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Thread ID: 19025 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2005-07-07
2005-07-07 16:29 | User Profile
As ever, Jews get the 411 to stay indoors - while [I]you [/I] have an arm or a leg blown off, and die. But then, what are you - compared to the Chosen?
[QUOTE][url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...in_explosions_1[/url]
[B]Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning [/B]
By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET
JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.
Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.
Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.
Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.
The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.
All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.
The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.
Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."
Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said. ______[/QUOTE]
2005-07-07 16:39 | User Profile
They knew about 9/11 too.
2005-07-07 16:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]They knew about 9/11 too.[/QUOTE]
You know it, the Jews are "supposed" to be 3% of the US population but because they are one of the top business people in the US the percentage of dead Jews at the twin towers should have been about 7% meaning that out of the 3,500 dead people there SHOULD be at least 240 dead Jews but instead there was only one, a turist Jew who didn't get the word.
Many of those people called in sick and many more din't even bothered to call in and a business meeting that they had at the top floors of one of the Twin Towers was cancelled the day before.
But heyyyyyyy they are our "friends" and have a right to live while ours die.
2005-07-07 18:20 | User Profile
I would hope that Scotland Yard informed other international government officials regarding the impending Muslim Terrorism and not just the Zionists.
2005-07-07 23:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE] but instead there was only one, a turist Jew who didn't get the word.[/QUOTE]This is a rumor that gets around a lot. But is there any truth in this or is this speculation? This is one of the rumors that gets talked about in regards to Mossad involvement in 9/11, but if the rumor is untrue it does not cancel out their involvement. To really believe this is true, you would have to also believe that Mossad or whoever else who may have been involved or at least knew would care about a few dead jews here and there enough to warn them and risk a rumor like this coming out. I have said it before and I will say it again, is the one dead Jew rumor "fact" or is this a perfect example of Mossad disinformation? The one dead Jew thing could be seen as a wacky conspiracy theory type of rumor and most important it would be seen by many as "anti-semitic" so maybe any question about Mossad/Israeli/jew involvment is "anti-semitic" as well, if you get my point.
2005-07-08 01:50 | User Profile
Doesn't suprise me if that's true...
2005-07-08 03:51 | User Profile
[COLOR=DarkGreen][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "You know it, the Jews are "supposed" to be 3% of the US population but because they are one of the top business people in the US the percentage of dead Jews at the twin towers should have been about 7% meaning that out of the 3,500 dead people there SHOULD be at least 240 dead Jews but instead there was only one, a turist Jew who didn't get the word."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Once again, Ponce jumps to conclusions. There were only a few dead ISRAELIS (three, if I recall correctly), but many dead JEWS. Yggdrasil commented on Stormfront:
[COLOR=Indigo][B]"About a month after 9-11, when the deaths list became available, I went through it and applied my "demographic filter" and found Jews to be roughly 15%, which would be about proportionate to their population in the greater New York area - the area from which the Towers could be expected to draw employees. The percentage of Jews who died would have been higher but for the large number of firemen and police that were lost."[/B][/COLOR]
[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=112165&page=6&pp=10[/url]
Petr
2005-07-08 04:06 | User Profile
Well, Ponce isn't exactly Senor Rational, especially after he's cracked open the sangria.
By the way, I didn't say "Jews did-"...although it certainly isn't off the table.....only that "Jews knew-".
When somebody tells you to stay put before the first bomb even goes off, that's foreknowledge. Too bad the rank-and-file English citizenry doesn't warrant the same heads-up.
2005-07-08 05:20 | User Profile
The police spokesmen repeatedly denied any advance warning whatsoever - and of course Faux Jews and the rest have said nothing about this heads-up to the Lipshitzim.
That these filthy camel-screwing scum don't make their dismemberment shindigs Snipdicks Only is ample proof that they're nothing but stupid savages. In a sane White world, both tribes of hook-snouted dune coons would be A: corraled, then B: Chimneyed.
2005-07-08 12:32 | User Profile
I was watching the news yesterday morning as these events unfolded. All the major news services were unified in reporting that Scotland Yard warned Netanyahu to stay in his hotel before any explosions occurred. Later yesterday, the story became that no warning was given at all. This morning, it appears that the official story is now that Netanyahu was warned, but only after one explosion had occurred. I don't know what is going on, but I doubt we know the whole story.
