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Thread ID: 18964 | Posts: 68 | Started: 2005-07-02
2005-07-02 23:03 | User Profile
I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to actually take Odinism seriously!
2005-07-03 01:26 | User Profile
The same can be said of Republicanism.
2005-07-03 01:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to actually take Odinism seriously![/QUOTE]
Have you seen this thread?
[url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15952]SPLC takes interest in right-wing pagans[/url]
2005-07-03 02:47 | User Profile
I can't believe that Gabrielle can't believe that people believe in all sorts of things! :jester:
Heathen Folk Revival Network [url="http://www.heathenfolk.net/forums/"]http://www.heathenfolk.net/forums/[/url]
Allgermanische Heidnische Front [url="http://www.heathenfront.org/"]http://www.heathenfront.org/[/url]
ASATRU FOLK ASSEMBLY - Ancient Caucasians [url="http://www.runestone.org/"]http://www.runestone.org/[/url]
[color=black]Wilson's Almanac on Odin and his ordeal[/color] [url="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/odins_ordeal.html"][color=#0000ff]www.wilsonsalmanac.com/ odins_ordeal.html[/color][/url]
2005-07-03 03:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Have you seen this thread?
[url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15952]SPLC takes interest in right-wing pagans[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, Centinel.
I still think it is so foolish.
2005-07-03 04:43 | User Profile
WTF is Odinism?
2005-07-03 05:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to actually take Odinism seriously![/QUOTE]
I do not believe in any of the actual gods but I enjoy studying the mythos. I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to believe in Christianity, but I digress since this is a Christian forum.
2005-07-03 07:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]I do not believe in any of the actual gods but I enjoy studying the mythos. I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to believe in Christianity, but I digress since this is a Christian forum.[/QUOTE]I don't take any religion seriously either, but you're right that religions can be interesting to read about. Learning about peoples' beliefs in the supernatural and all these fancy castles built upon air provides a lot of insight into human psychology.
What's especially interesting is that even people who don't believe in God often feel the need to replace Him with the de facto worship of other mortals (e.g., communism). I find this FAR worse than belief in some imaginary being.
What accounts for a man's need for a master? It seems as if nearly all adults have a recrudescent need for parental guidance and reassurance. A bit of a weird but appropriate analogy can be drawn to cats and the way they like to have their fur stoked, presumably because it reminds them of the way their mothers groomed them by licking when they were kittens. It's extremely comforting to think that "it's all in the hands of someone bigger, wiser, and more powerful."
As for me, the only person I obey is my employer, and that's because I've agreed to be paid to obey him. Apart from that, I have no master. I adhere to most civil laws because most make sense, but the moment I feel the need to break one of those laws is the moment I do so. The final authority over my actions rests with me.
Is it not better to perish than to serve? "Liberty or Death" is not a meaningless phrase. No, it is of tremendous import to those who comprehend.
What is death that it should make cowards of us all? What is life that it should be valued so highly? There are worse things than death, and among them is a life of dishonor. All men lead dishonorable lives that serve a master with hand or brain.
-- Ragnar Redbeard
2005-07-03 09:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]I do not believe in any of the actual gods but I enjoy studying the mythos. I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to believe in Christianity, but I digress since this is a Christian forum.[/QUOTE]Actually this is, maybe in not so many words, but the substantial gist of what I read the predominant description of Odinism is as its generally believed.
Which, I suspect undercuts a lot of Odinism. They're asserting believe in a western religion, but expressing it I suspect in more of an eastern way.
2005-07-03 10:35 | User Profile
I believe in Odin and the other Gods of the North.
2005-07-03 13:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]I do not believe in any of the actual gods but I enjoy studying the mythos. I cannot believe that anyone could be stupid enough to believe in Christianity, but I digress since this is a Christian forum.[/QUOTE]
The only reason America is still standing is because we are living off of the last vestiges of Christianity.
2005-07-03 13:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=G.Larson]I believe in Odin and the other Gods of the North.[/QUOTE]
And I believe in leprechauns and extra terrestrials. :shocking:
2005-07-03 14:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]WTF is Odinism?[/QUOTE]
Besides stupidââ¬Â¦ [url]http://www.paganlibrary.com/reference/odinism.php[/url]
2005-07-03 15:25 | User Profile
And?
