← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Ed Toner
Thread ID: 19259 | Posts: 7 | Started: 2005-07-23
2005-07-23 20:32 | User Profile
[url]http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm[/url]
I recieved this yesterday, 22 July 2005.
Anyone with solid contacts with the Sec. of the Army, JAG, and NCIS is urged to help in this matter.
2005-07-23 20:45 | User Profile
Haven't seen you in awhile. Where have you been?
2005-07-23 20:50 | User Profile
OK now, had a congestive heart failure in April, no damage.
I just decided i was spending too much time on FORUMS.
I'll be less active for a while.
2005-07-23 22:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ed Toner]OK now, had a congestive heart failure in April, no damage.
I just decided i was spending too much time on FORUMS.
I'll be less active for a while.[/QUOTE]
Glad to hear that you are ok.
2005-07-24 00:15 | User Profile
Sorry about that Ed, hope is no biggie......Ponce
2005-07-24 16:33 | User Profile
Re-USS LIBERTY,
I discovered through a classmate (USMMA 1953) that another classmate was XO aboard the LIBERTY after the attack, replacing a murdered or wounded officer.
This is the first time I have been able to contact someone I know who was actually part of the history of the ship. I contacted him through email yesterday and here is his reply:
(I will omit his name because I'm not sure he would welcome inquiries from strangers.)
"Hey, Ed -
I don't know that I had a title but I did take a couple of officers and some sailors from USS Davis to Liberty the morning after the attack and brought her to Malta.
That ship and her crew were victims and the situation was tragic, no question. The web site you noted does have some interesting stuff but some of it is interesting in the same way that the grassy knoll is interesting with respect to Kennedy's shooting. A lot of speculation and wishful thinking gets turned into "fact" and that troubles me.
Ennes' book is a good read by someone who was there. Some of his history of that hour has turned out to be flawed but that's not surprising. The same is true of any war story from any time.
Cristol's book is boring to read but is thoroughly documented.
SS"
2005-07-25 19:01 | User Profile
OFF TOPIC.........didn't want to open a new thread.
The Brazilian guy shoot in the London subway was held down by two cops while the third one shot him five time in the head.....wonder why? :censored: =====================xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx========================
British Cops trained in Israel "Operation Kratos": London Met Police Special Operations Unit "Shoot to Kill"
by Michel Chossudovsky
July 24, 2005 GlobalResearch.ca
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The cold blooded murder of Jean Charles de Menezes, in the Stockwell underground was no accident. London Metropolitan Police had approved a policy of "shoot to kill":
"a controversial tactic deployed only in the most extreme circumstances but one police have been preparing to use for the last two weeks.".
The shoot to kill policy was undertaken under the auspices of "Operation Kratos", named after the mythical Spartan hero. It was carried out by the London Metropolitan's elite SO19 firearms unit often referred to as the Blue Berets. The latter are described as the equivalent to the US SWAT teams, yet in this particular case, they were not wearing uniforms.
The training of the S019 marksmen was patterned on that of Israel. They had been briefed "by officers who had been to Israel to meet their counterparts there and pick up tips gleaned from the experience of dealing with Hamas bombers".
"During the Kratos briefings, the Met team were told that, contrary to their normal arms training, they should fire at the head rather than the chest. Although the chest is easier to hit, it is not as reliable in causing instant death, giving a bomber a chance to detonate his device.... "(The Scottish Daily Record, 23 July, 2005).
The "Israeli counterparts" refers to Israel's National Police (INP), Shin Bet (the Israel Security Agency) and Israel's Ministry of Internal Security. But the police antiterrorist operations conducted by the INP against Hamas and Islamic Jihad are carried out in close coordination with the Military (Israeli Defense Force) and Mossad. Israel has also collaborated in the training of members of the FBI and the LAPD. Top law enforcement officers of the FBI were trained in Israel under a program sponsored by the The Jewish Institute for National Security.
see [url]http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/2168/documentid/3020/history/3,2359,2166,2168,3020[/url]
SO13: The Anti-terrorist Branch
Of significance in setting the antiterrorist policy under "Operation Kratos" is the so-called SO13 or Antiterrorist Branch. .
The various special operations units including SO13, Special branch and SO19 of the Met police are overseen by Andy Hayman, the recently appointed assistant commissioner. The SO19 is one of several entities under the jurisdiction of the Met police. (see below)
Once SO13 and Special Branch decided to carry out Operation Kratos, specific guidelines were provided to SO19 to carry out the "shoot to kill" agenda.