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2005-06-30 01:54 | User Profile
Bill Cosby: African-Americans 'Not Holding Up Their End of the Deal'
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It came as a shock to many last year when Bill Cosby, one of America's top TV dads and comedians, strongly criticized low-income African-Americans, and then took that message on the road.
In a series of "Conversations with Cosby" held in cities with large urban and poor populations, Cosby has said African-Americans are not "holding up their end of the deal" and need to take more responsibility for their families and communities.
During these events, Cosby has been tight-lipped with the media, often talking only to columnists in order to promote his advocacy. But the entertainer invited "Nightline's" Michel Martin to sit down for an exclusive interview during his latest event in St. Louis. Martin shared a preview of the piece, which airs in its entirety tonight, with "Good Morning America."
Cosby calls his town meetings "call outs" and has traveled to 12 cities so far, spreading his message of personal responsibility. He has lambasted "lower-economic people," parents who spend more on athletic shoes than education, and children who use poor English and curse constantly. He has said blacks need to stop blaming whites and take control of their children and their communities.
"Nine hundred kids enter many of these high schools, and 35 walk out with diplomas," Cosby told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The rest are in prison, pregnant or wandering around doing nothing." Critics have dubbed it the "Blame the Poor Tour," and blasted Cosby's remarks as hurtful and stereotypical.
2005-06-30 02:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE] Critics have dubbed it the "Blame the Poor Tour," and blasted Cosby's remarks as hurtful and stereotypical[/QUOTE] I guess his critics would be much more happy with the "blame whitey tour"
2005-06-30 02:30 | User Profile
GO BILL! just don't get carried away and forget there IS an oppressor. But, as MEN and as WOMEN, African-Americans can overcome him, in part by following Dr. Cosby's advice.
2005-06-30 02:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]GO BILL! just don't get carried away and forget there IS an oppressor. But, as MEN and as WOMEN, African-Americans can overcome him, in part by following Dr. Cosby's advice.[/QUOTE]Personally, I look forward to the day when blacks overcome their inner Negro. But I'm not holding my breath. :cool:
2005-06-30 02:42 | User Profile
"inner negro"? sounds like some sort of psychology to me? just who invented that "science" as we know it today?????????????
2005-06-30 03:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]GO BILL! just don't get carried away and forget there IS an oppressor. But, as MEN and as WOMEN, African-Americans can overcome him, in part by following Dr. Cosby's advice.[/QUOTE]I am not quite sure if you are referring to the white man or hymie.
How can the average nigger overcome what they are? Why do you suppose so many blacks reacted negatively to what Cosby is saying?
2005-06-30 03:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I am not quite sure if you are referring to the white man or hymie.
How can the average African-American overcome what they are? Why do you suppose so many blacks reacted negatively to what Cosby is saying?[/QUOTE]
I was referring to Hymie. I suppose the reason many Blacks react negatively to Cosby is same reason that many whites react negatively when the shortcomings of their culture are discussed. Human nature is to sometimes attempt to duck responsibility.
2005-06-30 03:22 | User Profile
Wouldn't you say that what Cosby is referring to along with the many other assorted problems in "the black community" are a little more then shortcomings? And he is only basically addressing American blacks. They seem to have these shortcoming no matter where they are living. Sub-Saharan Africa has the highest violent crime rate of anywhere in the world. Who is oppressing them there, besides themselves or their "inner nigger" as someone referred to earlier.
2005-06-30 03:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Critics have dubbed it the "Blame the Poor Tour," and blasted Cosby's remarks as hurtful and stereotypical.[/QUOTE]
Cosby is basically a moderately racist Negro who is just scratching the surface of the dysfunctions related to the American Negro. But because of political correctness, the author of the article is compelled to indicate some anti-Whites have thought up a cute nursery rhyme for Cosby's agenda and he classifies these clowns as "critics."
2005-06-30 03:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Wouldn't you say that what Cosby is referring to along with the many other assorted problems in "the black community" are a little more then shortcomings? And he is only basically addressing American blacks. They seem to have these shortcoming no matter where they are living. Sub-Saharan Africa has the highest violent crime rate of anywhere in the world. Who is oppressing them there, besides themselves.[/QUOTE] the legacy of colonialism created that enviornment.
2005-06-30 03:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Snouter] Dr.Cosby is basically a moderately racist Black Man who is just scratching the surface of the dysfunctions related to the American Black Man. But because of political correctness, the author of the article is compelled to indicate some anti-Whites have thought up a cute nursery rhyme for Cosby's agenda and he classifies these clowns as "critics."[/QUOTE] it's people like you who keep the problems alive. A Black man who adresses the problems in his community is "moderately racist"? maybe next someone will call him an "Uncle Tom", a "sell-out", or a "white wannabe". Then you can be sure no 15-year old Black youth will want to hear what he's got to say.They'll know for sure the way to be Black is to listen to 50 cent.
2005-06-30 03:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]the legacy of colonialism created that enviornment.[/QUOTE]How did I just know that was coming? LOL. there are always excuses for the poor oppressed negro isn't there? I would say the white man kept them in line a little better and now they are able to revert back to the wild savages the are, unchecked by whitey's "oppression"
So evil white devils like snouter are responsible for the problems in the black community. LMWAO
Caulfield please tell me you are black, rather then a white liberal.
2005-06-30 04:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]How did I just know that was coming? LOL. there are always excuses for the poor oppressed Black Man isn't there? I would say the white man kept them in line a little better and now they are able to revert back to the wild savages the are, unchecked by whitey's "oppression"
So evil white devils like snouter are responsible for the problems in the black community. LMWAO[/QUOTE] Why drag Snouter into this? Are you and he close friends, or are you siding with him only because he is a white racist? if you want to talk wild savages, I can tell you a :dung: -load of stories of the white man's behavior toward Black people in Africa, the Caribbean, and America. If you want to know what Africa was like before "whitey" (your words, not mine) came along to "keep Blacks in line", I can reccomend some good Black authors.
2005-06-30 04:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]Why drag Snouter into this? Are you and he close friends, or are you siding with him only because he is a white racist? if you want to talk wild savages, I can tell you a :dung: -load of stories of the white man's behavior toward Black people in Africa, the Caribbean, and America. If you want to know what Africa was like before "whitey" (your words, not mine) came along to "keep Blacks in line", I can reccomend some good Black authors.[/QUOTE] Just speaking on america and the legacy of "lynching" that every fool always likes to bitch and moan about:crybaby: Are you aware(as has been stated by a few conservative "uncle tom" blacks) that there are more blacks killed by black on black violence in one year then all of the so-called lyncings" combined?. Now that is certainly not something you are going to learn about during black history month.
Yes, I know all about the afro-centric authors and the glories of black africa. LOL. What happened to all of those great civilizations that never existed? yeah, I believe all of that as much as I believe that an evil black scientist named Yakub created the white devil race, or that Elijah Mohammed circles the earth in a spaceship.
2005-06-30 04:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Just speaking on america and the legacy of "lynching" that every fool always likes to bitch and moan about.Are you aware(as has been stated by a few conservative Blacks) that there are more blacks killed by black on black violence in one year then all of the lyncHings" combined?. Now that is certainly not something you are going to learn about during black history month.
Yes, I know all about the afro-centric authors and the glories of
Africa. What happened to all of those great civilizations that existed? yeah, I believe all of that as much as I believe that an evil black scientist named Yakub created the white devil race, or that Elijah Muhammed circles the earth in a spaceship.[/QUOTE]
I am no fool. I was not even thinking about lynchings alone. Are you aware that whites, at times, would pull an unborn baby out of a Black woman's womb, and stomp the baby's head into the ground? Take as many shots as you want at the NOI, I'm not NOI. Have there been no American cults started by white people?
2005-06-30 04:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]I am no fool. I was not even thinking about lynchings alone. Are you aware that whites, at times, would pull an unborn baby out of a Black woman's womb, and stomp the baby's head into the ground? Take as many shots as you want at the NOI, I'm not NOI. Have there been no American cults started by white people?[/QUOTE] Where did you hear that? Yes, I am sure that was something that was happening all the time. After they pulled the unborn baby out of the mother's womb did they write any messages on the walls in blood like the manson family? LOL.
I don't have a problem with the NOI. I just find their "doctrine" to be a tad odd, but any black organizations that seek seperation have some sense.
2005-06-30 08:31 | User Profile
Whitey's not the reason Da Nigga remains a knuckledragger who destroys everything he touches, whatever his locale; it's not colonialism, or The Devastating Legacy of Slavery & Racism: it's that pesky high testosterone/low I.Q. combo.
And that ain't never gonna change.
2005-06-30 08:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]They'll know for sure the way to be Black is to listen to 50 cent.[/QUOTE]
Tragically, it pretty damn well is. Real Black men of distinction, such as Bill Cosby and Booker T. Washington, have always been fantastoic rarities. Under White Supremacy, coercion & fear kep the Black man in line. Absent that, he tends to be a violent beast, and he and his tribe (including the decent ones, sadly perhaps) must go and live somewhere else. When they do, I hope whatever republics they establish are capable enough (although I feel I know this won't be the case) to install men like Bill Cosby into the dominant positions within their political leadership class. More likely, they'd rape & torture him to death, then cook & eat his flesh, alas. And that's why they can't live here.
2005-06-30 12:23 | User Profile
Cosby is 100% right. Until Blacks follow Malcolm X instead of MLK, they will always be boys in a White man's world. The Black Panthers' call for independence and responsibility is a major improvement over the suck up to the White man and get a handout version of Black life fostered by King. Now, it would be foolish to say that Blacks were treated fairly in early America and they obviously had alot to overcome. The fact that in spite all of the handouts and civil rights that they have not only failed to prosper, but fallen further back, shows their lack of inner strength. I'd contend that the Irish famine and persecution was far tougher on us than slavery was on the Blacks, and still we prospered in the long run. Bill Cosby is one of the few men of integrity to come out of the Black community in a long time. Men like him and Allan Keyes are hated by their own people for speaking the truth.
2005-06-30 12:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]Men like him and Allan Keyes are hated by their own people for speaking the truth.[/QUOTE]
That's not the only reason people, Black or otherwise, dislike Alan Keyes....
2005-06-30 14:42 | User Profile
Make no misake. The sexual harassment charges against Cosby are not unrelated to his political stance on the negro. Cosby is one of those disillusioned blacks who really believed his people would prosper if given enough opportunity. Instead, Affirmative Action has turned into a free ride. His people rather than become on par with whites and Asians have become an embarrassment to him instead. Which for me is the bottom line. The black community, for the most part, is an embarrassment to American society.
2005-06-30 20:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Brian Hassett]Cosby is 100% right. Until Blacks follow Malcolm X instead of MLK, they will always be boys in a White man's world.[/QUOTE]
Though I think there IS danger in "blame blackie," though not as much as in "blame whitey."
Because:
As the cavalryman above so eloquently notes, blacks' "problems" aren't really created by conscious activity by blacks or whites, they're created by black brains and bodies as evolved. And though that could change, it wouldn't be for thousands upon thousands of years. They appear as "problems" only in relation to the higher standard of living had by whites. Really, blaming either whites or blacks is like picking between oil and water for whose fault it is that integration isn't working.
Therefore:
Blame whitey gets blacks unfairly mad at us, blame blackie gets them unfairly mad at themselves. But because blacks are constitutionally incapable of getting mad at themselves, that anger spills back over to the point of least resistance: blame whitey.
And blam! We end up getting shot in Seattle.
2005-07-01 18:35 | User Profile
Are you aware that whites, at times, would pull an unborn baby out of a Black woman's womb, and stomp the baby's head into the ground?
Now hold on a second...! I'd had three beers by then, and besides, my buddy dared me to do it.
2005-07-01 19:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Holden Caulfield]I am no fool. I was not even thinking about lynchings alone. Are you aware that whites, at times, would pull an unborn baby out of a Black woman's womb, and stomp the baby's head into the ground? Take as many shots as you want at the NOI, I'm not NOI. Have there been no American cults started by white people?[/QUOTE] On LF, there's a guy saying that whites used to cut off the genitals of Injun women, and put them on their saddlehorns or wear them in their hats.
2005-07-01 19:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]On LF, there's a guy saying that whites used to cut off the genitals of Injun women, and put them on their saddlehorns or wear them in their hats.[/QUOTE] I heard that whites would rip the hearts out of their victims, still beating, and then lower the poor unfortunates into an underground lava pit.
2005-07-01 19:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]Holden Caulfield[/B] I am no fool. I was not even thinking about lynchings alone. Are you aware that [B][SIZE=3]whites, at times, would pull an unborn baby out of a Black woman's womb, and stomp the baby's head into the ground[/SIZE]?[/B] Take as many shots as you want at the NOI, I'm not NOI. Have there been no American cults started by white people?[/QUOTE]
We also taught the Iraqis years ago how to pull Kuwaiti babies out of their little incubators and throw them on the cold, damp floor!!
That, of course, is because our German ancestors in WWI used to take little Belgian babies, toss them up in air and bayonet them in mid-flight!!!
Thank the judenpresse for finding and exposing these wicked deeds!!
2005-07-01 19:53 | User Profile
I saw Saddam feed the entire Iraqi soccer team into this industrial shredder, feet first. The screams will torment me forever.
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2005-07-02 15:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]I saw Saddam feed the entire Iraqi soccer team into this industrial shredder, feet first. The screams will torment me forever.
[img]http://www.mastermagnets.co.uk/rta-images/brch-p1-pic1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I guess that explains their problems with fielding a good World Cup team for so many years. :nerd: