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Thread ID: 19234 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2005-07-20
2005-07-20 23:55 | User Profile
Its called the PLE concept and translates to Pioneer Little Europe communities that seeks to build upon and refine our common White-European heritage/culture by utilizing both the old and new. It is a well thought out strategy that seeks to encompass all who believe that our race must seek our own destiny for the future of our children. Without going into details let me invite you to take a look at a new forum dedicated soley to the PLE concept. [url]http://plefuture.com/gather/index.php?referrerid=44[/url]
Please take the time to read before issuing a opinion as I made the mistake of doing once. I opposed it on the grounds that it was a retreating movement without reviewing the concept in full first. Now I feel rather foolish for jumping the gun prematurely.
K
2005-07-21 01:26 | User Profile
No one wants to move to China Town, Brown Town, Hispanice Town. But, everyone would want to move to White Town. How does PLE prevent non-white immigration followed by federal force to integrate?
2005-07-21 02:01 | User Profile
311inAZ,
Thanks for the link looks like a great site.
2005-07-21 02:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]No one wants to move to China Town, Brown Town, Hispanice Town. But, everyone would want to move to White Town. How does PLE prevent non-white immigration followed by federal force to integrate?[/QUOTE]
From my best understanding of the issue you specified its a combination of factors at play inside a PLE community including some secrecy, seizing local political control, and probably just making it a uncomfortable enviroment for non-Whites to exist in.
I will see if I can get some more input on this valid point you brought up from someone more involved in the PLE concept then I have been so far.
K
2005-07-21 03:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]Its called the PLE concept and translates to Pioneer Little Europe communities that seeks to build upon and refine our common White-European heritage/culture by utilizing both the old and new. It is a well thought out strategy that seeks to encompass all who believe that our race must seek our own destiny for the future of our children. Without going into details let me invite you to take a look at a new forum dedicated soley to the PLE concept. [url]http://plefuture.com/gather/index.php?referrerid=44[/url] Sounds sort of like Bo Gritz's [URL=http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia88.html]Almost Heaven[/URL]
Please take the time to read before issuing a opinion as I made the mistake of doing once. I opposed it on the grounds that it was a retreating movement without reviewing the concept in full first. Now I feel rather foolish for jumping the gun prematurely.
K[/QUOTE] Exactly what should we read first?
2005-07-21 03:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Sounds sort of like Bo Gritz's [URL=http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia88.html]Almost Heaven[/URL]
Exactly what should we read first?[/QUOTE]
I suggest reading all the forums listed under "Pioneer Little Europes General" to get a handle on the concept. Fortunately, the forum is just starting to take off so the reading will not be as time consuming as one may think.
You will find that the PLE community welcomes all irregardless of ideology or religious beliefs, so it cannot be considered a cult based community as Bo Gritz's 'Almost Heaven' could be. Both the militant and non-militant are welcomed.
K
2005-07-21 03:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]I suggest reading all the forums listed under "Pioneer Little Europes General" to get a handle on the concept. Fortunately, the forum is just starting to take off so the reading will not be as time consuming as one may think.
You will find that the PLE community welcomes all irregardless of ideology or religious beliefs, so it cannot be considered a cult based community as Bo Gritz's 'Almost Heaven' could be. Both the militant and non-militant are welcomed.
K[/QUOTE]It does sound a lot like Almost Heaven, whose covenant sounded about as ecumenical for rightwingers as you could get back in those days.
[QUOTE]Almost Heaven started in the early 1990s with just under 1,000 acres on the rim of the plateau overlooking the Clearwater River. Gritz, a former military man who describes himself as the inspiration for "Rambo," envisioned a place where like-minded constitutionalists could live, free from excessive government control and safe from crime and other dangers.
Residents of Almost Heaven would simply have to agree to the community covenant, which required that they be God-fearing Christians who would stand and fight with each other should any resident's Constitutional rights be threatened.[/QUOTE]
2005-07-21 04:08 | User Profile
Okie, I met Blow Gritz back in 1993 at the airport in Rexburg, Idaho. He was scouting the state at the time, looking for land and making anti-government tapes. He had many of the Mormons over there stirred up at the Government.
