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albion [OP]

2005-08-11 18:42 | User Profile

"My son died for Israel" - Says Marine's mom

[center][size=3]Why die for Israel? [/size]

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American Jews don't serve - They sit it out in the Universities[/center]

Cindy Sheehan blames the Jews and Israel for Iraq. Everyone laughed at her until she said Marines are dying for Israel, then everyone panicked. Here is part of her email.

Here is her statement

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry?

[color=red]Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel.My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.[/color]

Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.

[url="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/bullyard/msg/7f523b1a73be1a36?hl=en"][color=#cc0000]Sheehan complete statement[/color][/url]

xmetalhead

2005-08-11 18:48 | User Profile

GO CINDY SHEEHAN, GOOOOOO!

OPERA96

2005-08-11 19:03 | User Profile

God Bless Her! Unfortunately, the chances that this will be presented in a fair manner in the national media are about slim to none. In the unlikely case that it does actually hit the air waves, Mrs. Sheehan will be thoroughly denounced as a grieving woman driven to hysteria by the loss of her son who died valiantly fighting against "weapons of mass destruction" and terrorists who hate us because we let women vote. (That last one was on O'Reilly last night) The whole matter will then be summarilly dropped in favor of discussion on why we must save the world by going to war with Iran, who (just coincidentally, you understand) is also a threat to israel.

Walter Yannis

2005-08-11 19:13 | User Profile

Wow.

God bless this woman.

il ragno

2005-08-11 19:23 | User Profile

Post the WHOLE message:

[QUOTE] [I]That was my son's unit. He was killed on that day 04/04/04. Here is a letter that I wrote to NightLine about the broadcast: Love,

Cindy Sheehan [/I]

March 15, 2005

To Whom it May Concern:

    Imagine my distress when I turned Night Line on last night and I was confronted with the gory details of my son's murder in Sadr City, Baghdad, Iraq on 04/04/04. Imagine, also, my sorrow and rage at the side of the story that you presented to the American public.

I was on the Night Line Townhall Meeting in Washington, DC on 01/27/05. After I spoke (which I think was a fluke), Ted Koppel dismissed me as being "emotional." First of all, how can I approach this discussion without emotions, MY SON WAS KILLED, AND KILLED FOR LIES? Second of all, that show was not fair and balanced and I think the conclusion "Should we stay" was foregone.

The show last night was also not fair and balanced. To see all the wives being interviewed who had not lost their husbands and to hear what "hard work" it is to be left behind when their husbands are at war. How hard to you think it is to have a child killed in an illegal and immoral war? In this "wonderful" group of families left behind, we had exactly ONE of the wives call us..she is Diane Rose who was my son's Colonel, Frank Rose's wife. The last time we heard from Diane was in October and we feel we have been left behind by anyone connected to the 2-5 Cavalry. Is support only given if your loved one stays alive? One wife was quoted as saying that Sundays were the hardest for the families left behind. My son was killed on Palm Sunday last year..how does anybody think Sundays are for my family?

A distraught father who lost his son was shown telling how much his life was so adversely affected. Why wasn't a mother (like me) who has been an outspoken critic of this war and of the President's policies interviewed for this piece? Why wasn't I given a chance to talk about 04/04/04 and the series of lies, mistakes and miscalculations that led to my precious oldest child's death??

General Chiarelli was quoted as saying that 04/04/04 was a "wake up" call to the 2-5 Cavalry. If he thinks it was a "wake up" call, let me tell you how having 3 Army officers come to my door on 04/04/04 and tell me that my darling son was KIA. I have learned so many details of that day and of my son's experience in Iraq.

The very first thing that went wrong happened in November at Ft Irwin, California...the 2-5 Cavalry went for desert training. They received open desert warfare training and my son was killed in an urban guerilla attack, which he hadn't been trained for. Also, he was wearing an inadequate helmet and a Vietnam era flak jacket. Casey was stationed in a very dangerous place, like the General said: FOB War Eagle. I have subsequently learned that the soldiers of the 2-5 Cav who were stationed outside of Baghdad had Kevlar body armor. I have also found out that Casey slept in the back of his Humvee for the last 2 weeks of his life because there wasn't any room on post for him to have a cot. How tired and overworked was he before he went into that battle on 04/04/04?

In addition, my son was killed after L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shi'a by taking away their tv station and newspapers. The Abu Ghraib scandal was about to break in America...but it was well known by the Iraqi people that their citizens were being tortured and defiled in the prisons. My son was a sitting duck by the time 04/04/04 rolled around.

The very worst thing of all, is that my son was sent to rescue some fellow soldiers trapped in an ambush in the back of a LMTV..which is basically an open air trailer. It would be the equivalent of driving through Dallas on 11/22/63 in a Convertible. The troops stationed at FOB War Eagle were sent ahead of their tanks and Bradleys!!! They had to go into battle in the back of LMTV's and non-armored Humvees. This is just proof to me that our troops are as important to their leaders as bullets are. It is a small miracle that only 7 of them were killed in the ambush. Luckily for the rest of the moms, it was dark. After my son's murder, there was an article in Stars and Stripes that quoted one of Casey's superior officers as saying. "04 April taught us a lesson. We won't send soldiers to battle without their armor any more." How do you think that made me feel? It was like "OOOPS, your dear son was killed. Life happens. Oh well, you live and learn." The General was also quoted as saying that the insurgency "surprised" them. Why? Has there ever been an invasion/occupation of a sovereign country that hasn't been resisted? Anyone with half a brain and an even rudimentary understanding of history would know that all occupations are resisted. The Pentagon and the Army brass did not plan adequately for an occupation.

Then Gen. Chiarelli said the thing that upset me the most. He said that the loss of life was terrible, but at least Iraqis had elections on 01/30/05. With the continuuing insurgency and with Iraqis and Americans losing their lives everyday there, how can he be proud of that? I may remind you and the General, that Iraqi elections was not the reason that our President and his Neo-Con war mongers invaded Iraq with our precious human resources. I will give the two reasons given for the invaseion here: Saddam had WMD's and he was an imminent threat to America. Saddam could have WMD's on our shores within 45 minutes. Condoleeza Rice used fear as a factor when she said: Don't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud. Rumsfeld and Colin Powell pointed out to us where the weapons were on a map.

The second reason that America was given before the invasion was that Saddam was the biggest sponsor of world terrorism and he supported Osama Bin Laden! Oh really??? The hijackers were predominantly Saudi Arabian as was Osama (who is still at large, by the way). The theory that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 was disproven by the 9/11 commission's report. A huge factor in Americans believing all this bull is that our media..the Fourth Estate didn't do any research and expose the lies for what they were: justifications for invading a country that posed no imminent or long-term threat to America.

One reason that the President DID NOT give for the invasion and occupation of Iraq was so that Iraqis could have elections. As a matter of fact, that was Ayatollah Ali al Sistani's idea..not Bush's. If the president in his lying and betraying in the lead up and rush to this insane invasion had told the world that we were going over there to give Iraqi's elections, would we the people have gone along with the invasion? Would we as compassionate Americans have thought that it would have been worth billions and billions of dollars; hundreds of our amazing children dead; tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi women and children dead: a country lying in ruins? I don't think so. I certainly didn't raise my son to be an outstanding citizen of the world to go and die so some people could have ink-stained fingers!!! If anyone reading this has children, would you think it was worth it?? Instead of some Congress leaders showing ink-stained fingers at the SOTU address they should have held up blood soaked hands.

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.

It would be so amazing if your show would put me, or another parent who lost their child on who disagrees with the war and this administration: to have just an entire show..without presenting the false side of the debate. That would take a lot of courage and integrity. I hope your program will exhibit these qualities.

I also think that Mr. Koppel owes me an apology for the rude way I was treated on his show. After I expressed myself about the war being based on lies and that the troops should be brought home immediately because the war was based on lies, I was not thanked for my comments, or my son's sacrifice. He just said to keep the discussion away from emotions. Then, the wife of a soldier who was killed was allowed to speak and she praised the policies of this deplorable and despicable administration, and she was thanked and praised by the panel.

Also, another aspect that Mr. Koppel refused to acknowledge was when a man walked up to a microphone and asked Richard Perle to explain PNAC..he was rudely ignored.

I am so glad the First Cavalry came home from this senseless and needless war based on the imaginations of Neo-Cons and fought with ignorance and arrogance by the Commander in Chief and the Pentagon. I am thrilled for the mothers whose children didn't come home under the cover of darkness in flag-draped boxes like my son did. I am sure that some of Casey's buddies were able to walk off the plane because of his sacrifice. I am just so deeply sorry that my son's blood had to be their leaders' lesson in how to occupy a country and fight an insurgency. My son is dead forever and my joy has been robbed from me for the rest of my life.

Your show needs to show both sides of this debate and stop being a propanda tool for this administration. This is my challenge to you from a true patriot who wants the lies exposed.

Love and Peace!!! Cindy Sheehan Mother of Hero: Spc Casey Austin Sheehan KIA 04/04/04 Casey's Peace Page Co-Founder of Gold Star Families For Peace [url]http://www.gsfp.org/[/url] [/QUOTE]

In order to even VIEW this message you are first confronted with this 'warning' Google posts before allowing you to continue:

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The page that you are about to view may contain adult content. In order to continue, you must read our terms for adult content and confirm that you are over 18 years of age.

*I do not wish to view this page.

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Think about that.

The mainstream media won't tell you how many people are actually dying over there, just Americans. Then they [B]refuse [/B] to show you any coffins, or maimed, or wounded, since that might somehow put a human face, of pointless abject suffering, on those faceless, soulless, cut-and-dried FOX News Scoreboard tallies in the first place. You need special Pentagon clearance even to salute the returning dead, let alone place a wreath on their coffins. And [I]even Google finds it 'necessary' [/I] to scare off anyone potentially thinking of enlisting from seeing the distraught plea of the mother of one of those now-voided 'numbers'.

12-year-olds can access all the rap and porn they like, but Cindy Sheehan's message to her fellow citizens gets treated like it's a bestiality mpeg....[I]they practically recommend you don a decontamination suit before proceeding![/I]

Tell me again how there's no such thing as ZOG. Please - convulse me.

Walter Yannis

2005-08-11 19:34 | User Profile

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Walter Yannis

2005-08-11 19:35 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]In order to even VIEW this message you are first confronted with this 'warning' Google posts before allowing you to continue:

Think about that. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was really taken aback by that.

