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Thread ID: 19361 | Posts: 29 | Started: 2005-07-31
2005-07-31 18:13 | User Profile
Remember her ? The last few weeks ive seen her on various shows as i flip through the channels. One was on vh1 i believe, attending the party for porn stars, then just today i caught a scene where she was on the floor doing some type of bhudist chant along with another woman. Is this the same holly-roller that was on tbn a few years back doing the mega-church-tv, send-us-money thing ?
2005-07-31 19:21 | User Profile
Yep. Husband was Jim Baker who did some time for some financial no-no of some sort. He had an affair with Jessica something or other. She had a fling with the now dead comedian Sam Kinison. Tammy wears too much make-up and cries too much. They owned a large chunk of land in SC that included a hotel, amusement park and residential property raking in millions. All now just abandoned real estate to this day due to their shenanigans. Just another religious icon, only difference is that they got caught doing their no-no.
2005-07-31 19:34 | User Profile
There is currently another big-haired, crys-alot woman that is on the mega-church tv shows. She reminds me alot of Tammy Fae Baker. Boo hooo hooo, send money.
2005-07-31 20:04 | User Profile
It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations.
2005-07-31 20:14 | User Profile
CW,
You mean her? Jessica Hahn? [IMG]http://www.bundyology.com/hahn.jpg[/IMG]
BTW, you're welcome from the other thead.
2005-07-31 22:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]CW,
BTW, you're welcome from the other thead.[/QUOTE] That's the one. What a body eh?
2005-07-31 23:05 | User Profile
CW,
Yep, it sure looks like Jim invested some of the collection plate money he collected from the suckers.
2005-08-01 04:56 | User Profile
It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations. Quantrill
As much as I hate to admit it, people like the Bakkers and Benny Hinn ARE American Christianity. In Europe, the faith is nearly gone, even Ratzinger in Rome admits it. In America, Christianity didn't disappear, it just became really, really stupid. Of course, there are notable exceptions to this, but by and large the bulk of Christian churches in America, Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant have become so influenced by our decadent popular culture and by Judaism so as to be unrecognizable by real Christians of 80 to 100 years ago.
Church-goers in the US believe all sorts of stuff, very little of it Christian in any meaningful sense.
2005-08-01 11:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod][QUOTE]It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations. Quantrill.[/QUOTE]
As much as I hate to admit it, people like the Bakkers and Benny Hinn ARE American Christianity. In Europe, the faith is nearly gone, even Ratzinger in Rome admits it. In America, [B]Christianity didn't disappear, it just became really, really stupid.[/B] Of course, there are notable exceptions to this, but by and large the bulk of Christian churches in America, Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant have become so influenced by our decadent popular culture and by Judaism so as to be unrecognizable by real Christians of 80 to 100 years ago.
[B]Church-goers in the US believe all sorts of stuff,[/B] very little of it Christian in any meaningful sense.[/QUOTE] Ain't that the truth.
2005-08-01 16:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations. Quantrill
As much as I hate to admit it, people like the Bakkers and Benny Hinn ARE American Christianity. In Europe, the faith is nearly gone, even Ratzinger in Rome admits it. In America, Christianity didn't disappear, it just became really, really stupid. Of course, there are notable exceptions to this, but by and large the bulk of Christian churches in America, Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant have become so influenced by our decadent popular culture and by Judaism so as to be unrecognizable by real Christians of 80 to 100 years ago.
Church-goers in the US believe all sorts of stuff, very little of it Christian in any meaningful sense.[/QUOTE]
When was it any different. Fundamentalist Christian preachers have been fleecing their flocks for generations. Also, I'm sure the priests have been screwing the kids since its inception which is why no one in the Church really did anything until it was made public. Child abuse was just a part of its tradition. Of course, their are the true criminal preachers such as the Wacko from Waco David Koresh, and Jim Jones. Not to mention the Jews turned Christian preachers such as Jack van Impe.
2005-08-01 16:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]When was it any different. Fundamentalist Christian preachers have been fleecing their flocks for generations. Also, I'm sure the priests have been screwing the kids since its inception which is why no one in the Church really did anything until it was made public. Child abuse was just a part of its tradition.[/QUOTE] I take issue with this. The abuse of children by priests is a direct result of the post-Vatican II homosexual takeover of many of the seminaries, which has been well-documented in such books as Farewell, Good Men. To say that pedophilia is 'part of the tradition' is untrue.
