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Thread ID: 19331 | Posts: 62 | Started: 2005-07-29
2005-07-29 20:44 | User Profile
I don't necessarilly agree with [I]everything[/I] in this article, but it's certainly worth reading. [url]http://www.barnesreview.org/Nobel_Prize/nobel_prize.html[/url]
2005-07-30 00:04 | User Profile
I don't think a mass murderer qualifies as a candidate for the Nobel Prize. :hitler:
2005-07-30 00:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=kminta]I don't think a mass murderer qualifies as a candidate for the Nobel Prize. :hitler:[/QUOTE]Why? It never stopped them before:
[url]http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/index.html[/url]
2005-07-30 03:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=kminta]I don't think a mass murderer qualifies as a candidate for the Nobel Prize. :hitler:[/QUOTE]
Killing the enemy is only common sense.
2005-07-30 04:36 | User Profile
Yeah, a guy who made service in the army a requirement for male citizenship deserves that prize. That's it! :thumbd:
I actually think it is pretty cool and quite entertaining that they have articles like that but when push comes to shove I don't agree with it.
2005-07-30 16:38 | User Profile
Regarding World Jewry....His words become more prophetic every day. :yes:
2005-07-30 19:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]I don't necessarilly agree with [I]everything[/I] in this article, but it's certainly worth reading. [url]http://www.barnesreview.org/Nobel_Prize/nobel_prize.html[/url][/QUOTE]I'd heard of Barnes Review, but didn't realize it was a Carto publication. That sort of explains it.
I suspect it is sort of a Carto version of the IHR and where he'd wanted the IHR to lead - more sensational and attention grabbing, but less reliable and more prone to include some Third Reich WWII propaganda, like "the Poles shot first" line, without the appropriate degree of review. More like [I]The Spotlight[/I] I guess.
2005-07-30 21:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'd heard of Barnes Review, but didn't realize it was a Carto publication. That sort of explains it.
I suspect it is sort of a Carto version of the IHR and where he'd wanted the IHR to lead - more sensational and attention grabbing, but less reliable and more prone to include some Third Reich WWII propaganda, like "the Poles shot first" line, without the appropriate degree of review. More like The Spotlight I guess.[/QUOTE] I don't know why Pro Third Reich propaganda bothers you so much? The rest of the media is so heavily saturated with Anti Third Reich propaganda, why not add a little balance to the situation? :hitler:
2005-07-31 01:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]I don't know why Pro Third Reich propaganda bothers you so much? The rest of the media is so heavily saturated with Anti Third Reich propaganda, why not add a little balance to the situation? :hitler:[/QUOTE]Two lies don't make a truth.
2005-07-31 01:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Two lies don't make a truth.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of lies told about Hitler and the Third Reich, and there's nothing wrong with debunking those lies, Okie.
That said, however, Carto's publications are noted more for their sensationalism and hucksterism than for their rigorous adherence to the rules of evidence. In spite of the slime people like Weber have received from Carto supporters, it was definitely a good thing that the IHR did not fall into Carto's control.
2005-07-31 02:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=kminta]I don't think a mass murderer qualifies as a candidate for the Nobel Prize. :hitler:[/QUOTE]
Why not? Nobel was the inventor of TNT.
2005-07-31 02:28 | User Profile
ha ha ha. Shitler???? nobel prize winner?????? please, people, don't make yourselves sound like fukktart's!!!! you are better than that.
2005-07-31 02:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Two lies don't make a truth.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen any lies from Barnes Review so far other than the ridiculously fake Gestapo Mueller books. Which lies are you speaking of? This is what I don't understand about the Anti-Hitler people on the forum: you don't come right out and say specifically what you don't like about Hitler, you just have this elusive Anti-Hitler vibe which you depict as some unspoken truthful feeling that everyone else is supposed to have, and when they don't mind-read and agree with your similar emotions you spit back at them, "NAZI WORSHIPPER!" :thumbd:
2005-07-31 02:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]ha ha ha. Shitler???? nobel prize winner?????? please, people, don't make yourselves sound like fukktart's!!!! you are better than that.[/QUOTE] This one has the language of a definite TROLL. :caiphas:
2005-07-31 02:54 | User Profile
Otto, if you meant by that smiley that I was Jewish, I am most certainly not.
