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Thread ID: 19345 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2005-07-30
2005-07-30 19:22 | User Profile
"the sin of Confederate hero worship."
[QUOTE]A Christ-killer on "the sin of Confederate hero worship." And get a load of the loaded poll question: "Following Germanyââ¬â¢s ban on Nazi symbols, should displaying Confederate symbols be illegal in the United States?" This yid calls himself "an American who loves his country," which makes the left side of my face twitch uncontrollably. "Babies were torn away from their mothersââ¬â¢ breasts; men, women, and children were whipped like beasts. This was the essential, defining institution that the Confederacy struggled to keepââ¬Â¦ The cause for which the Confederate leaders fought, namely slavery, was no more noble than the cause for which the terrorist mastermind Abu Musab Al Zarqawi fights for today in Baghdad." Whose bright idea was it to make anti-Christs citizens of a Christian republic?
[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/171/story_17164_1.html[/url]
from [url]http://www.littlegeneva.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-07-30 19:48 | User Profile
juden raus
2005-07-30 19:59 | User Profile
Neocons and "Liberals" have been trying to link the Confederacy with Nazi Germany for years, (and more recently, al-Qaida) Shumley, and despite your denial you are doing the same thing. Thou hypocrite. [QUOTE] The idea that any southern state capitol would fly the Confederate flag offends the sensibilities and perpetuates racial division. Did we forget that it is the symbol of rebellion against the authority of the United States and stands for hatred of America? [/QUOTE] I always ask the idiots who make claims like the above just where did the Southerners who formed the Confederacy repudiate being Americans? ============== Note aside. I seem to recall this clown has some rather peculiar idea on sex. I wonder if he is the same one?
2005-07-31 01:29 | User Profile
As granny Clampet once said the 'Civil War' was fought between the Americans and the Yankees. Wiser words have rarely been spoken!
K
2005-07-31 04:00 | User Profile
I'm sorry but weren't the yankee generals slave holders? Besides this is the kid of rewriting of history that makes me want to yak.
2005-07-31 13:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE]While there were other factors that led to the Civil War, no serious, objective historian would deny that the principal cause of the war was the institution of slavery, and that the South fought to preserve its "peculiar institution."[/QUOTE] He bases it all on the premise that the main objective in the War of Northern Aggression was fought to free the slaves. Baloney.
[QUOTE]To be sure, I do not compare the Confederate leadership to terrorists. [B]Davis and Lee never waged a war against civilians,[/B] and in their personal lives historians tell us they were scrupulous gentleman.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it the American Yankees that attacked the civilian populace (Sherman comes to mind) asshole. And wasn't it the American Yankees that cleared out the Indians after the War. Stick your Islamic terrorist comparison up your ass Rabbi.
[QUOTE]Regional loyalty must never come before eternal principle. [/QUOTE] Tell that to the jews in Israel.
2005-07-31 15:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE]While there were other factors that led to the Civil War, no serious, objective historian would deny that the principal cause of the war was the institution of slavery, and that the South fought to preserve its "peculiar institution."[/QUOTE] Perhaps in the spirit of "Father Abraham" the US should invade Israel to stop the enslavement of the Palestinians under the "Bush Doctrine"? There is quite a bit of crap in Shmuley's column that any amature historian of the War for Southern Independence could refute easily and show him to be a hypocrite.
2005-07-31 21:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Perhaps in the spirit of "Father Abraham" the US should invade Israel to stop the enslavement of the Palestinians under the "Bush Doctrine"? There is quite a bit of crap in Shmuley's column that any amature historian of the War for Southern Independence could refute easily and show him to be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
Without doubt, but it seems to be typical of jews in general to attack the Confederacy. I found out just how much venom was spewed forth against the Confederacy by jews in Israel, whether conservative or liberal, a few years ago while researching attacks against Confederate symbols, especially the battleflag. The nazi and Hitler comparisons never cease. Why the hell do Israeli's have any concern/opinion on this issue in the first place!?
K
2005-07-31 21:51 | User Profile
311,
If you have any of your research that you can post about [U]Israeli views[/U] on the Confederacy, I'd love to see it. This would make fascinating reading that I haven't seen before.
2005-08-01 00:47 | User Profile
"....an American who loves his country,"
Yeah, right, which country?