2005-08-01 16:38 | User Profile
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; "
2005-08-01 16:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]When was it any different. Fundamentalist Christian preachers have been fleecing their flocks for generations. Also, I'm sure the priests have been screwing the kids since its inception which is why no one in the Church really did anything until it was made public. Child abuse was just a part of its tradition. Of course, their are the true criminal preachers such as the Wacko from Waco David Koresh, and Jim Jones. Not to mention the Jews turned Christian preachers such as Jack van Impe.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if he realizes how identical he sounds to Maury Feinberg of the People for the American Way, ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.
You have some problems, Ron. Seek out help.
2005-08-01 16:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I wonder if he realizes how identical he sounds to Maury Feinberg of the People for the American Way, ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.
You have some problems, Ron. Seek out help.[/QUOTE]
You can either discuss the issue or discuss me, we can't do both. Besides, its not a very honorable to post against the poster rather than the post. Shows a lack of imagination.
2005-08-01 16:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; "[/QUOTE] I would be curious to see your interpretation of this 2,000 yr old passage.
2005-08-01 16:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]You can either discuss the issue or discuss me, we can't do both. Besides, its not a very honorable to post against the poster rather than the post. Shows a lack of imagination.[/QUOTE]
It's my board, Ron. I can do whatever I want. :thumbsup:
Why are you here?
2005-08-01 17:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]I would be curious to see your interpretation of this 2,000 yr old passage.[/QUOTE]
Ok - Its speaking about the worldly issues and events in which the end times occur. Men will fall away from the church, looking to their own remedies and solutions and seek to please themselves first. Many will decieve many. It ties in with 2 Timothy, ch 3.
In other words, these things and more must come to pass before Christ returns.
2005-08-01 20:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill] I take issue with this. The abuse of children by priests is a direct result of the post-Vatican II homosexual takeover of many of the seminaries, which has been well-documented in such books as Farewell, Good Men. To say that pedophilia is 'part of the tradition' is untrue.[/QUOTE]May I suggest that the doctrine of non marriage of the clergy hardly helps this? That is an elective point of doctrine chosen by the Church, one which did not prevent adultery by any stretch of the imagination (see a few of Martin Luther's complaints for starters) and sets the condition for homos as the acceptable recruiting ground for priests.
Self inflicted wound.
2005-08-01 21:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]Remember her ? The last few weeks ive seen her on various shows as i flip through the channels. One was on vh1 i believe, attending the party for porn stars, then just today i caught a scene where she was on the floor doing some type of bhudist chant along with another woman. Is this the same holly-roller that was on tbn a few years back doing the mega-church-tv, send-us-money thing ?[/QUOTE]
Yep, Tammy is a true gutter crawler. Meanwhile, Jim and his new woman have been running a Christian broadcast dinner show in Branson.
2005-08-02 02:02 | User Profile
there was a show on UPN I think, a few years back where b list has been celebrities live together in a house and it's all caught on camera. I believe Tammy Fae was on it with notorious porn star Ron Jeremy, along with Erik Estrada, Vanilla Ice and some other nobody's. She apparently hit it off really well with these guys. Makes you think...:shocking:
2005-08-02 02:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations.[/QUOTE]I've long suspected that Benny Hinn might be a Jew.
In any case, televangelism has long been a means by which con men fleece suckers and (much worse) the elderly. I don't think it's done to give Christianity a bad name; I just think it's a money-making scheme. I often get up early on Sunday morning and watch a few minutes of Robert Tilton or something equally retarded. I watch him "speak in tongues." I look at all the fools in the audience, with their eyes shut and their hands in the air because they just saw someone get "healed." And I laugh my ass off...until I remember that some poor elderly widow is probably giving her last dime to that kinky-haired motherf_cker. That's when my blood starts to boil!
One thing I always liked about the Catholic Church when I was a practicing Catholic: they just quietly passed baskets around, and there was no pressure to donate except from your own conscience. Most people chipped in. It was so much more dignified than all that "send me your money or God will strike you down for your lack of faith" crap.
[quote=Ron]Of course, their are the true criminal preachers such as the Wacko from Waco David Koresh His beliefs were indeed crazy, but he and his followers are heroes for killing a few federal pigs and standing up to those goons until their deaths.
2005-08-02 02:38 | User Profile
Angler, [QUOTE]I look at all the fools in the audience, with their eyes shut and their hands in the air because they just saw someone get "healed."[/QUOTE] What scares the hell out of me is that I bet most of these morons vote. [QUOTE]And I laugh my ass off...[/QUOTE] until I realize who is benefitting from as of this...