Jewish control of the information flows is almost total.

Creepy.

Sertorius

2005-08-11 19:46 | User Profile

That was well written and to the point. I wish that both times I have heard her on the radio she had spoken in this way. She didn't come off well in the interviews and unfortunately, has given her enemies grounds for criticism. "Liberal" talk radio has been having a field day with this story. Now that this is out I wonder how long it will be for this to be quietly dropped by them?

xmetalhead

2005-08-11 19:54 | User Profile

One of the douche bag freepers asks "What is PNAC?" No one's responded to the question yet.

That says it all, folks, that says it all.

Sertorius

2005-08-11 19:55 | User Profile

To: Sam Hill "You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," she exclaimed."

Ya she she could be antisemitic? 11 posted on 08/11/2005 12:25:26 PM PDT by conservativecorner (It's a cult of death and submission to fanatics Larry!!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Yep, let's roll with the smears...

To: Sam Hill

She has all of the Code Pink talking points down pat. "None of our wars have been for a good cause" "Neocons" "Rumsfeld" "Oil" "Make friends rich" "Israel" "Hitler"

By the way, what is PNAC?

14 posted on 08/11/2005 12:29:29 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

I can readily believe the question about PNAC is real. One thing for sure, this person won't have it answer on Zionist "Republic.

What a collection of a$$holes. I sincerely hope something bad happens to all these flag waving, tub thumping "patriots".

Walter Yannis

2005-08-11 20:04 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]What a collection of a$$holes. I sincerely hope something bad happens to all these flag waving, tub thumping "patriots".[/QUOTE]

The worst thing that could happen to them is that Shrub will give them what they want.

War on Iran and Syria, and a draft to bring it all back home to them, nice and personal like.

Feel the burn, baby.

confederate_commando

2005-08-11 20:33 | User Profile

what is PNAC?

Aulë

2005-08-11 20:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=confederate_commando]what is PNAC?[/QUOTE] An outline of the necon agenda in the twenty-first century.

[url="http://www.newamericancentury.org/"]http://www.newamericancentury.org/[/url]

albion

2005-08-11 20:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=confederate_commando]what is PNAC?[/QUOTE][size=-1]An educational organization supporting American global military, diplomatic, and moral leadership. [url="http://www.newamericancentury.org/"]http://[color=#008000]www.newamericancentury.org/[/url][/color][/size]

The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington-based think tank created in 1997. Above all else, PNAC desires and demands one thing: The establishment of a global American empire to bend the will of all nations. They chafe at the idea that the United States, the last remaining superpower, does not do more by way of economic and military force to bring the rest of the world under the umbrella of a new socio-economic Pax Americana.

The fundamental essence of PNAC's ideology can be found in a White Paper produced in September of 2000 entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." In it, PNAC outlines what is required of America to create the global empire they envision. [url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm[/url]

The PNAC is quite controversial. Some have raised concerns that the project has been proposing military and economic domination of land, space, and cyberspace by the United States, so as to establish American dominance in world affairs ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Americana"][color=#0000ff]Pax Americana[/color][/url]) for the future—hence the term "the New American Century", based on the idea that the 20th century was the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Century"][color=#0000ff]American Century[/color][/url]. Some analysts argue that the U.S. war against Iraq, commenced in March of 2003 under the code name [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom"][color=#0000ff]Operation Iraqi Freedom[/color][/url], is the first major step toward implementing these objectives. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century[/url]

[url="http://www.pnac.info/"][color=#551a8b]PNAC.info - Exposing the Project for the New American Century[/color][/url]

confederate_commando

2005-08-11 20:48 | User Profile

ah, chaired by neo-trotskyite Billy Kristol...

thanks!

confederate_commando

2005-08-11 21:31 | User Profile

A MOTHER'S VIGIL Vacaville woman whose son was killed in Iraq attracts attention nationwide with her protest down the road from president's ranch Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer

Crawford, Texas -- In a triangular patch of Texas grass a few miles down a one-lane road from President Bush's ranch, Vacaville resident Cindy Sheehan is bringing a new tone to anti-war activism with her demand to talk with the president.

No more than 75 visitors made the trek Wednesday to visit the spot the size of a baseball diamond where Sheehan, whose son Casey, 24, died in Iraq last year, has been camped out in a tent since Saturday.

But numbers don't tell the story. The pilgrims flocking to see her, some driving hundreds of miles after hearing one of the 200 interviews she has conducted this week, are different from the usual suspects who have been protesting the Iraq war for more than two years.

There's Rick Green, a 28-year-old trucker from Moody, Texas, who isn't sure about the war but lost his 13-year-old boy last year. There's Jonathan Read, a retired hotel executive from Arizona who ditched three days of golf to come here, donated $4,000 and then offered to pick up all of Sheehan's meals. There's Tiffany Strause, a 29-year-old computer consultant who arrived Tuesday from San Diego because it was time to "do something."

Unlike the bullhorn-wielding activists marching down Market Street in San Francisco or the armchair activists on MoveOn.org, Sheehan is connecting with many Americans on the most human level.

She's a grieving parent waiting for the leader of the free world to explain why he says her son died a "noble death."

Many who come to her vigil just want to hug the 6-foot-tall suburbanite, who wears a floppy hat and lily-white tennis shoes and has "Casey '79-'04" tattooed on her left ankle.

Sheehan is using a well-worn Michael Moore shtick, in which the filmmaker best-known for "Fahrenheit 9/11" camps out in the lobby of a corporation, refusing to leave before he talks with someone who can make a difference.

Except she is doing it live and unscripted. And nobody -- not even the activist group scheduling her interviews at precise 15-minute intervals -- knows what's going to happen next.

And, while Moore can be dismissed as an entertainer, Sheehan is mourning a child killed in combat.

"She's unassailable," said Read, the retired hotel CEO.

Sheehan's questions for Bush are few: In addition to exactly what cause her son died for, she asks, "What is so noble about an illegal war of aggression?" And she wants to know whether the president is encouraging his daughters to enlist and take the place of someone pulling a second tour in the Middle East.

A top Bush aide came out to speak to her, but she wants to talk to the big guy.

"Stop using my son's death as justification for this war," she said in an interview.

"When I heard her on TV the other day, it was literally a physical response: I got chills," said Strause, an Oakland native who lives in suburban San Diego.

Ducking occasionally into her rental car to respond to work questions on her Blackberry, Strause said she hurried to be here because the war finally touched her.

"There comes a point where everybody has had enough," she said. "You turn a corner. And this was it for me. It's like, what can I do now?"

Sheehan is well-known among activists, having spent nearly three weeks of each month on the road speaking publicly and testifying before Congress on behalf of Gold Star Families for Peace, a group she started. But this is the first time much of conservative America is hearing her.

Several people came because they identify with Sheehan more generally.

"I'm not even sure I have an opinion on the war yet, but I know what it's like to lose a child," said Green, the truck driver, who had never been to a protest and wore a cap with a Confederate flag. His boy died unexpectedly in March after his thyroid gland collapsed. "All I wanted to do was come here and listen and offer my condolences to her."

Casey Keller, 61, drove here from the Rocky Mountain town of Fairplay, Colo., "just to hug her and thank her."

Helen Dement, who lost her 41-year-old daughter to a heart attack, gave Sheehan two yellow roses and hugged her. She felt a connection because the daughter was born on Travis Air Force Base near Fairfield.

"The reason that people are listening to her is that she's not a rebel," said Dement, a 66-year-old grandmother. "She's not a loud, obnoxious person."

Sheehan's Crawford vigil bloomed spontaneously when she spoke at a national convention of Veterans for Peace in Dallas on Friday. She said she was offended by Bush saying that the soldiers recently killed in Ohio had died for a noble cause.

"So she said, 'I think I'm going to Crawford to ask the president what he means by that,' " said Ann Wright, a retired Army Reserve colonel who resigned from the U.S. diplomatic corps in March 2003 to protest what she called the "immoral" war. "So then she says, 'So who's going to take me to Crawford?' And we all started raising our hands."

Grieving for a child isn't giving her a free pass, however.

"Creating the display she and her California friends are staging in Crawford begs the question," wrote one reader of the Dallas Morning News in a letter published Tuesday. "Who is guilty of using Casey's heroic name to further a political agenda?"

Radio talk show host Tony Snow pressed Sheehan during an appearance Tuesday about a Drudge Report item alleging she changed her tune about her first meeting with Bush nine weeks after her son died. The editor of the Vacaville Reporter newspaper discredited the item Wednesday, noting it had taken a quote of Sheehan's out of context.

"I don't mind answering direct questions," Sheehan said Wednesday. "But I do mind when some of these people like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity try to assassinate my character (by using the Drudge Report item).

O'Reilly, who one of Sheehan's handlers said has been trying for a couple days to land her on his show, has charged that Sheehan is "being used."

Bill Plante, the veteran CBS News White House correspondent, said Bush has never been asked by any of the Washington reporters in town if he plans to speak with Sheehan. A designated pool reporter for today's brief media session with Bush, Plante said, "I just may ask Thursday."

As the story has gotten legs, some of the usual suspects are headed here. Liberal stalwarts like actor Ed Asner and Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, are said to be coming. Actor Richard Pryor sent a note of encouragement. Arlington West, a collection of crosses representing the dead from the war, is scheduled to arrive from California.

And San Francisco residents who have held a weekly vigil at the Federal Building on Golden Gate Avenue for more than three years plan to include a demonstration in support of Sheehan at noon today.

Last week, the Crawford Peace House, the local antiwar outpost, had only $3 in its kitty. Now, it is being flooded with donations.

"I knew it was going to be a standoff, but I didn't know it was going to be this," Sheehan said.

And what if Bush doesn't meet with her?

Sheehan smiled and tugged on her floppy hat. "It's already been highly successful," she said.

E-mail Joe Garofoli at [email]jgarofoli@sfchronicle.com[/email].

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/08/11/MNGVCE66GJ1.DTL[/url]

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-08-11 21:51 | User Profile

[QUOTE=albion]"My son died for Israel" - Says Marine's mom

[center][size=3]Why die for Israel? [/size]

[img]http://judicial-inc.biz/pics/Pag_9_84.jpg[/img]

American Jews don't serve - They sit it out in the Universities [/center]

Cindy Sheehan blames the Jews and Israel for Iraq. Everyone laughed at her until she said Marines are dying for Israel, then everyone panicked. Here is part of her email.