2005-08-01 00:52 | User Profile
The cause for which the Confederate leaders fought, namely slavery, was no more noble than the cause for which the terrorist mastermind Abu Musab Al Zarqawi fights for today in Baghdad."
The above statement is laughable. A combination of revised history and MSM propaganda. All written by an ignorant fool.
2005-08-01 00:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CWRWinger]"....an American who loves his country,"
Yeah, right, which country?[/QUOTE] A.I.N.O.-- an American in name only. Israel for those who don't understand Shumley.
2005-08-01 17:12 | User Profile
It began when the South rejected the election of Abraham Lincoln, a president whom they believed would abolish slavery but whom we Americans today regard as the greatest president ever to lead this country. Who's this "we?"
2005-08-02 00:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]311,
If you have any of your research that you can post about [U]Israeli views[/U] on the Confederacy, I'd love to see it. This would make fascinating reading that I haven't seen before.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but I did not save any of those articles (gone with the wind along with my other Confederate flag research). I was somehow given a link to a story on the battleflag in one of Israel's conservative newspapers or magazines which led me to do a little searching in other Israeli online media sources on the subject.
Researching the views of the Confederacy and Confederate symbols in Israeli media and public opinion would certainly make a interesting read as you say. Since I have a cast on my right leg now and have plenty of time to spare, I may just start digging again.
K
2005-08-02 00:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]Who's this "we?"[/QUOTE]
Certainly not me since my motto is Sic Semper Tyrannis. He must mean the jews by "we" since I have some circumstantial evidence to suggest Lincoln was a closet jew himself - if anyone is interested I'll post it here.
K
2005-08-02 01:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]Certainly not me since my motto is Sic Semper Tyrannis. He must mean the jews by "we" since I have some circumstantial evidence to suggest Lincoln was a closet jew himself - if anyone is interested I'll post it here.
K[/QUOTE] So why did you leave VA for AZ?
2005-08-02 08:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]So why did you leave VA for AZ?[/QUOTE]
The Confederate Territory of Arizona is warmer in the winter than the Confederate State of Virginia. The flora and fauna out this way is another attraction for me.
K
2005-08-02 17:21 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/genesis_civil_war.htm]http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/genesis_civil_war.htm[/URL]
Nice refutation of that tired lie that slavery was the root cause of the Civil War, see the link above.
Also Below SparkNotes does a nice job of summarizing this same thesis
[URL=http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/precivilwar/context.html]http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/precivilwar/context.html[/URL]
[QUOTE] The preââ¬âCivil War years (1820ââ¬â1860, or the ââ¬Åantebellum yearsââ¬Â) were among the most chaotic in American historyââ¬âa time of significant changes that took place as the United States came of age. During these years, the nation was transformed from an underdeveloped nation of farmers and frontiersmen into an urbanized economic powerhouse. As the industrialized North and the agricultural South grew further apart, five major trends dominated American economic, social, and political life during this period. First, the Market Revolutionââ¬âthe shift from an agricultural economy to one based on wages and the exchange of goods and servicesââ¬âcompletely changed the northern and western economy between 1820 and 1860. After Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin and perfected manufacturing with interchangeable parts, the North experienced a manufacturing boom that continued well into the next century. Cyrus McCormickââ¬â¢s mechanical mower-reaper also revolutionized grain production in the West. Internal improvements such as the Erie Canal and the Cumberland Road, combined with new modes of transportation such as the steamboat and railroad, allowed goods and crops to flow easily and cheaply between the agricultural West and manufacturing North. The growth of manufacturing also spawned the wage labor system. Second, American society urbanized drastically during this era. The United States had been a land comprised almost entirely of farmers, but around 1820, millions of people began to move to the cities. They, along with several million Irish and German immigrants, flooded northern cities to find jobs in the new industrial economy. The advent of the wage labor system played a large role in transforming the social fabric because it gave birth to Americaââ¬â¢s first middle class. Comprised mostly of white-collar workers and skilled laborers, this growing middle class became the driving force behind a variety of reform movements. Among these were movements to reduce consumption of alcohol, eliminate prostitution, improve prisons and insane asylums, improve education, and ban slavery. Religious revivalism, resulting from the Second Great