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Petr [OP]

2005-07-09 14:02 | User Profile

[I]I do not think that this man is merely some average neocon anti-Islam propagandist - I think he is being quite perceptive:[/I]

[url]http://wolfgangbruno.blogspot.com/2005/05/clash-of-fascisms.html[/url]

[FONT=Arial][B]Tuesday, May 03, 2005[/B]

[SIZE=5]The Clash of Fascisms [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][B]by Wolfgang Bruno[/B][/SIZE]

Historian Bat Ye'or fears that it may already be too late to save Europe from Islam, and that the continent will be transformed into Eurabia. Should this come to pass, Eurabia will either slowly decline into just another overpopulated Islamic failure, or it will be used as a staging ground for Islamic aggression against the rest of the infidel world. With Europe’s nuclear weapons and accumulated resources at disposal, Eurabia would be so dangerous that the Americans, the Israelis, the Indians, the Russians and maybe even the Chinese would be forced to crush it. According to this scenario, Islam will fall, but it will drag Europe down with it. This is not, however, the only possibility.

[B]Some Americans have a stereotypical view of Europeans as being appeasers. There is definitely an appeasement instinct in Europe, but it is first and foremost a continent of extremes, sometimes changing in rapid succession. The nations that only a few generations ago tried to impose their culture on large parts of the planet are now afraid of enforcing their cultural values even in their own lands. The ruthless nationalism of the past has been subdued and replaced with anemic multiculturalism and naïve pacifism. It won’t last. The pendulum will swing back. If it appears as if the mainstream authorities are incapable of taking action to stop the ongoing Islamic invasion of the continent, faith in the entire democratic system could break down. Europe right now has all the ingredients needed for the rise of something akin to a new Nazi movement. [/B]

It is an extremely dangerous mix of suppressed nationalism, high unemployment and failed economies, democratic detachment and a widespread sense of being betrayed by the ruling elites. Tens of millions of immigrants pour into Europe, changing the face of the continent forever without any real debate about the issue. People feel like strangers in their own cities, but are being silenced as "racists" if they object to this.

There is a widespread feeling that Europe is descending into chaos, and that the governments are unwilling or incapable of stopping this. If this situation continues, some people will cry out for a Strong Man to “cleanse Europe of foreigners" and restore its honour and wounded pride. And He will step forward. There is never any shortage of self-proclaimed Strong Men once you call for them. [B]By then, you won’t have a “Clash of Civilizations” in Europe, but rather a Clash of Fascisms: Euro-Fascism vs. Islamo-Fascism. Ayaan Hirsi Ali fears that if we don't take effective measures, now, ''the Netherlands could be torn between two extreme rights'': an Islamic one and a non-Islamic one.”[/B] She’s right. MP Geert Wilders in Holland has proposed a moratorium on all non-Western immigration to the Netherlands for some years. Perhaps that is an approach that should be adopted by other European nations, too. Major cities across the continent are now powder kegs of ethnic and religious tensions, built up after decades of failed immigration policies and an absence of a genuine debate. Common sense says that when you have a powder keg waiting to explode, adding even more powder is not the smartest thing to do.

How will the other Europeans and the Americans react if or when the first EU nation breaks down in civil war because of Muslim immigration? Will they sacrifice the non-Muslims out of fear of a widening conflict, bomb the infidels into submission and establish a de facto Muslim state in a vain attempt to save themselves? Some would argue that is what happened in the Balkans in the 1990s. The answer probably depends upon which nation breaks down first. If it turns out to be nuclear armed France, the reactions may be different from what it would be with Holland, Belgium or Sweden. If Jihadis get their hands on French nukes, they will then use these weapons as a nuclear umbrella with which to establish sharia in different parts of Europe. This cannot be allowed to happen.