2005-07-08 13:23 | User Profile
As far as 9/11 goes, I'm sure the Mossad had an idea of what was about to go down and failed to contact the CIA for obvious reasons. As for contacting NYC Jews to warn them, when has the Jewish power structure actually cared about the well being of their people? The reality is alot of Jews died on 9/11 and we do well to get our facts straight if we want people to take us seriously in the future. That's why I say don't jump to conclusions about the London attack; we'll have a better picture in a few months to draw conclusions from.
2005-07-09 07:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]As far as 9/11 goes, I'm sure the Mossad had an idea of what was about to go down and failed to contact the CIA for obvious reasons. As for contacting NYC Jews to warn them, when has the Jewish power structure actually cared about the well being of their people? The reality is alot of Jews died on 9/11 and we do well to get our facts straight if we want people to take us seriously in the future. That's why I say don't jump to conclusions about the London attack; we'll have a better picture in a few months to draw conclusions from.[/QUOTE]
Some hebes may have died on 9-11, but the important point is no [B][I]Israelis[/I][/B] did: Kike Central made sure they warned all the ratlings they could.
2005-07-09 14:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Some hebes may have died on 9-11, but the important point is no Israelis did: Kike Central made sure they warned all the ratlings they could.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the enlightened viewpoint. There were two reasons to visit the Trade Center -- work or tourism. While I doubt many people commute from Israel to NYC for work, there may have been some tourists planning to visit that day, but the attacks came early enough in the morning that most people on vacation were probably just getting started with their days. The notion that the Mossad would have had the cell phone numbers of every Israeli in NYC at the time and sent out secret warnings is absurd.
2005-07-09 18:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]As far as 9/11 goes, I'm sure the Mossad had an idea of what was about to go down and failed to contact the CIA for obvious reasons. As for contacting NYC Jews to warn them, when has the Jewish power structure actually cared about the well being of their people? The reality is alot of Jews died on 9/11 and we do well to get our facts straight if we want people to take us seriously in the future. That's why I say don't jump to conclusions about the London attack; we'll have a better picture in a few months to draw conclusions from.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, how many? :cool:
2005-07-09 20:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The notion that the Mossad would have had the cell phone numbers of every Israeli in NYC at the time and sent out secret warnings is absurd.[/QUOTE]It certainly is. It is funny actually. Mossad cares about each and every Israeli life enough to warn every single one of them that could possibly have been at the WTC that day to stay away. LOL. Why is it that often the same people who will say this will also say that some of the suicide bombings that take place in Israel are actually the work of Mossad,(I wouldn't doubt that is true some of the time) for example? These ideas seem to clash a bit.
I would assume that a few insignificant Jewish or Israeli lives are probably not all that important, to these people, if they are expecting something much greater to come of it.
[QUOTE]The reality is alot of Jews died on 9/11 and we do well to get our facts straight if we want people to take us seriously in the future. [/QUOTE] I couldn't agree more. There are enough real facts to be talked about without needing to jump on every single nutty rumor that may come out, and present it like it is an unquestionable fact. All that really is going to do is make every other thing you may say look insane, as well.
2005-07-09 22:38 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "There are enough real facts to be talked about without needing to jump on every single nutty rumor that may come out, and present it like it is an unquestionable fact. All that really is going to do is make every other thing you may say look insane, as well."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
This is the point that I have tried to drive in on this forum and elsewhere as well. Here you see what kind of responses I got when I insisted that we should put our arguments through a rigorous editing-process, like not seeing "Marranoes" everywhere:
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16476&page=5&pp=15&highlight=lyndon+marrano[/url]
We must maintain the quality of our arguments throughout - social underdogs like WNs simply cannot afford to look ridiculous on some matters and hope that people won't lump all their stuff in the same category.
Petr
2005-07-09 22:55 | User Profile
Obviously when planes crash into skyscrapers at 9:00 on a Tuesday morning there's not going to be any way to craft a designer death total.
But I'll say this. On any other Tuesday, the WTC would have been packed with Jews. This is New York, after all, and not just any old part of it but the financial district. Expecting a high death total of Jews certainly wouldn't indicate anti-Semitism as much as it would realism. Coincidence it may be, but there were an awful lot of Jew entrepreneurial types out of town that morning. Puerto Rican file clerks, Lebanese shopkeepers, and Irish and Italianfiremen weren't as fortunate in their scheduling.