2005-08-02 03:18 | User Profile
Im in the Northeast and Catholic so I wasn't as affected by the Baker phenomena, but as a teenish young man back in the 80s I remember getting turned on in a slutty way by Tammy's nails. She sure had nice nails. Square at the end . I did get the Playboy Jessica Hahn tape also, just her posing and stuff, some of my 20 year old swaddles may have made their way out of the septic tank and sprouted a flower after watching that.
haha.
2005-08-02 12:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]May I suggest that the doctrine of non marriage of the clergy hardly helps this? That is an elective point of doctrine chosen by the Church, one which did not prevent adultery by any stretch of the imagination (see a few of Martin Luther's complaints for starters) and sets the condition for homos as the acceptable recruiting ground for priests.
Self inflicted wound.[/QUOTE] I don't have a firm opinion on this, as I understand the arguments from both sides. You are correct, though, that priestly celibacy is a point of Church discipline, not dogma, so it could be changed if the Vatican decided it was truly necessary. I think the Orthodox have a pretty good system. Priests can be married and have children, as long as they are married before they are ordained. Bishops are drawn from the ranks of the monks, who must remain celibate. I'd be curious to see what Walter and Vytis think about this issue, since they are both traditional Catholics.
2005-08-02 15:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It's my board, Ron. I can do whatever I want. :thumbsup:
Why are you here?[/QUOTE]
Rather arrogant point of view. One would pause to wonder why you would start this board in the first place. If it's your own personal soapbox, then posters should be forewarned of the fact. Also, if this board is nothing but an SF spinoff then posters should be told. Why am I here? I am starting to ask myself the same question. Not a lot in the way of interesting conversation going on here, and too many silly posts.
2005-08-12 02:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]It infuriates me that hucksters like Benny Hinn and the Bakkers are the public face of Christianity for many people. I almost wonder if some of these folks are false-flag operations. Quantrill
As much as I hate to admit it, people like the Bakkers and Benny Hinn ARE American Christianity. In Europe, the faith is nearly gone, even Ratzinger in Rome admits it. In America, Christianity didn't disappear, it just became really, really stupid. Of course, there are notable exceptions to this, but by and large the bulk of Christian churches in America, Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant have become so influenced by our decadent popular culture and by Judaism so as to be unrecognizable by real Christians of 80 to 100 years ago. Church-goers in the US believe all sorts of stuff, very little of it Christian in any meaningful sense.[/QUOTE] In fact, what you "admit" is far from true. For example one can hardly call Dr. D. James Kennedy stupid or a "Rapture Bunny." He likes the idea of Theonomy and admires the Reconstructionists. Nothing PC about him. Yet well over ten million people watch/listen to his sermons, read his literature, etc. There are entire huge Christian denominations in America that have nothing to do with Benny Hinn. Hell even if Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson support Israel, that doesn't mean they personally have any affection for atheist Jews. They certainly oppose the atheist agenda domestically. Why else would the ADL put these men on their Enemies List, far above any pagan WN by the way?
2005-08-12 07:58 | User Profile
Genevan,
Yes I rather like Dr. D. James Kennedy too. I have made references to him in a few of my posts.
[QUOTE]In fact, what you "admit" is far from true. For example one can hardly call Dr. D. James Kennedy stupid or a "Rapture Bunny." He likes the idea of Theonomy and admires the Reconstructionists. Nothing PC about him. Yet well over ten million people watch/listen to his sermons, read his literature, etc. There are entire huge Christian denominations in America that have nothing to do with Benny Hinn. Hell even if Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson support Israel, that doesn't mean they personally have any affection for atheist Jews. They certainly oppose the atheist agenda domestically. Why else would the ADL put these men on their Enemies List, far above any pagan WN by the way?[/QUOTE]
related link:
Thomas Jefferson: Deist or Christian? by D. James Kennedy, Ph.D. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16742[/url]
2005-08-22 02:52 | User Profile
Yes, D. James Kennedy is a lot better than most of the TV preachers. However, the guy appears to me to be very much a legalist (you hear very little gospel from this guy) who takes much too much an interest in politics than he should. Just another crusty old guy complaining about how it was better in the old days.
2005-08-22 03:15 | User Profile
CornCod
Well that still puts well ahead of most of today's churchmen.
[QUOTE]Yes, D. James Kennedy is a lot better than most of the TV preachers. However, the guy appears to me to be very much a legalist (you hear very little gospel from this guy) who takes much too much an interest in politics than he should. Just another crusty old guy complaining about how it was better in the old days.[/QUOTE]