of the conflict.
[url="http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/OpinionNF.asp?ArticleID=177048"]http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/OpinionNF.asp?ArticleID=177048[/url]
2005-08-17 00:02 | User Profile
Gaza Settlers Defy Evacuation Deadline
NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip - Thousands of Jewish settlers and supporters defied a Tuesday deadline to leave Gaza, pelting Israeli troops with eggs and stones and dancing around the Torah in celebration of their resistance to Prime Minister Sharon's historic plan to disengage from the Palestinians.
While a few of Gaza's 21 communities were deserted by midnight, settlers in other outposts hunkered down to await a dawn confrontation with Israeli forces prepared to forcibly evict them. Settler leaders shouted over bullhorns for protesters to go to bed and conserve their strength. Youngsters slept on the synagogue lawn.
Earlier, some 2,000 Israeli troops poured into Neve Dekalim ââ¬â the largest settlement and epicenter of resistance.
Soldiers marched through the gate and fanned out through the village. Commanders carried maps, and troops took up positions near the industrial zone, linking arms to form a cordon. Other soldiers went house-to-house, trying to persuade residents one last time to leave voluntarily. At times, settlers and soldiers were reduced to tears as they argued over the wisdom of abandoning Gaza, Israeli-occupied land for 38 years and the focus of deadly Israeli-Palestinian conflict for decades.
One woman was overheard telling a soldier how her mother was forced to pack her bags and flee Nazi Germany. "Just remember that you are the evil one who is throwing me out of my house," the woman said, rebuffing the soldier's offer of help.
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians;_ylt=AhQHfz556W5eRGhxnev71G8UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians;_ylt=AhQHfz556W5eRGhxnev71G8UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl[/url] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050816/i/r3112141014.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli police officers remove a Jewish settler in the Neve Dekalim settlement, the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements, in the southern Gaza Strip August 16, 2005. Israeli security forces poured into the largest Gaza settlement on Tuesday, clashing with crowds of protesters defying orders for Jews to leave the occupied territory by midnight or be removed. Soldiers and police trying to take control of Neve Dekalim, a flashpoint of resistance against the first uprooting of Jewish settlements on land Palestinians want for a state, dragged away more than 50 youths, some kicking, punching and cursing.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050816/capt.jrl12408161156.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl124.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Jewish settlers clash with Israeli police as they try to prevent them from carrying out their disengagement mission in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
2005-08-17 02:04 | User Profile
Historic, lol. The only occasion I'd use the word historic for is when applying to whatever happens to that shitstain of humanity would be cutting it off and letting it fight it out with the Arabs alone (and with nukes at ready to wipe it out if it misbehaves and/or starts threatening the West).
2005-08-17 02:45 | User Profile
| [img]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/data/images//2005/08/09/rabbi-yosef-s.jpg[/img] | Jews across Israel are taking part in a mass prayer at Jerusalem's Western Wall, just below the Temple Mount, Wednesday to call on G-d to stop the expulsion of Jews from their homes in Gush Katif. |
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Haredi and National Religious rabbis are calling upon all Jews to take part in a mass prayer at the Western Wall Wednesday for the "nullification of the uprooting decree."
Former Ashkenazi and Sephardi Chief Rabbis Avraham Shapira and Mordechai Eliyahu, who have long led protests against the Gaza expulsion plan, will lead rabbis in a united call directed to the Heavens, rather than toward Israel's Knesset. Rabbis Shapira and Eliyahu will be joined by Shas Party Leader and former Sephardi Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (pictured above), members of the Haredi-religious Council of Torah Sages, former MK Rabbi Menachem Porush and other prominent Hassidic rabbis.
**The event has special significance in that it marks a rare uniting of leading, influential Rabbis from the Hareidi, Sephardic, and National Religious sectors together in one event.
...The ceremony will begin at 6 PM. Organizers plan on distributing sack-cloth to worshippers "in order to symbolize the mourning that is resulting from the decision to expel Jews."**
[url="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=87399"]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=87399[/url]
2005-08-17 11:38 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050816/capt.jrl12408161156.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl124.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Jewish settlers clash with Israeli police as they try to prevent them from carrying out their disengagement mission in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050817/mdf29822.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli border police and soldiers detain a Jewish settler in the settlement of Neve Dekalim in the Gaza Strip Wednesday Aug. 17, 2005. At Neve Dekalim, the largest settlement and a focus of resistance, hundreds of troops grabbed settlers and pushed them into buses, as the army began the forcible removal of people who refused orders to leave the area.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050816/i/r1106910702.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli police scuffle with Jewish settlers in the Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements in the southern Gaza Strip August 16, 2005.[/font]
2005-08-17 16:46 | User Profile
Yeah, "Jews don't expel Jews" -- they only expel Palestinians or other "lower" forms of life.
Settlers are the most disgusting of the Israelis by far. This is one time when I can say I agree with what the Israeli military is doing. Kick those whiny brats out of there, even as they kick and scream and throw tantrums like the spoiled-rotten children they are!
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Go get 'em! :lol:
2005-08-17 16:55 | User Profile
NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip - Israeli troops dragged sobbing Jewish settlers out of homes, synagogues and even a nursery school Wednesday and hauled them onto buses in a massive evacuation, fulfilling Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's promise to withdraw from the Gaza Strip after a 38-year occupation.
In the West Bank, an Israeli settler grabbed a gun from a security guard in the Shilo settlement and started shooting Palestinians, killing three and wounding two before being arrested. The killings aroused fears of Palestinian retaliation and the disruption of the evacuation mission.
Sharon condemned the shootings as acts of "Jewish terror" aimed at stopping the pullout. He said the violence was "aimed against innocent Palestinians, out of twisted thinking, aimed at stopping the disengagement." Later, Palestinians fired a mortar shell toward the Morag settlement, but no injuries were reported. The Islamic militant group Hamas threatened to avenge the shootings but said it had an interest in seeing the withdrawal proceed.
A woman opposed to the pullout set herself on fire at a police roadblock, suffering life-threatening injuries. During the forced evacuation, unarmed soldiers carried away worshippers wrapped in white prayer shawls. Wailing men ripped their shirts in a Jewish mourning ritual. Women in a synagogue pressed their faces against the curtain covering the Torah scroll.
Settlers kicked and screamed as they were loaded onto buses. One woman in Neve Dekalim shouted, "I don't want to! I don't want to!" as she was carried away... [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.jrl14408171153.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl144.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler cries as she is dragged away by Israeli police officers out of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians"]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians[/url]
2005-08-17 17:00 | User Profile
I object to the word Jewish "settler". Thief is more appropriate.
The pull out of Gaza is a smokescreen for more Jewish land grabs in the West Bank and Jerusalem. Not that you'd hear that in any US media outlet. To most of the MSM, Israel is "courageous" to take such a "risk".
If there's no Jews left in Gaza, does that means that Palestinians living there now are sitting ducks for annihilation?
2005-08-17 17:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] The pull out of Gaza is a smokescreen for more Jewish land grabs in the West Bank and Jerusalem. Not that you'd hear that in any US media outlet. To most of the MSM, Israel is "courageous" to take such a "risk".[/QUOTE] X, Did you see my post (#2) in this thread? It was an article from a Middle Eastern news outlet that makes that exact point.