[B]Some would argue that this bleaker picture does not fit my prediction that Islam will not survive this century as a force of any significance. That’s not necessarily true. We should remain confident that in the battle of Islam against Humanity, civilization will eventually triumph. I[SIZE=3] will again postulate that Islam will have faded off the world stage by the end of this century, and that the process should be apparent by mid-century, or even before[/SIZE].[/B]

Seen in a historical perspective, this is a fast demise for a religion that has existed for 1400 years. But it still means that the Islamic world will remain extremely volatile and unstable for decades or even generations to come. [B]It is highly unlikely that there will be an Islamic Reformation. Islam does not have a natural separation between the temporal and the spiritual as Christianity does, nor the non-violent personal example of Jesus, nor the ethical teachings of the Bible.[/B] In the unlikely event that somebody should manage to reform Islam, this process will take time and probably be quite bloody. The Christian Reformation was hardly peaceful while it was going on. There is no reason to expect an Islamic Reformation to be, either.

The good news is that Islam is not capable of achieving the world dominance it desires. The bad news is that it may well be capable of achieving a world war. Perhaps Islam will not “go quietly into the night”, but push for a final, decisive confrontation. Islam has lived by the sword, and may die by it. We need to brace ourselves for decades of turbulence ahead. This is unavoidable by now, as the Islamic world will struggle, and probably fail, to come to terms with the modern world. We have to concentrate on trying to avoid that the new “Cold War” turns into a hot, cataclysmic world war. We can perhaps speed up the process, by translating a selection of the best Islam-critical literature available to major languages, spread them across the Internet and encourage downloading and free reprinting of the books to reach those without Internet connection. Other spending on Muslims should be avoided as much as possible. We cannot buy Muslim goodwill, even if we try. Economic aid to Muslims will be viewed as Jizya, the tributary tax non-Muslim dhimmis should pay as a sign of submission to Islamic rule.

Continued Muslim immigration will eventually lead to the demise of European democracy, either by the establishment of a Muslim-lead totalitarian entity, Eurabia, or disintegration of Europe, with different fascist groups competing for the spoils. The only way we can avoid this is by separation, by ending and reversing Muslim immigration. Muslim immigration is equivalent to playing Russian roulette with your own children. The worst case scenario is that the current trends continue unabated, triggering civil wars in several nations as the Muslim population reaches critical mass for an armed Jihad. A Balkanization of the continent would ensue. It may already be too late for the worst hit areas of Europe, but still not for the continent as whole. If we get an Islamic nuclear attack against an American city on top of this, events could spiral out of control. We still have a window of opportunity to prevent this from happening, but swift action needs to be taken as soon as possible. It is unclear whether our politicians have the foresight and the courage to do what is necessary to avoid the impending disaster. Time is sadly not on our side. [/FONT]

[I]Wolfgang Bruno is a European author. I am engaged in writing a book about the Internet movement of ex-Muslims.[/I]


Solve_et_Coagula

2005-07-09 14:19 | User Profile

"Those who demand their freedom and believe they are not bound to respect any law cause the doors of divine world to close before them, and one day the earth's doors will close before them as well. Someone will say: 'But I bow neither before God nor human beings, and no doors have closed to me; I am received everywhere.' This is because you are blind, my friend; you cannot see that the doors on high are already closed to you, and that those below will close to you as well. This will take some time, of course, because consequences do not appear immediately. First, a kind of decree is voted on in the world above, but a certain amount of time elapses before it is put into effect below. With their theories about freedom, people who accept neither moral nor spiritual authority close themselves to everything that could help them, and they are adrift without compass or protection. They do not see the physical and psychic dangers that threaten them, and they lead one another to destruction."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov :yes:


Stuka

2005-07-09 14:34 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Petr][font=Arial]Tens of millions of immigrants pour into Europe, changing the face of the continent forever.[/font][/QUOTE]The demographic trends in Europe are not inevitable, and can be reversed. Especially if war ensues. We must retain hope.

Enough with immigration, enough with multiculturalism, enough with democracy.


Gregz

2005-07-09 16:29 | User Profile

Stuka

There is no such thing as "cultural integration" only cultural degeneration. Secular, multi-cultural states are fundamental insecure cesspit's and one need only look at the break up of the former Yugoslavia to understand this.

No European people should have to face the indignity of having to cohabit and tolerate the violent and bizarre behavior these filthy aggressive savages.