Awakening, also had a large impact on American life in all parts of the country. Third, the major political struggles during the antebellum period focused on statesââ¬â¢ rights. Southern states were dominated by ââ¬Åstatesââ¬â¢ rightersââ¬Âââ¬âthose who believed that the individual states should have the final say in matters of interpreting the Constitution. Inspired by the old Democratic-Republicans, John C. Calhoun argued in his ââ¬ÅSouth Carolina Exposition and Protestââ¬Â essay that the states had the right to nullify laws that they deemed unconstitutional because the states themselves had created the Constitution. Others, such as President Andrew Jackson and Chief Justice John Marshall, believed that the federal government had authority over the states. The debate came to a head in the Nullification Crisis of 1832ââ¬â1833, which nearly touched off a civil war. Fourth, and closely tied to the statesââ¬â¢ rights issue, was the debate over slaveryââ¬âthe most divisive issue the nation had yet faced. Between 1820 and 1860, more and more northerners came to realize the horrors and injustices of slavery, while southerners grew increasingly reliant upon it to support their cotton-based economy. Northerners did not necessarily want social and political equality for blacks; they sought merely their emancipation. The debate in politics centered primarily on the westward expansion of slavery, which southern elites saw as vital to the survival of their aristocratic social and economic order. Others vehemently opposed the expansion of slavery outside the South. The debate was critical in the Missouri crisis, the annexation of Texas, and after the Mexican War. Finally, the issue of westward expansion itself had a profound effect on American politics and society during the antebellum years. In the wake of the War of 1812, many nationalistic Americans believed that God intended for them to spread democracy and Protestantism across the entire continent. This idea of ââ¬Åmanifest destinyââ¬Â spurred over a million Americans to sell their homes in the East and set out on the treacherous Oregon, Mormon, Santa Fe, and California Trails. Policymakers capitalized on public sentiment to acquire Florida and Oregon and declared war on Mexico in 1846 to seize Texas, California, and everything in between. Ultimately, these trends irreconcilably split the North from the South. The Market Revolution, wage labor, improved transportation, social reforms, and growing middle class of the North all clashed with the deep-seated, almost feudal social hierarchies of the South. Each successive debate on slavery and westward expansion drove the regions further apart until finally, in the 1850s, the North and the South were two wildly different places, culturally, socially, and economically.][/QUOTE]
2005-08-03 12:30 | User Profile
311,
Sorry to hear about the leg. I wonder what Shumley and company would think of Judah Benjamin? :D
2005-08-03 13:24 | User Profile
A hearty endorsement of the Charles Adams book mentioned in the Lew Rockwell article:
"When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2000)
A handy resource for strapping some knowledge onto your Lincoln-loving neocon/Bush/imperial-democracy acquaintances.
Usually makes 'em cry. I've seen it happen.
[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg28.html[/url] [url]http://www.fff.org/freedom/1100g.asp[/url]
2005-08-10 08:39 | User Profile
Besides having the kind of name that would make "Jewy Jewstein" seem restrained by comparison, Shmuley Boteach has assiduously climbed the ladder, from photo-ops of him giving spiritual guidance to Wacko Jacko, to the authorship of such classic works as KOSHER ADULTERY and DATING SECRETS OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, to his current gig as a sort of pontificator-at-large on the Issues Of Our Time.
Boteach is among the most shining examples of Alex Linder and Chuck Pearson's theory on "erudite" Jews and how they [I]get [/I] those advances to write all those books in the first place. Kick back, knot a length of hemp, and enjoy.
[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/171/story_17164_1.html[/url]
[B]Rebbe With a Cause
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach[/B]
[SIZE=4]The Sin of Confederate Hero Worship[/SIZE] [I]Why do Americans stand for Southerners idolizing the Confederacy, despite the evils of slavery and treason at its heart? [/I]
This week, I took my family to Virginia in pursuit of one of my favorite summertime activities, visiting Civil War battlefields. We traveled to the four great battlefields around Fredericksburg, where more than 100,000 soldiers died in the course of the war. I also fulfilled my lifelong dream of visiting Appomattox Courthouse where on April 9, 1865, Lee famously surrendered to Grant, in effect ending the war.
What consistently baffles me in making these visits is the romanticization of the Confederacy that continues 140 years after the war's end. Wherever you go in the South, Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, and the other Confederate leaders are venerated as heroes. In the course of my travels, I have driven on Robert E. Lee Drive and Jefferson Davis Highway. I've seen myriad monuments to Stonewall Jackson, and I've seen the Confederate flag flying from cars and homes.
