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Thread ID: 18981 | Posts: 9 | Started: 2005-07-04
2005-07-04 18:08 | User Profile
I was just over at [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States]Wikipedia[/URL] and found some interesting statistics. I knew things were bad, but this stunned me.
From 1990 to 2001, the number of Americans identifying themselves as protestant or with a protestant church declined from 55% to 45%
From 1990 to 2001, the number of Americans identifying themselves as Catholic fell from 26% to 24%. If not for millions of hispanic Catholics pouring into America, that second number would be much lower.
What makes these numbers so stunning is the high immutability of one's religious identification. But, it's easy to understand. The government has become hostile to Christianity (post-Christian America). Most churches have become irrelevant (post-Christian Christianity).
2005-07-04 23:13 | User Profile
As you know the president of the United States when taking his post he always swear by placing hin right hand over a Bible and I wonder how long it will be before the Jews make it illegal.
Those peple (Jews) already killed Christmas, Then Commandmants, Jesus and many more things that stood for America.....oh well, I don't blame the Jews for what they are but do blame Americans for letting the Jews control them.
2005-07-05 09:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Those peple (Jews) already killed Christmas, Then Commandmants, Jesus and many more things that stood for America.....oh well, I don't blame the Jews for what they are but do blame Americans for letting the Jews control them.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break, Ponch. You give jews way too much power and credit. They can only control what you let them control.
Granted they have been riding high in our American judicial system for several decades now, but rest assured the blowback is coming.
2005-07-05 12:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]I was just over at [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States]Wikipedia[/URL] and found some interesting statistics. I knew things were bad, but this stunned me.
From 1990 to 2001, the number of Americans identifying themselves as protestant or with a protestant church declined from 55% to 45%. Census techniques with the "send in the survey yourself" type question tend to be somewhat problematic. Especially though for religious questions its even harder. Sometimes you definitely need more followup to explain some anomolies.
For instance if you look at the drop in Protestant affiliation from 55 to 45 percent, on the surface that can be explained almost entirely by the drop in "Protestant - no denomination supplied" from 9.8% to 2.2%. But that seems awfully strange. A regular census would definitely need to do some followup to determine the source - maybe the question was just asked differently. It would seem that something is going on with that vaguely religious category - one of the toughest questions to interpret. But with these types of census's you just have to take what you get to avoid fouling up the numbers.
Overall though the sociology of the religious world in America is changing. Some of these trends really that were foreseen in 1986 by noted conservative religious sociologist James Davison Hunter.
2005-07-05 15:51 | User Profile
Happy Hacker
Even in traditionally Conservative Catholic Spain the homosexual lobby have just recently won the right to marry and adopt children. They are now taking their meddling to new even greater depth's of depravity.
Take a look at this article:
"Success with mice has scientists believing that someday they will be able to create human eggs in the laboratory -- thus allowing homosexuals to have "biological" children and creating a host of ethical concerns."
[url]http://www.mcjonline.com/news/03a/20030528d.shtml[/url]
Intenationally Christians are persecuted, ineffective politically and we have been steadily losing influence for years. The rise of secularism in the West is largely to blame for the abandonment of it's Christian values and the dilution of it's European cultural identity.
Whilst are our enemies hostility towards us is to be expected. How long our we to continue to tolerate the treachery of our own kind? Especially when they would go as far as to have us apologize for being what we are. We must make no further accommodations to our peoples enemies and seek to silence all voices of betrayal and appeasement.
In my opinion our goal is and alway has been, self determination. The establishment of a exclusively Christian state is possible. If it where not so then such states would not have ever existed in the past. The question is do we as a people have will to achieve such a separatist goal in the face of such seemingly overwhelming adversity?
Greg
"They should rule who are able to rule best." - Aristotle
2005-07-09 04:28 | User Profile
Hi everyone. First time on the forum and I'm totally new here. So Hello.
Anyway I just wanted to weigh in on the subject at hand. I just want to say that America is getting a huge Athiest Reformation thanks to the Government. Not to sound anti-American or a radical or anything but all this talk about gay rights and constitutional issues is really becoming Godless. I fear that the seperation of Church and state will get to the point where people won't be able to read a Bible in public. Again just weighing in.
2005-07-09 04:35 | User Profile
Hi all, I'm new to the forum and new to the site for that matter. Hello everyone.
Anyway I just wanted to weigh in on the topic at hand here, I just feel that America has taken a real Godless turn. This whole thing about gay rights and constitutional issues has really made the country a war torn place. Nowadays Christians are getting the shaft on most issues to the point where we don't even weigh in anymore. The Gorvenment is really trying to make it easy for everyone but underminding the very fabric at which this country was first based. I think the seperation of church and state will get so bad it'll get to the point where you won't be able to read a Bible in public. Just wanted to weigh in. Thanks guys.
2005-07-09 10:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Census techniques with the "send in the survey yourself" type question tend to be somewhat problematic. Especially though for religious questions its even harder. Sometimes you definitely need more followup to explain some anomolies.
For instance if you look at the drop in Protestant affiliation from 55 to 45 percent, on the surface that can be explained almost entirely by the drop in "Protestant - no denomination supplied" from 9.8% to 2.2%. But that seems awfully strange. A regular census would definitely need to do some followup to determine the source - maybe the question was just asked differently. It would seem that something is going on with that vaguely religious category - one of the toughest questions to interpret. But with these types of census's you just have to take what you get to avoid fouling up the numbers. [/QUOTE]Excellent points. The fact remains that people tend to believe in God (or god(s), be they Mammon, Lilith, Leviathan, or otherwise). There is no evidence that religion is going away, and overwhelming evidence that it is here to stay. The supposedly impending "end of religion" is purely an article of faith (yes, faith) among evangelical atheists. This "end" is always near - but for some reason, never seems to arrive. :tongue:
2005-07-09 11:10 | User Profile
Happy Hacker,
You are right Mexicans are not going to save the Roman Church. Very few of them are active church goers. The 1980-90's increase in Church membership seems to have ended.
1990 2001 Change in %
Total Christian 86.4% 76.7% -9.7%
"the white proportion of the US population is currently at 69.1%." it was over 90% not too many years back.