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Thread ID: 19582 | Posts: 10 | Started: 2005-08-12
2005-08-12 02:00 | User Profile
[I]This Luciferian Yezidi sect inhabits an area near the site of ancient Babylon - that ancient mother-lode of occultism and source of other demon-worshipping sects such as Mandaeans and Manicheans.
Babylonia also happened to be the home of the most prestigious Talmudic academies, Sura and Pumbeditha... [/I]
[url]http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1752074,00.html[/url]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=5]Iraqi MP defends Lucifer[/SIZE]
10/08/2005 17:55 - (SA)
Baghdad - The devil looked in on Iraq's parliament on Wednesday when a member of parliament upbraided Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari for speaking ill of Lucifer.
[B]Kameran Khairi Said, a Kurdish MP and a member of the minority Yezidi community that worshipped the peacock angel, also known as Lucifer, angrily interrupted the prime minister during a parliamentary debate.
"Mr Prime Minister and ministers, my speaking out might seem strange to you, but we feel insulted when you repeatedly use the expression in your speeches and statements 'God protects us from the devil'.[/B]
"Each time the word is pronounced, my colleagues turn towards me as if I were a representative of the devil."
Tomb 'the Yezidis' holiest shrine'
[B]Yezidis followed a pre-Islamic religion, which some believed was founded in the 12th century by Sheikh Uday bin Masafel al-Amawi, although many scholars traced its origins to the Zoroastrian religion of ancient Persia.[/B]
Sheikh Uday was born in Damascus, but died in the town of Lalish, in northern Iraq, where his tomb had became the Yezidis' holiest shrine.
The community was still largely based in the foothills, north of Iraq's main northern city of Mosul, and in the Sinjar Mountains on the border with Syria.
But, followers of the faith could be found throughout the Kurdish diaspora, in neighbouring Syria and Turkey as well as the former Soviet republics of the Caucasus, or in Germany and Britain.
Position of authority
Said said: "There are 600 000 to 700 000 Kurdish yezidis and they feel insulted whenever you use that phrase and we call on all those in a position of authority to take account of this."
[B]The Yezidis did not believe in heaven or hell, and did not regard Satan as evil. In fact, they worshipped him - but dare not say his name.[/B]
Three of Iraq's 275 MPs belonged to the sect whose members did not marry outside the faith. There were also two Yezidis in the 111-seat regional Kurdish parliament.
Jaafari said he meant no harm in using the expression, common among Muslims.
He said: "When we use this expression it is not to insult you or to provoke a minority.
"Even if religions are different, all agree on the need to respect one another, especially in this forum where respect for others is essential. But one must also respect the majority and the majority is Muslim." [/FONT]
[I] Related article:[/I]
[url]http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1709291,00.html[/url]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=5] 'Devil-worshippers' want rights[/SIZE]
23/05/2005 11:33 - (SA)
Shaikhan - At a mountainside temple in the heart of Iraqi Kurdistan, pilgrims from the minority Yezidi community come to worship the peacock angel, also known as Lucifer.
As Iraq moves toward a new post-Saddam Hussein political order, the Yezidis, long regarded by Muslims as "devil-worshippers", are seizing on this key moment in history to enshrine their community's rights in a new constitution.
"Discrimination against the Yezidis must end, and our political and religious rights must be recognised in the constitution," said the faith's hereditary leader Mil (Prince) Hazem Tahsin Said.
"As Kurds and as Yezidis, we were doubly victimised by Saddam Hussein," says the 40-year-old chief, who doubles as tribal and religious leader to his people.
The ousted president's Sunni Arab-dominated regime killed tens of thousands of Kurds, including Yezidis, during the Anfal campaign in the late 1980s.
Saddam's regime persecuted the Kurds because of their desire to preserve their ethnic identity and the Yezidis even more so because they were also viewed as heathens.
Yezidis follow a pre-Islamic religion, which some believe was founded in the 12th century by Sheikh Uday bin Masafel al-Amawi, although many scholars trace its origins to the Zoroastrian religion of ancient Persia.
Sheikh Uday was born in Damascus but died in the town of Lalish, just 12 kilometres from Shaikhan, where his tomb has become the Yezidis' holiest shrine.
The Yezidis ââ¬â a 100 000-strong faith ââ¬â do not believe in heaven or hell, and do not regard Satan as evil. In fact, they worship him.
[B]"Please excuse me, but I cannot say this word (devil) out loud because it is sacred. It's the chief of angels," said Mil Hazem.
"We believe in Allah (God) and in (the chief of angels)," he explained.[/B]
Unlike Muslims, Yezidis can eat pork. On the other hand, they are prohibited from eating lettuce or from wearing the colour blue.
[B]Fierce guardians of their traditions, Yezidis do not permit outsiders to convert to their religion. [/B] [B]The faith has six distinct levels of initiation ââ¬â princes, sheikhs, senators, seers, ascetics and the community of the faithful, which comprises about 70% of the Yezidi population.[/B]
[B]Marriage across classes is forbidden.[/B]
Now, Yezidis count three members of the Iraqi parliament, all of them elected as part of the Kurdish alliance which came second in landmark elections in January, as well as two members of the Kurdish regional parliament in Arbil.