Here is her statement

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry?

[color=red]Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel.My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.[/color]

Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse.

[url="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/bullyard/msg/7f523b1a73be1a36?hl=en"][color=#cc0000]Sheehan complete statement[/color][/url][/QUOTE] Bush as much as addmitted to journalists today the validity of the Cindy Sheehan's comments.

I wonder if Bush's jew handlers were asleep or hung over when Bush made the comments about understanding Cindy Sheehan's comments. :hitler:

Ponce

2005-08-11 23:23 | User Profile

Like I wrote a while back, this country needs a focus point in order to unite the American people, like Herr Hitler did for the German people, and it looks to me that this lady will be the focus point.

I really didn't know who it was going to be and I was expecting for it to be a big shot politician because the clout that they already have.....but who cares, what counts is the one with the biggest one and it look to me that hers are bigger than any man in the US government.

il ragno

2005-08-11 23:37 | User Profile

You can count on Our Bellicose Chickenhawks - from Limbaugh to Horowitz to Kristol and back - to set upon the happy task of smearing this woman as everything from a Stalinist dupe of the anti-Semitic left to an anti-Semitic dupe of the Stalinist left.

And when they begin to compete with each other lionizing Casey Sheehan's great sacrifice, you'll know they're getting ready to torpedo the mother with her own dead son. ("...if only Mrs Sheehan had the steadiness of resolve and love of country that Casey had...", etc)

Angler

2005-08-12 01:36 | User Profile

This could be it, folks! If Mrs. Sheehan can bring Israeli control of US foreign policy into the national spotlight, then her son will not have died in vain. I'm behind her 150%.

albion

2005-08-12 10:38 | User Profile

[font=Times New Roman][size=+2][color=#990000]May You Prevail, Where Others Have Failed[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=4][color=#000000]By RALPH NADER[/color][/size][/font]

[url="http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08112005.html"]http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08112005.html[/url]

[font=Verdana][size=-1]Perhaps the breakthrough will begin this hot August in Crawford, Texas, with the devastating loss of a beloved child transformed into a mission for the soul of our country. This rogue regime, led by two draft-dodgers and officially counseled by similar pro-war evaders during the Vietnam War, is not "our country." Millions of Americans, including military and public servants in his Administration, and many in the retired military, diplomatic and intelligence services, opposed this war, still oppose it and do not equate George W. Bush and Dick Cheney with the United States of America.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=-1]Our flag stands for "liberty and justice for all." Our flag must never be misused or defiled as a bandanna for war crimes, as a gag against the people's freedom of speech and conscience or as a fig leaf to hide the shame of charlatans in high public office, who violate our Constitution, our laws and our founding fathers' framework for accountable, responsive government.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=-1]You will be goaded to cross the semantic line against a President who himself has crossed the much graver constitutional line that has cost so many lives on both sides and continues to cost and cost our country in so many ways domestically and before the world. Neglecting America for the Iraq war has become the widening downward path trod by the Bush government.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=-1]Authenticity, bereft of contrivances, is what must confront this White House Misleader. And authenticity is what you are and what drives you as you demand to see this resistant President. He is on an intermittent month long vacation, with spells for fundraisers and other insulated events. His schedule provides ample time for such a meeting. You reflect the hopes and prayers of millions of like-minded Americans. [/size][/font]

[url="http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08112005.html"]http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08112005.html[/url]

OttoR

2005-08-12 22:02 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]You can count on Our Bellicose Chickenhawks - from Limbaugh to Horowitz to Kristol and back - to set upon the happy task of smearing this woman as everything from a Stalinist dupe of the anti-Semitic left to an anti-Semitic dupe of the Stalinist left.

And when they begin to compete with each other lionizing Casey Sheehan's great sacrifice, you'll know they're getting ready to torpedo the mother with her own dead son. ("...if only Mrs Sheehan had the steadiness of resolve and love of country that Casey had...", etc)[/QUOTE] Can we even prove that she actually made these comments? It looks like a setup, I can't find any sources for this other than VNN and Pro-White websites which WANT to believe that she said that. The only other sources are sites like this: [url="http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/08/cindy-sheehans-true-mindset-emerges.html"]http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/08/cindy-sheehans-true-mindset-emerges.html[/url]

The motive of those Right Wing sites is to label her "Anti-Semitic" and thus dismiss a bothersome issue for Bush.

Could the whole thing be a NeoCon setup to destroy the Anti-War movement?

OttoR

2005-08-12 22:05 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]That was well written and to the point. I wish that both times I have heard her on the radio she had spoken in this way. She didn't come off well in the interviews and unfortunately, has given her enemies grounds for criticism. "Liberal" talk radio has been having a field day with this story. Now that this is out I wonder how long it will be for this to be quietly dropped by them?[/QUOTE] Are the only facts about this from her "internet posts"?? Until I see more proof I'm looking upon it as a NeoCon agenda to label her "Anti-Semitic" to dismiss her.

il ragno

2005-08-12 22:18 | User Profile

[QUOTE=il ragno]You can count on Our Bellicose Chickenhawks - from Limbaugh to Horowitz to Kristol and back - to set upon the happy task of smearing this woman as everything from a Stalinist dupe of the anti-Semitic left to an anti-Semitic dupe of the Stalinist left.

And when they begin to compete with each other lionizing Casey Sheehan's great sacrifice, you'll know they're getting ready to torpedo the mother with her own dead son. ("...if only Mrs Sheehan had the steadiness of resolve and love of country that Casey had...", etc)[/QUOTE]

Ahhh. Right on time, as usual. You can set your watch by these people - just don't wear it on the wrist you shake their hands with.

Jonah goes in traipsing:

[QUOTE]Without getting into all the sub-arguments about Cindy Sheehan, I think she's a great example of the opportunism of partisanship. There's simply no way that establishment liberals would take the same tone if Bill Clinton were president under remotely similar circumstances. It is flatly inconceivable. Sure some of the Huffington Post types might make similar bleatings, but Juan Williams? No way. A lot of smart (and a lot of dumb) people who are striking a self-righteous pose when it comes to Sheehan, would undoubtedly be singing a different tune if a mother, adopted by ideological enemies of the president, were camping out outside of his vacation home (in Martha's Vineyard or the like) under similar circumstances. Her previously friendly statements about the president would be used to damn her and that would be the end of it. The nightly news wouldn't make her a hero and the lefty bloggers would write her off as a "Clinton hater," a Freeper, a Buchananite or some other example of the "paranoid style" in American politics.

Meanwhile, I am sure it's true that a lot of folks on the right would be taking up a "rightwing" Cindy Sheehan's cause. But the key difference is that the Washington Post, New York Times and nightly news shows wouldn't be volunteering as press agents.

Even giving Sheehan every benefit of the doubt, is it so impossible to understand that caving-in to publicity stunts of this sort is something presidents, Republican and Democrat, are naturally reluctant to do? [/QUOTE]

But steak-and-Scotch 'patriot' David Horowitz clomps right in, muddy shoes and all:

[QUOTE][SIZE=4]Cindy Sheehan Is A Liar Who Has Betrayed Her Country and Her Son[/SIZE]

[B]Posted by David Horowitz @ Friday 12 August 2005, 1:11 pm [/B] Cindy Sheehan has made herself a mouthpiece for the left’s lies against this country and become part of their campaign to help the terrorist enemy defeat us on the field of battle. Michael Calderon’s post in this blog has it exactly right. In Calderon’s post, rRead the CommonDreams article Cindy Sheehan has allegedly written (or perhaps some demented lefitst amanuensis wrote it for her). Saddam Hussein was never an American puppet. The Bush administration did not fabricate intelligence , and so forth. America is fighting a war for freedom in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan’s brave son gave his life for Iraqi freedom and the security of all targets of Saddamite terror and genocide. Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace; but even more disgraceful are the leftist gusanos and saboteurs behind her. [/QUOTE]

A typically-laughable (were it not so reprehensible) FRONT PAGE 'special report!':

[QUOTE][SIZE=4]Exploiting the Dead[/SIZE]
By Ben Johnson FrontPageMagazine.com | August 12, 2005

ANTIWAR EXTREMIST CINDY SHEEHAN HAS CAPTURED HEADLINES by camping out in front of President Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas. There, the 48-year-old founder of Gold Star Families for Peace claims she is hounding the president to end the Iraq War in the name of her beloved son, Casey, who died in Iraq, and in the name of grieving families everywhere. The image of a grief-stricken mother traveling by caravan from California to Texas, then living in a tent, merely so she can have a brief meeting with the president has deep propaganda value for the antiwar Left. Thus, the New York Times noted longingly in its headline Thursday, “One Mother’s Loss Becomes a Problem for the President.” However, none of the mainstream media accounts of this beatified mourner recognize her long history of extremist rhetoric, her close association with far-Left and anti-Semitic figures, or the way she has seemingly rewritten her own history when it suited her purposes.

Sheehan says if granted a (second) consultation with President George W. Bush, she wants to ask him, “Why did you kill my son?” Both the question and the blame are misplaced. Sheehan and the media have emphasized that Iraqis killed 24-year-old Casey Sheehan in Sadr City last April, just five days after his arrival in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan’s tale of motherly grief is gripping. She told the leftist blog Buzzflash:

[I]Casey told me, “Mom, this is what we trained for. I’m ready. It’s my job. Because the sooner I get there, the sooner I’ll come home.” And he came home three weeks later in a flag-draped coffin.[/I]

However, the media have ignored two important facts. First, Casey initially signed up in May 2000 and voluntarily re-enlisted in the service in August 2003, knowing he would likely be called into active duty in Iraq. Secondly, as a mechanic in the 1st battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, Casey did not have to go into the battle that claimed his life. When some of his fellow soldiers encountered resistance, he and others in his unit chose to go into combat to save his friends. Cindy Sheehan herself recounted it this way: [T]he sergeant said, “Sheehan, you don't have to go,” because my son was a mechanic. And Casey said, “Where my chief goes, I go.”

Where this young man went, tragically, was to an early grave. But his death was an act of patriotism and human compassion, one which should tinge her understandable maternal grief with deep pride.