2005-08-17 17:20 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.jrl14008171112.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl140.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Wednesday, Aug. 17, 2005. In Neve Dekalim, the largest settlement and a focus of resistance, the army began Wednesday the forcible removal of people who refused orders to leave the area. In the back a pro-settler movement banner reads in Hebrew 'We will be here forever.'[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050817/i/r4148899749.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli soldiers carry away a Jewish settler in the Jewish settlement of Morag, part of the Gush Katif settlement bloc, August 17.[/FONT]
2005-08-17 17:48 | User Profile
Yeap, they make a big deal about the 10% that they are "giving" back and say nothing of the 60% MORE that they are stealing.
And now that they are leaving stolen lands we "America" are going to "reward" them by giving them 2.3 billions dollars in order to build better homes than what they have now.
And on top of that they are going to destroy the houses for which the US gave them the money to build.
I wonder how long before the Zionists will march once again into the so called Palestinian land? that so called Palestinian land is nothing more than a BIG jail.
2005-08-17 17:52 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050817/capt.sge.uug35.170805105800.photo00.photo.default-349x384.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]A settler argues with a Israeli police in the settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050817/i/r2394426342.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli settlers cry as soldiers arrive to evacuate the Jewish settlement of Morag, part of the Gush Katif settlement bloc.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050817/i/r3920800618.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050817/i/r1248096467.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli soldiers carry a young Jewish settler in the Jewish settlement of Shirat Hayam, part of the Gush Katif bloc. [/FONT]
2005-08-17 17:54 | User Profile
XM,
I like the term "sqautler" for these fanatics. "Thief" works well too.
2005-08-17 18:05 | User Profile
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2005-08-17 18:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
I like the term "sqautler" for these fanatics. "Thief" works well too.[/QUOTE]
Totally, Sert. And it's not like us loser Americans aren't paying for them to friggin' move either! And dey have da noive da complain! Why I oughtta.....!
2005-08-17 20:16 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050817/mdf28698.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]A Jewish settler weeps on an Israeli soldier's shoulder during scuffles in the Neve Dekalim.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050816/capt.sge.urd40.160805233820.photo04.photo.default-380x249.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli settlers dance outside the synagogue of the Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom. [/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050816/i/r3259860171.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli settlers cry and mourn during a farewell ceremony at a final gathering for residents in the Jewish settlement of Nissanit in the northern Gaza Strip.[/FONT]
2005-08-17 21:00 | User Profile
I wonder where Avi Weiss and his stripe pyjama brigade is? This is the sort of thing he thrives on.
2005-08-18 01:13 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050816/capt.jrl14608161454.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl146.jpg[/IMG] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler boy stands in front of Israeli security forces in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050816/i/r28648258.jpg[/IMG] [font=Courier New]Jewish settlers pray in front of Israeli police officers in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim[/font]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050816/mdf27408.jpg[/IMG] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler confronts an Israeli soldier outside the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
2005-08-18 03:01 | User Profile
The eviction of the settlers from Gaza is probably something that needs to be done, but you can't expect anyone being kicked out of their home to be happy about it, regardless of whether their claim to live on that land is moral, just or legal under international law. Israel has been in Gaza for over 30 years. Many of the younger settlers would have lived there for their entire lives. It's home to them, and it's understandable that they have difficulty coming to terms with being forced to leave.
Also, it's to be expected that the Arabs will play this down as being a mere ploy, too little too late, not enough, or a good thing but completely neutralised by Israel's other crimes. OTOH, Hamas seem pretty happy about it, claiming the pullout is a victory on the road to Israel's final defeat. I don't think that the destruction of Israel would be a good thing for Western Civilisation, White people or the cause of ethnic nationalism in general.
I want as many Jews as possible to move to Israel. This implies acknowledging Israel's right to exist, even if rejecting any moral obligation on the part of Western countries to guarantee Israel's right to exist through force of arms (e.g. sending their children to die to protect Israel's security). The publically stated aim of Palestinian militants like Hamas and the PLO is the destruction of Israel as an independent ethno-state. Why the hell should I feel sympathy for them when Israel slaps their sandy asses back into the desert? (where they belong) Especially since they're not White.
2005-08-18 03:17 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.jrl19808171628.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl198.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.jrl18408171531.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl184.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli soldiers stand as members of the Amichai Jewish settler family are escorted out of their house and into a bus.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.jrl17908171527.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl179.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli police attempt to drag Jewish settlers on a bus in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/FONT]
2005-08-18 20:50 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050816/capt.sge.uoz31.160805163225.photo00.photo.default-384x275.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]Israeli settlers set up a barricade at the Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gaza Strip. Violent scuffles erupted between Israeli settlers and hundreds of security forces inside the main Gaza settlement as removal vans tried to reach houses of residents facing eviction.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050816/i/r4157848896.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]A Jewish settler documents his burning house in the settlements of Bedolah in the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements in the southern Gaza Strip.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050816/capt.jrl15008161534.mideast_israel_angry_settlers_jrl150.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]Black smoke billows from a bonfire of property set ablaze by departing Jewish settlers, in the Jewish settlement of Bedolah, in the Gush Katif bloc of settlements. Residents in Bedolah said they planned to torch their homes before leaving.[/FONT]
2005-08-18 21:48 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.jrl13708181202.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl137.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler family, some wearing orange replicas of the Nazi-era Star of David, walks past Israeli soldiers toward a bus evacuating them from the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom, in the southern Gaza Strip, Thursday Aug. 18, 2005.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050819/capt.sge.amk42.190805155205.photo00.photo.default-384x242.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli policemen evacuate a settler as another reprimands them in the Southern Gaza Strip Gush Katif settlement of Gadid.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.xem10408171813.mideast_israel_kids_in_the_middle_xem104.jpg[/img] [font=Courier]Jewish settlers children employ Nazi-era imagery, including stars of David on their shirts, in protest against their forced removal by Israeli troops from their home.[/font]
2005-08-18 22:32 | User Profile
i would like to clarify two points.
first of all, Jews are not thieves. bc if they are, what about European invasion of Americas? Indians know a lot about it, so ask them.
and concerning the $2B per year.
more than half is spent on weapons MANUFACTURED in the US by US workers. the rest is economical aid, like Egypt gets as well.
what do u have to say? am curious how smart u think u r. in the US, your statements are assimilated with "white trash" population. totally counter-productive and anti-American, because this category of Americans is entirely useless and should better settle in other parts of the world.
2005-08-18 22:41 | User Profile
now my comment on the story about Gaza withdrawal.
i think its ok because Gaza is a garbage that is waiting to be thrown out in the sea. who would like to live there? lol
i think religious ppl can believe what they want as long as they let u believe what U want. which means tolerating seculars, Muslims, Christians...etc.
i believe Israel's is a small gift compared to what Holocaust has cost to the Jewish nation and i would add to the world. all these future doctors, writers, entrepreneurs, travellers, scientists wiped out in a few years. it was really a crime against mankind.
why some whites would dislike Jewish ppl? bc they have no social security and cant go to their expensive doctors. bc they have been fired by their Jewish boss. bc they lost their promotion to another manager that happened to be Jewish. bc they hate their Jewish neighbour and his stock-options....etc. u got 1000s of excuses. so i think u should be forgiven for your ignorance. :smartass:
2005-08-18 23:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=rosenzweig]now my comment on the story about Gaza withdrawal.
i think its ok because Gaza is a garbage that is waiting to be thrown out in the sea. who would like to live there? lol
i think religious ppl can believe what they want as long as they let u believe what U want. which means tolerating seculars, Muslims, Christians...etc.
i believe Israel's is a small gift compared to what Holocaust has cost to the Jewish nation and i would add to the world. all these future doctors, writers, entrepreneurs, travellers, scientists wiped out in a few years. it was really a crime against mankind.
why some whites would dislike Jewish ppl? bc they have no social security and cant go to their expensive doctors. bc they have been fired by their Jewish boss. bc they lost their promotion to another manager that happened to be Jewish. bc they hate their Jewish neighbour and his stock-options....etc. u got 1000s of excuses. so i think u should be forgiven for your ignorance. :smartass:[/QUOTE]
You know Rosen, my first feelings were to curse you out but that's the Jewish way when ever they are lost for words therefore I won't do it.