And never forget that if 99% of dissenting whites were to hew to only the most scrupulously-logical arguments, corroborated by only the most compelling direct and secondary evidence - they'd still be tarred as delusional bloodthirsty lunatics [u]anyway[/u]....as the Jews desperately sought that aberrational one-percenter in a Klan robe and CI rollerskates announcing that regime criminals would henceforth eat only their own ground-up offspring by law to point to as a representation of the rest of us.
And if the idea of Zionists sacrificing their own to gain a real-world political objective seems...I dunno...crazy to you, read your Zionist history. Herzl would've insisted on it and Ben-Gurion DID it.
2005-07-09 22:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]It certainly is. It is funny actually. Mossad cares about each and every Israeli life enough to warn every single one of them that could possibly have been at the WTC that day to stay away. LOL. Why is it that often the same people who will say this will also say that some of the suicide bombings that take place in Israel are actually the work of Mossad,(I wouldn't doubt that is true some of the time) for example? These ideas seem to clash a bit.
I would assume that a few insignificant Jewish or Israeli lives are probably not all that important, to these people, if they are expecting something much greater to come of it.
I couldn't agree more. There are enough real facts to be talked about without needing to jump on every single nutty rumor that may come out, and present it like it is an unquestionable fact. All that really is going to do is make every other thing you may say look insane, as well.[/QUOTE] A) Israeli and the Diaspora comprise an extremely fractious culture that, without external pressure, would devour itself within a year. B) The same Zionist arrogance that the Jewish elite lordes over us is not just reserved for the Gentile population; they see their own people as nothing more than mere pawns in a game of high politics. Therefore, the Jewish elite does not trust rank and file Jews enough to let them in on whatever knowledge they happen to be privy to and they seek to capitalize off of the fear these attacks foster within their own community. Anyone who has ever lived around Jews knows that they live in a constant state of parnoia which is often exploited by men like Abe Foxman for financial profit. Case in point: at the same time the ADl releases public statements about how innefective pro-White organizations are, they send memos to their supporters hysterically claiming that the next holocaust is imminent. There are millions of Jews alive at the moment; if they all knew what was going on, it wouldn't be much of a conspiracy.
2005-07-09 23:04 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "Coincidence it may be, but there were an awful lot of Jew entrepreneurial types out of town that morning."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
Source?
[COLOR=Purple][B][I][FONT=Arial] - "And never forget that if 99% of dissenting whites were to hew to only the most scrupulously-logical arguments, corroborated by only the most compelling direct and secondary evidence - they'd still be tarred as delusional bloodthirsty lunatics [U]anyway[/U].."[/FONT][/I][/B][/COLOR]
Oh, I see, the lazy way out. "It doesn't matter what we do, jewsmedia will completely misrepresent us anyways, so we might as well behave as badly and irrationally as we damn well please." Fade was quite accurate when he described this devil-may-care-about-our-public-image attitude among some WNs as [B]ghetto mentality[/B].
Petr
2005-07-09 23:23 | User Profile
Oh, I see, the lazy way out. "It doesn't matter what we do, jewsmedia will misrepresent us anyways, so we might as well behave as badly and irrationally as we just damn well please." Fade was quite accurate when he described this devil-may-care-about-our-public-image attitude among some WNs as ghetto mentality.
Quite the opposite: merely a reminder that you can't prevent people from saying what they will. Even Fade's hero, Franklin Delano, would tell you that.
Oh, I see. "We" should publicly attack every wacko claim made by anyone white, in order to keep our own skirts clean. Well, some of us think the wackiest fantasy-scenarios out there these days are those spun by Christian wackos. Gawhead, Petr: you first. Give em what-for! Inna labonza, Petr - hit 'em inna labonza, kid!
Plenty of folks just like Fade can be found baiting, mocking and browbeating, not just the tin-foilers, but pretty much everybody whose opinions make his nose crinkle in distaste. Result? Well, it sure ain't unity. More like a new roadblock called 'racialists', ie, whites who don't much care for nonwhites but save their deepest disdain for other whites, and who swear loyalty only to their X Boxes, their FAMILY GUY dvds, their Maxim-girl posters and their own plausible deniability (should their 'racism' ever emerge and seriously threaten their cash-flow or career opportunities.)
Besides..... if Fade actually gave a f**k about 'public image' he'd have been more circumspect about taking a public dump on American veterans of the "Greatest Generation". I'm reliably informed that public opinion might go south on you after taking such a position. Or do incendiary quotes only count against you when "Nazis" utter them?