Deporting all non-Europeans from Europe would dramatically improve Europe's internal security, improve productivity, reduce social spending, crime, unemployment and ever other social ill. However at the same time it must be conceded that this would require a considerable change to the present political climate.

Since a political settlement seems unlikely given the continued occupation by "corrupting foreign interest" of certain western governments civil strife seems likely sometime in the future.

In thirty years time France will be a Islamic state according to even the most conservative demographics. Britain a nation with out even rudimentary immigration controls is now declining at a faster and faster rate. :wallbash:

The British government and it's erroneous foreign policies are directly responsible for the recent security failure in London. The Islamic terrorist are receiving the full support and protection of the less than worthless, freeloading, Muslim communities. The Jews on the other hand are as ever bitter enemies of the European people and are clearly trying to drag Europe into conflict with the Islamic world.

It is clearly our duty to form militias and liberate our European lands from it's present occupiers. We have every right to retaliate against those who are intent on rendering our peoples annihilation.

The political battle to awaken our people to the impending calamity has until now proved unsuccessful. I both call for and am prepared to undertake more direct action in our struggle for liberation.

Our views are current censored throughout the media this must change. In my opinion we should create a common statement of purpose outlining our cause, promote it's circulation and demand it's publication.

Greg

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle


Ponce

2005-07-09 16:44 | User Profile

All that is happening is the "evolution" of society.

Nothing ever remains the same and unless you go with the flow you will be blown away.

In Ponces micro-cosmo life in the universe he had to adapt himself to the American way of life in order to "survive", but he will never adapt himself to the bland food that he eats here and he sure as hell misses his Cuban food.

I know, I know....."if you don't like American food then why don't you get your azz back to Cuba", forgot to tell you that I am also a mind reader :lol:


Petr

2005-07-09 16:44 | User Profile

[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "In thirty years time France will be a Islamic state according to even the most conservative demographics. "[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

May we see your source?

This is frankly a quite ridiculous estimate, panic- and defeat-mongering actually.

Petr


Stuka

2005-07-09 17:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Petr]This is frankly a quite ridiculous estimate, panic- and defeat-mongering actually. Petr[/QUOTE] Yes. If our defeat is inevitable, if there's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent it, then why bother with any of this? I think such attitudes stem from despair & nihilism and have a paralyzing effect.


Faust

2005-07-13 01:37 | User Profile

Let us all hope the rise of fascism will start soon!

[QUOTE]Continued Muslim immigration will eventually lead to the demise of European democracy, either by the establishment of a Muslim-lead totalitarian entity, Eurabia, or disintegration of Europe, with different fascist groups competing for the spoils. The only way we can avoid this is by separation, by ending and reversing Muslim immigration.[/QUOTE]

:gunsmilie :tank:


madrussian

2005-07-13 03:24 | User Profile

Fascism looks pretty good by comparison to fading away. Now start breeding and loving the Fatherland and demanding your country back. A rally or two wouldn't hurt either :D


Bardamu

2005-07-13 03:27 | User Profile

Fascism is offensive. Better to disappear. :rolleyes:


Angler

2005-07-13 04:11 | User Profile

All-out fascism isn't needed to reverse multiculturalism. I see no reason why strong laws can't exist regarding immigration and citizenship requirements while having freedom in other respects. Ideally, there could be a nation in which only whites were citizens, but those citizens would be legally guaranteed free speech, gun ownership, freedom of conscience and religion, private property ownership, etc.

I for one will never bow down to any other mortal man, yet that is exactly what fascism entails. Screw that, folks.


Exelsis_Deo

2005-07-13 04:53 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]All-out fascism isn't needed to reverse multiculturalism. I see no reason why strong laws can't exist regarding immigration and citizenship requirements while having freedom in other respects. Ideally, there could be a nation in which only whites were citizens, but those citizens would be legally guaranteed free speech, gun ownership, freedom of conscience and religion, private property ownership, etc.