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]And I believe in leprechauns and extra terrestrials. :shocking:[/QUOTE]
2005-07-03 17:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]The only reason America is still standing is because we are living off of the last vestiges of Christianity.[/QUOTE]
I would ask you to provide proof for this comment, but I'm sure you will direct me to a biblical passage, in which I am not interested in.
Nay, the reason we are at our last vestige is due to promotion of race-mixing, much thanks to the Christian churches.
I have no problem with Christians who are racially conscious, but don't try to say that Christianity is the reason our country is still standing, it is one of the reasons we are falling.
2005-07-03 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]I would ask you to provide proof for this comment, but I'm sure you will direct me to a biblical passage, in which I am not interested in. I might direct you to Culture of Critique, where he notes, in our modern age, how difficult it is to maintain support for hi-investment parenting in today without the religious supports for such.
Nay, the reason we are at our last vestige is due to promotion of race-mixing, much thanks to the Christian churches. The Churches where they do lapse into inactivity on this question are just yielding to the pressures of the secular America you show yourself to be such an integral part of.
Nowhere outside of the Churches to you find any resistance to the idea that girls should be encouraged to sleep with any sort of two legged or multi-legged creature they take a fancy to. And the monotony with which liberals reproach Sunday morning as being "the most segregated hour in America" thus tends to allow liberals within the Churches to exert their amount of pressure.
Sanctimonious holy than thou pagans on race are often just posturing behind internet anonymity.
I have no problem with Christians who are racially conscious, but don't try to say that Christianity is the reason our country is still standing, it is one of the reasons we are falling.[/QUOTE]OK, tell me then why the pagan NA is falling then, torn between the porn star wannabees and those reputed to have other sexual deviancies.
They didn't get this in a church, unless it was one with a liberal faith that accepts paganism.
2005-07-03 23:12 | User Profile
Lets not have a religious brawl over a single line of bait laid out by Gabrielle.
2005-07-04 00:00 | User Profile
[size=3][color=#ff0000]Jesus, Odin, Mithras, Bacchus ... [/color][color=#cc0066]Virgin birth, cross, Lamb of God ...[/color][/size][font=Times New Roman][color=#ff0000] [size=3]How are the ancient gods similar?[/size][/color][color=#027757] Read all about it, here:[/color][/font] [font=Times New Roman][color=#027757][url="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html"]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html[/url][/color][/font] [font=Times New Roman][color=#027757][img]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/bacchus_crucified1_sm.gif[/img] [/color][/font]
2005-07-04 00:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=albion][size=3][color=#ff0000]Jesus, Odin, Mithras, Bacchus ... [/color][color=#cc0066]Virgin birth, cross, Lamb of God ...[/color][/size][font=Times New Roman][color=#ff0000] [size=3]How are the ancient gods similar?[/size][/color][color=#027757] Read all about it, here:[/color][/font] [font=Times New Roman][color=#027757][url="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html"]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html[/url][/color][/font] [font=Times New Roman][color=#027757][img]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/bacchus_crucified1_sm.gif[/img] [/color][/font][/QUOTE]
Are you LF's "Heretic?"
2005-07-04 05:06 | User Profile
Iam no fan of christianity, but what it always comes down too is the churches take there step from the real ruling powers of the time, if I was in power the churches would be officially preaching the message of racial separation and preservation, plus a solar ideal over the femine[lunar] ideal they spew by the buckets today. It would be very akin to the attitude of warrior caste of christian Europe. The need to be the care takers and live in balance with the ecosystem, anti materalism.etc :hitler:
2005-07-04 10:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=G.Larson]...if I was in power the churches would be officially preaching the message of...a solar ideal over the femine[lunar] ideal...The need to be the care takers and live in balance with the ecosystem...[/QUOTE]
No disrespect G, but not much sounds more sissyfied than "being the caretakers" and "living in balance with the ecosystem".
Real men take dominion, which is of course the Biblical mandate.
