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Thread ID: 19532 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-08-10
2005-08-10 06:10 | User Profile
Bet you never knew gangsta-rap is derived from southern whites, eh? Stick around, home-cut: the 21st century is sure to be chock-full of "knowledge" like this.
[QUOTE][url]http://www.acton.org/ppolicy/comment/article.php?article=278[/url]
[B]Ghetto Cracker: The Hip Hop ‘Sell Out’ [/B] by Anthony B. Bradley, Research Fellow
What does it mean for a black person to “sell out”? Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Tiger Woods and many more, are often branded as “sell outs” or accused of “acting white” because they speak understandable English, pursue learning and have racially integrated lives. What is overlooked, however, is that much of the hip-hop and rap world represents a different form of “acting white” and “selling out.” That is, hip hop culture can be traced to the urbanization of the southern “redneck,” or to use the more socially offensive term, “cracker” culture of the past.
Thomas Sowell, in his latest book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, reminds us that what is often construed as urban black culture has striking similarities to the cracker culture of the old South. This cracker culture emerged in the American South through the immigration of culturally lowbrow English immigrants. In the antebellum era, about 90 percent of U.S. blacks were immersed in this expression of southern living. When blacks migrated into major northern cities, beginning in the early twentieth century, Sowell argues that they brought redneck culture with them.
The dominant social, moral, and cultural values among Southern rednecks that Sowell highlights, and that have been explained in works such as Grady McWhiney’s Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South, include aversion to work, proclivity for violence, contentment with little to no education, sexual promiscuity, short-term thinking, drunkenness, an anti-entrepreneurial spirit, reckless pursuit of excitement, and wild music and dance. Rednecks had touchy pride, what you might call today a “bling-bling” vanity, a boastfully dramatized sense of self, and little self-control.
This “cracker” ethos of the past has been baptized into the hip-hop world with reckless abandon. When black kids call studious blacks “white,” or when black kids scold other black kids for sounding “white,” they have adopted a ghetto cracker mentality. Only a ghetto cracker would ridicule the pursuit of education, the speaking of correct English, and working hard. They boast of violent activities, sexual promiscuity, and “gettin’ high and drunk,” “acting a fool up in da’ club,” or bumping and grinding on the dance floor. The ghetto cracker celebrates being out of control and spending money instead of saving and investing.
Being a ghetto cracker, regardless of race, is the pursuit of a lifestyle of self-sabotage that undermines human dignity and despises the morality that undergirds civil society. Selling out one’s dignity and future to regressive moral standards is the way of the ghetto cracker.
Hip hop magazines like Vibe, The Source, and XXL celebrate the ghetto cracker. In the July issue of Vibe, we find celebration of the strip-club lifestyle of rappers the Ying Yang Twins, affirmation of fighting to display toughness, and a picture of rapper Pitbul holding his toddler son while standing in front of two naked women painted red, not to mention a repugnant set of advertisements that would make all of our grandmothers gasp.
There is, however, an alternative vision of black American culture that recognizes the dual values of moral and economic responsibility. The July issue of Black Enterprise magazine does not promote misleading racial dichotomies but celebrates living wisely. The pages are filled with articles about investment strategies, starting businesses, homeownership, and a profile of black astrophysicist Neil Tyson, who received a PhD from Columbia University in 1991. There are ads featuring the Harlem Book Fair, the American Black Film Festival, and Morehouse College. Hard work, pursuing education, the virtues of prudence, integrity, self-discipline, humility, and the advantages of marriage and family are all part of the fabric that supports the activities celebrated in this alternative expression of the black community.
This is not “selling out”; it is “buying in.” Buying in to the fact that authentic blackness is not being a ghetto cracker. Buying in embraces a worldview that understands our common human nature and what it means to live in a way that is truly fulfilling—a worldview that promotes dignity, work, marriage, family, and healthy community. The real sell-out is the one who urbanizes counterproductive moral values and behaviors. They are people like Russell Simons, Puff Daddy, 50 Cent, the Ying Yang Twins, and others who encourage minorities to adopt the attitudes of the Southern, redneck cracker culture of the past while claiming authentic blackness. Being a chocolate covered antebellum redneck of the past is not being “black”; it is simply “selling out” disguised as hip hop.