I for one will never bow down to any other mortal man, yet that is exactly what fascism entails. Screw that, folks.[/QUOTE]

Yes but many would have you think and teach that fascism is racial consciousness or identity. I must say that I am more concerned about the fate of Western Europe than of the United States regarding this. The United States is better at and has no leg to stand on in stopping multiculturalism. It is the New World, open to all. That is the truth, and that is why we are having less of a problem with it than Europe is. The European countries are ethnically-based, millenia-old delineations where identity of state is number one, they have the truly nationalist and ethnic histories, not the US. For that reason, it is more important for European nations to stand up and stop this. The USA has no justifiable credibility to do so, nor should it. Only Europe, Scandinavia, UK and Russia.


OPERA96

2005-07-13 05:27 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]All-out fascism isn't needed to reverse multiculturalism. I see no reason why strong laws can't exist regarding immigration and citizenship requirements while having freedom in other respects. .[/QUOTE]

Too late for that! the only course now open to us is racial catharsis or racial death. Sadly, I don't see the once great White race developing the necessary testosterone level to do that.


Knekkeben

2005-07-14 01:08 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Angler]Ideally, there could be a nation in which only whites were citizens...[/QUOTE] That nation wouldn't long be a nation if whites resided with foreign races. Inevitably, the races living within that "nation" would begin to assimilate each another. I don't really understand why anyone believes that a multiracial society is even possible without extensive miscegenation among its inhabitants and finally total intermixture. This seems almost intuitive to me.

American whites will not (nor will any whites) remain distinct in the presence of foreign races. If whites are to survive, then geographic separation is a necessity.


Yggdrasil

2005-07-14 03:38 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]"So we tell the Americans as people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews." - Muslim leader Osama Bin Laden, from a May`98 interview with ABC reporter John Miller.[/QUOTE]Bin Laden for president!!! :smartass:


Angeleyes

2005-07-14 04:50 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]Bin Laden for president!!! :smartass:[/QUOTE] NOt even remotely funny. Remember, neo cons are not the only folk who have an agenda that is inimical to regular Americans, and conservatives of generally European blood. Arabs, Semites, and any number of other scum are also pursuing agendas that do not figure the European blood as anything other than their antagonist.

Or hadn't you noticed?


Bardamu

2005-07-14 12:47 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]Bin Laden for president!!! :smartass:[/QUOTE]

You're going to make a lot of converts with that line, especially our women. I can hear them already clamouring for the chaudor, giving no peace to their husbands until we are all slaves to God. Anyway, Binny's dead.


xmetalhead

2005-07-14 13:17 | User Profile

Europe is the only hope for the White race. I think the that the backlash will begin in the near future, probably in England, but I wouldn't rule out Netherlands or France. Thing is, Europe has the moral high ground on this issue. The US and Canada don't, unfortunately, but that doesn't rule out racial war here either.

The Jews really did a number on us, folks.


xmetalhead

2005-07-14 13:19 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Quote: Originally Posted by Exelsis_Deo "So we tell the Americans as people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews." - Muslim leader Osama Bin Laden, from a May`98 interview with ABC reporter John Miller. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Bin Laden for president!!! [/QUOTE]

The completely f**ed up thing is, Bin Laden makes more sense than George W Bush or any other politician in DC (save Ron Paul).


Walter Yannis

2005-07-14 13:27 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]Bin Laden for president!!! :smartass:[/QUOTE]

I agree that bin Laden is giving us very good advice here.

His demands are very reasonable, after all. All he's asking is that we stop supporting the Jews in oppressing the Palestinians and pull our forces out of the Middle East. If American foreign policy was all about American interests, we'd have implemented broadly pro-Arab and anti-Israeli policies long ago.

I'm all for a sort of Christian bin Laden for President. Perhaps Monarch. A limited monarchy is the form of government best fit for our Aryan natures.

As to the question of Europe becoming Islamic, I think that it won't happen. There's bound to be a huge reaction. There are burnings of mosques already in Holland and Belgium, and this is just the beginning. It's just a question of time before there's a massive reaction against the Multicult.

Darwinian theory clearly predicts a response of the organism that is the white race to the lethal threat the Multicult poses. A great, convulsive reaction is a inevitable.

The white reaction is a wave that none can stop, but if we play our cards right we Christian Nationalists can influence its course greatly.

