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Thread ID: 19159 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2005-07-15
2005-07-15 18:16 | User Profile
Up to you guys what to think about this......... Ponce
A Historical Look At Israeli False Flag Operations
With all that we see happening with the London bombings, I think it is wise for us to take a brief look at some historical information. History could be repeating itself. British and American targets have been bombed many times in the past and the evidence seemed to point to specific perpetrators. But as was discovered numerous times, the evidence was faked.
Numerous writers, scientists, investigators and even political figures have pointed out Israelââ¬â¢s involvement with 911. There is a huge pile of evidence that is being ignored, shoveled under the carpet and being labeled as ââ¬Åurban legendââ¬Â regarding Israelââ¬â¢s involvement in 911. We should know that Jews have a consistent history of fraudulent actions resulting in the loss of lives of millions of human beings to accomplish their purpose.
False flag operations are not new for Jews. As I will show in the list below, false flag operations, the act of committing terrorist actions and having others blamed for it, is a technique that they have employed in numerous situations for hundreds even thousands of years. Not only have they done false flag operations to blame Muslims, they have done these actions to have others blamed like, the Czarist government in Russia, other Jews, Germany, enemy organizations and states, etc. I also find it interesting that they have been caught red handed in numerous false flag operations. Not once but several times they have been caught. As regards todayââ¬â¢s terrorists actions, it is interesting to note that Israelis have been caught in false flag operations attempting to have Muslims blamed, but yet there is not one false flag operation where Muslims were caught attempting to blame Jews. We should really think about this and ask the reasonable question of, ââ¬ÅI wonder why that is?ââ¬Â
Here is a brief look at some past Jewish actions showing their treachery, deception and fraud in having innocents take the blame for their horrible actions. I have summarized this and provided links to most of the facts listed below. Doing a google search on any of the facts presented will yield even more information:
According to our Bible, it was Jews who were responsible for falsely accusing Jesus, deceiving the masses about his true mission and causing him to be crucified by the Romans. It is also true that in the Bible Jesus called Jews murderers, children of the devil, vipers and other vile things. Jesus did not pull any punches in describing them. I guess in todayââ¬â¢s world he would have been arrested for anti-Semitism. But he realized the truth and exposed them for what they really were. You Christian Zionists and far right Christians should go study your Bible. You may either learn something or come back denouncing Jesus as an anti-Semite.
According to many respected WW1 historians it was Jews who tricked Britain into agreeing to give them Palestine in exchange for getting the U.S. into WW1. Benjamin Freedman, a friend of some of the major leaders in our time and who is also a Jew, admitted this during a major speech given to patriots in 1961. The Neturei Karta, a devoutly Jewish religious group also admits the same. There are numerous scholars, historians and Jews who describe in detail how WW1 was started and fought with one of the main goals being getting Palestine for Jews. Here are links to more information about that:
[url]http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/benjamin_h_freedman_on_zionism.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/therealevil.html[/url]
[url]http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagenda2bestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/therealevil.html[/url]
[url]http://www.savethemales.ca/030203.html[/url]
On the morning of July 22, 1946, a group of 15-20 Irgun terrorists dressed as Arabs entered the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They unloaded 225 kilograms of explosives hidden in milk churns.(1) The King David Hotel housed the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine. When a British officer became suspicious, a shootout took place and the Irgun lit the fuses and fled. The explosion destroyed part of the hotel and killed 91 people. Most of the victims were British but 15 innocent Jews also died. It must not be felt that Begin was merely suspected of being behind these murderous deeds. Begin admitted that the Irgun committed these acts and that they were necessary for the establishment of a Jewish state.
