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2005-07-11 21:22 | User Profile
Londoners Pay Heavy Price for Blairââ¬â¢s Deception
By Paul Craig Roberts
Do you feel safer now that George Bushââ¬â¢s and Tony Blairââ¬â¢s barbaric attacks on Iraq have brought barbaric attacks to London?
Coordinated attacks on Londonââ¬â¢s transport system have apparently killed at least 50 and injured 700.
It is a terrible thing but hardly surprising.
Did Londoners really think that the British people would not be held accountable for electing and reelecting Tony Blairââ¬âa war criminal under the Nuremberg standardââ¬âwho aided and abetted George Bushââ¬â¢s illegal invasion of Iraq on false pretenses?
Did Londoners really believe that Muslims would have no response to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the slaughter, torture, and detention of Muslims?
Blair and Bush are on their high horses claiming the morality of "civilized nations" and denouncing the retaliation they have provoked as "barbarism."
Their hypocrisy plays poorly in the world. Far more innocent Iraqi civilians, especially women and children, have been slaughtered than British and Americans.
Why do Bush and Blair believe they should be praised for slaughtering civilians and only Muslims denounced?
Why do Americans think it is heroic and honorable for our troops to massacre Iraqis with bombs, missiles, gunships, tanks, and heavy machine guns, but cowardly and barbaric when our victims fight back in the only way they can?
The US and Britain started this fight, not Iraq.
We should be ashamed that Bush and Blair deceived us, tricked us into a pointless and unjust war, and that innocent people on both sides are paying with their lives and limbs for Bushââ¬â¢s and Blairââ¬â¢s lies.
Our real anger should be directed at Bush and Blair who are responsible for the deaths and destruction.
The American and British people had better wake up, depose their immoral leaders, and put a halt to this war.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims. The Iraqi insurgency has proved that Muslims are not intimidated by a "superpower."
Unless the American and British people want a 30-year or a 100-year war, with domestic police states for "security" reasons, and a draft that will bleed their populations dry, this war needs to be wound up quickly with due apologies and reparations.
No more bluster and heroic talk from the two war criminals. The war is breeding terrorism and cannot be won. Only an even-handed diplomacy that breeds trust and ceases to rule Muslims with puppet governments can isolate and reduce terrorist acts.
Muslims are not a few scattered Indian tribes with no place to hide who can be exterminated.
America has no chance of imposing its will on the Muslim world. Muslims have their own will.
As long as Bush continues to operate with Maoââ¬â¢s belief that power comes out of the barrel of a gun, terrorism will prosper and people will die for no reason except their refusal to hold corrupt leaders accountable.
Dr. Roberts, [email him] a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former Contributing Editor of National Review, was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration. He is the author of The Supply-Side Revolution and, with Lawrence M. Stratton, of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelowââ¬â¢s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
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http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050708_londoners.htm
2005-07-12 20:13 | User Profile
Faust:
Mr Roberts raises important points.
What I find troubling is that Mr Roberts, who has plenty of experience and insight to offer regarding governmental decisions at the highest levels, stoops to demagoguery. As for his credentials: Hmm, he smells of a supply side zombie who speaks in symbols and hyperbole. He comes off, to me, as yet another globalist berating other globalists over [u]method[/u], not end state.
His language damages his credibility. Too bad, he has some worthwhile things to say.
The fact that he completely misidentifies the nature of the war, though not who started this round -- that he has right -- is the one of half a dozen holes and gross generalizations in his rant.
His "good intentions" book appears to be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip on that at least. :cowboy:
[QUOTE=Faust]Londoners Pay Heavy Price for Blairââ¬â¢s Deception
By Paul Craig Roberts
Do you feel safer now that George Bushââ¬â¢s and Tony Blairââ¬â¢s barbaric attacks on Iraq have brought barbaric attacks to London?
Coordinated attacks on Londonââ¬â¢s transport system have apparently killed at least 50 and injured 700.
It is a terrible thing but hardly surprising.
Did Londoners really think that the British people would not be held accountable for electing and reelecting Tony Blairââ¬âa war criminal under the Nuremberg standardââ¬âwho aided and abetted George Bushââ¬â¢s illegal invasion of Iraq on false pretenses?
Did Londoners really believe that Muslims would have no response to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the slaughter, torture, and detention of Muslims?
Blair and Bush are on their high horses claiming the morality of "civilized nations" and denouncing the retaliation they have provoked as "barbarism."
Their hypocrisy plays poorly in the world. Far more innocent Iraqi civilians, especially women and children, have been slaughtered than British and Americans.
Why do Bush and Blair believe they should be praised for slaughtering civilians and only Muslims denounced?
Why do Americans think it is heroic and honorable for our troops to massacre Iraqis with bombs, missiles, gunships, tanks, and heavy machine guns, but cowardly and barbaric when our victims fight back in the only way they can?
The US and Britain started this fight, not Iraq.
We should be ashamed that Bush and Blair deceived us, tricked us into a pointless and unjust war, and that innocent people on both sides are paying with their lives and limbs for Bushââ¬â¢s and Blairââ¬â¢s lies.