2005-07-21 05:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]No one wants to move to China Town, Brown Town, Hispanice Town. But, everyone would want to move to White Town. How does PLE prevent non-white immigration followed by federal force to integrate?[/QUOTE]
I researched the subject matter somewhat and I believe the answer lies in chapter 8 of this online book, see: [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=200588[/url] Basically, PLE's will be structured on private property which should suffice for a legal defense. However, with the recent Supreme Court ruling against private property rights, I'm not so sure as the nearby local government may just need PLE land to build resort communities and shopping centers on. Excuse me while I go oil up my 2nd Amendment rights while they last.
K
2005-07-27 06:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]It does sound a lot like Almost Heaven, whose covenant sounded about as ecumenical for rightwingers as you could get back in those days.[/QUOTE]
No not even close. Christianity or the lack thereof is not a basis for developing a PLE. Christian Whites as well as non-Christian Whites are both welcomed with open arms. PLEs are intended to encompass all which would avoid a cult mentality. Basically, a PLE raises up a uncontrolled WN culture which leads them to maintain their integrity and which would discourage non-White attempts at immigration to such sites even more so than private property rights which are on shakey ground right now.
K
2005-07-27 07:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]No one wants to move to China Town, Brown Town, Hispanice Town. But, everyone would want to move to White Town. How does PLE prevent non-white immigration followed by federal force to integrate?[/QUOTE]
They don't, so it wouldn't work, and if it somehow did, they'd meet a fate similar to Waco. The end.
The only way to victory involves machine guns. I know that really sucks, but grow up and deal with reality, or at least don't complain when you're forced to watch as your entire family precedes you in being raped, tortured, mutilated, killed, cooked, and eaten by urban Negroids or neo-Aztecs. There's no easy way out of this mess. You can't flee to Iceland, because Iceland eventually will be invaded by our enemy and forcibly subjected to anything it tries to exempt itself from, as will any other state. The North American and European traitor regimes must be removed, and while some of the others may go much more peacefully, the U.S. traitor cabal will be trying to kill its enemies en masse, in order to avoid its justified descent into oblivion. Its great to speculate about philosophy and ideology hereabouts in the meantime, but don't ever kid yourself about what you're really going to have to do one day. Prepare for it instead.
2005-07-27 08:23 | User Profile
Kevin, you obviously have not read much on the PLE concept yet as what you are referring to is covered by developing a Legionism philosophy in PLE communities utilizing U.S. military veterans along with active duty and reserve personnel. Although there are no posts in the PLE Future forum yet (remember the forum is still new) on Legionism it has been covered in some depth in the Advance Scout forum, see [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=65[/url]
In addition, you are making the same mistake I once did in comparing PLEs to a retreating movement and the comparison to Waco has no merit whatsoever. In one sense, PLE's can be considered a circling of the wagons, but it is much more than that. To find out how much more let me reinterate my invitation to visit the PLE Future forums as well as the Advance Scout forum listed above.
Please folks don't make assumptions without doing some homework on those forums dedicated to the PLE concept. My purpose with starting this thread is to serve as a advance scout myself by bringing this path to the attention of others. The PLE forums would be a better place to discuss the concept in some detail.
Best Regards, K
2005-07-27 09:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]No not even close. Christianity or the lack thereof is not a basis for developing a PLE. Christian Whites as well as non-Christian Whites are both welcomed with open arms. PLEs are intended to encompass all which would avoid a cult mentality. Basically, a PLE raises up a uncontrolled WN culture which leads them to maintain their integrity and which would discourage non-White attempts at immigration to such sites even more so than private property rights which are on shakey ground right now.
K[/QUOTE]Well now you're just repeating your assertion that the PLE is completely different than Almost Heaven, because of the marginal religious orientation of Almost Heaven. I really don't see that this religious orienation had anything at all to do with the problems Almost Heaven encountered, i.e. the so-called "cult-mentality".
If you're making any argument at all, its a strawman one. Actually I think you're just repeating the Almost Heaven concept very closely, and just hoping on people's infatuation of the basic concept. If you want some better strawman arguments I can supply a few:
[list] []It wasn't started by a man named "Bo" []There's no specific location mentioned, so people can imagine a dreamlike place somewhere of their choice [*]No "Almost" there. Hey, why limit ourselves? [/list]
2005-07-27 10:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Well now you're just repeating your assertion that the PLE is completely different than Almost Heaven, because of the marginal religious orientation of Almost Heaven. I really don't see that this religious orienation had anything at all to do with the problems Almost Heaven encountered, i.e. the so-called "cult-mentality".