2005-07-09 23:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Fade was quite accurate when he described this devil-may-care-about-our-public-image attitude among some WNs as [B]ghetto mentality[/B].[/QUOTE]
Well, if anybody knows anything about looking ghetto to the public, it's definitely that guy. :lol:
2005-07-09 23:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
And never forget that if 99% of dissenting whites were to hew to only the most scrupulously-logical arguments, corroborated by only the most compelling direct and secondary evidence - they'd still be tarred as delusional bloodthirsty lunatics [u]anyway[/u]....as the Jews desperately sought that aberrational one-percenter in a Klan robe and CI rollerskates announcing that regime criminals would henceforth eat only their own ground-up offspring by law to point to as a representation of the rest of us.
[/QUOTE] There is no doubt that this is true. But why do some choose to help the Jews present this type of image even more by playing right into this role that the Jews have crafted for them?
2005-07-09 23:57 | User Profile
Baby, * I can't be held responsible for what Lucky Lindstedt or Erlangr Harberrson or Muad Dib say or do. Kind of the same way blacks cry 'institutional racism!' if you judge them* by an OJ or Carr Brothers yardstick.
But - much like you don't hear very many blacks openly condemn OJ or the Carr Bros (and * never* in front of whites) - I'm not going to bust a blood vessel in my cerebrum screaming my reproach at crazy-ass WNs ansd Nazis whom I've never met and don't know from a hole in the ground.
And just to keep it real here....there is far more reasoned criticism and condemnation of white extremism on far-right, WN forums than is ever acknowledged. I've done some; * you've done some; even * Linder has indulged in the practice.
See what good it's done us? If you don't keep it up 24/7, it's as if you've been waving a death-camp pennant all along.
2005-07-10 08:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]The notion that the Mossad would have had the cell phone numbers of every Israeli in NYC at the time and sent out secret warnings is absurd.[/QUOTE]
Nothing can change the fact that advance warning was sent via Israeli Odigo. Or the fact that there was a massive sell-off of airline stocks just before the attack. Or that Izzy spies were staked out on the same street with the jihad jockeys. Or that a couple of hook-snouted "movers" danced the hora as they filmed the Big Boom Boom - only to be quietly sent home by the Chimp.
I dunno 'bout [I]you[/I], but I think I see a pattern.
2005-07-10 09:22 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Blue][B][I] - "Well, some of us think the wackiest fantasy-scenarios out there these days are those spun by Christian wackos."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
What's so wacky about them? And anyways, the success of rapturists shows that extreme ideas [I]themselves [/I] do not necessarily doom your cause.
Cults such as Moonies, JWs and Scientologists are subject to regular doses of scorn in media, automatically repulse great numbers of people as well, but they still are capable of attracting relatively large numbers of people and expanding. Organized WN movements are not seemingly able to do the same - wonder why?
Even when we present extreme views, we shouldn't do so [I]in a vulgar gutter-style[/I] a la Linder. It is makes all the more easier for the establishment to make people associate WN ideas with [I]a low social status[/I], an affair of the "White trash".
Even quite bloodthirsty or wacky proposals can sound quite a more reasonable when presented by respectable-looking people with respectable tone of voices - just check out those nicely-behaving Mormons!
Check out this piece: [COLOR=Red]"[B]Facts Mormons Wont Tell You When They Call at Your Door[/B]"[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.macgregorministries.org/mormons/facts.html[/url]
[COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Besides..... if Fade actually gave a f**k about 'public image' he'd have been more circumspect about taking a public dump on American veterans of the "Greatest Generation". "[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
I understand that was before his political "born-again" experience last autumn, so this is a strawman.
Petr
2005-07-10 12:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Nothing can change the fact that advance warning was sent via Israeli Odigo. Or the fact that there was a massive sell-off of airline stocks just before the attack. Or that Izzy spies were staked out on the same street with the jihad jockeys. Or that a couple of hook-snouted "movers" danced the hora as they filmed the Big Boom Boom - only to be quietly sent home by the Chimp.
I dunno 'bout you, but I think I see a pattern.[/QUOTE] All I hear are unsubstantiated urban rumors; how about some facts to back these claims up? Listen, I agree that there are some extreme cases in the political world; but, when you represent them without facts or a logical argument, you do more harm to our image than good. We need to know that whether right or wrong, the burden of proof is on us, not the mainstream media.