2005-07-04 10:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=albion]Jesus, Odin, Mithras, Bacchus ...Virgin birth, cross, Lamb of God ...How are the ancient gods similar?[/QUOTE]
Yawn. :yawn:
Petr could rip all that nonsense apart in half a post. Tops. :)
2005-07-04 17:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I might direct you to Culture of Critique, where he notes, in our modern age, how difficult it is to maintain support for hi-investment parenting in today without the religious supports for such.[/QUOTE] I purchased it a while back, I will get to reading it soon.
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Sanctimonious holy than thou pagans on race are often just posturing behind internet anonymity.[/QUOTE] I have no clue why you keep bringing up pagans, I am not one.
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]OK, tell me then why the pagan NA is falling then, torn between the porn star wannabees and those reputed to have other sexual deviancies.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say that the NA fell apart because they are pagan? Again, I will ask for proof of that but you will direct me to a biblical passage. No, they did not fall apart because they are/were "pagan" but because of poor leadership. If that is your type of reasoning I would like to know why Christian churches "fall apart" by getting hit by tornados or catch fire or whatever. See my point? That is bad reasoning.
2005-07-04 17:12 | User Profile
Sorry for a double post but I missed this before I posted, and can not edit my message.
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]OK, tell me then why the pagan NA is falling then, torn between the porn star wannabees and those reputed to have other sexual deviancies.
They didn't get this in a church, unless it was one with a liberal faith that accepts paganism.[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of the Catholic church? How about those Catholic priests? Yeah...
2005-07-04 17:56 | User Profile
None taken, but our ecosystem is our life support system on this earth, most of all our food comes from it, we can not breath without air, and the trees and plants give us oxygen needed for us to live. And it provides us with the water we and the earth needs to live. Destruction of the balance of man and the ecosystem is death. Looking in the bible in the start Adam acted as a caring keeper of nature not as it's raper and murdered. What sounds sissy is should be common sense.
As for the "real men take dominion" funny how all it takes is one earth quake or massive flood or other great act of nature. And the whole dominion thing comes crashing down.
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]No disrespect G, but not much sounds more sissyfied than "being the caretakers" and "living in balance with the ecosystem".
Real men take dominion, which is of course the Biblical mandate.[/QUOTE]
2005-07-04 19:26 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "As for the "real men take dominion" funny how all it takes is one earth quake or massive flood or other great act of nature. And the whole dominion thing comes crashing down."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
You are "exerting dominion over nature" every time you find homosexuality, infanticide or cannibalism distasteful (all common among animals).
"To be one with nature" (with the nature being presently in the state of fallenness) is a road to animalistic savagery and degradation. You can find some of the most "natural" human beings on earth from places like Rwanda or Congo.
Petr
2005-07-04 19:55 | User Profile
I'm not going to post in this thread any longer because I know it is a very divisive subject, and I don't want to start any flame wars like a previous poster stated. You choose to follow the tribal desert god, and I choose not to. At least we are racially conscious. Christianity aside, I really do like this forum.
2005-07-04 20:50 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "You choose to follow the tribal desert god, and I choose not to."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
What do you have against deserts?
Petr
2005-07-04 23:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][color=Purple][font=Arial] - "You choose to follow the tribal desert god, and I choose not to."[/font][/color]
What do you have against deserts?
Petr[/QUOTE] To me they are hot, ugly, and boring landscape compared to European and North American land. What do you have against atheists/agnostics?
2005-07-05 03:56 | User Profile
[COLOR=Indigo][FONT=Arial][I][B] - "To me they are hot, ugly, and boring landscape compared to European and North American land." [/B] [/I] [/FONT] [/COLOR]
And this has something to do with religion exactly how? Looks like a logical [I]non sequitur[/I].
Are you aware that according to most scholars, the original home of Indo-Europeans lies in the very dull-looking deserts and steppes around the Caspian sea (Scythia)? Vedic Aryans were pillaging desert nomads par excellence.