2005-07-31 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]Otto, if you meant by that smiley that I was Jewish, I am most certainly not.[/QUOTE] Then don't use such gutter language, negro. :afro:
2005-07-31 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]I haven't seen any lies from Barnes Review so far other than the ridiculously fake Gestapo Mueller books. Which lies are you speaking of? This is what I don't understand about the Anti-Hitler people on the forum: you don't come right out and say specifically what you don't like about Hitler, you just have this elusive Anti-Hitler vibe which you depict as some unspoken truthful feeling that everyone else is supposed to have, and when they don't mind-read and agree with your similar emotions you spit back at them, "NAZI WORSHIPPER!" :thumbd:[/QUOTE] I will tell you exactly what I don't like about that devil-worshipping fool: he was a **mass-murderer. **
2005-07-31 03:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]I will tell you exactly what I don't like about that devil-worshipping fool: he was a mass-murderer. [/QUOTE] Devil worship? Sources please? :wacko:
2005-07-31 03:05 | User Profile
What gutter language, caucasian?:frown:
2005-07-31 03:07 | User Profile
Otto, did you not know how heavily into the occult Schicklegruber and his cronies were? Search the net, you will find the answers.
2005-07-31 03:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]Otto, did you not know how heavily into the occult Schicklegruber and his cronies were? Search the net, you will find the answers.[/QUOTE] And you saw this from some TV show, right? I find it interesting that someone considers Astrology as the same thing as Devil worship...
2005-07-31 03:25 | User Profile
Asstrology was forbidden by my Father, as a practice of Babylon.
2005-07-31 03:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]Asstrology was forbidden by my Father, as a practice of Babylon.[/QUOTE] Christmas trees are Pagan symbols too, why not round those up and burn them? :furious:
2005-07-31 03:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]I will tell you exactly what I don't like about that devil-worshipping fool: he was a mass-murderer. [/QUOTE]
And Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Mao?
2005-07-31 03:32 | User Profile
I knew all about X-mas trees, satan claws and all of that. Indeed, let us burn that.
2005-07-31 03:49 | User Profile
Logging off now. CU 2morra nite.
2005-07-31 03:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]And Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Mao?[/QUOTE] Yes indeed, the bombing of Dresden wasn't exactly a symbol of Churchill's love for humanity. :yucky:
2005-07-31 03:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]Devil worship? Sources please? :wacko:[/QUOTE]Poetry Hitler wrote in Vienna makes his interest in the occult and witchcraft pretty clear.
2005-07-31 03:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]ha ha ha. Shitler???? nobel prize winner?????? please, people, don't make yourselves sound like fukktart's!!!! you are better than that.[/QUOTE]
Why do you call him "Shitler?"
2005-07-31 04:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Poetry Hitler wrote in Vienna makes his interest in the occult and witchcraft pretty clear.[/QUOTE] My older sister had a witch phase in her Sophomore year of High School, so what? I don't think it proves anything long term, and I wouldn't say that it makes her a lifelong Devil worshipper.
2005-07-31 04:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]Yes indeed, the bombing of Dresden wasn't exactly a symbol of Churchill's love for humanity. :yucky:[/QUOTE]
No. A city full of noncombatants: women, children, wounded. When it came to war crimes the Allies were second to none, which is one of the reasons they are so intent on exaggerating the atrocities committed by Germans.
2005-07-31 05:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]No. A city full of noncombatants: women, children, wounded. When it came to war crimes the Allies were second to none, which is one of the reasons they are so intent on exaggerating the atrocities committed by Germans.[/QUOTE] FDR, Churchill and world Jewry dragged the world into WWII, resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent White people and the enslavement of millions more White people under communism in Hungary, Romania, etc., after that war. And yet all some people can do is point out Hitler's few faults.