[url]http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/therealevil.html[/url]
[url]http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6854[/url]
[url]http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/mossad/lavon_affair.htm[/url]
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[url]http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/[/url]
[url]http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/Mexico2.html[/url]
I could go on and on with more travesties committed by Jews. But I hope you are getting my point. The information above is all true about Jews and Israel. Yet we donââ¬â¢t learn from these lessons of the past when new terroristsââ¬â¢ actions are committed. I agree with Mark Glenn who wrote the following words:
ââ¬ÅAmerica's only ally in the Middle East, Israel, has been responsible for more acts of terror, sabotage, and murder of American citizens than the Muslims ever were. By her duplicity, she has put Americans in more danger than they have ever known or will know. She has bombed hotels, American government buildings, deliberately allowed hundreds of US Marines to be killed in their barracks in Lebanon, assaulted a US intelligence gathering ship, the USS Liberty (for the purposes of blaming the Arabs and thus drawing America into her war against them) stole and then sold America's most sensitive nuclear weapons technology to her enemies, (Russia and China) and by all indicators most certainly was involved in the 9/11 attacks. Whether it was the testimony given by the Israeli pilots who bombed and machine gunned the USS Liberty (killing 34 American sailors and wounding almost 200 more) or whether it was the Israeli intelligence officers who were arrested on 9/11 (while videotaping the destruction and cheering for a job well done) so much evidence exists which leaves no doubt as to who America's real enemy is, and yet short of one individual's conviction and prison sentence, Jonathon Pollard, nothing has been done with Israel with respect to justice or the interests of America's security. By contrast, year after year she is rewarded with more and more money and even more in terms of immunity and insulation from public scrutiny. The American people, supposedly a Christian people, have displayed not an ounce of the same concern for this obvious danger against their physical well-being which they attempt to display now over the supposed danger posed by Islamic extremism. Through the eyes of a Muslim therefore, the picture of the modern day Western Christian is one of an intellectually compliant, politically and religiously complacent individual who cannot think for himself or act in his own best interests outside of the programming which he receives from his Zionist puppet masters. Even today, as the headlines are blaring out the obvious vindication of this image by virtue of the fact that the war in Iraq was fought on completely false pretenses, the average conservative Christian in America who has adopted this irrational fear of Islam has taken no note of this nor does he appear to have been affected in the least.ââ¬Â
[url]http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/muslimview.html[/url]
Israel has a proven track record of false flag operations causing death and destruction to their ââ¬Åallies and supportersââ¬Â. Yet we never hear about any of this in the main stream media. When a terrorist act is committed, this false flag history of the Israelis is never brought up as a possibility to consider. If we are going to be intelligent people and truly find the real culprits, shouldnââ¬â¢t we look at all possibilities and learn from the lessons from the past? As the old saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!" Instead of doing this, the first thing we hear from our leaders and without any evidence are ââ¬ÅAl-Qaedaââ¬Â, ââ¬ÅMuslim terroristsââ¬Â. When at the same time Israelis have been caught attempting to frame Muslims numerous times.
Yet Americans still see Israel as their best friend. Billions of dollars is freely given to Israel every year, we fight their wars for them, and we trust them in the highest positions in our government. For Godââ¬â¢s sake America why are we allowing this? Why are we not investigating, sanctioning, attacking, freezing funds, etc from Israel? What more do we need? America is headed towards repeating the mistakes of Czarist Russia. If we are not careful we will have another Bolshevik Revolution on American soil with tragic consequences maybe more deadly than the ones that killed more than 60 million innocent Russians.
2005-07-15 21:26 | User Profile
An outstanding post Ponce...Thanks. :clap:
2005-07-15 23:19 | User Profile
Thanks Vytis, the reason that I am posting from now on is that when ever I say something about the Jews either Tex or AngelEyes want to see the evidence (article) and when I go to look for it they are always GONEEEEEE.
AngelEyes ask for it because he is pro-Jewish and he dosen't like for anyone to talk against the Jews........and Tex? can't make up my mind yet about him.
2005-07-17 18:21 | User Profile
i havent read your post yet, ponce - but from what ive seen of you so far, im sure its exellent. :king:
what im missing, and ill get back to this in another thread, is a history of these places od and the phora, the characters involved, the flamings and bannings - the entire history of the wn boards -net life..
are there such a thing to be found or will it have to be created?
there should be a intrnal history thread, telling the history of this place, the people whove visited and the phases weve gone throug..
and..
this might let one more easily let one dissect the big lines of certain posters sympathies and work ethics?
2005-07-18 17:12 | User Profile
PS: EDIT. How is the Liberty Attack "false flag." It was pretty blatant.
Honorable John Stenbit, Assistant Secretary for Defense C3I, said, "The Israeli's told us 24 hours before that we had a ship called the Liberty, and if we didn't move it they would sink it. Unfortunately, [u]the ship was not mov[/u]ed and by the time the message arrived the ship was taking on water.
Ennes' book spells out the details on that, if I remember right. Been a while since I read it. Interesting that MacNamara chose to expend USS Liberty . . . the asshole.
