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Thread ID: 19215 | Posts: 4 | Started: 2005-07-19
2005-07-19 17:44 | User Profile
[B]Pipeline News disagrees w/ Fahey on Bob Novak/Operation MOCKINGBIRD [/B]
William (ed/pub, [url]http://PipelineNews.org[/url]),
Buckley has not 'fessed up to being--past his OSS days at a very tender age--a longtime CIA conduit in Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The first time you heard of this might have been last night, when I told you that I had worked with his CIA station-partner Theodore L. Humes/Huminski (Buckley and Humes being both stationed in Japan, 1951-54).
Ted had a loose tongue, was going senile (not a jab at the dear man: he died of Alzheimer's) when I knew him, and he told me quite a lot of things; was still 85% "there" when I knew him, but people could tell he was experiencing the symptoms of onset-Alzheimer's. He was very clear, though, about his and Buckley's days together, and spoke often of Buckley and MOCKINGBIRD. He and Buckley had remained friends throughout Ted's life, and I waited long past the man's passing to state this, out of respect.
I ain't no fan of Karl Rove (I'm a Ron Paul--Republican, w/ fondness for Tom Tancredo on immigration issues). But if Novak burned Valerie Plame/Wilson, we're likely not going to know about it, as CIA covers up for its own. I'd like to see a few squirm, though.
Such was my interest in raising the MOCKINGBIRD issue, as Novak is very likely a CIA agent himself.
Regards,
TBF
... [to Fahey]
Well I was referring only to Buckley and the OSS, the mockingbird stuff is where the conspiracy buff skeptic kicks in.
I admire Rove for his ability and I am very disappointed in the missteps that the Bush admin has made since November, Tancredo is one of the few members of the House who is worth his salary, Ron Paul and the libertarians have it wrong on many important issues including the war on terror imho.
Regardless, Bill Buckley is the father of modern conservatism and I couldnt hold him in higher regard if he actually lived on Mt. Olympus.
What Rich Lowrey, Jonah Goldberg and the rest have done to NR is a crime.
W
... http://"pipelinenews.org" wrote:
[to Fahey]
With all due respect Todd, the entire premise is tinfoil hat.
Buckley was in the OSS 60 years ago...that is not a secret, its on the inside flap of half of his fiction books.
:-)
I really don't have inclination right now to engage in a debate over a conspiracy theory because I have found in the past that adherents to such implausible explanations seldom if ever see past that type of reasoning.
I hope you understand that this is not a personal criticism, before you sent this I was unaware of your writing.
btw as you might be aware spy vs spy was a former staple in MAD magazine, I thought from the title of your piece that it was a takeoff on that but as applicable to the Rove "affair."
Again I suggest you familiarize yourself with the facts of the case, irrespective of the conspiracy angles so you can understand the viewpoint of many, that Rove is guilty of nothing even assuming that he did mention something regarding Liar Joe Wilson's idiot wifey.
You may want to consult the most recent entry in the following which is something I penned for a new blog on my local newspaper.
[url]http://cctimeswatch.blogspot.com/[/url]
One last thingie, I always suggest Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum to conspiracy buffs, just to give them an inside out view of where that type of "secret society" type thing can lead, if you aren't familiar with it I suggest you pick up a copy, I guarantee you will love it.
regards & good luck,
W
... ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Fahey To: [url]http://pipelinenews.org[/url] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Spy versus Spy: Robert Novak, the CIA's MOCKINGBIRD program, and the Plame/Wilson Scandal
William,
What, of my article, in your opinion, begets the "tinfoil"-label?
Do you know of Operation MOCKINGBIRD? &, if so--and knowing that Phil Graham, the then-publisher of the Washington Post who committed suicide (?)--was, in fact, the lead media agent withing MOCKINGBIRD. ...Bob Woodward is also a CIA MOCKINGBIRD operative. This ain't tinfoil.
Is it such a stretch to think that Robert Novak may have been recruited by CIA through the same project? That's what I'm positing.
I know from William F. Buckley's CIA partner Ted Humes (my former boss in Arizona, 1986-87) during their stationing in Japan, that Buckley is CIA and was part of MOCKINGBIRD. Having worked with and around such types for 20 years, I can smell it.
So, again, is it simply that my stating that I believe Bob Novak to be CIA/MOCKINGBIRD strikes you as "tinfoil"; or are you questioning other aspects of the piece to which you commented? I'm interested in your specific questions.
All best wishes,
TBF
... http://"pipelinenews.org" wrote:
Mr Fahey
The most plausible explanation is that Mr. Rove indeed told the truth to the grand jury, that he merely made reference to Liar Joe Wilson's wife getting him sent to Niger, and that Matt Cooper, whose wife afterall is Mandy Grunwald the Dems most powerful political consultant, shouldn't hang it out there too far with Liar Joe's lying report on Niger.
Have you actually read the operative section of the 1982 law which sets the backdrop for this controversy?
I suggest you do, to me your theory is pure tinfoil hat stuff.
Assuming the worst about Rove, what he did doesn't even come close to violating the law, I don't think you know much about how this admin works, we on the right wish it played as tough as the left is claiming, but it ain't true.
Thanks anyway for the input & regards,
William E&P [url]http://www.pipelinenews.org[/url]
2005-07-19 19:56 | User Profile
To Angeleyes
With a tip 'o the tinfoil ...
I read your response to the previous tbf post and am replying here. As one who has been around, what do you think of the MOCKINGBIRD tie-in to Novak? (it took a while to unscramble who was saying what to whom in this latest post)
At issue seems to be whether MOCKINGBIRD's existence is a "conspiracy" or not. What is funny to me, inside the tinfoil hat, is how both "W" and Guckert Birchers can first predicate that Willy F. ***ley was OCC (Gelen org nazi recruted by the Cath-'o-Jews), tacitly agreeing prominent member of government and society are controlled by the United States Central Sht-for-brains Agency, .... then sign off with lines like "don wanna debate conspiracy theory because I have found in the past that adherents to such implausible explanations seldom if ever see past that type of reasoning."
What do you make of that? -- First admitting a conspiracy exists inside the United States Central Shi*t-for-Brains Agency, from its inception to Cardinal Allen RingKisser's sainthood, then attacking the way those who root them out reason? One likes Rove the other doesn't.
Sound like Jews talking Holycaust management, to me. What about yourself?
Tip, Tip...
2005-07-19 20:34 | User Profile
TA
I don't know much about this, so here is what I think. Certainly an intriguing angle to the exploitation of the press.
Mockingbird, initiated before the 1970's emasculation of CIA, was likely inforce for some time. Aim? Counter propaganda versus Red media plants. Being handy, I do not doubt, given what we know about Kennedy and Nixon and their uses of media in the dawn of the TV age, Mockingbird probably sent out all manner of signals, symbols, and images to support various agenda, with the only hitch being the occasional editorial control. Hmmm, get the right editors in the right desks at a paper, and that snag goes away. I'd have to read three years worth of major papers to get a sense of the message themes being sent out.
Buckley? Firmly believe he was in it. Not sure how long he would have hung with them once the Senate hearings got underway. He may have stayed plugged in, may have pulled out in fear of exposure.
Novak? If the program survived the Senate hearings, no reason not to believe that whoever ran the program was recruiting folks in order to keep the messages and signals coming out in the Information War. Why not Novak, and others. Why settle for just a few?
A free press is a tool for EVERYONE who can get something published. Why would any politician ignore a weapon? The overt use, the misdirection, is supplied by the Press Secretary. The subliminal message provided by the "independent voices of the Fourth Estate."
Three card Monte dealers have been pulling stunts like that for years. :wink:
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]To Angeleyes
With a tip 'o the tinfoil ...
Tip, Tip...[/QUOTE]
2005-07-19 23:25 | User Profile
AE
We have one of those editors here (Binghamton, NY)....that's very good info you put up! If tbf had any real convictions about America he ... (can't finish the sentence....tried, but nothing came, the antecedent was so absurd....who could live with themselves after all the suffering these tiptoe-thru-the-tulip shiavo twins have caused?) (shiavos = brain deadheads jerked forward on a platform in front of cameras = Re-pubes)
all best (I don't assume you agree with me on much -- doesn't matter; words carry cred.)