Petr
2005-07-05 05:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][color=Indigo][font=Arial]*** - "To me they are hot, ugly, and boring landscape compared to European and North American land." ** * [/font] [/color]
And this has something to do with religion exactly how? Looks like a logical non sequitur.
[/QUOTE] It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, you asked "What do you have against deserts?" and I gave you an answer.
Have a nice day. :)
2005-07-05 09:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=G.Larson]As for the "real men take dominion" funny how all it takes is one earth quake or massive flood or other great act of nature. And the whole dominion thing comes crashing down.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't come crashing down, G. It's just what keeps us humble and reminds us of who is ultimately in control of things lest we get an exalted sense of ourselves and our 'reason' and 'science'.
Once again, we see that God's plan as laid out in the Scriptures makes the most sense and 'fits' our real sense of things and circumstances better than anything else. The trick for us is to accept that and remain content in some paradoxes with much fear and trembling.
2005-07-05 10:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It doesn't come crashing down, G. It's just what keeps us humble and reminds us of who is ultimately in control of things lest we get an exalted sense of ourselves and our 'reason' and 'science'.
My comment about crashing down had more to do with destruction of the delusion of supreme rulership of the elements and nature. So I guess we agree.
[quote=Texas Dissident]Once again, we see that God's plan as laid out in the Scriptures makes the most sense and 'fits' our real sense of things and circumstances better than anything else. The trick for us is to accept that and remain content in some paradoxes with much fear and trembling.[/QUOTE] Cool I do not think it is the Creators plan to have us poision our planet.
2005-07-05 10:14 | User Profile
The understanding is to exist in balance between natural self and higher self, if the pendulum swings too far either way it brings ruin to a people. I do not view nature as a wicked thing to be hated. And I do not consider blacks to be "human" either.
[QUOTE=Petr][font=Arial][color=purple] - "As for the "real men take dominion" funny how all it takes is one earth quake or massive flood or other great act of nature. And the whole dominion thing comes crashing down."[/color][/font]
You are "exerting dominion over nature" every time you find homosexuality, infanticide or cannibalism distasteful (all common among animals).
"To be one with nature" (with the nature being presently in the state of fallenness) is a road to animalistic savagery and degradation. You can find some of the most "natural" human beings on earth from places like Rwanda or Congo.
Petr[/QUOTE]
2005-07-05 13:18 | User Profile
Just a quick off-topic note:
[QUOTE=G.Larson]And I do not consider blacks to be "human" either.[/QUOTE] Actually, blacks must be members of the human species by definition because they're (unfortunately) capable of mating with whites and producing viable offspring.
Nevertheless, because blacks and whites developed more or less separately over most of their respective histories, in different environments in different parts of the world, they tend to have different mental and physical characteristics. Whites tend to be more intelligent, blacks get sunburned less easily, etc.
2005-07-05 15:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]I'm not going to post in this thread any longer because I know it is a very divisive subject, and I don't want to start any flame wars like a previous poster stated. You choose to follow the tribal desert god, and I choose not to. At least we are racially conscious. Christianity aside, I really do like this forum.[/QUOTE]
Welcome, Fourteen Words.
2005-07-05 15:09 | User Profile
I have heard of cases of apes and people spawing, does not mean I would consider the spawn to be "human" being around blacks alot they are just totally inferior, next to Whites. I have read alot of facts of biological difference between Humans[whites] and blacks, to the point where it is safe to say they belong besides the apes in classifaction not "human."
The term human to be honest I do not care to use much as it is a pointless term, that is given to any two legged biped that can grunt, eat and screw. It seems to be a term used to get people to think along universal lines, we are all this thing called human. And now we all have souls and god made us all equal, we are a universal brotherhood.etc
Now hue-manity is a more honest term.
[QUOTE=Angler]Just a quick off-topic note:
Actually, blacks must be members of the human species by definition because they're (unfortunately) capable of mating with whites and producing viable offspring.
Nevertheless, because blacks and whites developed more or less separately over most of their respective histories, in different environments in different parts of the world, they tend to have different mental and physical characteristics. Whites tend to be more intelligent, blacks get sunburned less easily, etc.[/QUOTE]
2005-07-05 16:05 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "I have read alot of facts of biological difference between Humans[whites] and blacks, to the point where it is safe to say they belong besides the apes in classifaction not "human."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
I'd like to know just exactly you have been reading. We have already seen how your vague your idea on what being "natural" is - why should your judgment on what being "human" be any better?
[COLOR=Purple][FONT=Arial][B][I]"The understanding is to exist in balance between natural self and higher self, if the pendulum swings too far either way it brings ruin to a people."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
This is also known as [B]inconsistent cherry-picking[/B].
Having (on average) 10-20 lesser IQ points than Whites does not yet cancel your "humanness". Arguing like this makes WNs look just the kind of dumb, stone-hearted monsters that jewsmedia so much likes to portray us as.
Just for the sake of argument, where do you think that "humanity" begins then? Where would you place people like Filipinos?
Petr
2005-07-06 19:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][font=Arial][color=purple]****[/color][/font] I'd like to know just exactly you have been reading. We have already seen how your vague your idea on what being "natural" is - why should your judgment on what being "human" be any better?
Who is we? Just because my ideal on being natural is vague to you does not make it so. Why should your judgment be any better you base your view off of a man made book you consider holy.
[quote=petr]This is also known as inconsistent cherry-picking.
Really? It is known as petr does not agree.
[quote=petr]Having (on average) 10-20 lesser IQ points than Whites does not yet cancel your "humanness". Arguing like this makes WNs look just the kind of dumb, stone-hearted monsters that jewsmedia so much likes to portray us as.
Like I care what the jews think or what the masses of asses "think" either. I reject there value system. Humanness means nothing most of hue-manity is worthless. The idea of humanness is just some idea that people created and pushed on others.
[quote=petr]Just for the sake of argument, where do you think that "humanity" begins then? Where would you place people like Filipinos? Petr[/QUOTE] What is hue-manity?
2005-07-06 20:08 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Really? It is known as petr does not agree."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Nope. You said that you'll be able to pick-and-choose stuff from [B]both[/B] your "natural self" and "higher self" as if there wouldn't exist some fundamental contradictions between them. Plus, how exactly do you define this "higher self"?
[COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "Like I care what the jews think or what the masses of asses "think" either. I reject there value system."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
It is easy for any loser to adopt this smugly elitist attitude and think it makes him somehow superior. However, nihilism isn't something you can just [I]flirt[/I] with - it's an [I]all-covering deal [/I] and once you turn your back on universal ethics you can't just conveniently retain some sentimental relics of morality like "raping nature is wrong."
You said that niggers are not "human," [B]ergo[/B], you too have some concept of what true "humanity" is. Simple logic, that.
Petr
2005-07-06 21:13 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Purple][B][SIZE=3]"Jesus, Odin, Mithras, Bacchus ... Virgin birth, cross, Lamb of God ... How are the ancient gods similar?"[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
This sort of stuff is not best refuted with systematic scholarly responses (which it does not actually even deserve) but with [B]ridicule[/B].
:lol:
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[FONT=Georgia] [COLOR=Blue][SIZE=5]How Napoleon Never Existed, or The Great Error, Source of an Infinite Number of Errors To be Seen in the History of the Nineteenth Century[/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=Blue][B]By Monsieur J.-B.Péres, AOAM, town librarian of Agen
Published for the first time in 1827[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
Petr
2005-07-06 21:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=albion][img]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/bacchus_crucified1_sm.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
It should be mentioned that German archeologists in the 1950's determined that this gem(supposedly of a pagan god being crucified) was a forgery!
2005-07-06 21:45 | User Profile
Odinism has little if anything to do with the Norse pagan religion. I also find it funny that many Odinists are so staunchly anti-Christian, considering the fact that evidence shows that the Vikings were worshipping Christ alongside Thor and Odin as early as the 860's. So the Vikings had no problems with worshipping Christ, it was the notion of worshipping Christ ALONE that they resisted.
There's are also scholars who claim that Christianity was a big influence on the Norse religion as well; how Valhalla and many of the gods(especially Wotan) are elements of Christian influence.
2005-07-07 03:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=perun1201]There's are also scholars who claim that Christianity was a big influence on the Norse religion as well; how Valhalla and many of the gods(especially Wotan) are elements of Christian influence.[/QUOTE] And there are also many scholars who say Christianity ripped off of other pagan religions.
2005-07-07 03:50 | User Profile
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Indigo][B][I] - "And there are also many scholars who say Christianity ripped off of other pagan religions."[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT]
Now there's a vague statement if there ever was one.. just what scholars?
(Borrowing inessential things like christmas trees doesn't count.)
Petr
2005-07-07 04:34 | User Profile
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2005-07-07 04:37 | User Profile
Odinism may come off to people as stupid right now but that is only because it isn't popular. If it was more popular, like any other religion, I bet it would be much more respected. Odinism has more potential to be popular than a screwed up religion like Judaism.
2005-07-07 04:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=G.Larson]Like I care what the jews think or what the masses of asses "think" either. I reject there value system. Humanness means nothing most of hue-manity is worthless. The idea of humanness is just some idea that people created and pushed on others.
What is hue-manity?[/QUOTE]You sound like the pagan Spengler's "humanity is nothing but a zoological abstraction".
Which I think is rather beneath Spengler.
2005-07-07 05:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Now there's a vague statement if there ever was one[/QUOTE] Yeah just as vague as perun1201's comment when he said "There's are also scholars who claim that Christianity was a big influence on the Norse religion as well."
I can't believe how one sided this forum is regarding religion. Jeeeebus.
I really did say I would stay out of this thread and I'm not doing a good job at doing it unfortunately.
Keep worshiping your semitic god, it's really paying off.
I'm done.
2005-07-07 05:46 | User Profile
[COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "I can't believe how one sided this forum is regarding religion. Jeeeebus."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Spare us from that whine. You mean that here we have Christians who are actually ready to defend their beliefs, rather than groveling before pagan overmen?
In places like VNN Forum you can find some [B]really[/B] one-sided discussions on religion.
Petr
2005-07-08 03:30 | User Profile
Is that a direct statement I made? Or your assumption, I stated a balance between the two. Higher self to me is the God force within.
[QUOTE=Petr][color=red][font=Arial]****[/font][/color]
Nope. You said that you'll be able to pick-and-choose stuff from both your "natural self" and "higher self" as if there wouldn't exist some fundamental contradictions between them. Plus, how exactly do you define this "higher self"?
Well it is easy for any loser to adopt a smugly elitist attitude about anything, like religion, what is your point? Besides you disagree.
[quote=petrIt is easy for any loser to adopt this smugly elitist attitude and think it makes him somehow superior. However, nihilism isn't something you can just flirt with - it's an all-covering deal and once you turn your back on universal ethics you can't just conveniently retain some sentimental relics of morality like "raping nature is wrong."
2005-07-09 04:37 | User Profile
[left][img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/192934001X.01.AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ.jpg[/img][size=3]The Way of the Heathen: A Handbook of Greater Theodism (Paperback) [/size]by [color=#003399]Garman Lord[/color][/left] [left][url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/192934001X/102-4064469-5820941?v=glance"]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/192934001X/102-4064469-5820941?v=glance[/url][/left] [left] [/left] Garman Lord has been a Norse Heathen for a long time. He had a Odinist mag called the Vikingstaff in the early 1980s. The thing I really find interesting is that Garman Lord bases Theodism.. Theod, being an Old English word for Folk or race, not on the Sagas and the Eddas, but on Beowulf and other Anglo-Saxon text, and he comes up with a whole new idea of what the worship of the Gods was like.
2005-07-09 11:11 | User Profile
Heathenism has no legitimate place in America, which is a Christian nation.
2005-07-09 11:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Sienna][FONT=Arial][B][I] - "I can't believe how one sided this forum is regarding religion. Jeeeebus."[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
Spare us from that whine. You mean that here we have Christians who are actually ready to defend their beliefs, rather than groveling before pagan overmen?
Petr[/QUOTE]
Finding Christians willing to bash heathens isn't hard. Every judeochurchianity fundamentalist is willing to do that. Yet there are hardly enough Christian nationalists in America, or Europe for that matter, to fill one church.
2005-07-09 11:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Finding Christians willing to bash heathens isn't hard. Every judeochurchianity fundamentalist is willing to do that. Unrepentant heathens who attempt to defile normal Americans with their poison are worthy of death. The same goes for heathens found invoking their demons on the Sabbath.> Yet there are hardly enough Christian nationalists in America, or Europe for that matter, to fill one church.[/QUOTE]You should be embarrassed at making such a transparently ridiculous statement. American nationalists are by definition Christian nationalists, as America is a Christian nation. The vast majority of Americans are Christian, so it stands to reason that American nationalists are too. Now, if you mean that Christian nationalists do not worship Hitler and tree gods as you do, you have a point.
2005-07-09 11:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Origen]Unrepentant heathens who attempt to defile normal Americans with their poison are worthy of death.
Are we a little nutty or what? LOL.
"[B]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion[/B], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
2005-07-09 11:52 | User Profile
[B]Puritans[/B] were the[B] real [/B] "Founding Fathers" of America, and not those late-18th century upstarts.
Petr
2005-07-09 11:53 | User Profile
Petr and Raina, together at last.
2005-07-09 11:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."[/QUOTE]Congress does not need to make such a law. God already did. But go ahead, keep on pimping for the ACLU. Just know that you are fighting on the wrong side of history.
2005-07-09 11:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Origen]You should be embarrassed[/QUOTE][indent]Give me that old time religion <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />
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2005-07-09 11:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Puritans were the** real ** "Founding Fathers" of America, and not those late-18th century upstarts.[/QUOTE]This is true. Yet Washington, Adams, and company would cheerfully shoot the heathen likes of Bardamu.
2005-07-09 11:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Origen]This is true. Yet Washington, Adams, and company would cheerfully shoot the heathen likes of Bardamu.[/QUOTE]
They would hardly care if I disagreed with Petr and Raina. :biggrin:
2005-07-09 12:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]They would hardly care if I disagreed with Petr and Raina. :biggrin:[/QUOTE]The pioneers would have shot you for the same reason they wiped out the Indian savages. Those heathens were destroyed as a mighty judgement from God. What makes you think your heathenry is any less disgusting to normal, Christian Americans?
2005-07-09 12:02 | User Profile
Yup, Origen, I'm beginning to get a little suspicious about you...
Petr
2005-07-09 12:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Yup, Origen, I'm beginning to get a little suspicious about you...
Petr[/QUOTE]Why? Would you rather me treat disgusting heathens with "tolerance" and "compassion?" Christians and heathens are not meant to be equally yoked. It is America's duty to recognize and enforce God's law.
2005-07-09 12:17 | User Profile
You smell like an [I]agent provocateur [/I] - can you prove otherwise?
Petr
2005-07-09 12:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]You smell like an *agent provocateur * - can you prove otherwise?
Petr[/QUOTE]I have said nothing not in accordance with God's law, as enunciated in His Word. As I asked in the PM, need I cite chapter and verse? It should not be news to you that unrepentant heathens who blaspheme God deserve no mercy.
2005-10-25 01:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=FourteenWords]Yeah just as vague as perun1201's comment when he said "There's are also scholars who claim that Christianity was a big influence on the Norse religion as well."[/QUOTE]
ââ¬ÅPagan beliefs and rituals must have been affected by contact with Christianity. It is likely, for example, that the concept of Valhalla, first evidenced in the mid-tenth century, was shaped under Christian influence. Poetry and pictures provide good evidence for some Scandinavian myths and the attributes of a few of their gods, but most of that evidence is not early enough to escaped the risk of some Christian contaminationââ¬Â¦.Pagan rituals were originally conducted in the open air or in houses of rulers and chieftains, but pagans may have been influenced by the example of Christian churches to build a temple in Scandinaviaââ¬â¢s most important cult centers, if nowhere else(O. Olsen).ââ¬Â --Birgit and Peter Sawyer Medieval Scandinavia: From Conversion to Reformation circa 800-1500 pg.104;105