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Thread ID: 19374 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-08-01
2005-08-01 18:22 | User Profile
Marine General Smedley Butler was a critic of those who were always waging war for the benefit of the money crowd. Below is a link to a We Hold These Truths story that has reprinted several chapters of the Generals excellent book; War Is A Racket.
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Link:[url]http://www.whtt.org/index_temp.php?news=2&id=176[/url]
2005-08-02 03:52 | User Profile
perhaps the General should have learned that before he started his life in the Armed Forces. Also more than perhaps, he should realize that the war machine has nothing to do with money anymore, as the medium of exchange is totally under the control of the Elite. Like many Generals, it's fitting how they wait until retirement to voice their views. Get the paycheck, wait for a few to die, then do a tell all and have an awakening. Better to listen to those who already know these things, and don't serve the Beast behind your back and come back years later as some kind of swan song.
2005-08-05 06:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]perhaps the General should have learned that before he started his life in the Armed Forces.[/QUOTE]Does this line of thinking apply to those who were drafted?
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Also more than perhaps, he should realize that the war machine has nothing to do with money anymore, as the medium of exchange is totally under the control of the Elite.[/QUOTE]No but money is the medium of exchange in which the war machine is paid, sans our Afghan allies (mercenaries) who are paid in gold.
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Like many Generals, it's fitting how they wait until retirement to voice their views. Get the paycheck, wait for a few to die, then do a tell all and have an awakening.[/QUOTE]What is to be expected, an officer today is throughly indoctrinated, from the time they are a butter bar, in a system that is more concerned with policing up cigarette butts, issuing condoms, painting rocks, EOE training, affirmative action quotas etc. than they are in the troops training and learning the essentials skills needed for combat. The military by it's nature is a dictatorship not a democracy.
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Better to listen to those who already know these things, and don't serve the Beast behind your back and come back years later as some kind of swan song.[/QUOTE] Translation, don't volutarily serve in the military, as it is a dictatorship.
2005-08-05 15:44 | User Profile
"Mine is not to ask why but to do and die"
Tell you this much, if there is a draft in the near future and there is no invasion of the US I would be gone elsewhere.
2005-08-07 03:23 | User Profile
Thank You 6. Our respect is mutual.
[QUOTE=6KILLER]Does this line of thinking apply to those who were drafted?
No but money is the medium of exchange in which the war machine is paid, sans our Afghan allies (mercenaries) who are paid in gold.
What is to be expected, an officer today is throughly indoctrinated, from the time they are a butter bar, in a system that is more concerned with policing up cigarette butts, issuing condoms, painting rocks, EOE training, affirmative action quotas etc. than they are in the troops training and learning the essentials skills needed for combat. The military by it's nature is a dictatorship not a democracy.
Translation, don't volutarily serve in the military, as it is a dictatorship.[/QUOTE]
2005-08-07 20:01 | User Profile
Butler was an active participant and leader in America's banana wars. With just a little prodding, one finds out that after he was NOT chosen to the Commandant of the Marine Corps, (EDIT) he made similar remarks to Congress and wrote his book.
There is a touch of sour grapes in his commentary, however, given what the Banana Wars were about in the first place, ensuring the security of customs houses and reliable payments to American and European bankers, General Butler was calling a spade a spade. The wars he knew most intimately, as in recency of experience, were as he described them. EDIT: Pre "Good Neighbor" policy of 1933.
Had he been chosen to be Commandant, what are the odds he would have ever EDIT written that book?
I wonder.
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]perhaps the General should have learned that before he started his life in the Armed Forces. Also more than perhaps, he should realize that the war machine has nothing to do with money anymore, as the medium of exchange is totally under the control of the Elite. Like many Generals, it's fitting how they wait until retirement to voice their views. Get the paycheck, wait for a few to die, then do a tell all and have an awakening. Better to listen to those who already know these things, and don't serve the Beast behind your back and come back years later as some kind of swan song.[/QUOTE]
2005-08-07 20:05 | User Profile
AE,
What you wrote about banana wars is one of the things I allude to on that other thread.
2005-08-07 20:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]AE,
What you wrote about banana wars is one of the things I allude to on that other thread.[/QUOTE] Grin Which other thread? I am in so many . . .:shocking:
2005-08-07 20:38 | User Profile
AE,
You found it, I see.
2005-08-08 06:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"Mine is not to ask why but to do and die" The words of zombified, brainwashed slaves. Just to read them makes my eyes hurt.
Even those in the military should never, ever obey orders without question. What if the order comes to slaughter women and children, or (more relevant to today's politics) to go on a suicide mission to defend Israel? Only a maggot would do such things.