Remember that what your people are leaving is only 10% of stolen land, therefore you are doing no one any "favor" and still to this hour you are still stealing land that you call "garbage" and destroying Palestinian homes in Jerusalen and other places.
The name of Israel is "The State of Israel" for the simple reason that your people were given a piece of stolen land in PALESTINE to be called a state and not a country.
From there in 1948 "you people" decided to terrorise the Arabs and kick them out of their home, you killed many an entire fafilies and made WHOLE Arabs villages disappear, like magic.
According to your people ALL Arabs sold you their land and is funny to see that not one single familie deside to keep the home that was theirs for centuries.....all that I can tell you is BULL.
You and your people stole THE BEST Arab land and made some improvement and then told the world that you did the whole thing on your own out of a dessert of sand.........BULL, and what ever else was done from 48 to 2000 was done by Palestinian labor but paid by you.
If the Gaza is "garbage", now like you say it is, then the reason for that is that your people have poisoned the ground and the water wells and DESTROYED all Palestienians trees and home.....as a matter of fact you are even destroying the houses that were yours thanks to US taxpayers money.
Tell me this (with evidence) when has the state of Israel paid back any of the 1.4 TRILLION dollars that the US has loaned them? have you ever paid back even one payment?, every year the US "forgives" the loan from the previous year and then makes a new one.
Those so called loans of 2 to 7 billions to the state of israel don't even includes the so called outdated equipment that the US "donates" to those peski little worms.
Read this and then come back to me.....thanks.
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"When the truth comes into the light the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce
2005-08-19 03:15 | User Profile
I watched CNN, Fox Cable and MSNBC and couldn't muster one tear for these squatters, (thanks, Serts).
I don't trust Israel, especially Sharon. Why did the Army allow the non-residents, aka outside agitators, freedom to enter this area weeks before the eviction was to start? Why didn't the army cordon off places like synogogues where it was predictable these people would make a last-ditch, made-for-the-media stand? If you're going to evict these squatters, why let more people enter than are already there...unless a parallel purpose...a totally Machiavellian one, was in full swing. While the Israeli ambassador to the UN wept, while Fox Cable news readers reported in total disbelief, and while our president announced this was a first step toward real peace, we learn that there are over 140 illegal settlements in the West Bank and Sharon has no plans to dismantle them. Additionally, there is no infrastructure left in Gaza. We want them to thrive says Daniel Ayalon...but fails to mention that the land will be totally bulldozed, water distribution hasn't been decided, there are no hospitals, schools, businesses, roads that will lead to anywhere except their own enclave. Marvelous. How generous of the Jews.
Maybe this was the script afterall. Decades ago it was decided that Gaza was the bargaining chip in Israel's long term plans, so it kept fattening up the sacrificial lamb by enticing mostly Brooklyn and Russian Jews to receive stipends for settling there, knowing full well that one day they may be "forced" to leave. Let them build their swimming pools and plant gardens, build hospitals and schools, all the better to make it appear to be a stable, valuable piece of real estate. So when it came time to surrender something of ostensible value in order to appease the puppet US president, what better place to amputate than this. So Sharon makes a big show about the tremendous sacrifice Israelis are making. Parts of the world weep and call the Israelis courageous almost to the point of martydom. Surely, any country that would put itself in such peril could only be doing so for the most noble of reasons.
And yet I heard one Jew, Naomi Wolff, say something quite astounding today. She introduced herself as a Jew but not a Zionist. She calmly said that what the Israeli police and army are doing to the Jews, the Jews did to the Palestinians, only worse when they pushed them off their lands and gave them nothing in exchange but squalor, degradation and death. She bravely stated that while the Israeli police and army were suffering the taunts, kicks, spits, punches of fellow Jews, they would kill Palestinian children who threw rocks. She also said that the plight of the Palestinians is never shown but here we are getting 24/7 coverage of this eviction. I wonder how many other honest Jews have come to the same conclusion.
I believe what happened in Gaza is politics at its most conniving, theatrical, premeditated best.
2005-08-19 09:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE]i believe Israel's is a small gift compared to what Holocaust has cost to the Jewish nation and i would add to the world. all these future doctors, writers, entrepreneurs, travellers, scientists wiped out in a few years. it was really a crime against mankind.[/QUOTE] I disagree. I think that the creation of Israel is the third great mistake of the 20th Century for the West. Unfortunately, the idiots just had to pick that place of all places based upon a "deed" that some have argued became null and void some 1972 years ago. Your founders should have taken Uganda instead.
You write about all the "future doctors, writers, entrepreneurs, travellers, scientists" that died and what a crime it was. It was no worse than all the "future doctors, writers, entrepreneurs, travellers, scientists" of Russia your tribesmen killed after the Bolshevik revolution. Those people would have been educated by those who ushered in Russia"s "Age of Silver". Instead, your ancestors and their shabbos goy allies replaced it with the "Age of (fool's) Gold" of the 1920's and all the killing that went on during that time.
RRP,
Too bad the Madagascar option was never put into effect. I like the idea of that place being a homeland for the tribe. The belief that Jews are nothing more than parasites could be put to the test on an island that has alot of natural resources and better still, could be patrolled by naval forces put together from western navies to make sure they stay there.
2005-08-19 10:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]The eviction of the settlers from Gaza is probably something that needs to be done, but you can't expect anyone being kicked out of their home to be happy about it, regardless of whether their claim to live on that land is moral, just or legal under international law. Israel has been in Gaza for over 30 years. Many of the younger settlers would have lived there for their entire lives. It's home to them, and it's understandable that they have difficulty coming to terms with being forced to leave. I for one am enjoying this whole thing. The settlers...er, squatters have been happily living on stolen land and thinking all along that they're entitled to it because of their "superiority" as Jews. Watching them scream and wail as they're carried away warms my heart.
Also, it's to be expected that the Arabs will play this down as being a mere ploy, too little too late, not enough, or a good thing but completely neutralised by Israel's other crimes. OTOH, Hamas seem pretty happy about it, claiming the pullout is a victory on the road to Israel's final defeat. I don't think that the destruction of Israel would be a good thing for Western Civilisation, White people or the cause of ethnic nationalism in general. As far as I can tell from the media so far, the Arabs seem to be fairly satisfied with this pull-out.
As for Israel being destroyed, I wouldn't mind seeing that at all. Not only would it serve justice for the many Arabs from whom the land was stolen, it would remove an external object of loyalty for all the Jews living in other lands. There are many Jews who have no interest in living in Israel, but they still see it as a unifying part of Jewish identity.
If I had my way, it would be the Palestinians who would get control of that land, and millions of Jews would be stuck in the refugee camps. The Palestinians have been suffering too long, yet they've shown commendable bravery in fighting against a much stronger foe. The Jews have been gleefully kicking them while they're down for over half a century, using every kind of lie and hypocrisy to justify themselves. I think the Jews have had their chance to join the human race, and they've blown it.