If you're making any argument at all, its a strawman one. Actually I think you're just repeating the Almost Heaven concept very closely, and just hoping on people's infatuation of the basic concept. If you want some better strawman arguments I can supply a few:
[list] []It wasn't started by a man named "Bo" []There's no specific location mentioned, so people can imagine a dreamlike place somewhere of their choice [*]No "Almost" there. Hey, why limit ourselves? [/list][/QUOTE]
You have not grasped the concept yet. Go to the Advance Scout forum and type in 'uncontrolled WN culture' to see what I am talking about. While there spend some time reading the different threads and if you can come up with a more viable strategy than the PLE concept or even something approaching its logic, than I'll be all ears.
Your strawman arguments just don't apply here as the similarities do not exist. Again, I must emphasize that the PLE Future forums and the Advance Scout forum are the place to be conducting this discussion, but hopefully only after you have read up on the concept. Its not as simple as Ma and Pa Kettle loading up the stationwagon with weapons, ammo, and MRE's and heading to a mountaintop somewhere in Idaho. Just take the time to investigate for yourself - I'm just the advance scout reporting back its existence, plus I'm too tired to continue for now.
K
2005-07-27 11:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]No one wants to move to China Town, Brown Town, Hispanice Town. But, everyone would want to move to White Town. How does PLE prevent non-white immigration followed by federal force to integrate?[/QUOTE]I have little faith in the PLE concept. The idea is heavily pushed by Stormfront activist and long-time White Nationalist H. Michael Barrett who invented the basic guidelines for the project. He is currently a San Francisco native and actually models the PLE as a White version of the exclusively homosexual areas of San Francisco. We are supposed to move in and boldly claim a region as a WHITE AREA in the same way that gays took San Francisco as their own. We will then force the local government to accept our chosen sphere of influence without interference.
I see nothing in the guidelines for PLE that blocks Jews as living among us. As daring and arrogant as most Jews are, they would move right nextdoor and personally challenge the "ALL WHITE" community. It would make national news and soon the numerous Whites who are already Anti-Hitler..(this is where you need to know the background of H. Michael Barrett....I've argued with him on several White message boards over the last 5 years...he is originally from England and has a father who is Pro-Churchill and for the sake of his family ties Mr. H. Michael Barrett left the so-called "NS Cult"...read about PLE from his own words and you will notice how many times he uses the term "NS Cult", he even recommends books on [url="http://www.amazon.com/"]www.amazon.com[/url] on how to withdraw yourself from this horrible "NS Cult" and enter the normal White community:
*[url="http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2VQC817BT8H32/102-0521893-1530554?_encoding=UTF8"]http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2VQC817BT8H32/102-0521893-1530554?_encoding=UTF8[/url] *
Nazi Cultists Can Deprogram Themselves With This Book, December 18, 2001 Use This book and This Free Deprogramming technique:
Those who suspect that they may have fallen into the isolating well of Nazi cultism, and are having difficulty climbing out to rejoin their family members and the rest of the community, are advised to consider the Pioneer Little Europe exercises for recovering the tormented among us.
The polarized beliefs many Whites have about Hitler are not, contrary to what is constantly said by the Zionist media and modern day nazi cultists, solely attributable to the propaganda of one side or the other.
While it is true that the godlike image of Hitler was especially well sharpened by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, through the vivid impression creating influences of radio and film, Hitler's opponents actually contribute much more to fuel the modern cult image.
The leading element of today's propaganda is a description of the devil incarnate, not a person with human strengths and weaknesses who was once easily overlooked in a crowd. The new image is attributable to opponents at least swallowing part of what Goebbels offered, or not fighting the superman impression, then adding a dark spin.
And picking up the same propaganda tool as Joseph Goebbels, which was usually a highly selective criteria for which images and messages would be shown or held back, Hitler's opponents inadvertently managed to promote a dysfunctional cultism.
Hitler cultism in that form, however, became so sinister that it was separated from its original purposes, which was to unite, inspire, and lead people into actions intended to benefit them. It was not to create a cult separated from any normality.
Today's Hitler cultism is a mixed creation offered by two separate camps that are separated from the White community, the Zionists and pro-Hitler cultists who converted - or snapped - from Zionist propaganda. Shaking off the cultism, however, is not an easy matter, as it's been fueled by both sides since the beginning.
Those who suspect that they have been conditioned into cultism, a feeling which arises when we find our actions out of step with the people important to us, are advised to use this method for gaining their freedom.
Those who read and think more extensively than other people tend to be the most deeply conditioned, and will commit themselves to cultism without seeing any progress for incredibly long periods of time. If you even suspect you are in this category, try the following more cerebral exercises for straightening yourself out:
1) Begin with a study of conditioned reflexes, which began as a more formal science under Ivan Pavlov, but chose a more modern and popular exposition to grasp the subject quickly. Among the recommended books are "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargant & "Snapping" by Flo Conway & Jim Siegelman, or the film Ticket to Heaven.
2) Examine also any books or films available on how people such as Roosevelt, Hitler, Churchill, and Stalin used the media to promote their images. Pay particular attention to how the public reacted to radio, and read about the Orson Welles radio program that caused many Americans to believe that they were being attacked from Mars
3) Obtain the little pamphlet "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer the San Francisco longshoreman. Hoffer took cult criticism to such an extreme that he actually neglected to acknowledge how cultism, in a more sublimated, controlled, and moderate level, is commonplace in society. This left wing book was selling at the George Lincoln Rockwell book shop in 1970, shortly before the NSWPP lost most of its leaders, and it had a lot to do with key people reassessing themselves
4) Sir Oswald Mosley was one of the few major figures of national socialism and fascism to survive WW2, and it is extremely important to note that his autobiography includes a postwar assessment of "the movement." Find our why Mosley said fascism is obsolete, or why he felt Hitler had failed, as his perspective is leaps and bounds ahead of those further down the ranks. And read Diana Mosley's books, as no one ever said she abandoned the cause, and find out what she thought of Hitler and Mosley.
5) Contact the person who straightened you out and find out how you can help others.
6) Admit to your family that you were a cultist. Some will start telling you how Hitler and National Socialism actually had many positive points, but put your emphasis on building your own community with them.
[u]Whites who admire Churchill and dislike NS will never resist the entrance of Jews into their community especially since the typical Anti-Hitler person is often completely unaware of the Jewish issue entirely! [/u]
So what happens? The Jews move in and suddenly they take over the city council and the local police force and within 5 years...here come the Blacks and Mexicans! So much for your Pioneer 'Europe'
Seriously, any guy who reads a book on "Get me out of NS mind control so that I can get along with my lemming Daddy" just can't be taken seriously and neither can PLE which has more holes than swiss cheese.
:thumbd:
2005-07-27 18:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]The only way to victory involves machine guns.[/QUOTE]
While I wouldn't want to get caught being proven wrong on this, I wonder if this outlook shouldn't be complemented by the idea that the only way to victory is to change enough minds.
I wonder, gentlemen, if one reason for the failure of white nationalism to achieve broad appeal or policy success is that the stakes are set so incredibly high. We want all-white America 2008, and that obviously isn't going to happen. Then we feel defeated and disillusioned. Of course --- who wouldn't? Social and political change, I think, happens more slowly than we might imagine. And now that we live in the information age, the machine guns have taken a different shape.
Would setting more realistic goals be a healthier approach?
2005-07-27 21:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]While I wouldn't want to get caught being proven wrong on this, I wonder if this outlook shouldn't be complemented by the idea that the only way to victory is to change enough minds.
I wonder, gentlemen, if one reason for the failure of white nationalism to achieve broad appeal or policy success is that the stakes are set so incredibly high. We want all-white America 2008, and that obviously isn't going to happen. Then we feel defeated and disillusioned. Of course --- who wouldn't? Social and political change, I think, happens more slowly than we might imagine. And now that we live in the information age, the machine guns have taken a different shape.
Would setting more realistic goals be a healthier approach?[/QUOTE]
Whether intended to or not, the above post compliments the PLE concept very well. WNs have been seeking a redeeming crisis for 60 years now and it has disillusioned many in the movement when such failed to occur. We cannot pin our hopes totally on machineguns and a future doomsday. Its time we seek a more viable strategy that has a chance for success without the doomsday factor being a necessary ingredient.