Our real anger should be directed at Bush and Blair who are responsible for the deaths and destruction.
The American and British people had better wake up, depose their immoral leaders, and put a halt to this war.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims. The Iraqi insurgency has proved that Muslims are not intimidated by a "superpower."
Unless the American and British people want a 30-year or a 100-year war, with domestic police states for "security" reasons, and a draft that will bleed their populations dry, this war needs to be wound up quickly with due apologies and reparations.
No more bluster and heroic talk from the two war criminals. The war is breeding terrorism and cannot be won. Only an even-handed diplomacy that breeds trust and ceases to rule Muslims with puppet governments can isolate and reduce terrorist acts.
Muslims are not a few scattered Indian tribes with no place to hide who can be exterminated.
America has no chance of imposing its will on the Muslim world. Muslims have their own will.
As long as Bush continues to operate with Maoââ¬â¢s belief that power comes out of the barrel of a gun, terrorism will prosper and people will die for no reason except their refusal to hold corrupt leaders accountable.
Dr. Roberts, [email him] a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former Contributing Editor of National Review, was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration. He is the author of The Supply-Side Revolution and, with Lawrence M. Stratton, of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelowââ¬â¢s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050708_londoners.htm[/QUOTE]
2005-07-12 20:22 | User Profile
Leave the bee hive alone and you wont get stung.
Play with fire and you will get burn.
If you keep asking for it sooner or later you will get it.
2005-07-13 03:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Faust:
Mr Roberts raises important points.
What I find troubling is that Mr Roberts, who has plenty of experience and insight to offer regarding governmental decisions at the highest levels, stoops to demagoguery. As for his credentials: Hmm, he smells of a supply side zombie who speaks in symbols and hyperbole. He comes off, to me, as yet another globalist berating other globalists over [u]method[/u], not end state.
His language damages his credibility. Too bad, he has some worthwhile things to say.
The fact that he completely misidentifies the nature of the war, though not who started this round -- that he has right -- is the one of half a dozen holes and gross generalizations in his rant.
His "good intentions" book appears to be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip on that at least. :cowboy:[/QUOTE]
I feel the same about PCR. He's wasting an opportunity by injecting this hysteria into nearly every column. He should stick to writing about economics.
2005-07-13 04:49 | User Profile
The essay makes a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't call it "hysteria"; I think it's just the bitter truth without any sugar coating.
2005-07-14 05:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Londoners Pay Heavy Price for Blairââ¬â¢s Deception
By Paul Craig Roberts
Do you feel safer now that George Bushââ¬â¢s and Tony Blairââ¬â¢s barbaric attacks on Iraq have brought barbaric attacks to London?
Did Londoners really think that the British people would not be held accountable for electing and reelecting Tony Blairââ¬âa war criminal under the Nuremberg standardââ¬âwho aided and abetted George Bushââ¬â¢s illegal invasion of Iraq on false pretenses?
Did Londoners really believe that Muslims would have no response to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the slaughter, torture, and detention of Muslims?
[url]http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050708_londoners.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
These imprecations are certainly dead on. Those who voted for Bush and Blair are responsible for the London slaughter.
They will also be responsible for American deaths if FBI director Mueller's "inevitable" prediction of suicide bombers here comes true.
Itis an unalterable curse that they have brought on themselves forever. What about having a little spine and stand up to psychokillers, aka defenders of the Rove/Guckert/Fincklestein (Arthur)/Shaivo/Republican/Judeo-Christian Gays banging butts in Lincoln's bedroom? They know what 'is' is, allright.
Paul Craig Roberts has a lot of toughening up to do before he addresses those responsible for Vietnam, Ronald Reagan's treacle-down economics and the Gulf Wars expanding to global hatred of everything real American, in the terms they deserve -- and regularly use, themselves for political enemies.
The collective responsibility of the Germans for what Hitler did was, in fact, honorable, compared with the collective responsibility of anti-American americans supporting Bush for the slaughters in London, Madrid, Indodnesia, counting. At least German's fought for their own nation, not someone elses. Bush couldn't carry Hitler's jock strap.
Not likely to happen in the chickenshithawk led Repubes. Why isn't anyone raging about the fact that Time Warner owns CNN, whose Novak broke Valerie Plame's name, as well as Time magazine, whose
He hasn't faced up to what they are and what they have done because deep down he still identifies with much of it.
2005-07-15 15:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]These imprecations are certainly dead on. Those who voted for Bush and Blair are responsible for the London slaughter.
.[/QUOTE]By that logic, anyone who did not vote, or did not vote for Kerry, is just as guilty of the bombing. Is there a jail big enough in Gitmo for all of us?
Hoist on your own petard. :smartass:
Your disdain for the trusting nature of partisan voters has merit.
Concerning the relationship between the citizens and the government, in general, I frequently get a glimpse of Eric Stratton ("Otter" in Animal House) looking out at us from every politician's face, with the thought bubble
"You ****ed up, you trusted us"
Appearing over his head. :mad:
2005-07-15 18:27 | User Profile
Just like I wrote before and here is the evidence, only thing left to do is to find out if those working on the bus were Jews (Zionists).