[quote=Ponce]Tell you this much, if there is a draft in the near future and there is no invasion of the US I would be gone elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't leave the US, but I sure as hell wouldn't comply with the draft (unless, like you said, the US was in real danger). I'd take my rifle, plenty of loaded mags, a gas mask, all my heavy body armor, and go into hiding somewhere. If they caught me...well, I'd end up fighting anyway, but it would be right here on my own soil against the real enemies of the Constitution. I'd much rather do that than fight for the enemies of the Constitution (such as the Judeocons) in some far-off hellhole.
2005-08-08 18:41 | User Profile
I find it interesting that the UK and the US don't know when or where the "terrorists" will strike and "yet" they know what Iran is doing, when and where.
We need an "excuse" to attack Iran but are waiting for an attack on the US by the Zionists in order to have that excuse.
The same for Saudi Arabia, now we have the "excuse" to send in the troops in order to protect them from the terrorists that we created. =======================XXXXXXXXXXX===============
RIYADH (Reuters) - Britain warned on Monday that militants were in the last stages of preparing attacks in Saudi Arabia, as Washington closed its missions in the oil-rich country.
"There are credible reports that terrorists are in the final stages of planning attacks," said an updated advisory posted on the Web site of the British embassy in the capital Riyadh. Earlier, Britain cited "credible reports" that militants were planning attacks in the near future.
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Now we can legally liberate them from their oil.
2005-08-08 18:50 | User Profile
The first time I was made aware of Butler's pamphlet was during the countdown to Gulf War I. (Or, in Podhoretzese, World War Three and Two-Fifths.)
A few years later, I heard it referenced as we prepared to enter the Balkans.
By the time I was online - and Clinton was bombing the Sudanese on his way out, with Bush coming in, with the PNAC report hidden in his AVENGERS comic - the entire text of that Butler memoir was available for free viewing on a dozen sites at least, and being cited more than ever. Then, again, as the drums for Operation Infinite Freedom (or whatever) kept getting louder and louder, that damn pamphlet kept popping up like herpes, and literally everyone in the Rockwell and/or Buchanan orbit was quoting Smedley Butler to beat the band.
What good has it done?
It's yanked out of the mothballs every time Johnny's about to go marching off again; and even though it makes the folks who dust it off and re-present it feel awfully virtuous, off goes Johnny anyway. An irony that would not, I feel, be lost on Gen. Butler.
It is my undrstanding that the pamphlet was originally written at a time when the Bonus Marchers were a national scandal that had stained two Presidencies. I wouldn't be surprised if an old soldier like Butler, already feeling like United Fruit's prize dupe, became completely disillusioned with the fraud of flag and country watching the Marchers' long degradation taking place.
But what good did his book do even then? Less than a decade after it was written, there we were, plunging into another foreign entanglement that the majority of people TO THIS DAY view through rose-colored glasses as Good Us vs Evil Them. (PS: people who pride themselves on being "against war" - unless we're up against Pure Evil, of course - are born suckers who'll be supporting every military action that trusted authority figures tell them is unavoidable. Especially if somebody else is going to be doing all the killing and dying.)
2005-08-08 18:53 | User Profile
What the US media wont tell us.
[url]http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=17449[/url]
Something else that they wont tell us is that those in the Middle East are forming their own stock market in regards to oil and other goods, the new currency will be the Real and the Euro.
As you know oil is over $63.00 per, the fun is about to start.
Almost forgot, Saudi Arabia is pulling out all their money from the US stock market, about 267 millions fiats up till now.
If I was them I would ask for gold for their oil, shiny gold for black gold. One will stay and the other one will be goneeeeeeeeee.
2005-08-08 19:06 | User Profile
[U[B]]"Create"[/B] a problem where there is none in order to have an excuse to do something.[/U] Sorry for posting so much but there is a lot that you should know.
Saudi says no information of "imminent" threat 07 Aug 2005 17:39:07 GMT ===================XXXXXXXXXXXX================
Source: Reuters
RIYADH, Aug 7 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia said on Sunday it had no solid information of any threat of attack in the kingdom, hours after U.S. diplomatic missions said they would close over a threat in the country.
"We have no confirmed information about any imminent terrorist threat in the kingdom. We are taking all necessary security measures to confront any possibility," said Interior Ministry spokesman General Mansour al-Turki.
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Everthing is moving faster and faster and the only way that we can be ready for what is to come is to know what is going on and most important "why".
2005-09-02 21:03 | User Profile
I read War is a Racket this summer. Even though Butler was obviously complicit, his points were still valid. The people making money from wars are not the guys sweating it out in the bush or warehoused in veteran's hospitals. My oldest son registered for the draft this summer. In the unlikely situation conscription resumed, Dubya can't have my boys, that's all there is to it. That smirking chimp can fight his own war, the bastard.