My best guess is that the ideology of the coming response in (at least) America and the Protestant parts of northern Europe will be (at least in large part) a sort of Christian shariat, not unlike I think Rushdoony's "Institutes of Biblical Law."

Already these so-called Christian Reconstructionists have home groups all over the world pouring over Rushdoony's works. These people have babies, too, all to the Glory of God.

I guess as a Catholic I shouldn't be all that terribly excited about a radical Calvinist takeover in America, but Rushdoony just seems to me so reasonable, his writings so sane. The man refers constantly to Tradition in his interpretation of Scripture, which really means that we Catholics have plenty of common ground for fruitful discussion. I'm sure we can work something out.

But all this doom and gloom is premature, in my estimation. We'll get through this. It's going to be painful, but the victory of Christendom is a certainty.

Gregz, dude, just wait until the English get ticked off. This is little more than an irritating skin rash for England, which is perhaps the greatest nation the world has ever seen. (And I'm quite Irish, so please take this as high praise indeed!).

Chin up, lads. Christedom has been through a lot worse. In the fullness of time a leader will arise that will expel the Jews and the Moors, just as the great Catholic monarchs of Spain did 500 years ago.

In the meantime, get married, have some kids, make some money, support white and Christian organizations, and read the Bible.

If we'll do our part, God will take care of the rest.


Yggdrasil

2005-07-14 17:44 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I guess as a Catholic I shouldn't be all that terribly excited about a radical Calvinist takeover in America, but Rushdoony just seems to me so reasonable, his writings so sane. The man refers constantly to Tradition in his interpretation of Scripture, which really means that we Catholics have plenty of common ground for fruitful discussion. I'm sure we can work something out.[/QUOTE]The problem, Walter, is two fold:

First, the modern institutional practice of Christianity is so encrusted with the destructive barnacles of secular egalitarianism that existing institutional expressions of Christianity are not immediately useful for our racial self defense (with the possible exception of some Eastern Orthodox churches).

The Christian Churches need to be reformed first, by stripping the barnacles away and revealing the original Christianity of the first three centuries of its existence - a Christianity which internalized the dual code of within-group amity and out-group hostility and defense.

The Goose Steppers on the VNN and old NA boards see only the barnacles. What they miss is the obvious demographic of our natural constituency, which is Christian Whites, and the fact that it will be easier to recruit them to the cause by stripping away the barnacles than by converting them to some form of devil worship.

The second part of the problem is that Europeans would love nothing better than to be left alone by the threatening alien races so they could go back to fighting each other in some new reincarnation of the 30 years war. We Whites love to fight each other and we love to add barnacles to Christianity in order to sharpen tribal boundaries and to provide ideological justification for those wars.

This tendency is nowhere more evident than here on OD, where the impulse toward anger and intolerance toward our fellow Whites flares up the instant someone mentions the multi-culti sins of modern day Christian practice.

Goose steppers see only the barnacles, while Christian nationalists see only the barely visible core of ancient practice.

To win this struggle, we anti-egalitarians are going to have to stay focused on the present threat, and try to develop themes that the broadest coalition of anti egalitarians can agree on. We must then broaden our base by attacking the Secular Religion of Equality while fortifying Christianity by stripping it of its heretical borrowings from the Secular Religion of Equality.

While there is ample biblical authority for human equality in heaven, there is also ample biblical authority for human inequality on earth. We do God's work only by by christianizing the tribes and races of the World and keeping them separate from one another.

If Christian nationalism has any other view or any other program, it is a non-starter.

And above all, let's keep the message simple. No barnacles allowed!


MadScienceType

2005-07-14 18:00 | User Profile

To win this struggle, we anti-egalitarians are going to have to stay focused on the present threat, and try do develop themes that the broadest coalition of anti egalitarians can agree on. We must then broaden our base by attacking the Secular Religion of Equality while fortifying Christianity by stripping it of its heretical borrowings from the Secular Religion of Equality.

Jeez Ygg, there you go making sense again.

Neither the goose-steppers nor the Inquisitors will thank you for it.


Walter Yannis

2005-07-14 18:03 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil] .. . snip . . . If Christian nationalism has any other view or any other program, it is a non-starter.