[QUOTE=Ponce]AngelEyes ask for it because he is pro-Jewish and he dosen't like for anyone to talk against the Jews........and Tex? can't make up my mind yet about him.[/QUOTE]Talk against the Jews all you like, I respect more substance and less hot air. Glad to see you found an interesting article. Thanks. :blow: [QUOTE] 2. According to many respected WW1 historians it was Jews who tricked Britain into agreeing to give them Palestine in exchange for getting the U.S. into WW1. Benjamin Freedman, a friend of some of the major leaders in our time and who is also a Jew, admitted this during a major speech given to patriots in 1961. The Neturei Karta, a devoutly Jewish religious group also admits the same. [u]There are numerous scholars, historians and Jews who describe in detail how WW1 was started and fought with one of the main goals being getting Palestine for Jews.[/u] Here are links to more information about that:
[/QUOTE]The assertion that an explicit war aim of any of the Imperial powers was an establishment of Palestine as Jewish homeland is an interesting theory. The biggest international financiers of the time, the Rothschilds (called by some "King of the Jews" at the time) were apparently not in the pro war party in the UK. Their French branch was up to its ears in Russian bonds and debt. I can't see how they would have wanted a war, they'd lose (and did lose) a bundle. I'd be interested to see credible sources and the background of this theory. Sounds intriguing.
The problem with Freedman's discussion, which is very interesting, thanks, is that You Forget that the War was not aimed at being years long. THe war plans had France out of the war by October/November! Freedman points to a 1916 timeframe, which strikes me as some folks taking an opportunity that a prolonged war offered them. Interesting the assertion that a guarantee of American entry was offered. Very interesting. That misses the point of 1913/1914 war aims, but it is nonetheless of note.
[QUOTE] "The Balfour Declaration was a letter prepared in March 1916 and issued in November 1917, during World War I, by the British statesman Arthur James Balfour, then foreign secretary....Specifically, the letter expressed the British government's approval of Zionism with ââ¬Åthe establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.ââ¬Â [/QUOTE]You will note that is, once again, [u]two years after the war started[/u], and a year and a half after France should have been outof the war, based on War Plans.
This, however, makes some political sense.
[size=4][QUOTE][size=3]The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that. [/size][/QUOTE] [/size]
Turkey had been going under for decades. It was predictable that if UK/France/Russia won, one outcome would be dividing up Turkey's holdings. Thing is, that outcome was very much in doubt for the first two years. A compelling reason to believe that Jews as a people would benefit from WW I was that [u]Russia[/u] was the prime foe of Germany; France was to be knocked out so the Kaiser et al could concentrate on Russia in a one front, not two front, war; Russian Jew issues were rough in the decades leading up to the war; Germany was strategically on interior lines and had a better shot at winning a war versus Russia if France could be knocked out successfully. That was Von Schlieffen's and Moltke's plan. So, if the presumption is that Russia was the problem, was Russia a problem due to its treatment of Jews, or was Russia a problem due to other issues? I find it hard to believe the Kaiser cared one way or another about how Russia treated its Jews.
Was Bethmann Hollweg a Jew? I don't think so.
I have never seen record of German war aims -- as in "terms we want from the Czar regarding a reduction in pogroms and supporting policies" -- in the event of Russian defeat and surrender in 1914/1915 time frame.
Anyone have a credible source, preferably German?
Brits "tricked" into creating Palestine?
That is at least partly true. The evidence suggests it was a combination of open lobbying campaign, decades long, that met with both pro and con in the British Government over the years. The campaign tapped into Protestant sympathies for Israel; Disraeli's pro-Jewishness; the needs of Empire (what to do about Ottoman areas when Turkey finally self destructed, how to exploit that opportunity) and the opportunity of Versailles.
Herzl and his ilk had both friends and enemies in Parliament. There is no doubt that Rothschild support and influence via the Exchequer, via back room relationships, kept "pro" arguments in front of the decision makers. I think Irish Home Rule was a big problem for the opposition party; the decision might have gone otherwise regarding the mandate. Maybe not. Maybe Rothschild's influence, via money and gold, would have made it irrelevant which party was in power.
How is that a false flag? What the Zionists had to piggy back onto was a subject the Brits were aggressively pursuing for their own ends: expanding the Empire into the Mosul Oil Fields. I think it is ironic that in 1921 the Brits appointed an Al Husseini to governor of Palestine, which did not help the Jewish cause of the time: not hardly.