[I]Anthony B. Bradley is a research fellow at the Acton Institute[/I]. [/QUOTE]
2005-08-10 06:25 | User Profile
I am getting sick of this sort of nonsense and black Neocons like Sowell and Williams.
:wallbash:
I will admit the "redneck" may have his problems but he is nothing like the :afro: .
Now come on; what :dung: ! [QUOTE]The dominant social, moral, and cultural values among Southern rednecks that Sowell highlights, and that have been explained in works such as Grady McWhineyââ¬â¢s Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South, include aversion to work, proclivity for violence, contentment with little to no education, sexual promiscuity, short-term thinking, drunkenness, an anti-entrepreneurial spirit, reckless pursuit of excitement, and wild music and dance. Rednecks had touchy pride, what you might call today a ââ¬Åbling-blingââ¬Â vanity, a boastfully dramatized sense of self, and little self-control. [/QUOTE]
2005-08-10 07:09 | User Profile
Well, there's no question that the 'redneck' mentality can be found to greater or lesser extent among the poor and uneducated in most white ethnicities. Lower-class enclaves tend to be presided over by short-sighted, insecure strongmen who require cowed, superstitious and education-wary provincials in order to maintain power - whether redneck Southerners, shanty Irish, greaseball Italians, bloody-apron Germans, etc, etc. (And as modern governments have learned, such people make reliably eager cannon fodder as well.)
But none of the above groups have ever tried to scam the populace into believing that their yobbos were the responsibility of some other ethnic group. As usual, only blacks expend their scant intellectual capital on a sociological version of 'the dog ate my homework'. But then, no other ethnic group in history has been so content to be subsidized for their failures that they'll play every guilt card in the deck to keep the free cheese coming, generation after generation. I wonder if the grub-eaters and the baby-rapers back in the Mother Country are aware that the reason they cook missionaries in stewpots is because of some guys named Zeke and Obadiah?
2005-08-10 12:43 | User Profile
As Harry Seabrook commented on his blog Little Geneva, 'rednecks' are concentrated mostly in the Appalachian regions of the South, which had very, very few slaves (or blacks of any kind) due to the mountainous topography. If blacks are simply parroting white behaviour from those terrrible, terrible years of slavery, then they should be imitating the manners of the South Carolina and Delta planters.
2005-08-10 12:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]I wonder if the grub-eaters and the baby-rapers back in the Mother Country are aware that the reason they cook missionaries in stewpots is because of some guys named Zeke and Obadiah?[/QUOTE]
Seabrook also links to this Steve Sailer piece on VDare which addresses your question above...
[url]http://www.vdare.org/sailer/050515_redneck.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]Even more damaging to Sowell's hypothesis, the Scotch-Irish tended to stay away from the blacks. They went to the highlands, both because disease was less of a problem for Europeans in the cooler uplands than in the lowland South, and because they disliked having to compete with slave labor.
Today, the state with the least educated whites is the prototypical hillbilly state of West Virginia, which had so few slave-owners that it seceded from Confederate Virginia and joined the Union during the Civil War.
Other heavily Scotch-Irish states like Tennessee and Oklahoma have limited black populations, too.
Slaves tended to be owned mostly by big slave-owners on the tobacco and cotton plantations of the Southern lowlands. The planters were often descended from the second sons of minor aristocrats in southern Englandââ¬âjust as poor whites in the lowland South often originated among the servant and farm worker classes of southern England. [/QUOTE] ... [QUOTE]Oddly enough, Sowell curtly dismisses the least-remarked but most distinctive influence on African-Americans: that they are Americans from Africa.
In tribute to Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate, I call this tendency to ignore the African in African-American, to assume that they brought no traits with them, the Black Slate Theory.