London Stagecoach Employee Says Bus Bombing Suspicious
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | July 15 2005
We received an e mail from an employee of Stagecoach, the company responsible for the majority of London buses.
Our contact works a route roughly one mile from the site of the bus bombing last Thursday.
The bus driver pointed out that the number 30 bus was the only one to be re-routed after the initial bombs went off in the London Underground, every other bus carried on its normal journey, but for some reason this bus was diverted.
The driver notes the following about CCTV maintainence.
"CCTV gets maintained at least 2 or 3 times a week and can digitally store upto 2 whole weeks worth of footage. this is done by a private contractor....So when I heard that the CCTV wasn't working on a vehicle that's no more than 2 years old since last June.....I'm sorry that's rubbish, I work for the company I know different."
Also a point of interest....last saturday a contractor came to inspect the CCTV on the buses at the depot, According to my supervisor the person spent more than 20 hours over that weekend, 20 hours to see if the CCTV is working? Also that person who came was not a regular contractor, for security reasons the same few people always come to the depot to carry out work, this time it was different.
Drivers in the depot already think the so called bombers had inside help because it was to organised. Some even think it had help from the company."
I have received other information suggesting that the CCTV is regularly maintained and checked. The police pay the bus company to check it, and the bus company makes a substantial profit out of this, so all parties benefit from keeping the CCTV systems working.
This information makes it all the more suspicious that the bus cameras were not working.
Was the mammoth 20 hour inspection session of the CCTV a means of disabling the CCTV, or something even darker? Were the contractors, who were not familiar to the bus company employees, actually placing the bomb?
2005-07-15 19:14 | User Profile
From the majority of the responses [URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4685661.stm]HERE[/URL] I think the British don't have much concern as they should for Blair's deception that led them to be targets for Muslim retribution.
2005-07-16 01:28 | User Profile
Quoting 'eyes [I]"By that logic, anyone who did not vote, or did not vote for Kerry, is just as guilty of the bombing. Is there a jail big enough in Gitmo for all of us?"[/I]
Forget mass punishments until you get responsiblity straight. No, its just those who voted for Bush who will be forever responsible. It was known at the time he was a liar so they voted for a known liar.
Those who voted for Kerry thought they were voting against terror. However deceived they were, they are not responsible. Now they must learn to hate all-out, or live under abuse, which will make them responsible. Everything you see that is rancid, sluttish, child-threatening, grotesque, indecent is due to the Re-pube psychopaths. So let's not hear the whiners blame ANYTHING on liberals.
Those who didn't vote on principle, such as I, knew the election was being twisted by the butt f**kers into into the kind of poison Rove-Atwater-Guckert, Fincklestein, Shiavo, fetus-worwhipping Re-pubes thrive on. And Londoners died for.
2005-07-18 14:11 | User Profile
TA: I think you may have misread my opener.
By that logic, anyone who did not vote, or [u]did not vote for Kerry[/u], is just as guilty of the bombing. The idea I was presenting was that those who [u]did[/u] vote for Kerry under your logic are presumed to have done so in an effort to change the leadership and policy direction in re the US and Middle East, and hence would implicity [u]not[/u] share the blame that you otherwise apportion. The validity of that presumption is open to question.
Not voting under your rule accrues to the apathist blame for failing to act to change a non desirable status quo. "Evil prospers when good men do nothing." There was a choice, albeit the alternatives were, as you suggest, poor. No argument with that.
Don't think we'll get much our disagreement on the remainder of this topic.
Cheers
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]Quoting 'eyes "By that logic, anyone who did not vote, or did not vote for Kerry, is just as guilty of the bombing. Is there a jail big enough in Gitmo for all of us?"
Forget mass punishments until you get responsiblity straight. No, its just those who voted for Bush who will be forever responsible. It was known at the time he was a liar so they voted for a known liar.
Those who voted for Kerry thought they were voting against terror. However deceived they were, they are not responsible. Now they must learn to hate all-out, or live under abuse, which will make them responsible. Everything you see that is rancid, sluttish, child-threatening, grotesque, indecent is due to the Re-pube psychopaths. So let's not hear the whiners blame ANYTHING on liberals.
Those who didn't vote on principle, such as I, knew the election was being twisted by the butt f**kers into into the kind of poison Rove-Atwater-Guckert, Fincklestein, Shiavo, fetus-worwhipping Re-pubes thrive on. And Londoners died for.[/QUOTE]
2005-07-18 17:34 | User Profile
Hey... thanks for taking the trouble to clarify; I do follow your posts and was surprised by this one...
keep truckin' (did you see Dr. Crumb's cartoons recently? -- I tell you its coming apart. Lets be there on the other side...)
2005-07-18 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]Hey... thanks for taking the trouble to clarify; I do follow your posts and was surprised by this one...
keep truckin' (did you see Dr. Crumb's cartoons recently? -- I tell you its coming apart. Lets be there on the other side...)[/QUOTE] Crumb's cartoons, when I was in high school, were some of the neatest stuff I read. Saw the thread on Crumb. sigh He made a difference, I think. :smile: