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Thread ID: 19550 | Posts: 3 | Started: 2005-08-10
2005-08-10 18:33 | User Profile
By RACHEL ZOLL [img]http://www.miami.com/images/common/spacer.gif[/img] [size=-1]Associated Press[/size] [img]http://www.miami.com/images/common/spacer.gif[/img]
ORLANDO - Members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America expressed anger, hurt and confusion about what role gays should have in their denomination at a hearing Tuesday on an upcoming vote at their national convention.
More than 400 delegates and observers crowded into a hotel meeting room, where Lutheran leaders invited comments about proposals on blessing same-sex unions and ordaining gays who are not celibate.
The Rev. Robert Goldstein, a gay minister at Immanuel Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chicago, wore a rainbow sash around his cleric's collar as he urged delegates to ''go beyond the justice of incrementalism'' and remove all limits on gay leadership in the denomination.
''I'm a gay pastor in this church. I serve faithfully. I love it,'' he said. ``Our church must go beyond institutionalizing fear.''
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The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America or ELCA is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline"][color=#0000ff]mainline[/color][/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant"][color=#0000ff]Protestant[/color][/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination"][color=#0000ff]denomination[/color][/url] headquartered in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago%2C_Illinois"][color=#0000ff]Chicago[/color][/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois"][color=#0000ff]Illinois[/color][/url]. With about 5 million members, it is the largest and most liberal of all the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran"][color=#0000ff]Lutheran[/color][/url] denominations in the United States.
The Church also has congregations in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean"][color=#0000ff]Caribbean[/color][/url] region. Before [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986"][color=#0000ff]1986[/color][/url], some of the congregations that form the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_Canada"][color=#0000ff]Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada[/color][/url] were part of the ELCA's predecessor churches. The ELCA is one of the largest [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian"][color=#0000ff]Christian[/color][/url] demominations in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"][color=#0000ff]United States[/color][/url]. The next two largest Lutheran denominations are the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church_-_Missouri_Synod"][color=#0000ff]Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod[/color][/url] (with approximately 2.6 million members) and the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Evangelical_Lutheran_Synod"][color=#0000ff]Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod[/color][/url] (with approximately 410,000 members). There are many smaller Lutheran church bodies in the United States.
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2005-08-10 19:02 | User Profile
For those of you who appreciate Martin Luther, can you imagine what kind of speech he might give these folks if he had the chance.
Funny and tragic at the same time. :dry:
2005-08-10 19:17 | User Profile
They are not Christians, they are in a state of willful and conscious apostasy.
I think I will write a somewhat longer piece in the future on how most of liberal "Christendom" is just effete [B]neo-Epicureanism[/B] in a clerical garb with "[I]thou shalt not offend/cause emotional distress to anyone[/I]" as their highest[I] de facto[/I] commandment.
PS:
"Reverend" Robert [B]Goldstein[/B], I wonder what his original ethnicity is?
Petr