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Thread ID: 18929 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2005-07-01
2005-07-01 03:59 | User Profile
[I]The main reason that Muslim nations don't usually show up with high AIDS statistics is that they simply do not publicize them - in fact, all government statistics from Muslim countries cannot be trusted in the same manner as statistics from Christian countries, where there is a tradition of [B]truth-telling[/B].[/I]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050629/hl_afp/aidsasiamuslims_050629170634[/url] [FONT=Arial]
[SIZE=5]Muslim nations face AIDS reality[/SIZE]
[B]Wed Jun 29, 1:06 PM ET[/B]
WASHINGTON (AFP) - An AIDS crisis is threatening to overwhelm many predominantly Muslim countries but their leaders remain in a state of denial and are doing little to stem the deadly problem, a pioneering study says.
In one of the most comprehensive reports on AIDS covering the Muslim world, experts warned of serious repercussions if governments continued to sweep the problem under the carpet.
In a report released by the Seattle-based think tank, the National Bureau of Asian Research, they said "if leaders continue to ignore the problem, AIDS could debilitate or even destabilize some of these societies by killing large numbers of people in the 15 to 49-year age group."
This would deprive the Muslim countries of some of their best, brightest, and most economically productive members, said Laura Kelley and Nicholas Eberstadt in the report.
A private infectious disease specialist, Kelly had previously undertaken AIDS research for the US National Intelligence Council as well as other diseases for the USAID, the principal foreign aid agency of the United States, while Eberstadt is a scholar at American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington-based think tank.
"An important take home message for all Muslim nations is that real behaviours on the streets are sometimes in marked contrast to the expected behaviours of good Muslims and that is something that leaders in these countries must deal with," Kelly told AFP.
The report said that even though the Muslim world was home to behaviors such as premarital sex, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, and intravenous drug use -- which help spread the HIV virus that causes AIDS -- many governments have been slow to respond to the rapidly spreading disease.
"What is especially troubling to behold is the reluctance to admit that Muslims engage in exactly those same dangerous behaviors that support the transmission and spread of HIV/AIDS elsewhere," it said, blaming "deeply rooted cultural and religious attitudes.
"This reluctance even to recognize the problem will only accelerate the epidemic and make it more difficult for the international community to provide meaningful support and treatment," the report said.
"We would have thought the Muslim world was in a sense vaccinated from this kind of pandemic but in fact the dreadful news is that it is not, said Michael Birt, the director of National Bureau of Asian Research's center for health.
"Now with the Muslim world becoming involved, its truly a global crisis," he told AFP.
Kelly proposed "sweeping legal changes" to reduce the social stigma associated with the disease and protect the AIDS sufferers in Muslim nations "to ensure them medical treatment, employment and discourage suicide."
The Muslim world of more than one billion people covers three continents -- from Albania and Turkey in Europe, across countries bordering the Sahara in Northern Africa, and through the Persian Gulf and South Asia to Malaysia and Indonesia in the east, the report said.
Officially, the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS ( UNAIDS) estimates the total HIV population of North Africa, the Middle East, and predominantly Muslim Asia at nearly one million people.
At the end of 2003, UNAIDS estimated that up to 420,000 in Mali, 180,000 people in Indonesia, 150,000 in Pakistan, and 61,000 in Iran had HIV/AIDS.
"Those numbers, however, are severely understated," Kelly and Eberstadt said in a separate report on Foreign Policy magazine, published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
They said UNAIDS figures depended upon surveillance data -- "thus a lack of information can be taken as a lack of infection."
UNAIDS data on the number of people living with HIV/AIDS is completely missing for Afghanistan, Turkey, and Somalia, "all nations with large numbers of at-risk populations," they said.
The study cited Iran and Bangladesh as among Muslim governments that seem to be combating the problem effectively.
"Iran's President Mohammad Khatami and his administration have been very forthcoming about the extent of the epidemic and the urgent need to control the further spread of the disease," it said.
"Perhaps surprising, given the Iranian regime's conservative reputation, needle exchange programs also have been offered in high drug-use areas of Tehran, and syringes are now sold over the counter in many pharmacies," the report said.
Kelley said some of Iran's anti-AIDS programs "are more liberal than some overseas programs funded by United States," citing condom distribution as among areas opposed by some Christian groups.