Instead, Cindy Sheehan threw herself into shrill, anti-Bush and anti-American activism. Shortly after his death, she founded Gold Star Families for Peace, an “antiwar” group whose first stated purpose is “To bring an end to the occupation of Iraq.” (Emphasis added.) She presently has a blogspot on MichaelMoore.com and spouts extremist rhetoric alongside many of the Hate America Left’s most potent bomb-throwers.

[B]A Legacy of Leftist Anger[/B]

One might speculate that her son’s death freed Cindy Sheehan to take a more prominent role in stating the convictions she long held. Her hatred of President George W. Bush apparently harkens back to well before her son ever set foot in Iraq. In “An Open Letter to President George Bush,” published in the Not In Our Name newsletter shortly after the 2004 presidential elections, she wrote:

[I]George, in 2000 when you stole that election and the Democrats gave up, I gave up, too. I had the most ironic thought of my life then: “Oh well, how much damage can he do in four years?” [/I]

According to San Francisco-based talk show host (and acquaintance of the Sheehan family) Melanie Morgan, Cindy Sheehan’s antiwar animus dates to well before her son’s death. [1] The Sheehans always opposed U.S. involvement in Iraq. Asked about the views she and her husband, Pat, had toward the Iraq War before their son’s deployment, she answered: “We didn’t understand why the United States was there. We never thought that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States.”

She has taken advantage of her status as an aggrieved mother to spread her poisonous brand of far-Left politics. Her natural target was the Iraq War. Sheehan testified at John Conyers’ “impeachment hearings” on June 16, regarding the Downing Street Memo. She said, “The so-called Downing Street Memo dated 23 July, 2003, only confirms what I already suspected: the leadership of this country rushed us into an illegal invasion of another sovereign country on prefabricated and cherry picked intelligence. It appears that my boy Casey was given a death sentence even before he joined the Army in May of 2000.” To be sure no one missed the point, she added, “I believed before our leaders invaded Iraq in March, 2003, and I am even more convinced now, that this aggression on Iraq was based on a lie of historic proportions and was blatantly unnecessary.”

However, she has branched out into denouncing the military and the United States itself. According to FPM contributor Lee Kaplan, Sheehan likened convicted terrorist lawyer Lynne Stewart to literary hero Atticus Finch at a rally at San Francisco State University. Stewart passed on messages from convicted 1993 World Trade Center bomber Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman to his terror cell in Egypt and often pledged her belief in the morality of anti-capitalist violence. According to Kaplan’s account, Sheehan’s rhetoric that evening could as easily have been written by the “Blind Sheikh” himself; she, too, regarded America as the “Great Satan”:

[I]America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for. [/I]

She furthered this belief with a pronouncement on her official website, in which she describes her vision of a utopian future in America: “I will rejoice to hear the sounds of the collective Mea Culpa and the beating of breasts.” To deprive this evil empire of a sufficient military, Cindy endorsed the San Francisco citywide measure known as “College Not Combat,” which would encourage the city’s high schools to deny military recruiters access to their student directories, from which they seek military enlistments. The fact that the cause she championed in the name of “the children” would be a violation of section 9528 of the “No Child Left Behind” Act, an infraction punishable by the revocation of federal education funds, did not cause her or her ideological comrades to bat an eye. The “College Not Combat” coalition includes a host of socialist and anti-American organizations, including International ANSWER, Code Pink, the National Lawyers Guild, the International Socialist Organization, Socialist Organizer, the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (which hails convicted cop-killers as “political prisoners”), and others. Such left-wing organizers often speak of the need to reduce the number of young people joining the armed forces, in order to frustrate “imperialist” U.S. foreign policy.

One such radical leftist is Medea Benjamin, the founder of Code Pink, Global Exchange, and the mastermind behind the violent anti-World Trade Center riots in Seattle. Benjamin enjoys a close working relationship with Cindy Sheehan as part of the professional antiwar fringe. Medea, a longtime admirer of Fidel Castro, with the help of fellow Castroite Leslie Cagan, founded the International Occupation Watch. Established in the city of Baghdad during the height of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Benjamin said its stated goal was to get as many U.S. troops as possible to declare themselves conscientious objectors and be sent home. Through Code Pink, she even managed to take $600,000 of cash, medicine, and supplies to “the other side” in the Iraqi terrorist capital of Fallujah (possibly the whereabouts of Casey Sheehan's murderers). In an essay in Nation magazine, Benjamin spelled out a long-term strategy to deflate the U.S. military presence in Iraq and around the world.

Benjamin’s anti-American foreign policy views are seemingly shared by Kathy Kelly, with whom Cindy shared the stage during antiwar protests. Kelly is the Director of Voices in the Wilderness, which violated UN sanctions against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in the 1990s. Kelly visits “political prisoners” held captive by the United States…in Iraq. She has spoken at numerous campuses, often with radical Islamists, and has supported the Nicaraguan Sandanistas. In late 2003, Kelly received a three-month sentence for trespassing at Ft. Benning, Georgia, during a massive protest against the anti-Communist “School of the Americas.”

David Fenton has been laying the propaganda groundwork the Left needs to justify its anti-American policies for nearly a generation. A one-time photographer for the Weathermen, a left-wing terrorist organization, as well as a partisan calling for the “liberation” of South Vietnam, Fenton went on to angle the U.S. media on behalf of the Nicaraguan Sandanistas and the Marxist regime of Grenada. Fenton Communications was soon enlisted to popularize the George Soros-funded MoveOn.org and the Win Without War Coalition. In 2004, Cindy Sheehan appeared in an anti-Bush TV commercial, paid for by a 527 group known as “Real Voices,” which were distributed by…Fenton Communications. Coincidentally, David Fenton also promotes the September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, another organization of left-wingers making political capital from the death of their loved ones. Fenton is not Sheehan’s only public relations conduit. Her statements are also distributed by the Institute for Public Accuracy, the organization that sponsored Sean Penn’s trip to Baghdad on the eve of war. The day after September 11th, this taxpayer-funded entity offered “expert” testimony on terrorism to credulous media outlets. One IPA-sanctioned spokesman said Osama bin Laden’s handiwork “holds up a mirror to U.S. policy of causing massive civilian suffering in Iraq…[W]e hope that along with the grief, we can…form deeper compassion and understanding.” The IPA is a member organization of United for Peace and Justice, the “mainstream” face of the antiwar movement, which held many of the major antiwar demonstrations in 2003 and was founded by…Communist Party member Leslie Cagan.

It appears Sheehan embraces the anti-American views of the far-Left, possibly even advocating that soldiers disobey their officers. An online interview reveals that after defining “supporting war and killing” as “anti-Gospel, anti-religion, and anti-Christ,” she told American troops they were being “misused,” and finally exhorted them: “Refuse to kill innocent people.” Yet no U.S. officer can legitimately order someone to kill “innocent people”; it seems she has joined Medea Benjamin and Leslie Cagan’s crusade to mint ranks of conscientious objectors who will study (anti-terror) war no more.

[B]Blame the “Murderous Thugs” (Jews)[/B]

Sheehan does not just lay the blame for her son’s death on evil America, though. She recently wrote:

[I]my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. [/I]

Such rhetoric echoes the line being taken by David Duke and his ilk at their most recent recruiting website, NoWarForIsrael.com: neo-cons run foreign policy; neo-cons are Jews; therefore, the war on Iraq was cooked up by a “cabal” of rapacious Jews to benefit the nation of Israel. Sheehan also applies dehumanizing rhetoric to “neo-con” officials in the Bush administration. In an antiwar speech this April, Sheehan said of a well-known Jewish conservative, “As soft-spoken and sincere-sounding as Paul Wolfowitz is, is there yet any sane adult in this country whose skin does not crawl when this murderous liar opens his mouth and speaks?” She fumed, “Our country has been overtaken by murderous thugs....gangsters who lust after fortunes and power.” It is possible her target is “merely” capitalism. But her vicious rhetoric leaves open the possibility that she makes room at her altar of hatred for Jews, as well.

[B]Take the Left’s Bus to Crawford [/B]

This extremism has not kept Cindy Sheehan from becoming an overnight star, endowed with all the righteous mysteries of suffering motherhood. Nor has her rhetoric and continued association with fringe figures barred her from enjoying the fellowship of the larger Left. After she began her multi-week camp out near the president’s ranch, legendary leftist agitator Ralph Nader dispatched a letter declaiming, “This rogue regime, led by two draft-dodgers and officially counseled by similar pro-war evaders during the Vietnam War, is not ‘our country.’”

Former Howard Dean presidential campaign strategist Joe Trippi made an appearance in the flesh. Trippi joined with Jodie Evans and the website Democrats.com to produce a web broadcast hailing Sheehan. (You can listen to it here. N.B.: Cindy, like, totally sounds like she’s from Vacaville.) In this podcast, Sheehan’s venomous vacuity is on display in its every facet. She intimated the Secret Service might have murdered had she not placed a notice with the blogosphere, saying the Secret Service told her she would get run over by a car if she stayed there. “Thank God for the internet, or…we would already be a fascist state,” she foreswore. “The mainstream media is a propaganda tool for the government.” Sheehan likewise derided “the elections, um, you know the ‘elections’ quote/unquote, that happened in November.”

Then came the callers. Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, D-IL, who described herself as a member of the “Out-of-Iraq Coalition,” called in for the broadcast. Rep. Schakowsky, a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, gushed, “I’m just so proud of you…My heart is with you.” (Schakowsky, like Medea Benjamin, gushes over Fidel Castro, as well; Schakowsky has consistently tried to ease travel restrictions to the island gulag. For these and other “progressive” efforts, Schakowsky received an award from the Democratic Socialists of America.)

Sheehan also received a question from “journalist” Greg Szymanski, who has covers Sheehan for the ArcticBeacon.com and the American Free Press. According to its website, ArcticBeacon.com is dedicated, in part, to covering the “Alien Presence on Earth and UFO Phenomena.” American Free Press is the newest incarnation of THE SPOTLIGHT newspaper, which the Anti-Defamation League classifies as “the most widely read publication on the fringe Right.” Both were published by Willis Carto’s Liberty Lobby, an organization with ties to neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism that is “presently the most influential right-wing extremist propaganda organization in the United States.” Szymanski has written numerous articles for the publication, including one hinting President Bush was complicit in 9/11.

Perhaps this constellation of anti-American extremists explains her blog entry for Day 5:

[I]We had a little bit of trouble with locals today. We are beginning to feel a little unwelcome here[/I].

[B]Bush Far Too Amenable [/B]

Despite the fact that Cindy Sheehan and an entourage of 50 rolled into town in a bus with the words “Impeachment Tour” emblazoned upon it – fresh from attending a Veterans for Peace convention, no less – the Bush administration has not given this odd woman an icy reception. National Security Adviser Steve Hadley and Deputy White House Chief of Staff Joe Hagin spoke with Sheehan for 45 minutes.

This high-level (and unwarranted) meeting has not satisfied Sheehan’s leftist friends. Code Pink founder Diane Wilson is leading a hunger strike until Bush meets with her in person…for a second time. The website AfterDowningStreet.org also demands a face-to-face meeting. That website’s coalition members include Code Pink, Global Exchange, Rainbow/PUSH, Louisiana Activist Network, the Earth Island Institute, Historians Against the War, Veterans for Peace, Radio Left, and others. Notable individuals offering their support to the website include Daniel Ellsberg, of Pentagon Papers infamy; Robert Shetterly; and Joel Wendland, Managing Editor of Political Affairs, a journal of the Communist Party USA. And some 40 Congressional Democratic have signed a letter urging President Bush to meet Sheehan, as well. Among its signatories: Reps. George Miller, Barbara Lee, Zoe Lofgren, Mike Honda, Lynn Woolsey, and Pete Stark (all those listed, Democrats from California)..

[B]The Second Time Around[/B] As noted, Cindy Sheehan already met with Bush last June, two months after Casey’s death, along with a delegation of grieving military families. After that meeting, Sheehan initially said President Bush was caring, and the two spoke of their deep religious convictions. “I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,” Cindy declared. “I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.” She says she and her husband thought about broaching their discontent with the war but held back out of respect for what they thought their late son would have wanted. She instead enjoyed the commiseration of the also-bereaved. She concluded by saying, “That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together.”

Sheehan has begun telling another tale in recent days. During her podcast this week, Sheehan told Greg Szymanski, “Your account, that you wrote, is a true one.” In one of Szymanski’s two identical accounts, Cindy Sheehan claimed during their visit President Bush was “acting cocky and it was probably one of the worst experiences in my entire life.” He bounced around the room in a jovial manner. Szymanski quotes Sheehan as saying her 25-year-old daughter, Carley, “told me that after he made [a] remark, he gave her one of the filthiest looks she had ever had gotten in her life.” And, she says, Cindy was not alone; every other family felt this, as well. Cindy sums up: “Looking back, all I can say is that the meeting with Bush was one of the most disgusting experiences in my life.” (She also referred to President Bush as the “Führer” and called the War on Terrorism “blatant genocide.”) When asked to rectify these varying statements – which, for the most part, she isn’t – Sheehan said she was “still in shock” when she met President Bush in 2004 and could not recount her horrible ordeal properly for nearly a year after the fact.

Despite the fact that she has apparently lied about one of their meetings already, and despite the fact that she willingly forfeited the right to raise the subject of politics with him, President Bush took a conciliatory tone in a press conference Thursday. In a move that was both compassionate and politically brilliant – a suspension this president has proven adept at mixing – he told the press:

[I]I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan. She feels strongly about her position, and she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America. She has a right to her position, and I thought long and hard about her position. I've heard her position from others, which is: Get out of Iraq now. And it would be a mistake for the security of this country and the ability to lay the foundations for peace in the long run if we were to do so. [/I] To do so, he rightly noted, “would send a terrible signal to the enemy.” President Bush noted the sympathy he feels for anyone who has lost a loved one in a war. (I believe that in Bush, unlike his predecessor, this feeling is genuine; this president is notorious for offering glimpses of his deep-seated emotions, especially around the military.) He has stated that he understands her political position, has given it due consideration (which should have been three seconds), and concluded it is not in the best interests of the country. Thus, he can show the country he has no need to meet with this quite sympathetic character who is sleeping in a pup tent in the Texas summer heat for several weeks. It is a beautiful political maneuver – far more eloquent than Moonbats of Sheehan and Medea Benjamin’s ilk deserve.

[B]Disavowal [/B]

The fact that Cindy Sheehan has used her son’s coffin as a political soapbox has not set well with many members of Sheehan’s extended family. In a backlash, patriotic members of Casey’s father’s family have distanced themselves and their late, heroic relative from Cindy’s anti-American ways. KSFO-AM radio talk show host and Move America Forward leader Melanie Morgan received the following e-mail from Cherie Quarterolo, the late Casey Sheehan's aunt and godmother, and is sent on behalf of Casey Sheehan’s family:

[I]Hello again Melanie, Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks – Cherie. In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement: The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect. Sincerely, Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.[/I]

Thank goodness someone in the Sheehan family puts family, country, and dignity above political motivation. At last we see where Casey got the heroic sense of duty and patriotism that led him to lay down his life for his friends. R.I.P.

ENDNOTES: 1. I was privileged to be a guest on “The Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan Show” on KSFO-AM on Thursday morning, when Melanie read the e-mail from Casey Sheehan’s aunt. She noted Cindy Sheehan’s long opposition to the president’s foreign policy at that time.[/QUOTE]

What - you expected any less than the smear machinery grinding away from Jews?

PS: just for laughs, here's an off-topic aside from John Podhoretz that illustrates pretty well how little it takes to be a conservative these days:

[QUOTE][B]YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD? [/B] [I][John Podhoretz][/I]

Scroll down on Jeffrey Wells's Hollywood Elsewhere website and you'll see just how eerily similar in appearance Liam Neeson is to Abraham Lincoln, whom he is to play in a Steven Spielberg movie next year. [I]Posted at 12:04 PM[/I][/QUOTE]

starr

2005-08-12 23:28 | User Profile

Has anyone else noticed how when the talk about this on the news, they seem to be leaving out any of her references to Israel, or since I don't watch television all that often am I missing something?

Sertorius

2005-08-12 23:37 | User Profile

Starr,

I've noticed that as well and it is not only t.v., but the Neocons on talk radio as well. Maybe they are afraid that folks might start using their brains again after years of disuse.

starr

2005-08-12 23:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Starr,

I've noticed that as well and it is not only t.v., but the Neocons on talk radio as well. Maybe they are afraid that folks might start using their brains again after years of disuse.[/QUOTE] Yes, and I suppose they realize that it might not be quite so easy to get people to dismiss her as nothing more than an "anti-semitic" kook. An emotionally unstable, grieving mother, perhaps.

Sertorius

2005-08-12 23:54 | User Profile

Starr,

From what I have heard from them that is exactly the tack they are taking, i.e. "Nut", "Bush hater," "bitch", etc. ad nauseam.

albion

2005-08-13 00:58 | User Profile

[color=black][size=4]"My Son Joined the Army to Protect America, Not Israel"[/size] [/color] [size=4][color=#ffffff][color=black][/color][/color][/size] [size=4][color=#ffffff][color=black]What is PNAC?[/color][/color][/size] [size=4][color=black]What Are Neo-Cons? ?[/color][/size] [url="http://judicial-inc.biz/cindy_sheehan_Israel.htm"]http://judicial-inc.biz/cindy_sheehan_Israel.htm[/url]

N.B. Forrest

2005-08-13 07:30 | User Profile

This woman is pure dynamite. Despite the mandatory "I deeply sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan's tragic loss, but..." mealy-mouthing, you just [I]know[/I] the Chimp and his jew handlers are enraged and would love to off her.

May she camp out at the gates of his brush-ranch 'til the nonexistent cows come home!

As for the judenpresse, they're apoplectic in their efforts to smear her: the kike editor of the New York Sun was on Faux, being fellated by that notorious whore John Gibson. He wrote an editorial against her chock full 'o all the usual reeking jewshit: She's being "used by the leftists", ad nauseam.

OttoR

2005-08-13 20:17 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Starr,

From what I have heard from them that is exactly the tack they are taking, i.e. "Nut", "Bush hater," "bitch", etc. ad nauseam.[/QUOTE]I find it unusual that this word "conspiracy" is used whenever anyone claims that a specific group has a self-serving agenda which of course all groups naturally do have:

[url="http://lonestartimes.com/index.php?p=1341"]http://lonestartimes.com/index.php?p=1341[/url]

"She also voiced [url="http://groups-beta.google.com/group/bullyard/msg/7f523b1a73be1a36?hl=en"][color=#800080]vaguely anti-Semitic rhetoric[/color][/url] when she alleged that the Iraq War was all about protecting Israel, i.e. a Jewish conspiracy (a similar opinion is frenquently expressed by David Duke and his ilk)."

If a bunch of teenagers were chopping down trees on my property would it be a "conspiracy" if I wanted them to stop doing that?

I know that the media uses this word "conspiracy" to imply that someone is "crazy" or "paranoid" but this seems like another word that is applied constantly and without reason.

Also, isn't declaring that the war is about Oil also by definition a "conspiracy theory"? Those who think that attacking Iraq was to liberate them from Saddam? Does that make you part of a "freedom conspiracy"? :huh:

xmetalhead

2005-08-13 22:10 | User Profile

Cindy Sheehan is a hero. A hero that America desperately needs right now.

Keep praying for her. MSNBC poll has 83% of a total of 82,444 responders saying that they disapprove of Bush's Iraq war.

Let's bring 'em down!

Sertorius

2005-08-13 22:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE]I find it unusual that this word "conspiracy" is used whenever anyone claims that a specific group has a self-serving agenda which of course all groups naturally do have:[/QUOTE] Otto,

I don't consider it to be a conspiracy at all. The Neocons have been quite vocal about their intentions. It has been out there for years for anyone to look at.

Gabrielle

2005-08-14 02:24 | User Profile

FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY! Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks Ð Cherie

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

Developing...

[url]http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/08/12/20050812_014000_flashcs.htm[/url]

Sertorius

2005-08-14 02:42 | User Profile

UPDATE: Sheehan Family Announces Their Support for Bush SacUnion.com Published: August 12, 2005 13:45

CRAWFORD, Texas—In an event shallowly reported by the mainstream media, a letter has emerged from the paternal family of Casey Sheehan, a 24-year-old Vacaville man killed April 4, 2004, while fighting in Operation Iraqi Freedom. The fallen soldier’s mother, Cindy, has made international news as an outspoken critic of the war and of President Bush; she is now camping outside of the president’s Crawford ranch home, demanding he speak with her.