Americans pay little attention to Africa these days. But, as the inscription at the beginning of Sowell's new book, points out:
"We do not live in the past, but the past in us."[/QUOTE]
2005-08-10 13:54 | User Profile
The writer uses the term "Black Rednecks". Now he might pass that off on some of the bushies, but not me. This article is so full of crap, its hard to know where to start. Negros of the older generation did pick up a few things from whites such as saying "yessum" or "no mam, yes mam, no suh, yes suh". Beyond that, they mixed their own african dialects with whatever english they picked up listening to da massah.
As for hiphop being derived from white crackers, im still scratching my head on that one. Hip hop, rap etc has its roots in african dance and music. Listen to a tribe of africans playing on the drums and singing, then listen to rap. Notice the dance moves and the underlying rythm.
The white crackers are the decendants of the scotch-irish and their culture and music is in no way similar to hiphop. Not even the same instruments are used. Sheesh.
2005-08-10 14:51 | User Profile
Poor Southern Whites, the 21st century nigger! :blink:
2005-08-10 15:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales] As for hiphop being derived from white crackers, im still scratching my head on that one. Hip hop, rap etc has its roots in african dance and music. Listen to a tribe of africans playing on the drums and singing, then listen to rap. Notice the dance moves and the underlying rythm.
The white crackers are the decendants of the scotch-irish and their culture and music is in no way similar to hiphop. Not even the same instruments are used. Sheesh.[/QUOTE] Josey, I think you're right about rap music. I have seen some research that indicates that both blues and gospel music, however, are not African in origin, but rather Scots-Irish. Both the repetition and the call-and-response form apparently have deep roots in Celtic music.
2005-08-10 17:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Josey, I think you're right about rap music. I have seen some research that indicates that both blues and gospel music, however, are not African in origin, but rather Scots-Irish. Both the repetition and the call-and-response form apparently have deep roots in Celtic music.[/QUOTE]
Yes, on both accounts. Im sure others will be along to provide more reference material, as its out there, but here are some starters:
roots of hip-hop (notice the link to griots, wandering poets and "praise-singers") [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_of_rap_music[/url]
more on the griots [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griot[/url]
and here is something i googled for, a negros take on hiphop and its roots [url]http://www.globalblacknews.com/HipHopJack.html[/url]
Some of the more vile types of hiphop (read most) can be similar to the war-type dancing and music of native african tribes. if you watch a documentary on african tribes and then watch a video on BET, you should see the similarities in the underlying rythms. The group moving in concert to the rythm, the primitive & violent suggestive tones and movements all point out the obvious. You can take the monkey out of the jungle, but not the jungle from the monkey.
2005-08-13 08:01 | User Profile
More:
From littlegeneva.com/ [QUOTE]"[H]ip hop culture can be traced to the urbanization of the southern ââ¬Ëredneck,ââ¬â¢" writes Anthony Bradley, thuh Big Dawg Trainuh. Like everything else Bradley writes, this article is purely idiotic. Read Steve Sailerââ¬â¢s take on Thomas Sowellââ¬â¢s "black redneck" theory. As Sailer points out, it would be hard for blacks to learn anything from the backcountry Scots, who lived in the mountains and nowhere near the coastal slave plantations, and were generally too poor to own slaves themselves. Even today, if you want to find large concentrations of blacks, you would go to Charleston, SC, rather than Charleston, WV. "Rednecks had touchy pride, what you might call today a ââ¬Ëbling-blingââ¬â¢ vanity, a boastfully dramatized sense of self, and little self-control." There is simply no historical evidence to support this ignorant assertion. On the contrary, most white country folks jealously protected their honor, enjoyed simple and humble agrarian lives, respected Christian law and virtue, and built a civilization that is without equal. We are curious to know why the Acton Institute allows Bradley to write about "black American culture." Would they allow anyone to write about "white American culture," or would that be divisive? We share with Bradley the hope that blacks will adopt "a worldview that promotes dignity, work, marriage, family, and healthy community." But there is no need to lie about history or pretend that racial behavior today is very different from racial behavior in the past. Strangest of all is that Sowell inscribes his books with the words, "We do not live in the past, but the past in us." [/QUOTE]
2005-08-13 11:08 | User Profile
I's gots yo' rap hangin'.
2005-08-13 12:31 | User Profile
As I stated in LG, I am waiting for the next installment in which Anthony and Mr. Sowell explain how Southern Rednecks taught blacks voodoo.
2005-08-14 06:27 | User Profile
skemper
Yes, I am sure He will claim Voodoo was invented by the Druids. [QUOTE]As I stated in LG, I am waiting for the next installment in which Anthony and Mr. Sowell explain how Southern Rednecks taught blacks voodoo.[/QUOTE]
I am getting sick of all the nonsense from black Neocons like Sowell and Williams.
On a related note. More nonsense from Walter E. Williams:
Book Review: South Africaââ¬â¢s War Against Capitalism by Walter E. Williams [url]http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=2311[/url]
The Origins and Demise of South African Apartheid: A Public Choice Analysis by Walter E. Williams [url]http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?issueID=25&articleID=304[/url]
2005-08-16 00:14 | User Profile
Sowell's blatantly racist hyperbole regarding the lowbrow "English and Celtic immigrants" are probably aimed at the allegedly low brow Scots-Irish, pre Civil War immigrants who spread everywhere. His slander is amply answered in "Born Fighting" by James Webb.
If you are perfectly happy to be white, in America, the book is well worth a read. It is a thoughtful discussion, with some personal anecdotes, of how the Scots-Irish strain influenced the American cultural fabric.
Funny, not a lot of them settled in New England, nor New Yawk. Who'd have thunk it?
[QUOTE=Faust]I am getting sick of this sort of nonsense and black Neocons like Sowell and Williams.
:wallbash:
I will admit the "redneck" may have his problems but he is nothing like the :afro: .
Now come on; what :dung: ![/QUOTE]
2005-08-19 08:13 | User Profile
More stuff:
[QUOTE]This is chutzpah at its most brazen: blaming Southern whites for the culture that produced hip-hop. Do blacks act civilized in Africa? Do they act civilized in America? Do they act civilized in Haiti? Do they act civilized anywhere? It isn't "crackers" producing rap records and promoting hip-hop around the globe. It's jews. Rick Rubin doesn't hail from East Tennessee. Feel free to post your comment, as I did, and see if it's put up. If blacks are crackers, they're crackers on crack, and with none of the redneck's virtues - virtues which go entirely unmentioned by the shaved ape who pawed the piece. Blacks are adopting an exaggerated niggerism that is entirely produced and promoted by kikes. And Sowell and his wannabes play along with Hymie in blaming Southern Whites, the one group it is always Semitically Correct to shit on. Just another way of pretending niggers aren't niggers, and blaming some other group for their problems. The latter is something Sowell used to avoid. Just who are these crackers these otherwise sober, studious and restrained niggers would be emulating? I can name the jews producing, packaging and promoting the hip-hop that reaches every corner of the nigger community. Somehow jew media bigwigs today right now this minute aren't even worth mentioning, so powerless are they next to the example of a subsection of the white community 100 years ago. Unbelievable. The truth is far closer to the reverse. Today's Southern or rural kids or "crackers" are learning from blacks how to be niggers. But since we're nobody's niggers here at VNN, we're free to observe that that is precisely the intent of the social-engineering jew who makes the only thing the masses know as culture through television and radio. Here on changing values in AmeriKwa.
[url]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-08-19 09:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It is a thoughtful discussion, with some personal anecdotes, of how the Scots-Irish strain influenced the American cultural fabric.
Funny, not a lot of them settled in New England, nor New Yawk. Who'd have thunk it?[/QUOTE]
Neither did very many blacks. Until they migrated north from Dixie.
2005-08-19 13:49 | User Profile
So are they suggesting that the only thing blacks have been able to take credit for, that is "black culture", isn't something they developed either?