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2005-07-31 05:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Josef Dirte]Logging off now. CU 2morra nite.[/QUOTE] The hell you will. Go troll elsewhere. :twisted:
2005-07-31 12:32 | User Profile
In my research I've found quotes by Adolf Hitler like these below. Make of them what you will...But I guarantee you won't find them in our school history books.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned me to fight against them...In boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read through this passage which tells us how the Lord rose at last in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders."
"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather the question is whether Christianity stands or falls...We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the idea of Christianity...in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."
"Reich Chancellor Hitler still belongs to the Catholic Church and has no intentions of leaving it."
"The priest in politics we shall eliminate...we shall give him back to the pulpit and the altar."
Sources: ~A Scripps Howard News Service weekly religious column written by Terry Mattingly, a teacher at Milligan College in Tennessee, February 20, 1999
~The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity 1919-1945, Richard Steigmann-Gall, 2004, P. 60 & 61, Cambridge University Press
~The Fuhrer, Konrad Heiden, 1944, P. 494, Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc.
"Fear nothing but Sin"
2005-07-31 14:08 | User Profile
If Herr Hitler was the Theird Reich then which ones did he called the first and second?.....I know, do you? :jester:
2005-07-31 15:40 | User Profile
First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire 962-1806.
Second Reich was called the Bismarckian Empire 1871-1918.
Ain't I a :smartass: ?
Have a nice day Ponce!
2005-07-31 19:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]In my research I've found quotes by Adolf Hitler like these below. Make of them what you will...But I guarantee you won't find them in our school history books.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned me to fight against them...In boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read through this passage which tells us how the Lord rose at last in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders."
"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather the question is whether Christianity stands or falls...We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the idea of Christianity...in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."
"Reich Chancellor Hitler still belongs to the Catholic Church and has no intentions of leaving it."
"The priest in politics we shall eliminate...we shall give him back to the pulpit and the altar."
Sources: ~A Scripps Howard News Service weekly religious column written by Terry Mattingly, a teacher at Milligan College in Tennessee, February 20, 1999
~The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity 1919-1945, Richard Steigmann-Gall, 2004, P. 60 & 61, Cambridge University Press
~The Fuhrer, Konrad Heiden, 1944, P. 494, Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc.
"Fear nothing but Sin"[/QUOTE]Hitler never said a negative word about Jesus Christ in his entire life. Your quotes are correct, Hitler criticized the Christian church and their corrupt politics but he never turned against Jesus. And why shouldn't he criticize the church? They encouraged race-mixing between African (Negro) Catholics and White Catholics and they still do!
2005-07-31 20:12 | User Profile
Ha. Everything on this board always gets driven back to the subject of religion.
As though Hitler's opinions on Christianity have anything to do with the Nobel Peace Prize!
I'll get back to my earlier point: if Woodrow Wilson, Henry Kissinger, Menachem Begin, etc., are "men of peace" then that just shows you what a worthless "prize" the Noble Peace Prize is.
2005-07-31 22:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]And Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Mao?[/QUOTE] Don't forget Eisenhower.
2005-07-31 23:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]Don't forget Eisenhower.[/QUOTE]
Those starvation camps of his were not exactly Christian, were they? How many millions of Germans was it that the victorious Allies sold into slavery and death in Russia?
2005-07-31 23:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Those starvation camps of his were not exactly Christian, were they? How many millions of Germans was it that the victorious Allies sold into slavery and death in Russia?[/QUOTE] New posters here: read about Eisenhower's "Operation Keelhaul."
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2005-08-01 00:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Those starvation camps of his were not exactly Christian, were they? How many millions of Germans was it that the victorious Allies sold into slavery and death in Russia?[/QUOTE] You know, I find it really unusual that we have these so called White Nationalists on the forum who have rejected everything else from the Jewish controlled mass media: Feminism, Gays, Blacks, etc..and yet their view of Hitler and the Third Reich is straight out of Hollywood's Goldwyn studios. They reject so many Jewish agendas, but the ultimate Jewish agenda of Anti-Hitler, they retain that because they want to be good little soldiers for the Allies just like their fathers and grandfathers brainwashed them into believing in. They still want to fight that war against Hitler and "liberate" France and occupy Germany and burn all of those Nazi racial textbooks.