I want as many Jews as possible to move to Israel. This implies acknowledging Israel's right to exist, even if rejecting any moral obligation on the part of Western countries to guarantee Israel's right to exist through force of arms (e.g. sending their children to die to protect Israel's security). The publically stated aim of Palestinian militants like Hamas and the PLO is the destruction of Israel as an independent ethno-state. Why the hell should I feel sympathy for them when Israel slaps their sandy asses back into the desert? (where they belong) Especially since they're not White.[/QUOTE]Well, again, the Palestinians are the victims here. They're the ones who were originally kicked out of their homes by Jewish terrorists. And just think of how the Jews have repaid all the help the US has given them: the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty attack, Jonathan Pollard, etc., etc. The Jews are, for the most part, disgusting people, a blemish on the world. They don't deserve their own nation -- they belong exactly where the Palestinians are now.
2005-08-19 11:51 | User Profile
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050819/i/r4005335636.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]Israeli police personnel carry a Jewish settler from a roof in the Gadid settlement in the Gush Katif bloc.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050819/mdf33141.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]A Jewish settler screams at Israeli troops while carrying her child to an evacuation bus in the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom.[/FONT]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050819/i/r633127167.jpg[/IMG] [FONT="Courier New"]An Israeli opponent of Israel's disengagement plan from Gaza screams at a special evacuation policeman after police took over the roof of a synagogue in the Jewish Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom.[/FONT]
2005-08-19 12:04 | User Profile
The best way to get the sqautlers out is to simply withdraw the military presence and avoid going through all that crap. In less than 24 hours there won't be a Jew left in Gaza, "god's chosen people" aside.
2005-08-19 12:33 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.axlp10908182240.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_axlp109.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Jewish settlers sing religious songs in front of Israeli police in riot gear on the rooftop of the synagogue of the southern Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.xjrl16608182200.mideast_israel_palestinians_xjrl166.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Young settlers cry as they sit on the roof of their house trying to escape the Israeli military who came to evict them from their home in Neve Dekalim.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050819/capt.sge.amk42.190805155205.photo03.photo.default-384x256.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Two Israeli settler women shout at police from a hole in the roof of their home moments before being evacuated from their house.[/font] [font=Courier New][/font]
2005-08-19 14:52 | User Profile
From Counterpunch --
[right][font=Times New Roman][size=+1]August 17, 2005[/size][/font] [/right] [font=Times New Roman][size=+2]Watching the Gazan Fiasco[/size][/font]
**[font=Times New Roman][size=+2][color=#990000]The Shame of It All[/color][/size][/font]**
[font=Times New Roman][size=+2][color=#000000]By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=+3][color=#990000]A[/color][/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=-1] great charade is taking place in front of the world media in the Gaza Strip. It is the staged evacuation of 8000 Jewish settlers from their illegal settlement homes, and it has been carefully designed to create imagery to support Israel's US-backed takeover of the West Bank and cantonization of the Palestinians.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]There was never the slightest reason for Israel to send in the army to remove these settlers. The entire operation could have been managed, without the melodrama necessary for a media frenzy, by providing them with a fixed date on which the IDF would withdraw from inside the Gaza Strip. A week before, all the settlers will quietly have left *with no TV cameras, no weeping girls, no anguished soldiers, no commentators asking cloying questions of how Jews could remove other Jews from their homes, and no more trauma about their terrible suffering, the world's victims, who therefore have to be helped to kick the Palestinians out of the West Bank.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]The settlers will relocate to other parts of Israel * and in some cases to other illegal settlements in the West Bank *handsomely compensated for their inconvenience. Indeed, each Jewish family leaving the Gaza Strip will receive between $140,000 and $400,000 just for the cost of the home they leave behind. But these details are rarely mentioned in the tempest of reporting on the "great confrontation" and "historical moment" brought to us by Sharon and the thieving, murderous settler-culture he helped create.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]On ABC's* Nightline* Monday night, a reporter interviewed a young, sympathetic Israeli woman from the largest Gaza settlement, Neve Dekalim - a girl with sincerity in her voice, holding back tears. She doesn't view the soldiers as her enemy, she says, and doesn't want violence. She will leave even though to do so is causing her great pain. She talked about the tree she planted in front of her home with her brother when she was three; about growing up in the house they were now leaving, the memories, and knowing she could never return; that even if she did, everything she knew would be gone from the scene. The camera then panned to her elderly parents sitting somberly amid boxed-up goods, surveying the scene, looking forlorn and resigned. Her mother was a kindergarten teacher, we are told. She knew just about all of the children who grew up here near the sea.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]In the 5 years of Israel's brutal suppression of the Palestinian uprising against the occupation, I never once saw or heard a segment as long and with as much sentimental, human detail as I did here; never once remember a reporter allowing a sympathetic young Palestinian woman, whose home was just bulldozed and who lost everything she owned, tell of her pain and sorrow, of her memories and her family's memories; never got to listen to her reflect on where she would go now and how she would live. And yet in Gaza alone more than 23,000 people have lost their homes to Israeli bulldozers and bombs since September 2000 -- often at a moment's notice * on the grounds that they "threatened Israel's security." The vast majority of the destroyed homes were located too close to an IDF military outpost or illegal settlement to be allowed to continue standing. The victims received no compensation for their losses and had no place waiting for them to relocate. Most ended up in temporary UNRWA tent-cities until they could find shelter elsewhere in the densely overcrowded Strip, a quarter of whose best land was inhabited by the 1% of the population that was Jewish and occupying the land at their expense.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Where were the cameramen in May 2004 in Rafah when refugees twice over lost their homes again in a single night's raid, able to retrieve nothing of what they owned? Where were they when bulldozers and tanks tore up paved streets with steel blades, wrecked the sewage and water pipes, cut electricity lines, and demolished a park and a zoo; when snipers shot two children, a brother and sister, feeding their pigeons on the roof of their home? When the occupying army fired a tank shell into a group of peaceful demonstrators killing 14 of them including two children? Where have they been for the past five years when the summer heat of Rafah makes life so unbearable it is all one can do to sit quietly in the shade of one's corrugated tin roof -- because s/he is forbidden to go to the sea, ten minutes' walking distance from the city center? Or because if they ventured to the more open spaces they became walking human targets? And when their citizens resisted, where were the accolades and the admiring media to comment on the "pluck," the "will" and "audacity" of these "young people"?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]On Tuesday, 16 August, the Israeli daily* Haaretz* reported that more than 900 journalists from Israel and around the world are covering the events in Gaza, and that hundreds of others are in cities and towns in Israel to cover local reactions. Were there ever that many journalists in one place during the past 5 years to cover the Palestinian* Intifada*?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Where were the 900 international journalists in April 2002 after the Jenin refugee camp was laid to waste in the matter of a week in a show of pure Israeli hubris and sadism? Where were the 900 international journalists last fall when the Jabalya refugee camp in Gaza lay under an Israeli siege and more than 100 civilians were killed? Where were they for five years while the entire physical infrastructure of the Gaza Strip was being destroyed? Which one of them reported that every crime of the Israeli occupation * from home demolitions, targeted assassinations and total closures to the murder of civilians and the wanton destruction of commercial and public property- increased significantly in Gaza* after* Sharon's "Disengagement" Plan - that great step toward peace - was announced?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Where are the hundreds of journalists who should be covering the many non-violent protests by Palestinians and Israelis against the Apartheid Wall? *Non-violent protesters met with violence and humiliation by Israeli armed forces? Where are the hundreds of journalists who should be reporting on the economic and geographic encirclement of Palestinian East Jerusalem and of the bisection of the West Bank and the subdivision of each region into dozens of isolated mini-prisons? Why aren't we being barraged by outraged reports about the Jewish-only bypass roads? About the hundreds of pointless internal checkpoints? About the countless untried executions and maimings? About the torture and abuse of Palestinians in Israeli prisons?