Am I misunderstanding what he means by "false flag?" It seems to me it was pretty overt, but maybe I see as clear in hindsight what was covert at the time. The Zionist agenda was no big secret by 1918.
And this make some sense as well.
*Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with their statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by Jewish intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said "Shema' Yisroel" or "Our Father." Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat. *
2005-07-18 22:14 | User Profile
AngelEyes? did you know that your people have invested 2.5 BILLIONS dollars in US bonds, and still they want more mony.....also read below, intersting.
According to the Zionists "Bush is doing Gods work by helping them" lol.
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13 Jul 05 16:10
[B]Israel has $4.9 billion in unused loan guarantees[/B], according to figures from the Ministry of Finance Accountant General Debt Management Unit. At the request of the White House, [B]in 2003 Congress approved $9 billion in loan guarantees to be used in 2003-05.[/B] In 2005, at the specific request of the Israeli government, the US agreed to extend the loan guarantees program through the end of 2008, because Israel did not need the money at this time, after cutting its budget deficits and projected significantly higher revenue from taxes and privatization.
Yesterday's leaks about the visit by a delegation of directors general to Washington to discuss the disengagement implied that the $2 billion in aid that the US will give Israel for financing the disengagement plan and for development of the Negev and Galilee would only partly comprise a grant. Most of the grant will be for moving IDF bases from the Gaza Strip to Israel and other defense costs. Most of the aid will be in the form of loan guarantees, which Israel can use to raise money on international capital markets.
This means that the unused loan guarantees, together with an additional $1-1.5 billion in expected new guarantees over the next three-four years, add up to $5.9-6.4 billion through the end of 2009.
Raising money backed by the loan guarantees in 2000-04 increased Israel's net foreign debt by 13.6%, or $3.7 billion, to $30.9 billion. If the existing and expected loan guarantees are used in full, Israel's external debt could grow by an additional $6.4 billion, amounting to 6% of GDP.
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2005-07-18 23:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]AngelEyes? did you know that your people have invested 2.5 BILLIONS dollars in US bonds, and still they want more mony.....also read below, intersting.
What: Texans have invested 2.5 Billion in US bonds? What are you talking about? Or are you drooling again? Zoraster put up those numbers a while back. [QUOTE] According to the Zionists "Bush is doing Gods work by helping them" lol. [/QUOTE]Really? Fascniating revelation, that.
[QUOTE] Israel has $4.9 billion in unused loan guarantees, according to figures from the Ministry of Finance Accountant General Debt Management Unit. At the request of the White House, in 2003 Congress approved $9 billion in loan guarantees to be used in 2003-05. [/QUOTE]
2005-07-19 03:00 | User Profile
This new "free" gift of 2.5 billions has nothing to do with the 2.5 billions that they use to buy US bonds......I see no difference between giving money to the Jews and giving money to a lawyer because they are both a bucket without a bottom.
Even if they get the new "gift" on 2.5 billions the Jews will never leave Palestinian lands and as long as they are there they will find no peace and will be in a state of war 24 hours a day.
I told you, either you are a pro-Jew or you are not, you cannot be a fence sitter ,like I wrote before "that's like a girl saying that she is only half pregnant" therefore when I say "your people" I am saying that you are a Jews.......is that clear?
So, from now on I will treat you with my comments like I would with a Jew.
2005-07-19 03:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]So, from now on I will treat you with my comments like I would with a Jew.[/QUOTE]Proof positive of the profound limitation of your mind numbingly deficient intellect. How does it feel to be willfully ignorant? Is it like being drunk, only you can't sober up? Hell, how would you know, since you've never been able to "sober up" to average intelligence?
Bow to the East, five times each day, or no virgins for you.
2005-07-19 04:16 | User Profile
"If the shoe fits", AngelEye? I have found out that the Jews "ALWAYS" curse someone out when ever they find themselves against a wall as you are doing, what else can I say? you just proved my point.
I have read about this before and now I am going to post it, enjoy.
Sacrificing Europeââ¬â¢s Jews The correlative to the acts of collaboration with the Nazis throughout the 1930ââ¬â¢s was that when attempts to change the immigration laws of the United States and Western Europe were contemplated in order to provide token refuge for persecuted Jews of Europe, it was the Zionists who actively organized to stop these efforts.
