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Thread ID: 19298 | Posts: 12 | Started: 2005-07-26
2005-07-26 21:24 | User Profile
[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/25/AR2005072501605_pf.html"][font=helvetica,arial][size=-1][color=#000000]washingtonpost.com[/color][/size][/font][/url][size=+2] $41 Billion Cost Projected To Remove Illegal Entrants[/size] [size=-1]By Darryl Fears Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 26, 2005; A11 [/size]
A new study by a liberal Washington think tank puts the cost of forcibly removing most of the nation's estimated 10 million illegal immigrants at $41 billion a year, a sum that exceeds the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security.
The study, "Deporting the Undocumented: A Cost Assessment," scheduled for release today by the Center for American Progress, is billed by its authors as the first-ever estimate of costs associated with arresting, detaining, prosecuting and removing immigrants who have entered the United States illegally or overstayed their visas. The total cost would be $206 billion to $230 billion over five years, depending on how many of the immigrants leave voluntarily, according to the study.
"There are some people who suggest that mass deportation is an option," said Rajeev K. Goyle, senior domestic policy analyst for the center and a co-author of the study. "To understand deportation policy response, we had to have a number."
Advocates for tougher enforcement of immigration laws did not dispute the study's figures but disputed its assumptions about how enforcement would work.
The study assumed that tougher enforcement would induce 10 percent to 20 percent of undocumented residents in the United States to leave voluntarily. But Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates stronger enforcement of immigration laws, argued that as many as half would leave voluntarily if the government were to aggressively seek them out and crack down on businesses that hire them illegally.
"We do need to know what enforcement would cost," he said, "but [the study] is a cartoon version of how enforcement would work."
The study estimates that it would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $4 billion to secure borders, $2 million to legally process them and $1.6 billion to bus or fly them home.
Goyle said that he conducted the study, in part, to respond to conservative officials who have advocated mass deportations, in some cases immediately. Earlier this year, former House speaker Newt Gingrich advocated sealing U.S. borders and deporting all illegal immigrants within 72 hours of arrest.
Will Adams, a spokesman for Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), an outspoken advocate of stronger immigration laws, called the study an "an interesting intellectual exercise" by liberals that is "useless . . . because no one's talking about" employing mass deportation as a tactic.
"No one's talking about buying planes, trains and automobiles to get them out of the country," Adams said. "The vast number of illegal immigrants are coming for jobs. Congressman Tancredo wants to go after the employers."
2005-07-27 03:02 | User Profile
Reincarnate Stalin and this will cost a couple of orders of magnitude less. Cattle cars and two weeks. Problem solved. And there will be no recurring costs, as no new cucarachas will crawl in.
2005-07-27 03:50 | User Profile
Advocates for tougher enforcement of immigration laws did not dispute the study's figures but disputed its assumptions about how enforcement would work. I can't help wondering how closely they examined the estimators' methods. Maybe the authors of the study deliberately inflated the estimated cost.
It's also possible that the study failed to factor in the money that would likely be saved as far as health care and other freebies that illegals take advantage of.
2005-07-27 04:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]I can't help wondering how closely they examined the estimators' methods. Maybe the authors of the study deliberately inflated the estimated cost.
It's also possible that the study failed to factor in the money that would likely be saved as far as health care and other freebies that illegals take advantage of.[/QUOTE]
Exactly on both points and with the treasonous activity of the Bush administration attempts at legalizing illegals already here, look for more reports on how expensive and terrible it will be to deport illegals. This report is just the tip of the iceburg!
K
2005-07-27 05:00 | User Profile
Hell it would be worth $230 billion.
2005-07-27 05:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Reincarnate Stalin and this will cost a couple of orders of magnitude less. Cattle cars and two weeks. Problem solved. And there will be no recurring costs, as no new cucarachas will crawl in.[/QUOTE]Or a simple calculation. 10 - 20 million illegals? Multiply this by 30 cents. (Roughly the price of a 30-06 bullet) :biggrin:
Problem is Stalin wouldn't stop at illegals. I think its obvious if he'd lived very much longer he would have ended up shooting everybody in the USSR. That's why they finally got rid of him.
2005-07-27 05:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Hell it would be worth $230 billion.[/QUOTE]
No doubt! However, there is the "Great Wetback Cattle Drive" concept I first proposed over at Stormfront in a half-joking and half-serious manner. It would not be too expensive to round 'em up and move 'em out in the manner of a cattle drive. Hell, most of 'em came here on foot and I reckon they can leave the same way.
K
2005-07-27 06:26 | User Profile
The study estimates that it would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $4 billion to secure borders, $2 million to legally process them and $1.6 billion to bus or fly them home.
Announce that after a certain date, sexually mature (not little kids, in other words) illegal immigrants caught within the borders of the United States will be executed by firing squad, just as soon as a Military Tribunal can be assembled for the purpose of verifying their illegal status. European travellers and students who overstay their visas, or Canadians who play fast & loose with our residency laws for the sake of personal convenience, being merely undocumented, as opposed to authentically foreign, i.e. being kinsman of the posterity of the Founding Fathers' generation of Americans, would naturally be dealt with by civil authorities in a much less harsh context (unless it came to be suspected they were likely engaged in ongoing, organized criminal pursuits, and thus came to this contry for that purpose, in which case they would be referred to a military tribunal charged with ending the threat posed by such hostile invaders, although since Jewish illegals would be classfied alongside those from Mexico and Haiti as non-Europid, I rather imagine it wouldn't often be an issue). I'm guessing that would save a good deal of our 41 billion dollars detailed above. Deport them? Hell, just warn them of their impending fate, and then watch them run for the border as if Mexico were a veritable Shang-ra-la. Adios!
2005-07-27 06:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet][url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/25/AR2005072501605_pf.html"][font=helvetica,arial][size=-1][color=#000000]washingtonpost.com[/color][/size][/font][/url][size=+2] $41 Billion Cost Projected To Remove Illegal Entrants[/size] [size=-1]By Darryl Fears Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 26, 2005; A11 [/size]
A new study by a liberal Washington think tank puts the cost of forcibly removing most of the nation's estimated 10 million illegal immigrants at $41 billion a year, a sum that exceeds the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security.
The study, "Deporting the Undocumented: A Cost Assessment," scheduled for release today by the Center for American Progress, is billed by its authors as the first-ever estimate of costs associated with arresting, detaining, prosecuting and removing immigrants who have entered the United States illegally or overstayed their visas. The total cost would be $206 billion to $230 billion over five years, depending on how many of the immigrants leave voluntarily, according to the study.
If its going to be that expensive to deal with the problem we have now, then surely any responsible legislator, editorialist, academic, private citizen, or whatnot, would be morally compelled by sheer civic duty to demand that our border laws be strictly enforced in the future (even if they balk at paying the $41 billion per annum cost of fixing the current problem), so as to prevent the creation of an even larger problem, and thus a far more costly one, which we might well soon be required to pay for irrespective of one's fiscal considerations, within the context of international terrorism. Yet somehow, I don't think that's the conclusion we're intended to draw....
2005-07-27 16:59 | User Profile
It's expensive to deal with it by current ineffective means. First, when dealing with infestation, remove the source of food and water. Then spray something nasty to take care of them on a massive scale. Don't go hunting for individual cucarachas. If they can limit liberties and due processes when dealing with "terrorists" (even though the scale of effects from terrorists is infinitely smaller than from millions of cucarachas affecting everyone in the US), there can certainly be new legislation making deportations much cheaper.
2005-07-27 17:37 | User Profile
$41 billion to get rid of Messicans? But, but we're fighting Iraqi civilians 10,000 miles away to protect our 'fweedumb' for only a cost of $410,000,000,000!! Vhat a bah-gan!
2005-07-27 19:28 | User Profile
Bla bla bla bla bla, bla bla bla???????
Give me a badge and the authority and I will place 100 illegals from CA on a bus and on their way back to south of the border.
Give the police department the authority to arrest, detain and deport the illegals and that's all that it will take.
At one time I was for my "brown cousins" but no more, when I feel that my well being is in danger then is the time to do something.
The cops in my one mule town will take no crap from any illegal coming here.