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Where were these hundreds of journalists when each of the 680 Palestinian children shot to death by Israeli soldiers over the last 5 years was laid to rest by grief-stricken family members? The shame of it all defies words.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Now instead report after report announces the "end to the 38 year old occupation" of the Gaza Strip, a "turning point for peace" and the news that "it is now illegal for Israelis to live in Gaza." Is this some kind of joke?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Yes, it *is* "illegal for Israelis to live in the Gaza Strip" as colonizers from another land. It has been illegal for 38 years. (If they wish to move there and live as equals with the Palestinians and not as Israeli citizens they may do so.)[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]Sharon's unilateral "Disengagement" plan is not ending the occupation of Gaza. The Israelis are not relinquishing control over the Strip. They are retaining control of all land, air and sea borders including the Philadelphi corridor along the Gaza/Egypt border where the Egyptians may be allowed to patrol under Israel's watchful eye and according to Israel's strictest terms. The 1.4 million inhabitants of Gaza remain prisoners in a giant penal colony, despite what their partisan leaders are attempting to claim. The IDF is merely redeploying outside the Gaza Strip, which is surrounded by electrical and concrete fences, barbed wire, watchtowers, armed guards and motion censors, and it will retain the authority to invade Gaza on a whim. Eight thousand Palestinian workers working in Israel for slave wages will soon be banned from returning to work. Another 3,200 Palestinians who worked in the settlements for a sub-minimum-wage have been summarily dismissed without recourse to severance pay or other forms of compensation. Still others will lose their livelihoods when the Israelis move the Gaza Industrial Zone from Erez to somewhere in the Negev desert.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]The World Bank reported in December 2004 that both poverty and unemployment will* rise* following the "Disengagement" even under the best of circumstances because Israel will retain full control over the movement of goods in and out of Gaza, will maintain an enforced separation of the West Bank and Gaza preventing the residents of each from visiting one another, and will draw up separate customs agreements with each zone severing their already shattered economies-- and yet we are forced to listen day in and day out to news about this historic peace initiative, this great turning point in the career of Ariel Sharon, this story of national trauma for the brothers and sisters who have had to carry out the painful orders of their wise and besieged leader.[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]What will it take to get the truth across to people? To the young woman of Neve Dekalim who can speak her words without batting an eyelash of embarrassment or shame? As the cameras zoom in on angry settlers poignantly clashing with their "brothers and sisters" in the Israeli army, who will be concerned about their other brothers and sisters in Gaza? When will the Palestinian history of 1948 and 1967, and of each passing day under the violence of dispossession and dehumanization, get a headline in our papers?[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=-1]I am reminded of an interview I had this summer in Beirut with Hussein Nabulsi of Hizbullah * an organization that has had nothing to do with the movement for Palestinian national liberation whatsoever, but one that has become allied with those it sees as the real victims of US and Israeli policies and lies. I remember his tightly shut eyes and his clenched fists as he asked how long Arabs and Muslims were supposed to accept the accusations that they are the victimizers and the terrorists. "It hurts," he said in a whispered ardor. "It hurts so much to watch this injustice every day." And he went on to explain to me why the Americans and the Israelis * with their monstrous military arsenals * will never be victorious.[/size][/font]
**[font=Verdana][size=-1]Jennifer Loewenstein[/size][/font]**[font=Verdana][size=-1] will be a viisiting Fellow at the Refugee Studies Centre at Oxford University beginning this fall. She can be reached: [email="amadea311@earthlink.net"]amadea311@earthlink.net[/email]
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2005-08-19 15:05 | User Profile
Is there anything more loathsome than those whiny, cryin', ragin' jewish women in those pictures?
2005-08-19 16:07 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.xjrl16008182135.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_xjrl160.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler salutes in a Nazi way, to compare the Israeli forces with Nazi troops, after he was arrested on the rooftop of the synagogue during the forced evacuation of the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.xjrl14408182033.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_xjrl144.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler dressed with Nazi-era clothing walks out of his house with his hands up as he is evacuated by Israeli police in the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim.[/font]
[font=Courier New][img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050817/capt.xem10908171912.mideast_israel_kids_in_the_middle_xem109.jpg[/img][/font] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler uses Nazi-era imagery, including a star of David on his shirt, in protest against the forced removal of Jewish settlers by Israeli troops, as they are walked out of their front door to a waiting bus, in the Kerem Atzmona settlement in the Gaza Strip.[/font] [img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050818/i/r2267842274.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli troops stormed two Gaza Strip synagogues and dragged out screaming settlers and supporters on Thursday in assaults on the last bastions of resistance to a pullout from the occupied territory. Hundreds of unarmed soldiers and police swept into the main house of worship in the largest Gaza settlement, Neve Dekalim, ending a two-day standoff with more than a thousand ultranationalist youths who had defied orders to leave.[/font]
2005-08-19 16:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Is there anything more loathsome than those whiny, cryin', ragin' jewish women in those pictures?[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. A couple of 'em standing by that light are actually attractive. Blond-headed, too.
2005-08-19 16:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Watching the Gazan Fiasco By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN
Jennifer Loewenstein...Self-hating jew??
Personally, I don't see why Israel needs to withdraw from anywhere. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, right? Should Texas give back Mexico? We could probably make a deal for Puerto Rico, though.
The same globalist/red-commies griping about the plight of the Palestinians are the same ones constantly harping on the U.S. and Western Europe at how racist and evil they are, should give more money to Africa, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I've got no use for them and could really care less about any of it.
2005-08-19 16:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Is there anything more loathsome than those whiny, cryin', ragin' jewish women in those pictures?[/QUOTE]The men! :caiphas:
"Waaaaa! I don't wanna go! I don't wanna go! Boooo HOOOOOO!! I want an Oompa-Loompa NOWWWWW!!"
2005-08-19 17:03 | User Profile
Thanks for the photos, Albion. Very interesting.
2005-08-19 17:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Personally, I don't see why Israel needs to withdraw from anywhere. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, right? Should Texas give back Mexico? We could probably make a deal for Puerto Rico, though. Israel should withdraw if it wishes to stop the ceaseless insurrection that comes from occupying the land of a hostile population by force of arms. If they have grown attached to the vicious cycle of retaliation-response, then I suppose they should stay. By the way, the US has a better claim to Texas than Israel does to the Gaza Strip, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] The same globalist/red-commies griping about the plight of the Palestinians are the same ones constantly harping on the U.S. and Western Europe at how racist and evil they are, should give more money to Africa, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I've got no use for them and could really care less about any of it.[/QUOTE] First of all, the Palestinian population includes continuously-existing Christian communities that go back almost 2000 years (though they are a minority). The welfare of those communities is more important to me than homes for Jewish settlers. Secondly, I think it is dangerous to hold an opinion based upon who else is holding (or opposing) that opinion. I'm sure many red-commies oppose throwing debtors in jail, but that is hardly a sound reason for me to support it.
2005-08-19 17:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]The men! :caiphas:
"Waaaaa! I don't wanna go! I don't wanna go! Boooo HOOOOOO!! I want an Oompa-Loompa NOWWWWW!!"[/QUOTE]
Classic!!
2005-08-19 17:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Israel should withdraw if it wishes to stop the ceaseless insurrection that comes from occupying the land of a hostile population by force of arms. If they have grown attached to the vicious cycle of retaliation-response, then I suppose they should stay.