Cindy Sheehan’s protest has drawn attention from news agencies worldwide. Hundreds of protestors have joined Sheehan from cities across the globe. The demonstration has also attracted support from left-wing activists like Michael Moore and actor Viggo Mortensen.

Yet another angle to the story erupted Friday when members of the Sheehan Family announced their support for President Bush. In a letter written by Cherie Quartarolo, Casey Sheehan’s aunt and godmother, the family expressed their concerns over Cindy Sheehan’s Crawford protest.

The letter reads:

“The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son’s good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.”

The letter is attributed to “Casey Sheehan’s grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.”

Cindy Sheehan has since confirmed that the letter was authentic. In a response issued on her blog at Michael Moore’s Web site, the Vacaville mother said the Sheehan family was entitled to their opinion.

[B]“My in-laws[/B] sent out a press conference disagreeing with me in strong terms; which is totally okay with me, because they barely knew Casey,” she writes. “We have always been on separate sides of the fence politically and I have not spoken to them since the elections when they supported the man who is responsible for Casey’s death. The thing that matters to me is that my family: Casey’s dad and my other 3 kids are on the same side of the fence that I am.”

Casey Sheehan’s father, Pat, has remained quiet about his wife’s activism, notably absent at her rally in Crawford and among the list of signatories in the Sheehan Family letter. After the death of their son, Pat and Cindy Sheehan have separated.

Unless personally met by the president, Cindy Sheehan plans to remain entrenched outside Bush’s ranch home through the month of August.

Copyright 2004 - The Sacramento Union, Inc. [url]http://www.sacunion.com/pages/sacramento/print/5895/[/url]

albion

2005-08-14 02:52 | User Profile

Texas Dissident

2005-08-14 11:37 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]After the death of their son, Pat and Cindy Sheehan have separated.[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting fact. I understand it is a common occurence for a married couple after the death of a child.

Pure speculation, but if Mrs. Sheehan's activism contributed to said separation, then she needs to cease and desist, go home and seek reconciliation with her husband. To carry on in this endeavour without the blessing of her husband puts her in the wrong. But again, I'm just speculating.

Angler

2005-08-14 12:27 | User Profile

“The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son’s good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.” Well, then, the Sheehan family (except for the mother) are a bunch of mindless sheep -- the very same sort of "useful idiots" whom politicians like Bush manipulate for political purposes. I'm sorry to see that all of them put together don't have Mrs. Sheehan's brains or her ability to see through the pseudo-patriotic cant by which the plutocrats trick people into dying for them.

Buster

2005-08-14 19:26 | User Profile

Drudge reported this with an exclamation point (!), as though we should be astonished that anyone would think such a thing. This lady is a real heroine; for once I agree with Arianna.

Texas Dissident

2005-08-14 20:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]Well, then, the Sheehan family (except for the mother) are a bunch of mindless sheep -- the very same sort of "useful idiots" whom politicians like Bush manipulate for political purposes. I'm sorry to see that all of them put together don't have Mrs. Sheehan's brains or her ability to see through the pseudo-patriotic cant by which the plutocrats trick people into dying for them.[/QUOTE]

Say whatever you will Angler, but the most hard-shell fundamentalist Baptist has nothing on you when it comes to being judgmental and self-righteous. Wow.

That aside, again I must state that if Mrs. Sheehan's husband disagrees with what she is doing then the lady is in the wrong and needs to go reconcile herself with him. On such matters a woman has no place speaking outside the authority and approval of her husband (and even family). To disagree puts one in the same camp with Abzug. Steinham, Rodham-Clinton and all the other radical feminists. I'm just speculating here, but I have to think that Mrs. Sheehan's activism is a major reason why her and her husband have separated.

OttoR

2005-08-14 20:12 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Say whatever you will Angler, but the most hard-shell fundamentalist Baptist has nothing on you when it comes to being judgmental and self-righteous. Wow.

That aside, again I must state that if Mrs. Sheehan's husband disagrees with what she is doing then the lady is in the wrong and needs to go reconcile herself with him. On such matters a woman has no place speaking outside the authority and approval of her husband (and even family). To disagree puts one in the same camp with Abzug. Steinham, Rodham-Clinton and all the other radical feminists. I'm just speculating here, but I have to think that Mrs. Sheehan's activism is a major reason why her and her husband have separated.[/QUOTE] If her husband disagrees with her politics and worships Dubya then he is a brainwashed fool who she shouldn't have married in the first place.

Texas Dissident

2005-08-14 20:22 | User Profile

[QUOTE=OttoR]If her husband disagrees with her politics and worships Dubya then he is a brainwashed fool who she shouldn't have married in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Whether he's a 'brainwashed fool' or not isn't the issue. The issue is he's her husband and as such she has no right to go off on wild tangents without his blessing and approval. Would you support your wife doing the same on some issue you disagreed with her on? That's a recipe for marital and by extension, cultural, suicide.

In addition, I know many people who support Bush Jr. and the current campaign in Iraq and I certainly don't consider them 'brainwashed fools', as they are able to make logical arguments for their position. I don't think you're going to win too many converts to your side with that approach, Otto.

albion

2005-08-14 20:38 | User Profile

[img]http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/forpres.jpg[/img] [size=4]A True American Patriot[/size] [url="http://www.rense.com/general67/atrueamericanpatriot.htm"]http://www.rense.com/general67/atrueamericanpatriot.htm[/url] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]So of course, Cindy Sheehan is a traitor in the eyes of the Zionist, Israel-loyal, corporate, mainstream, establishment media. And that's why the Jewish MSM whores are now coming out in force to denigrate, belittle, and sling mud at her. How smug and comfortable they all are in their temperature-controlled studios behind their cameras, their microphones, and their keyboards. How convenient their far reaching animosity extends, ensconced in total unaccountability, just like Bush in his air-conditioned bullet-proof horseless carriage. The smirking stooge for Israel has been unchallenged in his disloyalty to America while sending America's youth to die for Israeli oil pipelines of the future.[/size][/font]

Gabrielle

2005-08-15 11:54 | User Profile

Mom's Protest Riles Gun-Toting Neighbor

By ANGELA K. BROWN The Associated Press Sunday, August 14, 2005; 10:57 PM

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CRAWFORD, Texas -- Undaunted by counter rallies and even a neighbor's gunshot blasts into the air, a woman whose son died in Iraq said Sunday that she will continue her anti-war demonstration near President Bush's ranch for three more weeks.

"We can't give up, no matter hard it gets," said Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif. She started the protest Aug. 6 in memory of her 24-year-old son Casey, an Army specialist killed in Iraq last year.

Her makeshift campsite along the road leading to the Western White House has grown to more than 100, and hundreds more have stopped by for a few hours to show their support. Sheehan says she won't leave "Camp Casey" until Bush meets with her and other grieving families or until his monthlong ranch visit ends.

More than 350 war protesters rallied at the site Saturday afternoon, hours after some 250 Bush supporters waved American flags in a counter rally across the street, holding signs that said Sheehan was unpatriotic and was hurting troop morale.

While about 60 in Sheehan's group held a religious service Sunday morning, a nearby landowner, Larry Mattlage, fired his shotgun twice into the air. Sheriff's deputies and Secret Service agents rushed to his house but did not arrest him.

"I ain't threatening nobody, and I ain't pointing a gun at nobody," Mattlage said. "This is Texas."

Mattlage said he was initially sympathetic toward the demonstrators, but that they have blocked roads in the area and caused traffic problems. He said he fired his gun in preparation for the dove-hunting season, but when asked if he had another motive, he said, "Figure it out for yourself."

Sheriff's deputies have kept a presence at the demonstrators' site, and more than a dozen law enforcement cars flanked the edge of the camp Saturday to keep them and the pro-Bush rally separated. A few from each side got into heated verbal exchanges, but no one was arrested.

Sheehan, 48, said she was not concerned with her own safety but that she has told others to be aware that "this could get physical, even though we are peaceful."

"I think we knew of the risks when we came down here," she said. "I'm surprised we haven't had more of that since we're in Bush country."

Sheehan, who met with two top Bush administration officials on her first day of the protest, said some of her supporters have left the campsite but that others keep arriving from around the country.

Bush has said he sympathizes with Sheehan but has not said if he will meet with her.

Sherry Bohlen of Scottsdale, Ariz., drove with two friends to Crawford last week but didn't leave Sunday as planned.

"This is history in the making, and it's hard to walk away from that," said Bohlen, whose son Thor has been in Iraq for a month.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/14/AR2005081401242_pf.html[/url]

Angler

2005-08-15 13:09 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Say whatever you will Angler, but the most hard-shell fundamentalist Baptist has nothing on you when it comes to being judgmental and self-righteous. Wow. LOL, what BS. With posts like [url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=115968&postcount=43]THIS ONE[/url], you have some nerve calling me judgmental or self-righteous. At least I don't believe in burning people at the stake because they don't subscribe to my beliefs.

What's with all your uncalled-for personal attacks against me lately, anyway? Are you trying to become a troll on your own board? Is it some sort of insecurity on your part? What's the deal? You don't see me insulting people here without blatant provocation.

That aside, again I must state that if Mrs. Sheehan's husband disagrees with what she is doing then the lady is in the wrong and needs to go reconcile herself with him. On such matters a woman has no place speaking outside the authority and approval of her husband (and even family). She can do as she pleases. She's a human being, free to make her own choices and direct her life as she sees fit. Maybe she doesn't give a hoot about the Bible or the rantings of Paul about "wives being submissive to their husbands." That's her choice.

To disagree puts one in the same camp with Abzug. Steinham, Rodham-Clinton and all the other radical feminists. Just because someone thinks a woman should have control over her own life -- just like any other free human being -- doesn't make him or her a "radical feminist." The radical feminists go far beyond that, preaching garbage about how all heterosexual sex is rape, etc.

In fact, extreme and archaic views about wives essentially being their husbands' chattel do little more than provide ammo to the radical feminists and aid recruitment to their cause.

I'm just speculating here, but I have to think that Mrs. Sheehan's activism is a major reason why her and her husband have separated.[/QUOTE]If the husband left her, then he broke his marital vows. If she initiated the separation, then it's her fault instead. Through her activism, she's doing what she believes is right. She's following her conscience. If her family can't tolerate that and cut her some slack, then they're not worthy of her.

xmetalhead

2005-08-15 14:42 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]
In addition, I know many people who support Bush Jr. and the current campaign in Iraq and I certainly don't consider them 'brainwashed fools', as they are able to make logical arguments for their position. I don't think you're going to win too many converts to your side with that approach, Otto.[/QUOTE]

Tex, you don't seem like yourself these days. You used to be more skeptical. Everything ok?