These very same 'patriots' want to criticize France and Germany because those countries in 2005 "are Anti-American". Well, I wonder who made France and Germany the Liberal Socialist slime-pits that they are today? THE 'GLORIOUS' INVADING ALLIES!!!! :thumbd:
The next time some bonehead makes fun of France for having millions of ARABS living there ask them if they support D-Day and the "liberation" of France? If they say yes, then it is THEIR FAULT that Arabs are there today because under a victorious Third Reich those minorities would not be in Western Europe.
2005-08-01 00:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]You know, I find it really unusual that we have these so called White Nationalists on the forum who have rejected everything else from the Jewish controlled mass media: Feminism, Gays, Blacks, etc..and yet their view of Hitler and the Third Reich is straight out of Hollywood's Goldwyn studios. They reject so many Jewish agendas, but the ultimate Jewish agenda of Anti-Hitler, they retain that because they want to be good little soldiers for the Allies just like their fathers and grandfathers brainwashed them into believing in. They still want to fight that war against Hitler and "liberate" France and occupy Germany and burn all of those Nazi racial textbooks.
These very same 'patriots' want to criticize France and Germany because those countries in 2005 "are Anti-American". Well, I wonder who made France and Germany the Liberal Socialist slime-pits that they are today? THE 'GLORIOUS' INVADING ALLIES!!!! :thumbd:
The next time some bonehead makes fun of France for having millions of ARABS living there ask them if they support D-Day and the "liberation" of France? If they say yes, then it is THEIR FAULT that Arabs are there today because under a victorious Third Reich those minorities would not be in Western Europe.[/QUOTE] The "Hitler-as-bad-guy" attitudes are everywhere, both on the left-wing [I]and [/I]the right-wing of the American political spectrum. That is very sad.
In fact, Hitler is so over-demonized in the West that it is almost hard to believe.
2005-08-01 04:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire 962-1806.
Second Reich was called the Bismarckian Empire 1871-1918.
Ain't I a :smartass: ?
Have a nice day Ponce![/QUOTE]
Very good buddy. :cheers:
2005-08-01 09:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE]You know, I find it really unusual that we have these so called White Nationalists on the forum who have rejected everything else from the Jewish controlled mass media: Feminism, Gays, Blacks, etc..and yet their view of Hitler and the Third Reich is straight out of Hollywood's Goldwyn studios. They reject so many Jewish agendas, but the ultimate Jewish agenda of Anti-Hitler, they retain that because they want to be good little soldiers for the Allies just like their fathers and grandfathers brainwashed them into believing in. They still want to fight that war against Hitler and "liberate" France and occupy Germany and burn all of those Nazi racial textbooks. [/QUOTE] Otto,
The board was originally established as a Paleoconservative board. It is not Stormfront. While there are a number of White Nationalists on this board, there are a number of people who arenââ¬â¢t. Reading what you wrote isnââ¬â¢t going to encourage them to become one either.
I donââ¬â¢t find anything unusual about folks disliking Jews and their agenda and disliking the Nazis as well. Furthermore, if you were born in America, running down all those who fought in WW II for the US doesnââ¬â¢t make you look too good. I donââ¬â¢t think there are too many people here that really want to re-fight WW II. Instead, it has been my experience that it is some of the Neo-Nazis that wander over here that are constantly trying to do that. Iââ¬â¢ll point something out for you to think about. You are doing exactly what these Neocons love to see. Youââ¬â¢re starting in the middle of the 20th Century instead of the beginning of WW I. That is when all this mess got started. It would have been far better if the Europeans had stopped this nonsense on their own and for the US to stay out as well. Then again, perhaps you are a mirror of those who believes that all US history begins the ââ¬Åcivil rights movementââ¬Â and the ââ¬Åholocaustââ¬Â. In your case I suspect you believe all history begins on 30 January, 1933 in Germany.