Same thing could have been and was said about apartheid in the Republic of South Africa. How nations govern their internal affairs are really their own business. If you want to argue that the U.S. should stop all foreign aid to Israel then I would agree. But the plight of 'occupied Palestine' is really of no concern to me down here in Texas, outside of any effect in might have on our relationship with the oil-producing countries in that region. As far as the Palestinian Christians go, any aid to them should really be funneled through the respective churches, in my opinion. It shouldn't be a matter of official state policy.
I think it is dangerous to hold an opinion based upon who else is holding (or opposing) that opinion. I'm sure many red-commies oppose throwing debtors in jail, but that is hardly a sound reason for me to support it.[/QUOTE]
True in principle, Q. But imagine by some grace of God we were able to enact segregation here in the Southland again. These same commies would be screaming and hollering every step of the way. I support self-determination for whites here in this country and in order to be consistent I cannot criticize Israel for their internal policies.
2005-08-19 18:06 | User Profile
The facts are that Israel exists, they have nukes and they are not going anywhere. The proper American conservative position vis-a-vis Israel should be the advocacy of complete American withdrawal from the region, both financially and politically, and seeking peaceful trade with any nation in the region if it is profitable for us to do so. Outside of that, I really see no genuine American concern for what goes on there.
2005-08-19 18:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]The facts are that Israel exists, they have nukes and they are not going anywhere. The proper American conservative position vis-a-vis Israel should be the advocacy of complete American withdrawal from the region, both financially and politically, and seeking peaceful trade with any nation in the region if it is profitable for us to do so. Outside of that, I really see no genuine American concern for what goes on there.[/QUOTE]
Ditto.
Il Ragno says that the problem is Israel and that nothing short of ending Israel will solve our problems.
I say that this gets it exactly backward.
The problem is the Diaspora, and nothng short of ending the Diaspora will solve our problems.
Israel exists and since it has nukes it ain't going anywhere even if we wanted that. The only way to end the diaspora in keeping with basic justice is to send the Jews to Israel.
Israel is a nation that should have, like all other nations, ethnic purity and secure borders. It follows that the best Mideast policy for Jews and gentiles alike is to (1) draw for Israel clear borders within militarily defensible limits and with due regard for the territorial needs of a Palenstinian rump state (they're doing this with the security fence), (2) remove to Israel proper all Jews from the settlements not within the fence, (3) international recognition of NO right of return for Palestinians to lands within the fence, (4) a policy of gradual relocation of all of Israel's Arab citizens to the Palestinian state or elsewhere with full protection of their safety, security and property, (5) a similar policy of all other countries in the world in regard to their diaspora Jews, relocating them to Israel with similar safeguards of life, limb and property.
At the end of the day the Jews the Palestinians would each have a statelet that they could call their own, and the rest of the world would be shut of the Jews. Then we could move on and just forget their existence on this planet, in accordance with generally applicable "out of sight, out of mind" principles!
In sum, Israel is reality and its existence presents an historic opportunity for us to end the 2,000 year old Diaspora that has wreaked havoc on our civilization, and indeed to do it without resort to barbarous methods.
2005-08-20 03:35 | User Profile
:heart: the lost land will never be won back by hopes in any peace agreement , but only by the force of Jihad and martyrdom... ..never forget[img]http://www.palintefada.com//pictures/children_1/images/bargouti.jpg[/img]
2005-08-20 03:41 | User Profile
Once you cut aid to shittistan and it started losing the war with the Arabs, the inevitable blackmail of the West with their nukes would start (and all zhids in positions of causing harm in the West would do so). It's not that simple, unless you are ready to erase the shitstain of humanity once the danger level from them crosses some threshold.
2005-08-20 03:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=almahdi]the lost land will never be won back by hopes in any peace agreement , but only by the force of Jihad and martyrdom...[/QUOTE]
Great. Knock yourself out.
I don't have a dog in your fight so please just count me and Texas out.
Need some oilfield equipment?
2005-08-20 05:29 | User Profile
In the West Bank, extremists traded blows with soldiers and slashed tires of army jeeps near Sanur, one of the enclaves to be dismantled later this week. The clashes gave a foretaste of the violent confrontations expected when the evacuations move to the West Bank.
In comments at the start of Sunday's Cabinet meeting, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called acts of violent resistance to the pullout "hooliganism" and said Jewish settler leaders ââ¬â once his friends and allies ââ¬â were exploiting the suffering of their followers to push a political agenda.
The forcible removal of settlers in 21 Gaza communities began Wednesday, more than a year after Sharon concluded that Israel no longer could defend its 38-year-old occupation of the coastal strip, which Palestinians claim as part of a future state. The evacuations have proceeded with relatively little violence.
The government is compensating settlers through a complex formula that takes into account such issues as home size, number of family members and amount of time residing in the settlement. Compensation usually amounts to $200,000-$300,000 per family.
Settlers who stayed in Gaza after the deadline could lose some of that compensation.
Katif, Atzmona and Slav ââ¬â the remaining communities in the main settlement bloc, Gush Katif ââ¬â were being emptied Sunday, as was the northern Gaza settlement of Elei Sinai.
The last of the 21 Gaza settlements, Netzarim, is to be evacuated Monday, with the entire Gaza evacuation compressed into just one week, far shorter than the three weeks security forces foresaw.
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians"]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians[/url]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.jrl17108181511.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl171.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler is dragged by police out of the Jewish settlement of Shirat Hayam.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050818/i/r2787309792.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A Jewish settler shouts as he is carried by Israeli police officers towards a bus during a forced evacuation of the Jewish settlement of Kfar Darom, part of the Gush Katif settlement bloc.[/font]
2005-08-21 11:33 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkRed][B][I] - "Once you cut aid to shittistan and it started losing the war with the Arabs, the inevitable blackmail of the West with their nukes would start (and all zhids in positions of causing harm in the West would do so)."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
Once the Jewish influence in diaspora would be eliminated, Israel's chances in such blackmail would be quite slim.
To begin with, even Israel's conventional military is quit enough to beat all its Arab neighbors. They are not going to lose any actual wars to Arabs.
The only realistic scenario of Arabs taking over Israel would by [I]demographic steamroller [/I] (the percentage of Arabs living [B]within[/B] Israel's borders is steadily rising (currently about 20 % of the population) - see here:
[FONT=Trebuchet MS][B][COLOR=Red]"The median age of the Israeli Jew is 35. The median age of the Israeli Arab is 14 and just entering his reproductive years... anxious to make BOTH Love and War! Another way of looking at this is that half of all Israeli-Arabs are under the age of 14! The average Israeli Jewish family has just 3 children; that of the Israeli Arab family, 7 children. This translates into an Israeli Arab generational population increase over 7 times that of the Israeli Jew! This is like a growing "cancer. This is a nightmare!"[/COLOR][/B][/FONT]
[url]http://www.masada2000.org/cancerwithin.html[/url]
France alone could wipe out Israel within seconds with its nukes:
[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Georgia]"France could use its nuclear capability to defend its neighbours, French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said in an interview Monday, while also urging European Union states to increase military spending.
[B]She said that rogue states "could one day point their missiles toward France and its neighbours. We could say to those countries: 'Watch out, if you try to carry out your threats we will destroy you before you know what's hit you."[/B]"[/FONT][/COLOR]
[url]http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=9190[/url]
Their nuclear blackmail wouldn't work, and secular Jews who run the Israeli military would probably rather go out "painlessly" in the way of South Africa rather than disappear in the mushroom cloud. They do [B]not[/B] have the same Masada-mentality that religious Jews possess, they are Epicureans who love life.