The community's lot had already improved since the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf war, when Kurdish rebels established an autonomous administration in three northern provinces, including the Yezidi centres of Lalish and Shaikhan.
But according to the head of security at the Lalish temple, Yezidis don't want to risk being oppressed again. [/FONT]
2005-08-12 02:05 | User Profile
[font=Arial]The big difference between a Yezidi and Mohammedan is this:
A Yezidi is honest enough to admit that he worships the Devil.
Don't get me wrong; both are enemies, but the Mohammedan is far more dangerous. [/font]
2005-08-12 02:21 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - " Don't get me wrong; both are enemies, but the Mohammedan is far more dangerous. "[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Yes, Satan is definitely at his most dangerous when masquerades as an angel of light, [I]which is what he literally did[/I] when he appeared to Muhammed as "angel Gabriel".
Here you can read [B]from Muslim sources[/B] how Muhammed [B]himself[/B] thought that he had been possessed by devil and how it made him suicidal:
[url]http://answering-islam.org/Silas/suicide.htm[/url] [COLOR=Blue] [FONT=Georgia] "[B]But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home[/B]. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).
[I]Quoted from the Sahih (authentic) Hadith (traditions) of Bukhari, [2], Volume 9, number 111.[/I]
Here are additional details from Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah" from Guillaume's translation, "The Life of Muhammad", [3], page 106. Words in [ ] type brackets are mine. Words in ( ) brackets are the author's.
"So I [Muhammad] read it, and he [Gabriel] departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. (Tabari: Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. [B]I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest[/B]. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying "O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel."
END OF QUOTE
The "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir", (Book of the Major Classes), by Ibn Sa'd, translated by S. Moinal Haq, [4], page 225 has Muhammad saying:
[B]"O Khadija, I see light and hear sounds and I fear I am mad".[/B]
The visitations from the spirit continued. Then they stopped for a time believed to have been from 6 months to 3 years. When this happened, Tabari, [5], volume 6 page 76, records:
"The inspiration ceased to come to the messenger of God for a while, and he was deeply grieved. He began to go to the tops of mountain crags, in order to fling himself from them; but every time he reached the summit of a mountain, Gabriel appeared to him and said to him, "You are the Prophet of God." Thereupon his anxiety would subside and he would come back to himself."
Also, from Tabari Vol. 9, page 167, note 1151 says:
[B]"The pre-Islamic Arabs believed in the demon of poetry, and they thought that a great poet was directly inspired by demons...."[/B]
This explains why Muhammad thought he was demon possessed, or influenced by demons; the Quran in many places reads like typical Arabic poetry. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Here you can read more about the vague nature of this mysterious Islamic "Gabriel":
[SIZE=4][COLOR=Indigo]"Is Gabriel really an angel?"[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[url]http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Incoherence/gabriel.html[/url]
2005-08-12 02:36 | User Profile
I keep hoping Lucifer will appear to me and offer me lots of money and hot women in return for my soul, but I guess my soul isn't worth enough to him. Either that or he figures he has it anyway. :lol:
2005-08-12 02:59 | User Profile
[url]http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_yezidism.htm[/url]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=5]Basic teachings and Beliefs of Yezidism: [/SIZE] Yezidi beliefs are a complicated mixture of Islamic and Zoroastrian beliefs, with Gnostic, Jewish, and Shamanistic elements. Worship centers around Angels (Malek is from the Arabic word for 'angel'), the most important of which is named Melek Taus, or the "Peacock Angel," also known as Lucifer. Lucifer plays a different role in Yezidism, where he is considered the chief Archangel, and the creator of the material world. [B]In Yezidi belief, Lucifer is not a fallen angel, or the enemy of God. In Yezidi cosmology, the universal Spirit (the Supreme deity) created a pearl, which became broken after a period of forty thousand years. Melek, or Lucifer, used the remains of the pearl to create the material world.[/B] After this creation, the Spirit created the remaining Angels. [B]Yezidi theology claims that Lucifer was forgiven for his transgressions, and those who revere him are the spiritual elect of humanity. [/B]They are forbidden from referring to him as Satan.
The Yezidi believe that time is divided into six Epochs, and each Epoch has an Avatar, or Archangel. During the first Epoch, the material world and humankind were created. [B]The Yezidi story of the creation of man follows the Judeo-Christian Adam and Eve, except that Satan is portrayed as a wise teacher rather than a temptor[/B].[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
2005-08-12 03:01 | User Profile
Revelation 9:14-16 Saying to the sixth messenger who had the trumpet, `Loose the four messengers who are bound at the great river Euphrates;'
and loosed were the four messengers, who have been made ready for the hour, and day, and month, and year, that they may kill the third of men;
and the number of the forces of the horsemen is two myriads of myriads, and I heard the number of them.
These "angels" are fallen, and demons which cause havoc on the earth.
2005-08-12 03:21 | User Profile
I though the Jews were the only ones that worshiped the devil, oh well, learn something new every day .
2005-08-12 03:58 | User Profile
Petr found another windmill to fight.
2005-08-12 04:05 | User Profile
madrussian made another pointless one-line comment.
Petr
2005-08-12 09:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]madrussian made another pointless one-line comment.
Petr[/QUOTE] Maybe you need sensitivity training from the ADL so you can have more respect for anti-Christs like mad"russian". /sarcasm :caiphas: