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Thread ID: 19295 | Posts: 14 | Started: 2005-07-26
2005-07-26 15:45 | User Profile
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm[/url]
Van Gogh, who is the great-grandson of Vincent Van Gogh, was brutally murdered by a Morracan man because of Van Goghs films about extreme Islamic views.
2005-07-26 16:05 | User Profile
I'm sure the Netherlands will do absolutely nothing to address their self-inflicted disease of multiculturalism and just continue to treat the symptoms with window dressings. Kinda like America.
2005-07-26 16:19 | User Profile
Wake up, Europe! Five hundred years ago, the Muslims were at the gates of Vienna. Today, their invasion has penetrated farther than their wildest dreams, and without any resistance on the part of the Europeans. I pray that they will man the barricades before it is too late, if it isn't already.
2005-07-26 16:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm[/url]
Van Gogh, who is the great-grandson of Vincent Van Gogh, was brutally murdered by a Morracan man because of Van Goghs films about extreme Islamic views.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe Vincent van Gogh had been married, nor did he have children. He shacked up with a hooker for awhile, fell in love with his cousin, but there were few women in his life. Maybe the above van Gogh was the great-grandson of Vincents married brother. Further, the Netherlands is going to pay dearly for not eliminating this killer from the earth. I guess they are just too civilized and compassionate for justice.
2005-07-26 21:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]I don't believe Vincent van Gogh had been married, nor did he have children. He shacked up with a hooker for awhile, fell in love with his cousin, but there were few women in his life. Maybe the above van Gogh was the great-grandson of Vincents married brother. Further, the Netherlands is going to pay dearly for not eliminating this killer from the earth. I guess they are just too civilized and compassionate for justice.[/QUOTE] OOPS! I think your right.
2005-07-27 06:41 | User Profile
[url]http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-07-26-voa38.cfm[/url]
Muslim Killer of Dutch Filmmaker Sentenced to Life in Prison
By Roger Wilkison
Brussels, 26 July 2005
A court in the Netherlands has sentenced the self-confessed Muslim killer of a Dutch filmmaker who was critical of Islam to life in prison. The murder last November of Theo Van Gogh stunned the traditionally tolerant country and stirred up ethnic and religious tensions.
Mohammed Bouyeri, 27, was given the harshest possible sentence in a country that does not recognize the death penalty.
Bouyeri, born in the Netherlands to Moroccan parents, shot and stabbed Theo Van Gogh as he cycled to work in Amsterdam. The killer then slashed his victim's throat and thrust a political manifesto into his chest on the point of a knife.
Mr. Van Gogh had aroused anger among Dutch Muslims by making a film highly critical of Islam. The film accused Muslims of sanctioning violence against women.
At his trial, Bouyeri calmly confessed to the crime, saying he wanted to become a martyr for his faith and would commit the same act again if given the chance. He said he regarded Mr. Van Gogh as an enemy of Islam.
Amsterdam district court Judge Udo Willem Bentinck said Bouyeri had killed Mr. Van Gogh in a gruesome manner, had shown no remorse and had committed the crime with what he called terrorist intent. "The public must be accorded maximum protection from the defendant," he said. "As such, there is only one sentence that forbids this crime: life-long imprisonment."
Bouyeri waved his right to mount a defense at his trial. Prosecutors referred to him as a radical Muslim dedicated to waging a holy war against whomever he regarded as an enemy of Islam.
Judge Bentinck said Bouyeri's intent was to spread fear in the Netherlands and undermine Dutch democracy. "The murder of Theo Van Gogh provoked a wave of revulsion and disdain in the Netherlands," said the judge. "He was mercilessly slaughtered."
There are about one million Muslims in the Netherlands, and some of them felt a backlash after the Van Gogh murder. There was a wave of attacks on mosques and other Islamic buildings and counterattacks on Christian churches, but there were no casualties.
The Netherlands has long been one of Europe's most liberal and tolerant countries. But following the Van Gogh murder, the Dutch have begun to reassess their policy of multiculturalism. With concerns growing about homegrown Islamic terrorism, the government is now emphasizing the need to integrate minorities into Dutch society to prevent them from becoming isolated and, therefore, more likely to fall prey to extremism.
2005-07-27 11:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm[/url]
Van Gogh, who is the great-grandson of Vincent Van Gogh, was brutally murdered by a Morracan man because of Van Goghs films about extreme Islamic views.[/QUOTE]Actually Van Gogh was just another Liberal who crusaded for the rights of Arab women. In other words, he was concerning himself with the happiness of minorities and ended up getting killed over it. You obviously didn't read the link, he was worried about the treatment of Islamic women....he was a Liberal fool and certainly no big loss......
Van Gogh's controversial film Submission, **which criticised the treatment of women under Islam. **
WHO CARES HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED UNDER ISLAM? [u]They are BROWN women[/u], to waste one second worrying about those minority ladies is to submit to the Liberal nonsense of "Take care of all colors of the rainbow"
2005-07-27 11:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]Actually Van Gogh was just another Liberal who crusaded for the rights of Arab women. In other words, he was concerning himself with the happiness of minorities and ended up getting killed over it. You obviously didn't read the link, he was worried about the treatment of Islamic women....he was a Liberal fool and certainly no big loss......*[/QUOTE]
Completely immaterial. His murder was a deliberate assault on Dutch society as a whole. Its intention was to announce to the world that Dutchmen no longer rule Holland.
IMO, the zee-drainers no longer have the luxury of holding themselves above and exempt from the 'barbarity' of capital punishment. The argument that [I]to execute Bouyeri is to give him what he wants - martyrdom[/I] is empty sophistry and wishful thinking. You don't hafta be dead to be proclaimed a martyr; life in prison will do nicely in a pinch. A swift and very public execution, however, is the surest and most effective way for "the public [to] be accorded maximum protection from the defendant".
Because frankly I don't believe this jazz about Muslims welcoming their own deaths as the price of jihad. It defies human nature (and indeed most of the hardcore jihadists are indoctrinated if not coerced into acts of extreme terror.) But if you and I believe it as gospel truth then its propaganda value is priceless. You'll think twice - fatally hesitate - before doing what needs be done to defend your very way of life.
A towel-wrapped head mounted on top of a pole, swaying to and fro on windy days, for all the world to see - [B]that [/B] might well send the only message here that needs iteration: [U]either home to Ragistan or home to Allah - it's your choice[/U].
2005-07-27 11:58 | User Profile
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Okay, I see your point.
2005-07-27 12:14 | User Profile
Incidentally, I agree with your other point. Theo van Gogh was a pig. If he hadn't baited the Islamics and died as he did, no right-thinking Westerner could view him with anything but contempt.
But - ironically - as it happened, he's the only 'martyr' in this story.
2005-07-27 12:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]You don't hafta be dead to be proclaimed a martyr; life in prison will do nicely in a pinch.[/QUOTE] Yes, Mandela was a living martyr. They probably would have been better off just to execute him.
2005-07-27 12:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Incidentally, I agree with your other point. Theo van Gogh was a pig. If he hadn't baited the Islamics and died as he did, no right-thinking Westerner could view him with anything but contempt.
But - ironically - as it happened, he's the only 'martyr' in this story.[/QUOTE] At least he wasn't as Liberal as Rachel Corrie, she was an undeserving martyr most definitely. Her personal journal was full of statements about her love for Arab children, it is amazing how so many White Nationalists tried to turn her into this brave WN who died in the struggle! :yucky:
2005-07-27 13:05 | User Profile
Disagree. Corrie, whatever her delusions, went THERE. She is as the undriven snow compared to the perfidy of the vote-sucking politician who, quietly, with a signature, brings tens of thousands of them HERE.
Look, sooner or later somebody is going to have to figure [I]some[/I]thing out short of perpetual World War, because 1 billion Muslims is a daunting number of people to have to fight and kill. Particularly on behalf of 13 million Jews who are the [I]reason [/I] they're here; are the [I]reason [/I] they're jihaddin' to beat the band.
I'm willing to bet that if we could somehow neutralize or seize Israel's stockpile of WMDs, and tell the Arab world, "okay, it's on you guys now - go nuts and do as you will"....with part of the price tag being full repatriation back to the Middle East....- we'd be Islamic-free, and would [I]never [/I] hear another discouraging word from these people. Because the day the Arabs no longer have "the infidel" to sell their oil to, is the day they revert back to the 10th century permanently.
2005-07-27 13:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Completely immaterial. His murder was a deliberate assault on Dutch society as a whole. Its intention was to announce to the world that Dutchmen no longer rule Holland.
A towel-wrapped head mounted on top of a pole, swaying to and fro on windy days, for all the world to see - **that ** might well send the only message here that needs iteration: [u]either home to Ragistan or home to Allah - it's your choice[/u].[/QUOTE] Exactly! And yes OttoR, I did read the article. Even though this guy was a dumba** liberal, as quite a few in the Netherlands are, I saw this as a tale of forewarning against allowing our culture to be overun by another. I assumed that others would be able to glean this from reading the article therefore I chose not to point it out in my original post.