Petr
2005-08-21 14:11 | User Profile
[URL=http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians]Gaza Evacuation Nears Completion[/URL]
[IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050821/capt.jrl10908211035.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl109.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New]Israeli soldiers and police walk in front of a bulldozer as they move through fire barricades left by Jewish settlers during the evacuation of the Gaza Strip settlement of Katif, Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005. The first Israeli troops arrived at Katif before daybreak Sunday, one of at least three settlements to be emptied during the day, as the evacuation of the coastal region outpaced the most optimistic predictions. Settlers at Katif had set tyres and bales of hay alight at the gates of the settlement in an effort to block Israeli troops from removing them.[/FONT]
2005-08-21 17:19 | User Profile
As long as American Jews continue to have a monopoly on not just our media but the control of our money supply, Israel will receive obscene amounts of economic and military support from the ever declining IQ of the American people. As a matter of fact, that could be one of the reasons Jews favor unrestricted immigration in this country. What better way to ensure Israeli support than the dumbing down of this country. What mestizo can even locate Israel on a map?
I have to laugh when I speak with folks who charge that it's Israel's superiority in all things that keeps it prosperous and tough. That's like saying Bubba Clinton was a political genius and Hillary is the smartest woman in the world without also identifying the fact that the media was an appendage of the Clinton White House and spent its time covering up, supporting and distorting news coming from those two. When you have that level of complicity Forrest Gump could win the presidency.
Point is, Israel exists because of the US's unquestioning support and that's because Israel's spies, landsmen and evangelical morons are into a blackmail scheme so fierce and unrelenting, that American pols have no choice but to support Israel if they want to stay in office. So pulling out of the ME, specifically, cutting off aid to Israel, is impossible. And as long as Israel remains sucking at our teat, the Arabs will hate us with a vengeance, and who can blame them. This point is never discussed openly without the accompanying anti-semitic smears, and that tells me a great deal about just how insidious the Jewish influence is in this country. It tells me the people who run our government are cowards who've been co-opted by tough, monied lobbyists who corrupt the system with impunity. So when it comes to this "shitty little country", getting out of the relationship is not even an option, and as long as that isn't on the table, the ME will continue to be our most dangerous threat. I suspect pre-WWII Germany was in a similar situation.
2005-08-22 00:18 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050821/i/r3607193866.jpg[/img] [font=Courier]An Israeli settler reacts as police forces evacuate her and her family from their home in the Jewish Gaza Strip settlement of Atzmona.[/font]
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050821/capt.sge.awr38.210805215049.photo01.photo.default-285x380.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]An Israeli soldier escorts a settler carrying his goldfish as he goes on the bus that will take him away for good from the Gaza's Gush Katif settlements bloc of Katif.[/font] [url="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050821/capt.sge.awr38.210805215049.photo01.photo.default-285x380.jpg"][/url]
2005-08-22 01:13 | User Profile
Almahdi you are right, what was stolen with the gun will have to be taken back with another gun.
The Zionist Khazards have NO RIGHTS to be in Palestine and for as long as they are there they will know no peace.
Right now on CCTV (China) not only are the Jews taking down all the houses paid for by the American taxpayers but they are also taking down all the trees, shame on them.......but they have no shame so I guess that is ok.
Tex? and yes they will need oil pipes and equipmente for the oild fields in the Gaza.
2005-08-22 02:45 | User Profile
[url]http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=7022[/url]
August 20, 2005 Gaza Evacuation Should Be Americans' Last Straw by Charley Reese
As I watched the extensive, plainly sympathetic coverage of Jewish settlers being evicted from their Gaza homes, I couldn't help but take note once again of the striking double standard applied by American news media as well as the U.S. government.
I cannot recall any sympathetic coverage of Palestinians being evicted from their homes. No interviews with weeping mothers or fathers. No discussions of whether the evictions were right or wrong. This is obviously a deliberate policy on the part of America's television networks, for after all, they had 4,170 opportunities to report on Palestinian evictions since September 2000. That's how many homes were destroyed, and, of course, doesn't count the orchards and olive trees bulldozed by the Israeli army or Israeli settlers.
Of course, Palestinians were not evicted by sympathetic soldiers or promised huge amounts of money to relocate. No, they were brutally told to get out of their houses, which were then blown up or bulldozed into rubble by decidedly unsympathetic Israeli soldiers. What little they had was destroyed, and they were offered nothing except verbal abuse by the Israelis and invisibility by the American media.
One idealistic American girl who tried to stop an Israeli bulldozer from destroying a Palestinian home was crushed to death by the bulldozer. Naturally, the United States government did nothing, and the American media obediently either ignored her death or accepted the Israeli excuse that the driver couldn't see her, which is bull. She was killed in broad, sunny daylight while wearing a blaze-orange jacket and standing atop a pile of dirt.
As an American consumer of commercial news, you should protest. You are being denied the balanced coverage of this conflict that would allow you to form an intelligent opinion. You are, in effect, being fed Israeli propaganda, and if all you know is what you read in most newspapers and see on television, then you would surely think the Palestinians are a faceless mob of howling savages. Actually, they are among the most highly educated and industrious people in the Middle East. A considerable number of them are Christians.
I'm sure you are aware of the Israeli children who have been killed in this current intifada, which started Sept. 29, 2000. There were 122. But are you aware of the 686 Palestinian children who have died? About 1,000 Israeli adults have been killed, while 3,653 Palestinian adults have been killed. About 7,000 Israelis have been wounded; 29,014 Palestinians have been wounded. The Palestinians have nothing with which to resist the occupation of their land except rifles, pistols, homemade bombs and small rockets. Israel, of course, is ranked fifth in the world as a military power and has all the modern weaponry America can supply.
The West Bank and Gaza are not "disputed territory," which is the latest Israeli propaganda term adopted by the American lickspittle politicians. Under international law, the West Bank and Gaza are illegally occupied by the Israeli military. They were seized in 1967 in Israel's blitzkrieg war. The Palestinians, who even then had no government and no army, did not provoke the war.
The tragic truth is that the Palestinian majority that wants peace has not been allowed to have a functioning government and is therefore helpless to stop independent groups from carrying out attacks against the Israeli occupiers. The Palestinian Authority was denied the tools necessary to govern from the get-go.
I will say this about the Israelis: They have chutzpah. Evacuating a minuscule number of settlers from Palestinian land, they tell the Palestinians it is now up to them to live peacefully. Of course, Gaza will be a fenced-off prison. That's the equivalent of the Nazis telling the Poles after the German invasion that it was up to them to live peacefully if they didn't want to be murdered and imprisoned.
The illegal settlements in Gaza were put there despite America's opposition and in disregard of international law. Now, of course, the Israelis want the American taxpayers to pay $2.2 billion to correct their mistake made in defiance of U.S. policy. They expect us to pay for the transfer of the Israeli settlers.
If the U.S. government goes along with this outrageous request, that ought to be the last straw for every patriotic American.
2005-08-22 04:42 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050821/i/r4067683617.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Prime Minister Ariel Sharon speaks with soldiers taking part in the evacuation of Gaza's settlements at the temporary base in Ein Hashlosha August 21, 2005 [/font] NISSANIT, Gaza Strip - Israeli bulldozers tore down red-roofed villas and scattered debris across green lawns Sunday, virtually erasing Jewish settlements within a few hours and delivering a graphic message that Israelis will no longer live in the Gaza Strip.
The demolitions came as the army announced that 20 of the 21 Jewish settlements in Gaza had been emptied by Sunday evening.
In the West Bank, Israeli security forces skirmished with some of the thousands of ultranationalists defending two northern settlements amid fears they may use weapons when troops begin evicting residents, most likely Tuesday.
Dozens of settlers swarmed troops setting up a staging area near the Sanur settlement in the West Bank, slashing tires of military vehicles and exchanging blows with soldiers in a prelude to what could be the most difficult mission of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's "disengagement" plan.
Sharon denounced the violent resisters during a Cabinet meeting that approved the final phase of the pullout. He also accused settler leaders of exploiting the anguish of their people to push their political agenda, delivering his harshest criticism of his onetime friends and allies.
"The things they did were acts of hooliganism and in my opinion, borderline criminal," Sharon said of the protesters. "This doesn't just reflect on them but on those who sent them and incited them and directed them."
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[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050822/mdf35854.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (C) is escorted by bodyguards as he arrives for the weekly cabinet meeting in his office in Jerusalem August 21, 2005. Sharon spoke at the start of the weekly cabinet meeting in which ministers were expected to formally approve the final phase of the pullout, the evacuation starting on Tuesday of two of 120 settlements Israel has built in the occupied West Bank.[/font]
2005-08-22 05:25 | User Profile
But meanwhile more Palestinian lands are being taken in the West Bank and in Jerusalen with more settlements going up every day and NO ONE IS SAYING SH*T ABOUT IT in the US news media.
Like a good magician Sharon keeps pointing to what is doing with his left hand while his right is doing all the dirty tricks.
The American people must see the news from other parts of the world in order to see what is going on, the American news is controlled by the Jews and you will never know the truth here.......not only about Palestine but also about Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and other parts of the world.
2005-08-22 07:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]But meanwhile more Palestinian lands are being taken in the West Bank and in Jerusalen with more settlements going up every day and NO ONE IS SAYING SH*T ABOUT IT in the US news media.[/QUOTE]
Make sure you tell us all goodbye before you get on the plane to go join your brothers in the intifada, Ponce.
2005-08-22 09:15 | User Profile
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050821/capt.jrl15808211808.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl158.jpg[/img] An Israeli security officer in civilian clothes take a snapshot of a colleague holding an Israeli flag on top of a demolished house in the Jewish settlement of Peat Sadeh, southern Gaza Strip.
[img]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050821/capt.sge.awr38.210805215049.photo05.photo.default-380x251.jpg[/img] [font=Courier]An Israeli bulldozer demolishes a house in the Gush Katif settlement of Peat Sadeh. Israel was to evacuate its final Gaza settlement after a 38-year occupation of the territory as hundreds of soldiers flew to the West Bank to begin the next phase of the withdrawal.[/font]
2005-08-22 13:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Make sure you tell us all goodbye before you get on the plane to go join your brothers in the intifada, Ponce.[/QUOTE]
Well Tex as soon as the Palestinian open up their own airport I do intend in going to Palestine in order to open up a small broom factory, I want to start it with ten employees and see what happens.
The brooms will be for used right there in Palestine and if the Jews don't give me a hard time then also to the state of Israel, if everything works out and the Jews don't invade the Gaza again then I want to set it up for export outside the country.
By the way, once they get going on their own I'll be gone because I don't want any profit from this deal.
If you have read my old post you will see that I have allocated $40,000 for the factory and $5,000 to $10,000 for a statue of an eight year old Palestinian boy with a rock in his hand in honor of those kids killed by the Zionists.
I know that is not much but a bucket of water gets filled up with the first drop of water.
And don't worry "good" buddy I'll be sure to say ciao amici before I leave.
2005-08-22 16:37 | User Profile
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NETZARIM, Gaza Strip - The last Jewish settlers to be evacuated in the historic Gaza pullout boarded armored buses and left Monday Israel after a farewell march behind Torah scrolls and a massive menorah even as Prime Minister Sharon said he would expand large West Bank settlements.
The settlers left Netzarim in a caravan of buses with Israeli flags poking out of darkened bulletproof windows and private cars and trucks loaded with belongings. A settlement leader sat in the front of the first bus clutching a Torah. [IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050822/capt.jrl13708221406.mideast_israel_palestinians_settlements_jrl137.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier]Jewish settlers march carrying Israeli flags and a Jewish candelabra, or menorah from the synagogue at the Jewish settlement of Netzarim in the Gaza Strip, Monday Aug. 22, 2005. Once the convoy of armored buses carrying about 600 residents from Netzarim has rolled out of Gaza, Israel will have completed the removal of settlers from all 21 Gaza settlements.[/FONT] [IMG]http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050822/capt.jrl13608221401.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl136.jpg[/IMG]
2005-08-24 05:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce] The Zionist Khazards have NO RIGHTS to be in Palestine and for as long as they are there they will know no peace. [/QUOTE]World history proves you wrong. Might makes right, and the right of power is absolute, at least in the short term. Your moral objection is noted, fair enough, but you opened the comment with "that which is taken by the gun" and then say "they have no right."
You contradicted yourself. They made the right via might. Old school, really, same way most borders are drawn: with a sword.
Does that make them morally right? Well, there is a fine question for discussion, which will then tumble into biases and scared cows.
Did Spain have the right to take over New Spain, now Mexico? They made the right. Did Bolivar have a right to start a revolution? Who gives a flying f***, he did, and by might of arms, he prevailed.
Might makes the right. And as you so correctly note, someone else may soon use might to change what is "right" in that piece of the world.
Meanwhile, the Vietnamese have to worry about Chinese might and the Spratley Islands.
Who has the RIGHT to that, Ponce, and who are you to judge? Put another way,
Who died and made you Caliph of the world? Five times to Mecca, each day. Don't forget, or no virgins for you.
AE
2005-09-14 14:47 | User Profile
[img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050913/050913_gazasettlers_hmed.hmedium.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New]A group of teens from the Nezer Hazani settlement in Gaza hang out in a make-shift camp in a Tel Aviv park in late August.[/font]
As the world now focuses on the Palestinians and their efforts to build Gaza into a self-governing territory, the pain of the disengagement is still fresh for those forced to leave their homes. A month after evacuating their communities, former settlers are only now beginning to rebuild their lives and accept that they will never return to the villages where some of them lived for 30 years.
ââ¬ÅWe are coming back to the world,ââ¬Â said Gadon from temporary accommodation, a two-room apartment she has moved into along with her mother and siblings in Kibbutz Ein Tzurim in southern Israel.
Disbelief that the government would actually go through with the plan kept many of the families from making alternate living arrangements in the months before the pullout, including Gadon and several family members, who spent 12 days in a roadside camp near Tel Aviv before moving to the kibbutz.
In preparation for the pullout, the Disengagement Authority built 600 caravillas, a combination of trailer and villa meant to house the former settlers during their transition to permanent homes. It also reserved guest houses, hotels and apartments around the country to accommodate the newly homeless. In addition, compensation packages were offered to all displaced settlers, though there are still 1,500 families who have not yet started the process of compensation, according to Gal Alon, a spokesman for the Disengagement Authority.
[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9325748/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9325748/[/url]
2005-09-14 17:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE] As the world now focuses on the Palestinians and their efforts to build Gaza into a self-governing territory, the pain of the disengagement is still fresh for those forced to leave their homes. A month after evacuating their communities, former settlers are only now beginning to rebuild their lives and accept that they will never return to the villages where some of them lived for 30 years.[/QUOTE] Not to worry. As soon as this is forgotten, Congress will find a way to sneak the $2.2 bil to them. Then, everything will be all right.