[QUOTE]The next time some bonehead makes fun of France for having millions of ARABS living there ask them if they support D-Day and the "liberation" of France? If they say yes, then it is THEIR FAULT that Arabs are there today because under a victorious Third Reich those minorities would not be in Western Europe. [/QUOTE] No, itââ¬â¢s their own damn fault. The most important factor facing a nation is whether it can win a war under the worst case scenario. By the way, there is little criticism of these countries on this board. When you do more reading, youââ¬â¢ll see this.
ââ¬ÅOttoRââ¬Â? Let me guess. Otto Remer.
2005-08-01 12:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Otto,
The board was originally established as a Paleoconservative board. It is not Stormfront. While there are a number of White Nationalists on this board, there are a number of people who arenââ¬â¢t. Reading what you wrote isnââ¬â¢t going to encourage them to become one either.
I donââ¬â¢t find anything unusual about folks disliking Jews and their agenda and disliking the Nazis as well. Furthermore, if you were born in America, running down all those who fought in WW II for the US doesnââ¬â¢t make you look too good. I donââ¬â¢t think there are too many people here that really want to re-fight WW II. Instead, it has been my experience that it is some of the Neo-Nazis that wander over here that are constantly trying to do that. Iââ¬â¢ll point something out for you to think about. You are doing exactly what these Neocons love to see. Youââ¬â¢re starting in the middle of the 20th Century instead of the beginning of WW I. That is when all this mess got started. It would have been far better if the Europeans had stopped this nonsense on their own and for the US to stay out as well. Then again, perhaps you are a mirror of those who believes that all US history begins the ââ¬Åcivil rights movementââ¬Â and the ââ¬Åholocaustââ¬Â. In your case I suspect you believe all history begins on 30 January, 1933 in Germany.
No, itââ¬â¢s their own damn fault. The most important factor facing a nation is whether it can win a war under the worst case scenario. By the way, there is little criticism of these countries on this board. When you do more reading, youââ¬â¢ll see this.
ââ¬ÅOttoRââ¬Â? Let me guess. Otto Remer.[/QUOTE] Okay, I didn't mean to come on so strongly but I get angry at times because as a German-American who has read over 500+ books about the European politics of the 1920's-1940's I never quite understand what the fanatical Anti-Hitler attitudes are based on. I have no complaints when Slavic peoples whose native lands were directly threatened by Nazi expansionism step up and declare Hitler as an evil that needed to be stopped for the sake of their own ethnic homelands. However, if anyone doesn't believe me, read [u]Mein Kampf[/u], Hitler wanted an alliance with Great Britain in which the two powers (Germany/Great Britain) would work together to protect Europe from Soviet expansion. I have an American Encyclopedia from 1937 and in the article on Germany it says that Hitler's goal is to gain eastward expansion. So if Americans knew this in 1937, how did the world domination lie of Hitler is a Demon stuff become so widely believed? The only reason the war moved into Western Europe AT ALL is because Britain and France declared war on Germany. At that point Germany then had to change their strategy completely and they were forced to follow the British all over the world, into Africa and possibly the Middle East in an attempt to score a major victory which would pressure the British government into peace talks.
So have I missed something? This is the evil Hitler that is supposedly going to march right down Pennsylvania Avenue with his S.S. hordes? Bratislava and Kiev are a long way from D.C.
To Americans who didn't realize that Britain and France declared war on Germany it must have looked pretty bad to see the Germans invading France and bombing London, but once again those countries had CHOSEN to make war on Germany and the Germans could not have their war against the U.S.S.R. until the western nations, who had voluntarily made themselves enemies, were defeated or at least neutralized.
I don't think it is too much to ask from people for them to at least detail why they hate Hitler? Is it? Is it because he was ugly? Had a stupid mustache? Screamed too loudly in his speeches? Wore a scary swastika armband?