As an American who loves his country, I am appalled by the persistence of Confederate hero worship in the South 140 years after the Civil War's end. After all, the South fought for a truly evil cause. While there were other factors that led to the Civil War, no serious, objective historian would deny that the principal cause of the war was the institution of slavery, and that the South fought to preserve its "peculiar institution."
Whether or not the soldiers of the Confederacy personally believed in slavery, they still fought to preserve the hideous, reprehensible practice of buying and selling human beings--each and every one created in the image of G-d--like animals. Babies were torn away from their mothers' breasts; men, women, and children were whipped like beasts. This was the essential, defining institution that the Confederacy struggled to keep.
Robert E. Lee was opposed to slavery. But his personal feelings about the institution are utterly immaterial. The only relevant point was that he used his military genius to fight a war that would have kept men, women, and children in chains. What on earth could make a man like that a hero? What could make a man like Jefferson Davis a hero in the eyes of the good people of the modern South, and what message are those who lionize this man sending to their children? That it is good to rebel against the United States?
Last summer, when I visited Richmond, the Confederate capital, with my children, I was astonished to see the enormous statues of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and the other confederate luminaries that line Monument Avenue, which the Virginia tourism literature calls "one of America's most beautiful boulevards." This, in the heart of a city that is about 60 percent African-American. If I were they, would I abide this display of veneration for the Confederacy's leaders? Were the statues erected with any thought to the feelings of the city's black residents?
And aside from the slavery question, were these men not traitors to their country? The Confederate rebellion cost the United States 580,000 lives. It began when the South rejected the election of Abraham Lincoln, a president who they believed would abolish slavery but whom we Americans today regard as the greatest president ever to lead this country.
Let's put this in the starkest possible terms. The cause for which the Confederate leaders fought, namely slavery, was no more noble than the cause for which the terrorist mastermind Abu Musab Al Zarqawi fights for today in Baghdad.
Zarqawi fights to enslave the Muslim people, and the Confederate leaders fought to continue the enslavement of American's black sons and daughters. Zarqawi fights to deny Muslims their rights and to deny them a say in their political future, and the Confederate leaders fought so that blacks would have no rights and no future. Zarqawi fights so that women can be whipped in the streets when they are dressed immodestly, and the Confederate leaders fought so that black women could be lashed when they disobeyed the orders of their masters. In every way, the enslavement of blacks that Lee and Davis fought to perpetuate is much more severe than any kind of enslavement that contemporary Muslim governments, however brutal and despotic, would currently inflict against their people.
To be sure, I do not compare the Confederate leadership to terrorists. Davis and Lee never waged a war against civilians, and in their personal lives historians tell us they were scrupulous gentleman. Lee in particular was instrumental in getting his fellow Southerners to lay down their weapons after Appomattox rather than contuing a guerrilla struggle from the mountains of the West. But the cause for which these men fought was just as odious as that for which terrorists would lay down their lives today.
It is high time for the United States to remove statues of Confederate leaders. And for those who say that removing such statues would be an affront to free speech, I would respond, are there any statues of Benedict Arnold in the United States? And would anyone dare erect one? And yet Arnold's treachery against the United States was child's play compared to the damage caused by Davis, Lee, and Jackson.
The great men of the Civil War were not the rebels, but those who fought to preserve the unity of this great nation rather than to tear it asunder. The great men of that terrible war were those who ultimately freed the slaves from bondage--most notably Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman--rather than those whose victory would have had fellow Americans owned as beasts of burden by their countrymen.
The idea that any southern state capitol would fly the Confederate flag offends the sensibilities and perpetuates racial division. Did we forget that it is the symbol of rebellion against the authority of the United States and stands for hatred of America?
I know that this is a hot-button issue, and that there are some state capitols that want to incorporate the Confederate battle flag into theirs because, they argue, the Confederacy is an integral part of their history. Indeed it is. But is the wrong history, the worst kind of history that could be perpetuated. While I would never compare the Confederacy to Nazi Germany--there are, after all, gradations of evil, and the Confederacy did not approach the inhuman slaughter by Hitler's minions--no one would accept a historical argument for incorporating the Nazi flag into modern Germany's flag. Modern Germany is rightly ashamed of its past and the symbols of that past.
In the same way our country could never remain the United States if the South had gained the upper hand, likewise we cannot be a great country if we romanticize those who fought an evil rebellion whose ultimate objective was the perpetuation of America's foremost moral sin.
Which leads me to another conundrum. Many of the Southerners who romanticize the Confederacy are religious Christians who lead lives devoted to moral excellence. How is it possible that they would make heroes of men who betrayed the Bible's essential message: that G-d is the father of all humankind, and all of us therefore are equal before Him?
There is no easy answer to this question. Some would say that the original sin of the Confederacy's Christians was to talk themselves into believing that slavery was really a benevolent institution, granting support, food, and shelter to a population who they believed could not fend for themselves. The perpetuation of that sin would be lionizing the Confederate leaders and believing that it does not offend the South's black citizens or undermine its morality. Still others would say that when G-d-fearing Christians honor the Confederate leaders today, they do so as a means of honoring the South and a lost way of life rather than focusing on slavery. It's collective amnesia. The horrors of slavery have been forgotten and only the charm of the old South has remained.
But all these answers ring hollow. For people of religion should be lionizing only those whose lives captured the divine ideals that they hold dear. And those who fought to preserve slavery, to use an understatement, simply don't make the grade.
When religious southern Christians engage in nostalgia for the Confederacy, they are making the mistake of putting Southern sentiment before religious conviction, in effect elevating an inferior part of their identity over the most central part. Regional loyalty must never come before eternal principle.
[I]Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is the director of the L'Chaim Society, a Jewish education organization that hosts world figures and statesmen lecturing on values-based leadership. He is also a nationally syndicated radio host on the Talk America network. He is the author of a number of books, including "Kosher Sex: A Recipe for Passion and Intimacy," "Dating Secrets of the Ten Commandments," "Why Can't I Fall in Love," and, most recently, "Judaism for Everyone: Renewing your Life through the Vibrant Lessons of the Jewish Faith." A winner of the annual "preacher of the year" contest sponsored by the Times of London, he was formerly rabbi of Oxford University.[/I]
[QUOTE]POLL
Following Germany's ban on Nazi symbols, should displaying Confederate symbols be illegal in the United States?
2005-08-10 08:52 | User Profile
Other Columns and articles by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
[B]Not So Bad? [/B] Jun 16, 2005 There is value in finding the good in Michael Jackson, now that his trial is behind him.
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[B]Face Your Fear [/B] May 4, 2005 Seven essential tips to proclaim your freedom from fear and get your life back.
[B]Pimping Our Children[/B] Apr 29, 2005 In the Michael Jackson trial, there are no innocent parties, except the children who have been exploited by their mothers.
[B]The Pope Who Loved Too Much[/B] Apr 5, 2005 What a pity that a holy leader like Pope John Paul II overflowed with love, even toward murderers and terrorists.
[B]Michael Schiavo, Model of Spousal Devotion? [/B] Mar 23, 2005 Terri Schiavo's husband has fought fearlessly, taking his case to the highest authorities—all for the wrong goal.
[B]More Mannequin Than Man?[/B] Feb 7, 2005 Michael Jackson sacrificed his humanity in his relentless quest for fame.
[B]The Unkindest Cut[/B] Feb 1, 2005 PETA's dirty war against kosher ritual slaughter distorts Judaism's reverence for animals.
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[B]An Abominable Christmas[/B] Dec 17, 2004 The American war between the religious and the secular is ruining the holiday spirit.
[B]Reforming 'Hate' Radio[/B] Dec 1, 2004 Talk show hosts know that the medium itself pushes you to extremes.
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[B]Great Leaders Inspire the People to be Courageous, Not Afraid [/B] Oct 20, 2004 Bush and Kerry should campaign from the greatest freedom--the freedom from fear.
[B]Fear-Based Tactics[/B] Oct 20, 2004 Bush and Kerry should campaign on the greatest freedom--the freedom from fear.
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[B]Burning Bush: The President and His Enemies[/B] Mar 25, 2004 In the clash of cultures, President Bush is the one who got 'the vision thing' right.
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[B]Mel, Where Art Thou? [/B] Feb 5, 2004 The once-admirable Gibson is staking his career on portraying Jews as demonic god-killers.
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[B]Should Israel Be the 51st State? [/B] Oct 15, 2003 A crazy, logical step whose time has come.
[B]When Did Madonna Become a Rabbi?[/B] Oct 10, 2003 Judaism shouldn't need to depend on depraved pop cultural icons to make it appeal to the masses.
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2005-08-10 09:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE]**Time to End the Lies ** Feb 17, 2004 I love my Christian brethren, but won't allow the lie that Jews killed Jesus to go unchallenged, even if it's 'just a movie.'
**Back to Square One? ** Feb 11, 2004 Shmuley to evangelicals: Just when we thought it was safe to be friends, 'The Passion' threatens Christian-Jewish understanding.[/QUOTE] This is too funny, but the piece that precedes it here is just sad.
[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [QUOTE]But the cause for which these men fought was just as odious[/QUOTE] The Rabbi cannot be unaware of the fact that there is nothing in Judaism which prohibits slavery. And on the same topic, would he really think that the ancient Hebrews and their avarice, genocide, slavery and war compare favorably to the Confederacy? I like this one
[/size][/font][/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [QUOTE]While I would never compare the Confederacy to Nazi Germany--[/QUOTE] So, even though he admits that they are two very different subjects, he brings up a Nazi reference, just for good measure and rhetorical convience. There is nothing like being duped and being told as much at the same time
[/size][/font][/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font] [QUOTE][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2]rebellion whose ultimate objective was the perpetuation of America's foremost moral sin.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/QUOTE] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2].
I would love to see compared estimates of total slaves in the USA vs slaves owned by Jews throughout history. [/size][/font][/size][/font] [QUOTE][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [/size][/font][/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2]How is it possible that they would make heroes of men who betrayed the Bible's essential message: that G-d is the father of all humankind, and all of us therefore are equal before Him? [/size][/font][/size][/font][/QUOTE] [size=1][font=Arial][size=2]They don't spell God with a dash in the middle, first of all; it is always amusing when people are given a religious lecture from someone of a totally different religion.
The whole premise is implicit in the title, [/size][/font][/size][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][size=2]The Sin of Confederate Hero Worship[/size]. [size=2]He presumes to tell Christians what is sin.[/size][/size][/font]
[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2][QUOTE]Regional loyalty must never come before eternal principle.[/QUOTE] There is no need to comment on this, but the audacity, just the audacity that he gets away with when so many will see this and be blissfully unaware of the hypocrite he becomes by making this statement is utterly disgusting. Just like when he is playing dumb, as here, where he asks in essence, what gives Southerners the right to care about their own heritage. [/size][/font][/size][/font]
[QUOTE][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [/size][/font][/size][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2]What consistently baffles me in making these visits is the romanticization of the Confederacy that continues 140 years after the war's end. .[/size][/font][/size][/font][/QUOTE] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [QUOTE] As an American who loves his country, I am appalled by the persistence of Confederate hero worship in the South 140 years after the Civil War's end.[/QUOTE] 140 years is probably almost twice as long as his family showed up on these shores in a steerage-load, (and 140 miles is probably much further away than he ever goes from a metropolitan area) though he has carte-blanche say-so to tell people whose families have been here for centuries what to think of their own past. But though he is the arbiter of the past and religion of another people, no one else gets that right with him: Look at some of those other titles
[/size][/font][/size][/font] [QUOTE][color=#333333] Keeping kosher civilizes the savage beast within us all[/color]
[color=#333333] PETA's dirty war against kosher ritual slaughter distorts Judaism's reverence for animals.
[/color][color=#333333] The once-admirable Gibson is staking his career on portraying Jews as demonic god-killers.[/color] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2] [/size][/font][/size][/font][color=#333333] The Kabbalah Centre does a great job of promoting Jewish mysticism to the masses. But its brand of kabbalah is not Judaism.[/color][/QUOTE] [color=#333333]
[/color][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=arial][size=2]It is very hard to not take some satisfaction when he whines about others doing the same thing he seems to do for a living. [/size][/font][/size][/font]
2005-08-10 09:53 | User Profile
Doncha love that 'poll'?
The Confederacy was: a. EVIL b. HATEFUL c. ODIOUS d. ALL OF THE ABOVE
PS: if you think this slice o' Shmuley is unbelievably arrogant, try another:
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125281#post125281[/url]
2005-08-10 12:26 | User Profile
IR,
Note aside: August 10th. I know this is a sad day for "christian" Zionists and Zionists who are mouth frothing readers of Joseph Farah and Jamie Glazov. No Jesus and no bombs going off in the US. I just love these fearmongers.