Hopefully, she said, the incoming administration of hardliner President Mahmood Ahmadinejad would continue and expand upon the education and prevention efforts.[/FONT]
2005-07-01 04:27 | User Profile
And the same goes for the state of Israel.
As I read about four of five years ago, according to the AMA the highest per capita rate of homos IN THE WORLD are in the state of Israel, I find it interesting that I only read it one time and one time only and then pufffffff it was gone from the web.
How many of those people die of AIDS per year? how many got it? where are they being keep?
After all they even have a fag day, I believe that it was this week.
So my friend PETR when you talk about the Muslims (Arabs) don't forget your friends the Jews, and stop trying to turn the American people against the Arab world by your propaganda and bullzhit.......
2005-07-01 06:02 | User Profile
[COLOR=Indigo][B][I] - "So my friend PETR when you talk about the Muslims (Arabs) don't forget your friends the Jews, and stop trying to turn the American people against the Arab world by your propaganda and bullzhit......."[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Shut up, you Muslim-loving twit/troll. I don't have to refer to Jews every freaking time I open my mouth, but you may not be able to appreciate such a sane approach.
Petr
2005-07-01 06:25 | User Profile
I am shocked. What a bunch of infidels they are! And here I was under the impression that Muslims were morally perfect. LOL.
2005-07-01 07:52 | User Profile
Now with the Muslim world becoming involved, its truly a global crisis," he told AFP.
Except for normal White people, although it is a bit of a crisis in terms of our taxpayer money being tossed into the money pit of their diseases.
2005-07-01 07:55 | User Profile
[COLOR=Indigo][B][I] - "And here I was under the impression that Muslims were morally perfect. LOL."[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Actually even many WNs seem to be working under this delusion of "Muslim morality" - like thinking that the Black Muslim movement has improved the Black morality.
It is a standard Islamic propaganda line to clamor how morally corrupt the West is compared to the Muslim world, when in fact phenomenons such as corruption, sodomy and drug usage are rampant in many Islamic countries.
Muslims are just good in sweeping their moral shortcomings under the carpet, out of outsiders' sight - something that many Christians or people influenced by Christian culture are unwilling or simply unable to do.
Petr
2005-07-01 08:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][color=indigo] - [/color] Actually even many WNs seem to be working under this delusion of "Muslim morality" - **like thinking that the Black Muslim movement has improved the Black morality. **
Petr[/QUOTE] This is an interesting thread that was posted on VNNf a few weeks ago about a killing spree by American black muslims that was called the "Zebra killings." I am not sure who has heard about this. I know I hadn't.
[url="http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=19534"]www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=19534[/url]
There are both sane as well as insane things about the black muslim movement. I don't really know if I would say it has improved their morality, but for some it does seem to give them some standards to live by that are preferable. The most important being that it seems to give them a sense of pride(phony and nutty though a lot of their doctrine may be, and so completely different from true Islam) that makes them want to stick to their own kind, and not race-mix among many other things.
2005-07-01 15:39 | User Profile
The Irony of this whole AIDS situation is great. I wonder if they think (as the Africans do) that raping an infant will cure the disease...
[QUOTE=starr]I am shocked. What a bunch of infidels they are! And here I was under the impression that Muslims were morally perfect. LOL.[/QUOTE]
2005-07-01 15:44 | User Profile
muslims having problems with aids ? so tell me, what is the problem again ?
2005-07-01 16:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It is a standard Islamic propaganda line to clamor how morally corrupt the West is compared to the Muslim world, when in fact phenomenons such as corruption, sodomy and drug usage are rampant in many Islamic countries.[/QUOTE]
Quite true. Strange how the Muslim sensibility will rail against pre-marital sex and demand stoning to death for this corruption but will justify sodomy with children.
2005-07-02 15:43 | User Profile
From Petr: "Muslims are just good in sweeping their moral shortcomings under the carpet, out of outsiders' sight - something that many Christians or people influenced by Christian culture are unwilling or simply unable to do."
The root cause of this capability is the restrictions on Free Speech in the entirety of the Muslim world. I wonder if they all listened to Gandalf's line: Keep it secret, keep it safe . . . meaning their dirty little problems. Al Jaziera is, as best I can understand it, an experiment in relaxing prohibitions on free speech in Qatar. The Emir there is taking quite a few social risks in his attempts to be "progressive." I'd bet he gets paid back with a reactionary Islamicist revolution sponsored by Wahabi sorts in Saudi.
2005-07-03 01:35 | User Profile
At the end of 2003, UNAIDS estimated that up to 420,000 in Mali, 180,000 people in Indonesia, 150,000 in Pakistan, and 61,000 in Iran had HIV/AIDS.
"Those numbers, however, are severely understated".....
They're always "understated", aren't they? Ever since the CDC doomsayers started telling us in '85 that, by 2000, 25% of the world's population would be dead of AIDS, the Immunodeficient-Industrial Complex has been seizing upon every sudden summer shower to start shrieking that the sky is falling. Again.
Y'know what I think? I think the various AIDS agencies now perform the duties for the NWO that the CIA and their 'consultant'/'development' fronts used to perform for the Bad Old West....using bland, vaguely benevolent covers to establish entree in Third World shitholes-of-interest, thereupon to co-opt the 'friendlies' to help isolate/contain the 'unfriendlies'. In the old days it might've been called a nondescript company name or something civic-sounding and puerile; nowadays the growing self-importance of our educated classes demands something more...humanitarian. (And isn't AIDS - the killer disease that doesn't ever seem to kill anyone any longer, but that won't go away - a perfect cover for any number of fronts?)
Maybe this is just (more) racist, tinfoil nervous-nellyism on my part ..... but I think something as amorphously official-sounding as "National Bureau of Asian Research" would make a perfect conduit through which to pay off strongmen, fund small armies, arrange disinformation campaigns and revitalize moribund "insurgents" (or "coalition-trained troops"...whichever is the more expedient that week).
2005-07-03 01:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][color=Indigo] - "And here I was under the impression that Muslims were morally perfect. LOL."[/color]
Actually even many WNs seem to be working under this delusion of "Muslim morality" - like thinking that the Black Muslim movement has improved the Black morality.
It is a standard Islamic propaganda line to clamor how morally corrupt the West is compared to the Muslim world, when in fact phenomenons such as corruption, sodomy and drug usage are rampant in many Islamic countries.
Muslims are just good in sweeping their moral shortcomings under the carpet, out of outsiders' sight - something that many Christians or people influenced by Christian culture are unwilling or simply unable to do.
Goddamn double-talking,lying shit-skinned ,thrid world faggot devils!!!!
"LIAR!!BLACK LIAR!!!!" - The Wild Bunch
2005-07-03 03:38 | User Profile
Given the fondness for Sodomy the Arabs, Turks, and Persians have this is not that shocking.
2005-07-03 04:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Given the fondness for Sodomy the Arabs, Turks, and Persians have this is not that shocking.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.
2005-07-03 04:39 | User Profile
I am willing to wait for more information about the alleged great increase in AIDS in the Islamic world before making any firm conclusions. The international medical community has been looking for ways to exaggerate the AIDS problem for years in order to get a cure for thier homo friends. Remember the false reports of alleged high incidence of AIDS in females in the US? It never happened, despite the hoopla.
The UN and other agencies have been reporting to the world for years about a big AIDS epidemic in Africa. This epidemic does not exist. They count millions of people as having AIDS when all they have is traditional tropical diseases. In the West when someone has what appears to be an immune system problem, he is given an AIDS test. In most of Africa these tests are not given and folks with all sorts of jungle maladies are counted as AIDS victims because they have various forms of wasting type diseases.
I simply don't trust the judgement of the international medical community on these issues. I consider Islam a false religion, but I will not participate in slandering an honorable people, however kooky their faith.
2005-07-03 13:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Given the fondness for Sodomy the Arabs, Turks, and Persians have this is not that shocking.[/QUOTE]
They treat women worse than animals. They are all filthy pigs... may they all die of aids. :osama:
2005-07-03 13:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]They treat women worse than animals. They are all filthy pigs... may they all die of aids. :osama:[/QUOTE] I'm glad to see that there are still no shades of gray in Gabbyworld.
2005-07-03 14:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]I'm glad to see that there are still no shades of gray in Gabbyworld.[/QUOTE]
Facts are what they are.