Ben Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938: [U]"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative." [/U] [84] This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect select manpower to Palestine would be impeded. From 1933 to 1935, the WZO turned down two-thirds of all the German Jews who applied for immigration certificates.
Berel Katznelson, editor of the Labor Zionist Davar, described the "cruel criteria of Zionism": [B]German Jews were too old to bear children in Palestine, lacked trades for building a Zionist colony, didnââ¬â¢t speak Hebrew and werenââ¬â¢t Zionists. In place of these Jews [/B] facing extermination the WZO brought to Palestine 6,000 trained young Zionists from the United States, Britain and other safe countries. Worse than this, the WZO not merely failed to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, the Zionist leadership opposed belligerently all efforts to find refuge for fleeing Jews.
[B]As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to "study" the problem.[/B] Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.
This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in U.S. immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:
It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference ... It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws
2005-07-19 21:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]"If the shoe fits", AngelEye? I have found out that the Jews "ALWAYS" curse someone out when ever they find themselves against a wall as you are doing, what else can I say? you just proved my point.
I have read about this before and now I am going to post it, enjoy. [/QUOTE] Your logic once again sucks. You don't have to be a Jew to flame a jerk on a forum, Ponce, and when you start name calling you are being a jerk. I'll now and again get down into the gutter and flame you for it. You reap what you sow.
On a happier note, it took me three days, but I finally waded through all of the various links you provided in your initial sally.
Some interesting stuff. A couple of them are now bookmarked. Thanks. Some of it was new.
2005-07-19 21:34 | User Profile
Well Angel, if to call you a Jew is name calling then what can I say?
To me "name calling" is something bad and it looks to me like calling you a Jew is a bad thing.
So make up your mind, on which side of the fence are you on? ours or theirs?
I do have a hell of a lot more links about the Jews and the Communists and you are more than welcome if you want them.
PS: Name calling, cursing and personal insult is against the policy of this forum and I would never do that.
:whlch: <-----go Ponce go.
2005-07-19 22:00 | User Profile
im going in!! angeleyes, your name sucks. do you pretend to be some alphabet agent observing the net, or are you just the looser jerk, pretending to be a looser jerk agent? whitch is it?!
and,
when you where critisizing ponces discription of how jewish bankiers could have involvment in the russian revolution you said they couldent be involved cause if they lost russia to the reds theyd loose all their russian investments..
now, you couldent possebly be this stupid, angel..?
you are a disinformationist, yes?
if jew bankiers lost all their russian investments one day and gained the whole of russia the next, what kind of calkulations do you think their math experts came up with?
that was not a good argument, was it?
:king:
2005-07-19 23:14 | User Profile
Angel & Ponce,
I enjoy reading your posts, and have gotten interesting info from both of you.
Don't waste your time beating each other up! The only one who wins then is guess who :caiphas: ????
2005-07-20 22:42 | User Profile
Prince Harry:
Try coherence next time.
[QUOTE=Prince Harry]im going in!! angeleyes, your name sucks. do you pretend to be some alphabet agent observing the net, or are you just the looser jerk, pretending to be a looser jerk agent? whitch is it?!
What is an alphabet agent? I'm not familiar with that slang. My handle here comes from an old Clint Eastwood movie: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Ever watch it? It was a Western made in Spain by an Italian.
[QUOTE]
when you where critisizing ponces discription of how jewish bankiers could have involvment in the russian revolution you said they couldent be involved cause if they lost russia to the reds theyd loose all their russian investments..
[/QUOTE]1. It was a cut and paste Ponce used, not his own work.
2. Having studied, in depth, the political and military background of WW I's start, I find the glib assertion that the war originated for the benifit of Russin Jews to clash with evidence that I am familiar with. There is NO question that an activist group of Jews took advantage of World War I to advance the Zionist cause.
3. If you want to be taken seriously, write as though this were a discussion forum, not a chat room.
4. Do you have a credible source that supports the assertion that Kaiser Wilhelm II, not a Jew, started World War I to free Russian Jews from the Czar's policies? That is the assertion made, unsupported, in the link Ponce referred to, but if you know what that is based on, other than inductive reasoning, I'd like to take a look at the source. I learn something new everyday.
[QUOTE] ow, you couldent possebly be this stupid, angel..?[/QUOTE]
If I am stupid, you just demonstrated less than Mongoloid IQ. Who wipes up your drool, your Mom or the nice lady at the foster home?
[QUOTE] you are a disinformationist, yes?[/QUOTE]No, I am someone who uses his brain. You appear not to be such a person.
[QUOTE]if jew bankiers lost all their russian investments one day and gained the whole of russia the next, what kind of calkulations do you think their math experts came up with?[/QUOTE] Since it took three years for that magical happening to take place, and a war that was planned to be over in less than one, I find your argument lacking. Now, the idea that a long term strategy was in place, based in London's financial district and the House of Rothschild, to dismantle the European Imperial system has been presented. Nathan Rothschild and his brothers, cousins, and other associates stood to benifit. In that light, a short term loss of Russian bonds (held mostly in Paris) being written off as the price willingly paid to advance other agenda, such as Palestine, French and English bonds, American bonds, makes some strategic sense. That sort of plan hinges upon Kaiser Wilhelm II and his lot playing along willingly . . . and not winning a quick victory. [QUOTE] that was not a good argument, was it?[/QUOTE]Like I said, given what I know about war aims in five capitals in 1914, what I am looking for is details to fill in the gaps that match what Ponce's source asserts, and what rational analysis of German War aims were, that don't logically conflict.
If you are not going to contribute to merits of a discussion, you are merely acting out a bit of Shakespeare, typing:
"The words of an idiot, filled with sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Yeah, that would be Prince Harry's post.
2005-07-20 22:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]Angel & Ponce,
I enjoy reading your posts, and have gotten interesting info from both of you.
Don't waste your time beating each other up! The only one who wins then is guess who :caiphas: ????[/QUOTE] Well said, sir. :thumbsup:
2005-07-20 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Well Angel, if to call you a Jew is name calling then what can I say?
To me "name calling" is something bad and it looks to me like calling you a Jew is a bad thing.
So make up your mind, on which side of the fence are you on? ours or theirs?
I do have a hell of a lot more links about the Jews and the Communists and you are more than welcome if you want them.
PS: Name calling, cursing and personal insult is against the policy of this forum and I would never do that.
:whlch: <-----go Ponce go.[/QUOTE] Ponce:
You not only did that, this is the at least the second time you have done it with me.
Don't protest your innocence, it rings hollow. It is as obvious as a dog's balls that you intend insult when you call me a Jew, I have told you explicitly of my ancestry in an old thread. You then state that you will treat me as one. When I observe how you speak of Jews, how other than an insult can I take your statement?
We can disagree, which is fine. I don't see the world the same as you. That is also fine. I have already benefitted by reading some of the links you last posted, though I have to use a grain of salt . . . like with everything I read. Why? Consistency.
As an example, some of the stuff Rivera writes, such as his claim that Kennedy was reducing American presence in Viet Nam in 1963, is so blatantly wrong as to be laughable.
Anyway, amigo, you stow the deliberate insults, and I'll stay friendly side with you.
Can I get a "Hooah?"
2005-07-21 00:14 | User Profile
Hummmmmmmm I am not sure yet what do do with you , you appear to be a very smart individual ,please notice that I din't say intelligent because to me being smart and not thinking is not being intelligent.
You keep talking in favor of the Jews with everything that is out there about them? sorry guy but either you have been brainwashed or you have a girlfriend who must be a Jew or something like that.
I keep reading about those people and searching for something in their favor but up thill now nada (nothing) and the more that I read about them the less that I like them.
So, let's leave it as is and anytime that you talk in favor of the Jews (Zionists) I'll be all over your back.
In that respect I am like you and [U]I always see a job all the way to the end[/U].
And once again I do have a lot of WWW info about the Jews if you want them, specially about them and the Communist party.
2005-07-21 05:12 | User Profile
[U]This is only a partial posting of a lengthy article that I just finished reading.[/U]
[B]What's It All About?[/B]
This is about a world financial implosion, and the eventual creation of a one-world government along with a universal currency.
[U]The Zionists, who control the Federal Reserve,[/U] have used fiat credit to create an enormous inflation for the past 40 years. [U]They used this wealth transfer to buy hard assets, especially monetary metals such as gold, as well as oil,[/U] knowing the coming financial crisis will demand a new currency, and that currency will be commodity-based. [B]The only reason we are in Iraq is so Israel can control the world's oil,[/B] of which Iraq has massive reserves. Their final targets are Iran, and Venezuela, due to those nations also having massive oil reserves.
The ensuing world depression will collapse prices, enabling those holding certain commodities to be in a position to buy everything for pennies. [U]The best part for the Zionist elite, is that will all be blamed on the Muslims[/U]
2005-07-21 14:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Hummmmmmmm I am not sure yet what do do with you , you appear to be a very smart individual ,please notice that I din't say intelligent because to me being smart and not thinking is not being intelligent.
And once again I do have a lot of WWW info about the Jews if you want them, specially about them and the Communist party.[/QUOTE] 1. What to do about me? Take off the blinders, stow the deliberate insults, and you'll tend to find my ears open. As I mentioned in the welcome thread, my real causus belli is the southern border of my country, and the government's failure to defend our borders against invasion for the past 20 years.
Jews and Zionists. When I consider the long term view, strategically, I find that on this board, the matter of Indian and Chinese impact on the world nearly ignored compared to the influence of Zionists. That strikes me as tunnel vision, but I may not see Zionist influence in India and China due to lack of credible sources with which I am personally familiar. I learn something new every day, sometimes I learn it here.
The www is not the only source of info, but there sure is a lot posted on it. The most difficult task is to separate the wheat from the chaffe.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is by default a Jew.
Cheers
2005-07-21 23:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]2. Jews and Zionists. When I consider the long term view, strategically, I find that on this board, the matter of Indian and Chinese impact on the world nearly ignored compared to the influence of Zionists. That strikes me as tunnel vision, but I may not see Zionist influence in India and China due to lack of credible sources with which I am personally familiar. I learn something new every day, sometimes I learn it here.[/QUOTE]
The Indians and the Chinese didn't get the West into two world wars [WWI and WWII]. Nor did they spread communism, leftism and feminism all over the West. Nor do they dominate the Western media and entertainment industries. Nor did they pass nuclear secrets to the former Soviet Union. Nor did they cause half of the world to hate America due to America's funding of, and support of, Zionism.
But the Jews did.
2005-07-28 08:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]The Indians and the Chinese didn't get the West into two world wars [WWI and WWII]. Nor did they spread communism, leftism and feminism all over the West. Nor do they dominate the Western media and entertainment industries. Nor did they pass nuclear secrets to the former Soviet Union. Nor did they cause half of the world to hate America due to America's funding of, and support of, Zionism.
But the Jews did.
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really, wasent elvis part indian?
2005-07-28 09:00 | User Profile
angeleyes..
im wery unhappy with your charachterizations of me. if you where a little more intelligent than you obviously are youd know better that to disrespect royalty the way that you blatantly do..
this behaviour of yours will in turn not create benefits for either you nor your family..
you are wrong on all accounts of your critisism, and i shall expect a lenghty apology befor i shall consider taking to liking you..
if you are concerned by the southern border, and that is your motivation sir, put your lard ass over there and do a job and stay out of the political / historical threads.
now, how hard can that be..?
2005-08-11 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Prince Harry]angeleyes.. im wery unhappy with your charachterizations of me. I call a spade a spade. Spelling counts. [QUOTE] if you where a little more intelligent than you obviously are youd know better that to disrespect royalty the way that you blatantly do.. [/QUOTE]Still writing as if in a chat room? Unimpressive. [QUOTE] this behaviour of yours will in turn not create benefits for either you nor your family.. [/QUOTE]Did you read what I posted? I see no replies to the points I asked clarification on in re Russia and Germany, or are you still hung up on the name? I explained that up front. [QUOTE] you are wrong on all accounts of your critisism, and i shall expect a lenghty apology befor i shall consider taking to liking you.. [/QUOTE]"You are wrong." Brilliant argument technique. . . not. As to my riposte to your insulting post toward me, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. You cast the first stone. [QUOTE] if you are concerned by the southern border, and that is your motivation sir, put your lard ass over there and do a job and stay out of the political / historical threads. [/QUOTE]That is my primary concern, but since I made the profession of arms my life's calling, I have an interest in some of the thoughtful posts on this sub board.
now, how hard can that be..?[/QUOTE]It may be best if you and I don't respond to one another, it appears that we have gotten off on a bad footing. That is OK. Some folks are like oil and water.
Best wishes