**One hypocrisy I will never understand: it was fine for Britain to control India and huge parts of Africa and much of the Middle East, but it was very wrong for the Germans to invade Poland?** :huh:
I didn't know that it was America's God-given role in the world to maintain the European balance of power in favor of Britain? How would George Washington feel about that?
In the 1950's former British parliament member Archibald Ramsay wrote a book called [u]The Nameless War[/u]. In a later part of the book Mr. Ramsay describes how when he discussed Hitler with people after the war was ended it was obvious that none of them had actually read [u]Mein Kampf[/u] which means that hundreds of thousands of British servicemen had most likely gone to their deaths without even knowing the Nazi war aims? That is a sad indictment of our state of education or lack of in the west and it is horrible to think that it still exists like that even today.
What will happen when Israel drags us into their final bloody battle against Iran or Syria? Are Americans just going to sit there and go like lambs to the slaughter without knowing the causes of that war also???
Now having concluded with this, I ask that the administrators not ban me as I promise I won't bring the subject up again.
And I do agree that we should focus more on what unites us here rather than what divides us. :smoke:
2005-08-01 13:34 | User Profile
Otto,
You surprised me. I'm used to dealing with folks that know next to nothing about WW II. That is an excellent, well informed reply. [QUOTE]So have I missed something? This is the evil Hitler that is supposedly going to march right down Pennsylvania Avenue with his S.S. hordes? Bratislava and Kiev are a long way from D.C.[/QUOTE] Nope, not anything that I can see. I happen to agree with you on this. There has been more b.s. written about Hitler than any other man, I believe. You and I have something in common. I, too, have a sizable collection of books on this subjectand have been studying it since the 8th grade.
Don't think about being banned. You understood my point about troops and distinguishing them from horrid political "leadership" and that was the main purpose for my post. WW I and II was a disaster to the West.
Welcome to the board.
2005-08-01 13:34 | User Profile
Two books you might want to read:
[url="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nameindx.htm"]http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nameindx.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.stormfront.org/iron_curtain/contents.html"]http://www.stormfront.org/iron_curtain/contents.html[/url]
2005-08-01 13:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Otto,
You surprised me. I'm used to dealing with folks that know next to nothing about WW II. That is an excellent, well informed reply.
Nope, not anything that I can see. I happen to agree with you on this. There has been more b.s. written about Hitler than any other man, I believe. You and I have something in common. I, too, have a sizable collection of books on this subjectand have been studying it since the 8th grade.
Don't think about being banned. You understood my point about troops and distinguishing them from horrid political "leadership" and that was the main purpose for my post. WW I and II was a disaster to the West.
Welcome to the board.[/QUOTE] Thanks! :cheers:
2005-08-01 14:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]So have I missed something? This is the evil Hitler that is supposedly going to march right down Pennsylvania Avenue with his S.S. hordes? Bratislava and Kiev are a long way from D.C. You miss a lot Otto, in spite of all the books you read. :wink: Sure I won't change your mind on it all.
[QUOTE]I don't think it is too much to ask from people for them to at least detail why they hate Hitler? Is it? Is it because he was ugly? Had a stupid mustache? Screamed too loudly in his speeches? Wore a scary swastika armband?[/QUOTE]Sure. This is a media age, and he was a media caricature. He gave the Walter Winchell's of the world perfect ammunition.
[QUOTE] One hypocrisy I will never understand: it was fine for Britain to control India and huge parts of Africa and much of the Middle East, but it was very wrong for the Germans to invade Poland? :huh: [/QUOTE] More than one, Otto :biggrin:
2005-08-01 14:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]You miss a lot Otto, in spite of all the books you read. :wink: Sure I won't change your mind on it all.
Sure. This is a media age, and he was a media caricature. He gave the Walter Winchell's of the world perfect ammunition.
More than one, Otto :biggrin:[/QUOTE] Hitler was merely undoing the 1919 Versailles Treaty with his [I]pre-war[/I] invasions. Our U.S. Senate refused to ratify that treaty [what a gem that treaty must have been].