2005-07-10 13:49 | User Profile
Have any of the 9-11-Jews-knew doubters here ever heard or read the transcripts of the Air Traffic Controllers conversations on the morning of 9/11?
Why were those tapes confiscated and destroyed?
2005-07-10 14:09 | User Profile
And I didn't get the message. I've been told that many government officials were tipped off before hand, a friend of a friend (who is a secretary for an MP) was told to go to the reserve parliament. No doubt many embassies were told and there was a VERY high police presence before the blasts.
But no exact information was known (it seems) and by telling the people they would panic them. You say the Jews knew, I'm a Jew, I didn't know. I'm sure many more than just the Israelis were told, the British don't really like the Israelis that much.
Stop jumping to idiotic conclusions and talk sense for once in your pathetic lives where the only way you can explain your inadequacies is by blaming someone totally different.
2005-07-10 14:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Have any of the 9-11-Jews-knew doubters here ever heard or read the transcripts of the Air Traffic Controllers conversations on the morning of 9/11?
Why were those tapes confiscated and destroyed?[/QUOTE]I haven't. Is anyone really doubting the Jews(Mossad, anyway) knew 9/11 was going to go down? That seems to be something that is pretty much a fact. I don't know about others, but the only thing that I am really doubting is the 1 dead jew rumor, or even that all Israelis were warned in advance not to be there. I had never heard the Israeli aspect before, only the 1 dead jew idea. So which one is it? It could be true, nothing would really completely surprise me, but it just doesn't seem logical, for a few different reasons.
2005-07-10 16:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Have any of the 9-11-Jews-knew doubters here ever heard or read the transcripts of the Air Traffic Controllers conversations on the morning of 9/11?
Why were those tapes confiscated and destroyed?[/QUOTE] What are the "Jews": The Mossad, Israelis, every Abe Goldberg walking the streets of NY? Again, please don't make statements about controversial issues expecting people to believe you out of faith; what specifically did the controllers say?
2005-07-10 16:40 | User Profile
what specifically did the controllers say?
Duhh! We don't know - because they were destroyed by an FAA supervisor before anyone could play them back!
Odd unilateral decision to make in the aftermath of the most devastating terrorist attack in modern history, doncha think? At the time it was believed that 10, 000 had died....and you destroy the cockpit recordings? And the supervisor is neither fired nor jailed?
Lookit. By [I]now[/I], with so much evidence willfully buried, ignored or outright destroyed, it's [I]easy[/I] for Israel-sympathizers to claim it's all Hate, with no basis in fact. It's easy to say "art students? what art students?" four years later - when most 'Murricans can't even remember Condi Bush threatening us with an either/or of [I]total commitment[/I] or [I]mushroom clouds[/I]. It's easy to throw your hands up and ask for a no-harm, no-foul do-over. Easy to pretend that the gravy stain on the questioner's shirt invalidates the questions themselves.
What's hard is continuing to ask questions that the people who don't want them answered can characterize as "hate and ignorance".
2005-07-10 17:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]What are the "Jews": The Mossad, Israelis, every Abe Goldberg walking the streets of NY? Again, please don't make statements about controversial issues expecting people to believe you out of faith; what specifically did the controllers say?[/QUOTE]
Brian, the Jews have undergound "cousins" that can make anything happen at any time, every Zionist that leaves Israel are instructed to keep their eyes open and to pass on the information to a field officer.
The same goes for "turists" going outside of the state of Israel, when ever they get back they are debriefed on what they saw in at the country that they took a vacation in.
Many times have I read stuff that months later the Jews make a comment about and the only way for them to have known was with inside info. from the time it happened OR before.
2005-07-10 17:52 | User Profile
Rhynome,
I'm going to agree with you up to a point. I don't think every Jew knew. Instead, I believe the Mossad knew about this as I believe they knew about the 9/11 plot and kept their mouths shut to further embroil the West into the problem that is of the Zionists' own making. That problem, of course, is establishing their country in the worst location possible.
2005-07-12 10:22 | User Profile
[B]All I hear are unsubstantiated urban rumors; how about some facts to back these claims up? Listen, I agree that there are some extreme cases in the political world; but, when you represent them without facts or a logical argument, you do more harm to our image than good. We need to know that whether right or wrong, the burden of proof is on us, not the mainstream media.[/B]
"Urban rumors" my ass: all the things I mentioned are things that occurred.