For the more militant of us (of which I am one), we can look at PLE communities as 'firebases.'
OttoR, I think Mr. Barrett is right about NSism and its relation to cultism. NSism will not fly in America under any circumstances, doomsday or not. NS, however, are welcomed to participate in PLEs as are any other White persons and their ideology.
K
2005-07-27 21:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]Whether intended to or not, the above post compliments the PLE concept very well. WNs have been seeking a redeeming crisis for 60 years now and it has disillusioned many in the movement when such failed to occur. We cannot pin our hopes totally on machineguns and a future doomsday. Its time we seek a more viable strategy that has a chance for success without the doomsday factor being a necessary ingredient. Exactly. People have been preparing for "Der Tag" for half a century now, and it never comes. Preparing for it while doing nothing else only saps our resources.
For the more militant of us (of which I am one), we can look at PLE communities as 'firebases.'
Exactly. PLE is not an "either/or" proposition.> OttoR, I think Mr. Barrett is right about NSism and its relation to cultism. NSism will not fly in America under any circumstances, doomsday or not. NS, however, are welcomed to participate in PLEs as are any other White persons and their ideology.
K[/QUOTE] Exactly. It's precisely this "my way or the highway" attitude that is so ruinous and has prevented us from building any kind of community, much less a "movement". I'm convinced WN types would be much happier if it were easy to find and join existing communities of like minded whites (in the flesh, not in cyberspace), without having to sign on to a lot of political or religious baggage that has little to do with white survival. Get our people together building communities, and most of the rest of the problems will get taken care of.
I'm not convinced yet the PLE has thought through all the problems of building a community that won't get destroyed by ZOG (for want of a better term), but they are at least thinking about the problem rationally.
2005-07-27 22:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Exactly. People have been preparing for "Der Tag" for half a century now, and it never comes. Preparing for it while doing nothing else only saps our resources. Exactly. PLE is not an "either/or" proposition. Exactly. It's precisely this "my way or the highway" attitude that is so ruinous and has prevented us from building any kind of community, much less a "movement". I'm convinced WN types would be much happier if it were easy to find and join existing communities of like minded whites (in the flesh, not in cyberspace), without having to sign on to a lot of political or religious baggage that has little to do with white survival. Get our people together building communities, and most of the rest of the problems will get taken care of.
I'm not convinced yet the PLE has thought through all the problems of building a community that won't get destroyed by ZOG (for want of a better term), but they are at least thinking about the problem rationally.[/QUOTE] How do we keep the Jews out of our areas? Some of those Marxist social worker type Jews would love to come into our new community and they would even welcome martyrdom as long as the story could make national news headlines.
2005-07-27 22:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]How do we keep the Jews out of our areas? Some of those Marxist social worker type Jews would love to come into our new community and they would even welcome martyrdom as long as the story could make national news headlines.[/QUOTE]I agree, it is a problem, and I don't think the PLE people have answered that question very well, yet (happy to be proven wrong, of course).
I think it would be enough, for starters, to arrange more face-to-face social meetings between racially aware whites, purely for social purposes, not for politics, and see if we could form de facto local communities out of that.
Until we are capable of establishing "critical mass" of racially aware white people living in close proximity, we should lay low and not say "here we are, come and get us" to ZOG.
Once there are enough of us, of course, in close proximity, it becomes much easier to resist outside pressures, but we are nowhere near that stage yet. It's sort of a chicken and egg problem: you can't get people to come together and defend a community when the community does not yet exist, but you can't create the community without getting people to come together.
I don't think the PLE concept is wrong, but I do think it is still a bit optimistic under current circumstances. But maybe less so in the near future.
2005-07-28 08:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=311inAZ]Kevin, you obviously have not read much on the PLE concept yet as what you are referring to is covered by developing a Legionism philosophy in PLE communities utilizing U.S. military veterans along with active duty and reserve personnel.
True, I have not, and I am glad that such an aspect of reality is being partially addressed in that regard, however I still see something very much akin to some guys like Bo Gritz and Randy Weaver, all amred with Yugoslavian-manufactured SKS semi-automatic infantry rifles, being pureed by the 10,000 lb. bombs being dropped on them (and their children) from B-52s. Why waste the energy trying to form physical communities just so Sheckie can order Officer Fashest and Col. Zadist to destroy it and slaughter its predominantly non-combatant inhabitants? Why not just skip the costly and time-consuming step of building said communities, and simply go on the revolutionary, armed offensive tomorrow? Seriously. Why not? If you want war, start it, don't wait for them to start it by killing off half of you and your wives and kids, after you've wasted years essentially building up a serious bit of bait for them to come after.
Personally, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for us to go to war right now (as we would be thought of as terrorists, thus having very little in the way of popular support, and consequently not much room to recruit sufficient numbers necessary in order to prevail. But I woudn't fault a guy for trying, nor turn him in without some very serious pressure being applied to break me down first, which would likely be forthcoming, alas).
2005-07-28 08:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]While I wouldn't want to get caught being proven wrong on this, I wonder if this outlook shouldn't be complemented by the idea that the only way to victory is to change enough minds.
I wonder, gentlemen, if one reason for the failure of white nationalism to achieve broad appeal or policy success is that the stakes are set so incredibly high. We want all-white America 2008, and that obviously isn't going to happen. Then we feel defeated and disillusioned. Of course --- who wouldn't? Social and political change, I think, happens more slowly than we might imagine. And now that we live in the information age, the machine guns have taken a different shape.
Would setting more realistic goals be a healthier approach?[/QUOTE]
You may well be right, and I certainly advocate (and engage in) a two-pronged approach that tends to favor your tactic over the one I gave lip service to. However, I suspect both tacts will be necessary for victory in the USA. I further suspect that while we may get lucky enough to go the Czech route, as it were, I think Romania and Yugoslavia are far more likely models upon which to imagine an American revolutionary future, unfortunately. I think western Europe (other than perhaps Britain), Canada, Australia and New Zealand will all likely go the Czech route, much to their relief if I am correct. The USA is going to be the toughest nut to crack in the New World Order in the West, as I suspect you will agree. Maybe we can pull this off peacefully, and we should try to, but we should not expect to succeed in that noble desire. Our enemies won't go down without a fight, no matter how many elections they lose, or soldiers & police defect to our side. They're blood-drenched murderers on a very nearly Stalinesque scale, and they won't be going anywhere they don't want to go gently.
2005-07-28 08:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]3) Obtain the little pamphlet "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer the San Francisco longshoreman. Hoffer took cult criticism to such an extreme that he actually neglected to acknowledge how cultism, in a more sublimated, controlled, and moderate level, is commonplace in society. This left wing book was selling at the George Lincoln Rockwell book shop in 1970, shortly before the NSWPP lost most of its leaders, and it had a lot to do with key people reassessing themselves[/QUOTE]
I read this short book while I was in jail, no less, and I must say that irrespective of what one thinks of Mr. Barrett, its a fascinating read that, more than anything I have ever read, caused me to seriously consider the possibility I was mistaken in by worldview. Hoffer, the San Francisco longshoreman turned amateur sociologist, is clearly a bit of a genius, based on his insights from that thin little volume. Its worth checking out, but its such effective anti-WN propaganda (in part because unlike most hostile propaganda, its not a pack of lies), that maybe some of you should consider NOT reading it; we can't afford to lose any men at stage of things!
2005-07-28 09:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OttoR]I have little faith in the PLE concept. The idea is heavily pushed by Stormfront activist and long-time White Nationalist H. Michael Barrett who invented the basic guidelines for the project. He is currently a San Francisco native and actually models the PLE as a White version of the exclusively homosexual areas of San Francisco. We are supposed to move in and boldly claim a region as a WHITE AREA in the same way that gays took San Francisco as their own. We will then force the local government to accept our chosen sphere of influence without interference.
I see nothing in the guidelines for PLE that blocks Jews as living among us. As daring and arrogant as most Jews are, they would move right nextdoor and personally challenge the "ALL WHITE" community. Yes, it sounds that way to me too. And if you try to put anything down legally, that's a prima facie violation of civil rights laws.
It would make national news and soon the numerous Whites who are already Anti-Hitler..(this is where you need to know the background of H. Michael Barrett....I've argued with him on several White message boards over the last 5 years...he is originally from England and has a father who is Pro-Churchill and for the sake of his family ties Mr. H. Michael Barrett left the so-called "NS Cult"...read about PLE from his own words and you will notice how many times he uses the term "NS Cult", he even recommends books on [url="http://www.amazon.com/"]www.amazon.com[/url] on how to withdraw yourself from this horrible "NS Cult" and enter the normal White community:
Now actually I'm not sure if he might have some legitimate points here about NS being a religious cult. I tried to argue the same thing on [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=110206&postcount=6]this thread [/URL] and Stormfront of course wouldn't entertain it when I tried there re [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17820]Stormfromt Moderation Policies[/URL]
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Nazi Cultists Can Deprogram Themselves With This Book, December 18, 2001 Use This book and This Free Deprogramming technique:
Those who suspect that they may have fallen into the isolating well of Nazi cultism, and are having difficulty climbing out to rejoin their family members and the rest of the community, are advised to consider the Pioneer Little Europe exercises for recovering the tormented among us.
The polarized beliefs many Whites have about Hitler are not, contrary to what is constantly said by the Zionist media and modern day nazi cultists, solely attributable to the propaganda of one side or the other.
While it is true that the godlike image of Hitler was especially well sharpened by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, through the vivid impression creating influences of radio and film, Hitler's opponents actually contribute much more to fuel the modern cult image.
The leading element of today's propaganda is a description of the devil incarnate, not a person with human strengths and weaknesses who was once easily overlooked in a crowd. The new image is attributable to opponents at least swallowing part of what Goebbels offered, or not fighting the superman impression, then adding a dark spin.
And picking up the same propaganda tool as Joseph Goebbels, which was usually a highly selective criteria for which images and messages would be shown or held back, Hitler's opponents inadvertently managed to promote a dysfunctional cultism.
Hitler cultism in that form, however, became so sinister that it was separated from its original purposes, which was to unite, inspire, and lead people into actions intended to benefit them. It was not to create a cult separated from any normality.
Today's Hitler cultism is a mixed creation offered by two separate camps that are separated from the White community, the Zionists and pro-Hitler cultists who converted - or snapped - from Zionist propaganda. Shaking off the cultism, however, is not an easy matter, as it's been fueled by both sides since the beginning.
Those who suspect that they have been conditioned into cultism, a feeling which arises when we find our actions out of step with the people important to us, are advised to use this method for gaining their freedom.
Those who read and think more extensively than other people tend to be the most deeply conditioned, and will commit themselves to cultism without seeing any progress for incredibly long periods of time. If you even suspect you are in this category, try the following more cerebral exercises for straightening yourself out:
1) Begin with a study of conditioned reflexes, which began as a more formal science under Ivan Pavlov, but chose a more modern and popular exposition to grasp the subject quickly. Among the recommended books are "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargant & "Snapping" by Flo Conway & Jim Siegelman, or the film Ticket to Heaven.
2) Examine also any books or films available on how people such as Roosevelt, Hitler, Churchill, and Stalin used the media to promote their images. Pay particular attention to how the public reacted to radio, and read about the Orson Welles radio program that caused many Americans to believe that they were being attacked from Mars
3) Obtain the little pamphlet "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer the San Francisco longshoreman. Hoffer took cult criticism to such an extreme that he actually neglected to acknowledge how cultism, in a more sublimated, controlled, and moderate level, is commonplace in society. This left wing book was selling at the George Lincoln Rockwell book shop in 1970, shortly before the NSWPP lost most of its leaders, and it had a lot to do with key people reassessing themselves
4) Sir Oswald Mosley was one of the few major figures of national socialism and fascism to survive WW2, and it is extremely important to note that his autobiography includes a postwar assessment of "the movement." Find our why Mosley said fascism is obsolete, or why he felt Hitler had failed, as his perspective is leaps and bounds ahead of those further down the ranks. And read Diana Mosley's books, as no one ever said she abandoned the cause, and find out what she thought of Hitler and Mosley.
5) Contact the person who straightened you out and find out how you can help others.
6) Admit to your family that you were a cultist. Some will start telling you how Hitler and National Socialism actually had many positive points, but put your emphasis on building your own community with them.[/QUOTE] This guy is right on actually it appears to me.