And above all, let's keep the message simple. No barnacles allowed![/QUOTE]

I agree with that, Ygg.

Which is really what attracts me to Christian Reconstruction.

Rushdoony rejects the sort of facile equality of our secular religion.

He states forthrightly that "equality" between the sexes is silly, and of course completely unbiblical.

He also is a supercessionist, meaning that he sees the Church as the sole People of God - he uses the term the "Israel of God" in relation to the Church.

I'm sure that Tex, Okie and others are more familiar than I with these Reconstructionist ideas. They're relatively new to me, but for the life of me I don't see much at all in his "Institutes of Biblical Law" that isn't right on the money for us.

I would like to hear the opinon of others on that.


Yggdrasil

2005-07-14 18:07 | User Profile

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Jeez Ygg, there you go making sense again.[/QUOTE]Hey!!! It's dirty work, but somebody has gotta do it!! :cheers:


formerfreeper

2005-07-14 18:58 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]Bin Laden for president!!! :smartass:[/QUOTE] My sister--burned over 50% of her body at 1WTC on 9/11--would likely disagree with you. She put paid on the account of the those that have unwavering support of Israel.

The neo-cons, and others, have gotten us stuck in a morass form which it will be difficult to extricate ourselves. Their agendas and that of certain other countries have gotten us into this mess we are in. What is worse is, like the yahoo over at TOS, they are the ones that sit back and watch others do the dirty work and the dying here and in Iraq.

GWB, whom I voted for (and regret it) is doing little or nothing to even protect us from those who he has enraged0--and whom will stop at nothing to destroy us.


Yggdrasil

2005-07-14 20:05 | User Profile

[QUOTE=formerfreeper]My sister--burned over 50% of her body at 1WTC on 9/11--would likely disagree with you. She paid on the account of the those that have unwavering support of Israel.[/QUOTE]I hope the irony of that post was not lost. Bin Laden says God commanded him to kill our people and then urges us to elect a nationalist government which will protect our interests - a veiled threat to leave us alone if we leave him alone. Meanwhile our fundamentalist christian Pres. who surrounds himself with an all-fag review of political advisors says - "No, thank you very much! God told me to sacrifice American lives for Israel!"

In your wildest dreams, could you imagine a more bizzarre mad hatters tea party?


Ponce

2005-07-14 20:30 | User Profile

We already have Sharon as the real commander (for life) of the US so what are we going to do with two presidents. :argue:


Stanley

2005-07-14 20:48 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]The Christian Churches need to be reformed first, by stripping the barnacles away and revealing the original Christianity of the first three centuries of its existence - a Christianity which internalized the dual code of within-group amity and out-group hostility and defense.[/QUOTE]I posted [url=http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_philosophy&Number=293452757&Search=true&Forum=news_philosophy&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=293452757#Post293452757]Christ the Tiger[/url] at Liberty Forum. The main objections I got were:

It's a misinterpretation of scripture.

It's an attempt to use religion to advance a political agenda.

I am not a Christian, and I generally stay out of religious disputes. It does seem to me though that the radical reformation you advocate (would you drop Paul from the Canon?) is both highly unlikely and unnecessary. The West was defended for centuries by believers in traditional Christianity; there must be plenty in the corpus to justify nationalism.


formerfreeper

2005-07-15 00:46 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Yggdrasil]I hope the irony of that post was not lost. Bin Laden says God commanded him to kill our people and then urges us to elect a nationalist government which will protect our interests - a veiled threat to leave us alone if we leave him alone. Meanwhile our fundamentalist christian Pres. who surrounds himself with an all-fag review of political advisors says - "No, thank you very much! God told me to sacrifice American lives for Israel!"

In your wildest dreams, could you imagine a more bizzarre mad hatters tea party?[/QUOTE] I do realize it was not meant literally--and agree with the hypothesis.

I admit it struck a very raw nerve. *Mea Maxima Culpa! :redface: *

BTW, I remember an idea we had in the Navy to solve the middle east problem. It's been around all the services:

"Equal arms, equal training--seal the borders. Last one standing wins"

Hell, it was such a good one that Tom Clancy was said to have used it in a book.