2005-08-01 15:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Hitler was merely undoing the 1919 Versailles Treaty with his [I]pre-war[/I] invasions. Our U.S. Senate refused to ratify that treaty [what a gem that treaty must have been].
---------[/QUOTE]I'll let you two genuises mutually commensurate.:hitler: :wacko:
2005-08-01 16:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'll let you two genuises mutually commensurate.:hitler: :wacko:[/QUOTE]
I don't understand the point of some of these threads. Isn't the default position that Hitler's Germany was the most noble and the U.S.A. the most evil of all nations in the history of mankind?
Who out there doesn't understand this by now?
2005-08-01 16:38 | User Profile
France has their Arabs and we have our Mexicans (and their Ponce), so what?
About the war on Herr Hitler, I really don't know what to think about it, what with all that I now read in the WWW is hard to believe any longer what the truth is.
The same goes for Japans attack on Hawaii, I understand that the US cut the oil supply going to Japan on purpose and that the US also knew that Japam was on their way to attack the 7th fleet in Hawaii.
Even though I have been living in this country for the past 53 years it looks like I really don't know anything about the US government black side, I mean if the war in Iraq is a sample. :furious:
2005-08-01 23:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I don't understand the point of some of these threads. Isn't the default position that Hitler's Germany was the most noble and the U.S.A. the most evil of all nations in the history of mankind?
Who out there doesn't understand this by now?[/QUOTE] Well, Tex is correct in a way. By the 1930s, American women could vote and people named Goldsilverbergwitzfeldbaum had risen to great heights in our government while they called the U.S. a "democracy," which it is not [it is a republic designed and built for White males, as the laws of our Founders' era clearly show].
Meanwhile, over in Europe, Hitler was passing laws barring Jews from working in government offices, and he later banned them from being citizens. Good job, Adolf. Why didn't other countries do that?
Granted, I have left out all the good things about America, even if many of those things, as Goebbels said, were "stolen" from European culture, e.g. hamburgers.
That isn't designed to sound anti-American, although some people might see it that way.
In summary, American had a real chance to preserve its White heritage in the 1930s, and it failed completely. How very sad that is.
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2005-08-02 00:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Isn't the default position that Hitler's Germany was the most noble and the U.S.A. the most evil of all nations in the history of mankind?
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No, that is not the default position. Of the 4 dictators: Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, and Stalin the worst of the bunch was not Hitler, it was probably Stalin, and he was our ally. The default position of post WWII history is that Hitler was the worst man to have ever lived, the incarnation of absolute evil. The point of some of these threads is to debunk that myth.
2005-08-02 01:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]No, that is not the default position. Of the 4 dictators: Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, and Stalin the worst of the bunch was not Hitler, it was probably Stalin, and he was our ally. The default position of post WWII history is that Hitler was the worst man to have ever lived, the incarnation of absolute evil. The point of some of these threads is to debunk that myth.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, B. I meant on this board. Y'all are just preachin' to the choir here.
2005-08-02 02:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Sorry, B. I meant on this board. Y'all are just preachin' to the choir here.[/QUOTE]
You are of German ancestory too are you not?
2005-08-02 04:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]No, that is not the default position. Of the 4 dictators: Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, and Stalin the worst of the bunch was not Hitler, it was probably Stalin, and he was our ally. The default position of post WWII history is that Hitler was the worst man to have ever lived, the incarnation of absolute evil. The point of some of these threads is to debunk that myth.[/QUOTE]Correct, we don't understand the hysterical myth of Hitler hatred which exists so deeply in the masses. How much of this myth is merely White acceptance of the Jewish image of him? Unfortunately all Hitler programs, books, etc..of "elite" caliber are processed with the Jewish seal of approval. Even that recent CBS mini-series about "The Young Hitler" was forcibly Judaized and given the subtitle: [u]The Rise of Evil[/u]. The inclusion of the word "evil" was demanded by Abraham Foxmann of the ADL. So all of what we see in the mainstream about Hitler comes with a Jewish stamp of approval in terms of its content. I don't know why more people aren't upset over this, what happened to standards of accuracy?