I guess I'll say it: anyone who believes that Bush & Co's war on Iraq serves any noble purpose, or protects America in anyway [U]is[/U] a brainwashed fool, regardless of their education level. It just is. The "logical" arguments that they supposedly put up have all been blown to bits by real logic and exposing blatant double standards, as well as historical evidence about the outcomes of such wars not to mention the Jewish stranglehold on American media. Arrogance doesn't win wars. From the Romans to Napoleon to the Soviets, it never ends well.

Take care, Tex.

Texas Dissident

2005-08-15 14:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]Through her activism, she's doing what she believes is right. She's following her conscience. If her family can't tolerate that and cut her some slack, then they're not worthy of her.[/QUOTE]

Spoken just like a rabid, testicle-stomping Bryn Mawr grad student. Hillary Rodham would be proud.

What's with all your uncalled-for personal attacks against me lately, anyway?

It's not personal Angler. The bottom line is that I strongly disagree with pretty much every aspect of your radical, Randian, objectivist libertarianism, rooted as it is in everything I view as the supreme enemy of my own traditional American/Western conservatism. Feminism, atheism, radical individualism, materialism etc. etc. You name it. We're on completely opposite sides of the ideological spectrum and fighting for completely different goals. It's more or less just like having a bolshevist jew debate here on this board so naturally I am going to challenge it and defend my blood and soil.

There's no sense in whining. Either post and debate or don't and don't get upset because myself and others have an opinion and dare to argue it.

Texas Dissident

2005-08-15 15:17 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Tex, you don't seem like yourself these days. You used to be more skeptical. Everything ok?

Alles klaar, x. No worries, promise. :cool2:

I just really don't care for Green Day. I think it's 'cause they seem to represent all those San Francisco homos and all the cultural and social degeneracy of the modern anti-war Left. I've consistently been opposed to our actions in Iraq since the first Gulf War, but at the same time am very hesitant about jumping into bed with people whose greater cultural and ideological agenda is diametrically opposed to my own paleo-conservatism.

Take care, Tex.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, brother. You, too.

Petr

2005-08-15 15:28 | User Profile

[COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "I've consistently been opposed to our actions in Iraq since the first Gulf War, but at the same time am very hesitant about jumping into bed with people whose greater cultural and ideological agenda is diametrically opposed to my own paleo-conservatism."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

A wise policy, IMHO.

Here's an article with similar sentiments:

[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates65.html[/url]

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Georgia]"It has become clear that there are two antiwar movements in this country at present – two movements, that is, that oppose Bush the Younger’s impending invasion of Iraq, if it happens. They oppose the war for completely different reasons, however, because they operate from completely different premises and political philosophies. What makes this of interest is the talk of a "convergence" between the two. I don’t think so.[/COLOR]

... [FONT=Georgia] "I want nothing to do with this antiwar movement. It seems clear that these people oppose warring with Iraq not because of sincere concern about this country’s best interests and certainly not out of any Constitutionalist sentiment but because they hate this country and all it stands for. They hate Bush the Younger’s administration not because of anything Bush has or hasn’t done, but because he’s Bush: a Republican, a mouthpiece for the rich who was "selected, not elected," and all that[/FONT].[/FONT]

Petr

Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-08-15 15:33 | User Profile

[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Cindy Sheehan is a hero. A hero that America desperately needs right now.

Keep praying for her. MSNBC poll has 83% of a total of 82,444 responders saying that they disapprove of Bush's Iraq war.

Let's bring 'em down![/QUOTE] The dear lady has the coonservatives and the jewdough leftoids equally as perplexed.

Because she is telling the truth.:whstl:

Ponce

2005-08-15 15:48 | User Profile

The same way that a lupe focus the rays of the sun upon one point in a piece of paper in order to burn it Cindy will have the same affect on the American people.

Bush and all those so called Neo-cons better take for the hill and out of sight, the gennie is out of the bottle and ready to give the American people three wishes, be smart when you used them.

I wonder what kind of "accident" she will have.

vytis

2005-08-15 16:23 | User Profile

Ted Koppell and Matt Drudge are both Jews, I don't expect them to be big supporters of Mrs Sheehan. :caiphas:

My sympathy and prayers go out to this grieving mom. My wife and I know what it's like to lose a son. We support her all the way as she challenges Bush II, and his Israel 'uber alles' cheerleaders.

Angeleyes

2005-08-15 21:39 | User Profile

Unless she soon reverts to her maiden name. Hmmm.

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] That aside, again I must state that if Mrs. Sheehan's husband disagrees with what she is doing then the lady is in the wrong and needs to go reconcile herself with him. On such matters a woman has no place speaking outside the authority and approval of her husband (and even family). To disagree puts one in the same camp with Abzug. Steinham, Rodham-Clinton and all the other radical feminists. I'm just speculating here, but I have to think that Mrs. Sheehan's activism is a major reason why her and her husband have separated.[/QUOTE]TD, your observation that her breaking the team, the team of her and her husband, the team that raised their children, to include Casey (RIP) scores with me. Think of how much more powerful the core message is if the both of them stand vigil. Think of how powerful [u]their[/u] protest would be (and to really build family values cred, trade off every few days so the other looks after the grandchildren, for example) and of sticking to their own story line, the story line of the errors in leadership/policy in Washington, the story line of squandering the blood and treasure of America, and lose the bloody baggage of

1. Being affilitated with M Moore, a known propagandist (How to come off as insincere? Hang with and co-opt the rhetoric of propagandists. From the heart? If so, hidden from view by Moores gut and shadow.)

2. The "militant left" Well said by a number of other posters on how that corrodes HER story, HER protest.

3. Note: Nader's unsolicited support is actually neutral, perhaps positive, since he has some rep as "above" the partisan scruff. (Yes, he has his issues.)

I don't know if she is doing this to be an attention whore, that is a small possibility, but whoever is advising her has screwed her royally. With a red hot metal poker.

To get this message effectively to stand up and stand out, without attracting easy rebuttals, the message must stand on its own. There is enough there to do so, the key piece being personal experience: a personal meeting with the president and the raunchy taste that seems to have left in her mouth.

Sadly, although her message could well stand on its own, it has by her tactics undermined its own raw personal, emotional, and for that matter political, power. Some call that a self-inflicted wound, just as Elian Gonzalez was a self-inflicted wound for the Dems.

That she met, personally, with the President already on the occasion of her son's Purple Heart/Flag award, and was not reassured, didn't feel better for it, and was quite possibly creeped out by the experience, underliness the core charge she makes on the insincerity of the White House in discharging the duties owed to the American people. It gives her immense credibility, if she sticks to the story line.

Dragging in the 2000 election issue damages her message. Not because that election was squeaky clean, not hardly, but because spewing that out among a series of soundbytes distracts from the core message of "duty not discharged with integrity and sincerity by the "high" officials."

No matter how bitter that election turn out was to many people, time and events move forward. Moving forward to bring a message that might powerfully change the public picture of the War in Iraq should not hold itself hostage to the same old rhetoric and the traps they hold in the propaganda battles, the Information War.

It seems that the media have not connected a few important dots, though most mention without analysis her husband's more reserved response. Mr and Mrs Sheehan lost [u]their[/u] son. Grief hurts. For reasons only the two of them know and understand, they could not deal with the loss of their son together. That is terrible. I say that from the perspective of a father, and of a man whose extended family bonded together powerfully twice in the past 10 years when we lost family members. (No, not to a war.)

Not sure if she or he is the team breaker. He may have succumbed to despair at the loss of his son. Or, he might just be too busy looking after two grandkids.

It is unfortunate, as a number here have pointed out, that her message has been (yes, it seems deliberately) confused and merged with a nearly pure "leftist" agenda. Not sure Mrs S is completely unhappy with that. Being anti is not as powerful a basis for a message as being pro, in terms of appeal. The moral appeal for pro arguments is cleaner, less attackable.

To the detriment of her message, her public protest (very First Ammendment, by the way, good for her exercising her rights of free speech :smartass: ) has chosen to adopt a wide range of topic non sequiturs and related partisan issues that I fear will cost her vigil the punch it would otherwise throw.

Maybe she is trying to speed up the growth of discontent her core message carries. By tossing her whole hand of cards/sound bytes onto the table, by trying to throw in too much at once rather than measured, added tid bits each day or few day of her vigil, she has given the political opponents of her stand ample ammunition to paint her as both unstable and [u]irrational.[/u] She (and whoever she has as an adviser) is doing their bloody job for them. And who dreamed up this sound byte?

"This country is not worth dying for."

[u]If[/u] she really said that, she is guaranteed to alienate a decent portion of potentially open and sympathetic ears and hearts. Then, the rest of the message, the core message, never gets heard.

Was that qoute was taken out of context, and is it perhaps a fusion of "He died for Israel, not America, and that {Israel} is not worth {an American who is my son} dying for."

What editing occurred after the interview?

Cindy just joined the battlefield in Information War. Like most irregulars who show up to a war untrained, her greenness shows. That does not bode well for her winning her fight, but maybe there is a Von Stueben somewhere who can get her to discipline her tactics.

Will be interesting to see how this shapes up in the next few weeks.

AE

Angler

2005-08-15 22:08 | User Profile

[quote=Texas Dissident][quote=Angler]Through her activism, she's doing what she believes is right. She's following her conscience. If her family can't tolerate that and cut her some slack, then they're not worthy of her.

Spoken just like a rabid, testicle-stomping Bryn Mawr grad student. Hillary Rodham would be proud. Hardly. I would say the exact same words if it were an estranged father doing this instead of a mother, only I would replace "her" with "his" or "him" and "she" with "he."

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It's not personal Angler. The bottom line is that I strongly disagree with pretty much every aspect of your radical, Randian, objectivist libertarianism, rooted as it is in everything I view as the supreme enemy of my own traditional American/Western conservatism. My political views are almost identical to those of the Founders of this country, particularly Jefferson and Paine. If you disagree with them then of course that's your right, but I would hardly call that "traditional American conservatism." You seem to confuse the latter with Puritanism.