Watch the History Channel, nothing is portrayed more Black/White-Good/Evil than the topic of Hitler and the Nazis. Anyone else..Julius Caesar, Caligula, Nero, Genghis Khan, Ivan The Terrible, etc...they will mention GOOD POINTS in broadcasts about these people but with Hitler the entire show is slanted 100% EVIL.
Personally I would be insulted even if I didn't like Hitler, I would feel that I was being treated like a child by the creators of the program.
An ADL approved depiction of Hitler is like a safety seal on a bottle of Tylenol that says "keep away from small children". "Judaized for your protection!"
Sorry Jews, but I left diapers a long time ago. :smartass:
2005-08-02 04:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Well, Tex is correct in a way. By the 1930s, American women could vote and people named Goldsilverbergwitzfeldbaum had risen to great heights in our government while they called the U.S. a "democracy," which it is not [it is a republic designed and built for White males, as the laws of our Founders' era clearly show].
Meanwhile, over in Europe, Hitler was passing laws barring Jews from working in government offices, and he later banned them from being citizens. Good job, Adolf. Why didn't other countries do that?
Granted, I have left out all the good things about America, even if many of those things, as Goebbels said, were "stolen" from European culture, e.g. hamburgers.
That isn't designed to sound anti-American, although some people might see it that way.
In summary, American had a real chance to preserve its White heritage in the 1930s, and it failed completely. How very sad that is.
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The American Fascist movement of the 1930's was extremely small and probably had at maximum 50,000 members if you exclude the German American Bund whose members had mostly just recently arrived here from Germany.
2005-08-02 09:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]FDR, Churchill and world Jewry dragged the world into WWII If you believe that, then you must deny Poland's right to sovereignty, as well as confer legitimacy on Soviet land grabbing in the baltics and Finland. I have nothing against Germany or Russia, though I suspect if I were a Pole, that might not be the case.
My own position is that all power blocs, Axis, Communists, and Western Democracies, were all to varying degrees, serving the interests of finance, and that there could have been no ' good' outcome to the war, post Nazi-Soviet pact.
[QUOTE]The default position of post WWII
history is that Hitler was the worst man to have ever lived, the incarnation of absolute evil.[/QUOTE] That is cartoonish silliness, and propaganda-laden irrationality but if the Table Talk and other sources are correct, it is hard to accept Hitler as a particularly well-intentioned or benign ruler, either.
[QUOTE]Stalin, and he was our ally.[/QUOTE] He may have been the worst of all of them, but he was once Hitler's ally. The USSR supplied Germany with fuel it used in the Battle of Britain. Strangely enough, had their alliance lasted, Germany may well have been victorious.
[QUOTE] Well, I wonder who made France and Germany the Liberal Socialist slime-pits that they are today? [/QUOTE] The Germans and the French. Germany and France have always had plenty of leftists. That European states had to open themselves up to immigrants, or drift left just because the Axis lost the war does not follow. (On some occasions conservatives even take power, calling France socialist {they have a lot of socialists, but they aren't a "socialist" state} verges on neocon slander, they are actually governed at present by a center-right coalition.) Look at the Scandinavian nations, countries ( Finland aside, though many would hesitate to call them Scandinavian) which did not participate much, or in Sweden's case, at all in the war, and there you will find some of the most liberal places on earth. Spain and Portugal retained their Axis-era dictators for many years after the war, and still have a left-wing orientation today.
2005-08-02 14:40 | User Profile
The longer I live, observe and experience the steady and relentless growth of soul-defiling/soul-destroying Jew influence over our people. The more I reflect upon these words of Anne Morrow Lindbergh, the very intelligent wife of aviation hero Charles Lindbergh.
"What's behind Nazism? Is it nothing but a return to barbarism, to be crushed at all costs by a 'Crusade?' Or is some new, and perhaps even ultimate good, conception of humanity trying to come to birth?"