You have a problem with me for only one reason as far as I can see: because I don't believe in your religion. Yet there are plenty of Christians on this board with whom I have a lot in common and with whom I get along perfectly well. When was the last time you saw me and, say, Quantrill or xmetalhead exchange barbs? It has never, ever happened. I treat everyone with respect unless they're deliberately rude to me.

Feminism, atheism, radical individualism, materialism etc. etc. You name it. I'm not really a feminist. I just don't believe women are cattle. Are they the same as men? No. Should they play the same roles in society as men? I don't think so. Do they have the same rights as men? Yes, IMO.

Atheism: I don't see why it should bother you that some people don't believe in God (or just doubt his existence, as in my case). If someone isn't convinced of God's existence, or thinks God might exist but doesn't believe in Christianity, then what difference does it make to you? Be happy in your religion and enjoy the camaraderie with your many fellow believers. No need to be hostile towards those who think differently.

The same goes for materialism. Other peoples' intellectual beliefs shouldn't bother you unless they seek to force them on you.

Radical individualism? Depends on precisely what you mean by "radical." I absolutely believe that people should think for themselves and use conscience as their guide, but I certainly don't believe in selfishness or lack of regard for others. If other people act that way, then they should be shunned by the rest of society. I see nothing unreasonable in this.

We're on completely opposite sides of the ideological spectrum and fighting for completely different goals. It's more or less just like having a bolshevist jew debate here on this board so naturally I am going to challenge it and defend my blood and soil. My main political goal is the removal of Jewish-supremacist influence from the US government and replacing it with a government based on individual liberty and accountability to the citizenry -- just as the founders of the US plainly intended. Another goal is to see the white race develop more racial awareness and cohesiveness in order to protect itself from radical racial integrationism. I am not the least bit interested in "stamping out Christianity" or anything of that sort. Sharing my opinions about religion is one thing; forcing it on people is another.

What are your goals, anyway? To establish a fundamentalist theocracy? I'm not being sarcastic; as far as I can tell, that really seems to be your goal.

There's no sense in whining. Either post and debate or don't and don't get upset because myself and others have an opinion and dare to argue it.[/QUOTE]I am posting and debating, and I've never objected to others arguing against me. What I object to are personal attacks, especially those devoid of content, like the one you initiated against me on this thread. This is your board, but my $0.02 is that there's no need for a lack of civility.

Angler

2005-08-15 22:11 | User Profile

[QUOTE=vytis]Ted Koppell and Matt Drudge are both Jews, I don't expect them to be big supporters of Mrs Sheehan. :caiphas: I didn't know Drudge was a Jew.

My sympathy and prayers go out to this grieving mom. My wife and I know what it's like to lose a son. We support her all the way as she challenges Bush II, and his Israel 'uber alles' cheerleaders.[/QUOTE]You lost a son? Wow, I'm sorry to hear that, vytis. :sad: I've lost loved ones (old age, disease) and close friends (car accidents), but I can't imagine what it's like to lose a child. I guess you're in a special position to sympathize with this poor Sheehan woman. Her grief must be incredible -- especially at having lost a child due to lies. :mad:

Sertorius

2005-08-16 00:32 | User Profile

Bill O'Reilly :taz: has been bitching about Sheehan tonight. He brought up her comment about Israel having to get out of the West Bank, not once but thrice. According to Bill, this is a "far Left position". I thought this was a foreign policy question. No doubt Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts and others on the Right will be amazed to discover that they are Leftists. :shocking:

I wonder where Bill puts the AIPAC spying scandal on the obsolete political scale? :wallbash:

Texas Dissident

2005-08-16 07:20 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]I am posting and debating, and I've never objected to others arguing against me. What I object to are personal attacks, especially those devoid of content, like the one you initiated against me on this thread. This is your board, but my $0.02 is that there's no need for a lack of civility.[/QUOTE]

My apologies, Angler.

Angler

2005-08-16 08:06 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]My apologies, Angler.[/QUOTE]That's cool, Tex. No hard feelings. And my apologies to you for getting bent out of shape myself.

Religious discussion is bound to stir up emotions, but apart from that, I really think we have quite a bit of common ground -- opposition to neocons and war for Israel being a huge part of it.

vytis

2005-08-16 14:21 | User Profile

Yes Angler, we share Mrs Sheehan's grief. Our oldest son didn't die in a war, but the pain is still the same no matter how you lose a beloved child. But God never gives us more than we can bear.

Our nightmare began when our son had major heart surgery in Pittsburgh. He was 15 years old. He did fine until he was 21 when doctors discovered more surgery was needed. That's when we lost him (13 years ago this month).

This great loss did not cause my wife and I to draw away from each other, on the contrary it drew us closer. We go forward trusting we shall see him again someday.

Now regarding Matt Drudge: According to Time magazine, dated September 1, 2003 P.60, he is Jewish.

Regards, vytis

Sertorius

2005-08-16 15:55 | User Profile

It has been claimed by folks out there that some guy rode by the encampment last night where all these flags and crosses were erected. He had rigged up a dragging device to pull all of this down. The cops caught him with debris from the crosses caught in the undercarriage of his pickup. [IMG]http://crawfordorbust.com/uploaded_images/t_Crosses1-730395.jpg[/IMG] Got to be a "(neo)conservative talkradio listener."

xmetalhead

2005-08-16 17:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Sertorius]Got to be a "(neo)conservative talkradio listener."[/QUOTE]

Sert, I bet Limbaugh & Co. defend that nutball's "heroic acts" while smearing Cindy Sheehan as a "hopeless leftist dupe".

Ponce

2005-08-16 18:12 | User Profile

Angler? why get upset if Tex jumps all over you? he does to to me and I don't accept it therefore it dosent affect me, as you know Tex has the POWER to ban anyone from this board and as you can see we are still here. ==================xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx===================

Angeleyes wrote =[I] I don't know if she is doing this to be an attention whore, that is a small possibility, but whoever is advising her has screwed her royally. With a red hot metal poker[/I].

Give up Angel, we all know that you are a Jew lover and still I don't know why.

You say "[U]I don't know if she is doing this to be an attention [B]WHORE[/B][/U]"? YOU DO SOUND NOW LIKE A FREAKING JEW WHO INSULT WHEN EVER THEY ARE LOST [U]FOR THE RIGHT WORDS[/U] and you also say "[U]whoever is advising her and has screwed her royally"?, [/U] come on now, most American are not Jewish clones like yourself and if the Jews are in power is only because they are blackmailing the US government and also because they control the American news media [U]which is the only one that most Americans read or listen to.[/U]

The part of calling her a WHORE really upsets me, how can you call that to a mother who lost a son because of that SOB of Bush and the Zionists?

xmetalhead

2005-08-16 20:27 | User Profile

[COLOR=DarkRed]Typical: A Jewish "Republican" Coalition has taken up issue with some of Cindy Sheehan's remarks. Guess which ones??[/COLOR][QUOTE] [B]Is "Blame Israel First" the Democrats' Message?[/B]

[url]http://www.rjchq.org/News.asp?Formmode=Detail&ID=918[/url]

[I]“You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism.”[/I] -- Cindy Sheehan, anti-war protestor in Crawford.

The front page of just about every newspaper this weekend noted the anti-war protest of Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier who was killed in Iraq. The Democrats have jumped on board Ms. Sheehan’s protest – casting her and her message as heroic examples for the rest of the nation.

She has been heralded by Democrats such as Joe Trippi, campaign manager for Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean’s campaign for President, Michael Moore, and organizations such as Democrats.com, MoveOn.org, True Majority, and Democracy for America.

While Democrats are busy making Cindy Sheehan their spokesman and avatar of their views, we see her as yet another example of how critics of Israel within the Democratic Party have taken control of the party's agenda.

If Cindy Sheehan’s ideas are what the Democrats have to offer, then more and more American Jews will continue to see that there is no place for them in the Democratic Party.

Take another look at the quote at the top of this letter. If only it were an aberration. Unfortunately, it represents only a tip of the iceberg of Ms. Sheehan’s world-view.

In a letter to Nightline, Ms. Sheehan wrote that the entire Iraq War was part of a neo-conservative plot to benefit Israel:

[I]Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.[/I]
Cindy Sheehan's letter

And Ms. Sheehan, the voice of Democrat opposition to the war, reported what she would tell the President if she were to meet him (again):

[I]You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East.[/I]    [url]www.truthout.org[/url]

Is that where the Democrats are on the War in Iraq – and on US policy in the Middle East? The elimination of Saddam Hussein’s tyrannical rule is a victory for the oil companies and for American imperialism?

You know, as well as I, that Saddam Hussein launched scud missiles at Israel.

You know that he operated rape rooms and torture chambers.

You know that he launched chemical weapons at his own people.

You know that he housed terrorists as his guests in Iraq – terrorists such as Abu Nidal, who murdered Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro cruise ship.

You know that Saddam paid a bounty of $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers.

You know that he was a threat to the stability of the entire region.

You also know that there were strong links between Saddam’s Iraq and Al Qaeda (for a new comprehensive summary of the latest evidence, check out [url]www.HusseinAndTerror.com[/url]). [/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkRed]As for the last several questions that the jewish writer asks....do we really need to rebuke those ridiculously absurd canards again?! For one thing, asking those questions makes Cindy's allegations all the more plausible!! Saddam was Israel's problem (if you can even call it that), not America's![/COLOR]

Angeleyes

2005-08-21 01:48 | User Profile

This seems to me a mischaracterization of Sheehan's position:

[QUOTE]And Ms. Sheehan, the voice of Democrat opposition to the war, reported what she would tell the President if she were to meet him (again): [/QUOTE] How is she transformed, other than in the writer's imagination, into "the voice of the Democratic opposition to the war." As I commented earlier, her tactics are flawed, but her core message regarding the war, her son, and the immense dissatisfaction she felt in the aftermath of her meeting with the President still don't make her

"The voice of the Democrats." She's maybe just another voice in the wilderness.

More than Democrats have been opposed to the war from the start. Seems to me the writer conveniently forgets that in his critique. [QUOTE=xmetalhead] [color=darkred]As for the last several questions that the jewish writer asks....do we really need to rebuke those ridiculously absurd canards again?! For one thing, asking those questions makes Cindy's allegations all the more plausible!! Saddam was Israel's problem (if you can even call it that), not America's![/color][/QUOTE]Saddam was a different sort of problem for different people, both inside and oustide Iraq.

AE