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2005-06-26 22:29 | User Profile

A Day Without Antifa The National Socialist Movement’s Yorktown Rally

6/26/2005 12:40:59 PM Discuss this story in the forum Bill White

Commentary -- I spent yesterday with the National Socialist Movement in Yorktown, Virginia, at what was the best organized and most secure rally I think I’ve ever attended. There were some minor logistical problems, and the good planning made the rally a bit less interesting, in terms of violence, confrontation and rioting, but it as a surprisingly well done day. To sum it up, I spent all day with a swastika armband, wandering around with a crowd of people in brownshirts, and never meaningfully encountered a single counter demonstrator or anti-fascist.

In fact, from what I could tell, and in contrast to CNN, which is misquoting me this morning – I said there was a “hugely disappointing turnout” at the counter rally, not our rally – there were significantly more white activists in attendance as attendees at the Jewish and communist counter- rally, and, apparently, no one at all attended the SPLC-sponsored event a mile away. I head-counted 150 white activists twenty minutes before everyone finished arriving, meaning that as many as 200 whites attended, and I would estimate that there were less than 150 counter demonstrators – probably in the 100 – 120 range (CNN reported 250 counter demonstrators, AP reported 500, so 100 – 120 is probably correct). I can only explain CNN almost inexplicable reversal of reality by nothing that this is the "Big Jewish Lie" in action.

The weekend began with a meeting in Newport News followed by dinner Friday night. The police had been told which main hotel the NSM would be using, and the Newport News police had an appropriate and unobtrusive level of security there. I was able to meet quite a few folk – Commander Jeff Schoep, Chairman Cliff Herrington, Major “Wild Bill” Hoff, Professor Jacque Pluss, and many of the other personalities of the NSM.

Jeff Schoep and Cliff Herrington are both impressive fellows. Herrington appears rather mild-mannered when you first meet him, but once he was at the rally he was an incredibly strong speaker and showed himself an excellent leader as he drilled the NSM into ranks and marched them through the woods. Schoep is very personable and likable and its clear why he is in charge of the organization as well.

Rally day started with the NSM meeting at the Newport News hotel. About fifty NSM members, most of them in uniform, gathered that morning, and an impromptu demonstration was held on the streets near I-64, with flags waving and people stopping to take photographs and collect literature. As I told the press, overall, I’d estimate that about two dozen members of the public, most them gathered from street corner activism that morning, ended up joining the demonstration. I can remember several cars of people in particular who stopped because they wanted to join – one containing two heavily tattooed people who ended up marching with us, another a minivan with a soccer mom who told us how her father had been a Nazi, and who had asked her two daughters to come and pose for pictures with us. The street activism that morning, in terms of meeting the public and building support, was almost more fulfilling than the rally itself.

It took several hours for people to gather and there were some minor logistical problems – more water had to be purchase (as we were to find there, it didn’t matter, as the police wouldn’t allow it), and the car caravan had needed a bit more planning, but these things are inherent difficulties in any big movement of people. A bigger problem emerged when we arrived at the rally site – our supporters had begun arriving at noon, but we arrived at 12:30, and the police had been turning everyone away from the rally site. In fact, our caravan was also turned away from the rally site, and we had to amusingly pull a U-turn and come back after the police realized who we were. I’d estimate our rally lost about five or six carloads of people – how many we recouped I’m not sure – based upon that logistical error.

We parked on Surrender Field. We weren’t allowed to use it for a rally, but we were allowed to use it as a parking lot – a bit of irony that didn’t escape us. We wanted to take several coolers full of water and our sound equipment to the rally site, but police were not allowing the sound equipment to go there until 1 PM, and were not allowing the coolers of water at all. They also wouldn’t allow a car to take Major Hoff, who is 70 and not up to the lengthy march to the rally site, to take him down there, so Major Hoff had to be physically carried to the rally – something which even met with the objections of police officers, who realized that having an elderly man forced marching through the heat was an unreasonable burden.

The police photographed everyone and their cars – which struck me as a potentially illegal intimidation tactic. As has been argued before the courts before, if police activity is invasive and tends to have the effect of intimidating someone into not expressing their right of free speech, then it is not permissible, and I certainly felt the photographing was conducted in an unnecessarily intimidating and intrusive way. During and after the rally is where my complaints as to police conduct emerge; prior to that I had no complaints.

Once everyone had gathered – and some of the groups which were expected to participate, such as the Keystone State Skinheads, simply didn’t show up – we marched to the rally site, which took about thirty minutes. There were about 120 when we started and 150 when we arrived and the first group got through the metal detectors. Just passing through the metal detectors took quite a bit of time, and there was an argument with the police over the location of the sound equipment, which took away about twenty minutes from the rally time.

Commander Schoep ordered the speaker moved towards the edge of the rally site so the general public could hear it. A police lieutenant whose name I didn’t catch told him that he could not place the speakers there or the police would be “forced” to attack our rally. The lieutenant claimed that Virginia did not permit someone to use sound amplication equipment to “disturb” anyone outside a permitted area, and that he and his officers were prepared to be “disturbed” bit it. At this point I mentioned that I didn’t think a police officer could meet the legal definition of a “disturbed person” under the law, as there was a case on this regarding disorderly conduct where the Court found that a person who had repeatedly shouted obscenities during a protest at a particular police officer was not found to have acted “disorderly”, insofar as “disturbing” the officer, because a police officer, because their training and discipline, could never be reasonably expected to be “disturbed” by such behavior – insofar as it would, say, cause the police officer to imminently commit a crime (which was the definition of that particular disorderly conduct statute). That upset the lieutenant a bit and he backed off and started talking about “disturbing” the counter demonstrators. It was clear he was talking out of his ass and just giving us a hard time, but we accommodated him and ate up twenty minutes moving sound equipment back and forth.

The first thing that I noticed when I got to the rally site was the virtual non-existence of any counter demonstration. I don’t what counter demonstration CNN saw or the mass media saw, but I didn’t see much of anything. The counter demonstrators were so far away that no one could hear them, you couldn’t make out their faces, and even with a camera on five times zoom you couldn’t read any of their protest signs. There were about twenty to thirty communists with fluorescent signs marching in a circle on our left – I discovered that if you went to the edge of the rally, leaned over the fence, and tried real hard, you could make out Progressive Labor Party slogans being shouted. PLP had apparently made a large fluorescent banner with big letters, but the colors were such that you just couldn’t read it (and I tried)/ The main body of the counter demonstrators, who were waving Zionist flags (the only thing we could see at that distance) avoided the commies like the plague, and apparently spent most of their time dancing a seder. I can’t imagine there were more than eighty to one hundred of the Jews for Jesus demonstrators. As I pointed out to all of the press – including CNN, the Jews had a “disappointing turnout” and were quite a bit outnumbered by us.

The second thing I noticed about the rally was that it was being held in a field with no shade in the hot sun. This seemed to thin the numbers of the counter demonstrators during the event, with Sergeant Chris Drake noting during his remarks that “they spent forty years in the desert but can’t take two hours in the hot sun”. The police did not allow an appropriate level of water into our event – and I presume the counter demonstration as well, which struck me as the largest failing by the police department. Everyone was allowed to bring in one bottle of water, but one bottle was insufficient, and since many people had assumed we were bringing in coolers and didn’t know they had to bring their own, not everyone had brought their one bottle, and a general thirst developed as the rally neared its end.

The press appeared in one big herd, escorted by police and from what I could tell from talking to them, had almost no access to any of the events. I had to rearrange everyone a bit so the cameramen at the scene could get a clear few of the speaker’s podium – the press was kept at the far end of the demonstration, 100 yards away from the speakers. I did come over to talk to them, but the Commander caught up pretty quickly and gave the bulk of the interviews, along with Professor Pluss. Both Schoep and Pluss got pissed taking to the press, though, and end up walking away, at which point I sorta stood around and finished things off. Schoep just got sick of them, and I can understand that. After ten years of answering the same inane questions at every event, he just decided they weren’t worth his time. I don’t know what got Pluss riled, but someone got under his skin, so I just suggested he take a break and not let them get to him.

I gave a few interviews -- though I didn’t talk to CNN at all and don’t know why they are quoting me. I have not yet read most of the news coverage, so I can’t comment on its accuracy, but I expect to see the standard garbage. I mean, this was a really well done event – the most peaceful and orderly I’ve ever attended, with almost no anti-fascist or Jewish presence at all – and yet the press seems completely unable to make their stories fit the facts. Just the claim that the white demonstrators were outnumbered is so questionable and out of touch with reality that I wonder who they think their fooling (but yet, I know that its everyone who didn’t actually see the event).

In fact, the general thrust of my interviews was this – There were logistical problems with the rally that caused us to have less numbers than we had wanted, but our turnout was still excellent, particularly when compared with the Jewish rally, which seemed to have had an “extremely disappointing” turnout. I remarked on how nice it was not to be outnumbered for a change. I said that I believed the significance of the rally was that the National Socialist Movement had picked up the momentum that national socialism in America had lost when the National Alliance had splintered, and that these rallies were establishing the NSM as the leading national socialist group in the United States.

I noted that the NSM was not a hate group, because how could any movement struggling to create positive social change and better the lot of the people of the world be considered “hateful”. I stressed that the NSM did not advocate the violent overthrow of the government, or violence at all, and that, following the path of Adolf Hitler, and in contrast to Jewish Bolshevism, we sought peaceful but revolutionary change in our decadent American society. I also discussed the collective nature of human existence, the transcendent existence of racial and cultural groupings, the need of the individual to participate in such groupings, and how the social problems of modernism came from the lack of participation in those collective wholes that give life greater meaning.

When asked “Why the Jews?” I pointed out that the Jews are the people who are attempting to destroy the cultural-collective wholes, and who are responsible, more concretely, for war – and I went into great detail about how the Jews were behind the current wars for the Zionist Entity in Palestine – for communism, for the murder of tens of millions during the twentieth century, and for the general attack on traditional society that is at the root of poverty, crime, drug addiction and general misery. One young girl reporting from the Virginian-Pilot was certainly on the verge of an existential crisis, if not tears, after talking to me for about five minutes.

When the rally ended the behavior of the police began to degrade. We were ordered to quickly vacate the parking area, and told that the NSM would not be permitted to gather their sound equipment until we did. This was rather foolish on behalf of the police, since it meant the the leadership of the NSM had to stay behind to clean up while the supporters, who were all moving en masse to an after party, were left leaderless to travel there on their own.

Leaving a group of a hundred or more people without leadership is asking for trouble. I think the police presumed people would disperse. What resulted, instead, was a series of incidents forty some miles away in Portsmouth.

I don’t know who picked the restaurant for the after party, but it was a fiasco, and I’ve heard it’s a fiasco the NSM has had before. First, the restaurant in Portsmouth is 42 miles away from the rally site, and the directions were terrible – about half the people headed there got lost, including me. Second, the restaurant, I was told, had already been reserved by another party and couldn’t meet the capacity of the people we had with us. Third, there was a caravan of about thirty units of police which kept appearing where ever we went, and it was scaring the restauranters into asking us to leave. The result was continuing conflict between our large group of hungry and beer-wanting skinheads and national socialists, the police, and various restaurant owners.

When I arrived in Portsmouth there were thirty units of police and about seventy or so of our supporters standing on a street corner, with much of the public gawking at them, and more than a few niggers standing around looking something between resentful, angry, and scared. After the Commander and the Chairman arrived, we were able to formulate a plan, which was for everyone to meet with their cars off the main street about a block away, and then move in a caravan north and west on the highway until the lead car found a restaurant. There was then a minor confrontation about a block away as some tourists, being stupid, began taking pictures of our supporters and apparently exchanged some unpleasant words with them. More police were called, but we got everyone together and started moving.

Whoever had been assigned to pick a restaurant then decided that a Wendy’s in a black neighborhood qualified as a good place for 100 skinheads to eat. I missed the sudden turn off of the highway, and when I got there people were again standing outside en masse because they had gone into the Wendy’s seen that all of the service staff was black, and decided not to eat there.

Finally, a state trooper pointed out that Ruby Tuesday’s was a block down the street, and we all moved down there, losing a few cars in frustration on the way. Ruby Tuesday’s finally accommodated us, and it seemed everything was settled, until I heard there were confrontations between our supporters and police in the parking lot. When I got outside, about five cars of people were leaving. When I inquired why, I was told that the police had decided to “shave a few of us off” to make us easier to manage. When I suggested that was illegal, and when the manager of Ruby Tuesdays came out to protest the police driving off his customers and suggest that they didn’t have a right to do it, the police backpedaled and said everyone could stay – though at that point the folk leaving were so alienated that they just left. The police then gave us this big bullshit explanation of how they had “the Crips and the Bloods” in Portsmouth and that some “Tyrone” might go to “the hood” and decide to come back and attack us at the restaurant – a bunch of crap, in my opinion. In fact, the more of us there were – and there were still sixty or so of us even after several cars had left – the less likely it seems that some nigger gangsta would want to fight with us. If anything, the blacks we encountered, even the “thug life” ones, were intimidated, not confrontational.

Anyways, we got through dinner, I had a nice talk with several NSM leaders – Taylor Bowlers, Chairman Herrington and the NSM woman’s division leader, whose name I didn’t catch – and I headed back to my hotel, packed up, and drove home until 1 AM. I did give VNN’s Craig Cobb a ride back to Williamsburg (where I stayed, being smart enough to avoid the black areas of Southeast Virginia) and had a nice hour or so long conversation with him as we went.

All in all, I was quite impressed with the National Socialist Movement’s event, and I’ve sent in my application to enlist – the first time I’ve joined a group in a long time. The rally was professionally done, the security was excellent, there was no disruption of the event by anti-fascists, dozens of people were made interested in the NSM and the media gave it quite a bit of attention – meaning all goals were achieved.

If every white rally went this smoothly, these things would be much bigger affairs, because people would feel safe bringing their children and family to attend. I know those non-affiliated citizens who came all expressed enjoyment of the event, and I was quite impressed all around.

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Pennsylvania_Dutch

2005-06-26 23:08 | User Profile

Oye Vey...Jerry Springer Nazi's...

Bardamu

2005-06-27 01:03 | User Profile

The chances of this ever becoming a mass movement is nil. Better for Americans to be encouraged to reach down into their own traditions and throw off the tyranny of "multiculturalism and diversity". At least that has a fighting chance.

Brian Hassett

2005-06-27 12:14 | User Profile

I'm so not impressed. Until WNs follows Nick Griffins advice from his speech at the 2005 EURO conference, that "movement" is going nowhere. Let's stop catering to the 1/10 of 1% with their swastika fetish and build a party that most Americans can support.

Hugh Lincoln

2005-06-27 21:25 | User Profile

Normal white people want to stay very, very far away from shaven heads and swastikas. But they also want to stay very, very far away from blacks and Hispanics. We need to catch them when they're running away from the latter.

MistWraith

2005-06-29 22:28 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Normal white people want to stay very, very far away from shaven heads and swastikas. But they also want to stay very, very far away from blacks and Hispanics. We need to catch them when they're running away from the latter.[/QUOTE]Which is why we need to behave like normal white people, and let the normals who aren't aware of us yet know that people like us exist, and we can be normal. There's a time and place for the shaven heads and swastikas, mind you. The problem is, the shaven heads and swastika crowd make the mistake of thinking they can appeal to every Joe and Jane with their image and "seig heiling" and "Jew this, Jew that." The Joes and Janes want someone rational, who can relate to them, to look up to.

The way some in this "movement" talk, you'd think that everyone who isn't us is brainwashed. Truth is, most people act on their nature.Most white people want to marry other whites and have white children. Most white people do not want to live in integrated neighborhoods. Most white people oppose illegal immigration. This tells me that the "brainwashing" is most often an alarmist reaction, overrated to say the least. It's our sorry excuses for leaders that aren't acting on the interests of the people, and sure enough, the people are too into their comfort zones to try to do anything about it. The reality is that no matter what, most people don't want to lose their comfort and security.

Many in this "movement" complain that there are no numbers, no people interested, yet complain about the normal people. But what is anyone doing about that? The fact is, we do need to appeal to the normal people. And shouting "Jew this," "race traitor that," isn't going to increase our numbers. You have to remember that these people have no idea what the Jewish problem is yet, they don't understand the blame games, and I'm sure you can imagine the ideas they may have about all things pro-White. Again, we have to appear to these people as someone they can relate to and look up to. How many people can relate to the National Socialist movement, with all the negativity attached to NS? People can relate to David Duke, National Vanguard and the Stroms, etc. Anyone at the 2005 Euro Conference who observed them at work and play can vouch that they are pretty normal people themselves.

A good army attacks from the sides. Kill the vulnerable points. Attack issues first that most white people care about. Illegal immigration will make a big hit. Let's do it.

Hugh Lincoln

2005-06-29 22:46 | User Profile

[QUOTE=MistWraith]Which is why we need to behave like normal white people, and let the normals who aren't aware of us yet know that people like us exist, and we can be normal. There's a time and place for the shaven heads and swastikas, mind you. The problem is, the shaven heads and swastika crowd make the mistake of thinking they can appeal to every Joe and Jane with their image and "seig heiling" and "Jew this, Jew that." The Joes and Janes want someone rational, who can relate to them, to look up to.

The way some in this "movement" talk, you'd think that everyone who isn't us is brainwashed. Truth is, most people act on their nature.Most white people want to marry other whites and have white children. Most white people do not want to live in integrated neighborhoods. Most white people oppose illegal immigration. This tells me that the "brainwashing" is most often an alarmist reaction, overrated to say the least. It's our sorry excuses for leaders that aren't acting on the interests of the people, and sure enough, the people are too into their comfort zones to try to do anything about it. The reality is that no matter what, most people don't want to lose their comfort and security.

Many in this "movement" complain that there are no numbers, no people interested, yet complain about the normal people. But what is anyone doing about that? The fact is, we do need to appeal to the normal people. And shouting "Jew this," "race traitor that," isn't going to increase our numbers. You have to remember that these people have no idea what the Jewish problem is yet, they don't understand the blame games, and I'm sure you can imagine the ideas they may have about all things pro-White. Again, we have to appear to these people as someone they can relate to and look up to. How many people can relate to the National Socialist movement, with all the negativity attached to NS? People can relate to David Duke, National Vanguard and the Stroms, etc. Anyone at the 2005 Euro Conference who observed them at work and play can vouch that they are pretty normal people themselves.

A good army attacks from the sides. Kill the vulnerable points. Attack issues first that most white people care about. Illegal immigration will make a big hit. Let's do it.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. This is a frequent discussion for us, and I guess my position is that it's not altogether resolvable. There are two fantastically powerful opposing forces: the need for normalcy v. the 'abnormalcy' of what we're saying (i.e., that racial groups are different and thus not compatible). On the one hand, we cannot simply keep bleating about "family values" or "law and order" and expect to prevail. They've tried that. In my view, we have to use the W word. On the other, you will freak people out by doing that, guaranteed. You don't even need to mention David Duke. But it can be spun smart.

I think many of us need to be firmly but gently pushing our people out of their comfort zones.

MistWraith

2005-06-30 00:40 | User Profile

Yikes, why can't I edit? I was having a conversation with someone about vouching for someone's character at the same time I was writing this, and something I said got jumbled up with a couple of sentences in this post. Looks like my multi-tasking skills haven't been their best lately. Well, if the post at least looks like it makes sense, more power to me.

Actually, I can't edit my posts or do anything with my profile, why am I having this problem?

starr

2005-06-30 02:00 | User Profile

[QUOTE]

Which is why we need to behave like normal white people, and let the normals who aren't aware of us yet know that people like us exist, and we can be normal. There's a time and place for the shaven heads and swastikas, mind you. The problem is, the shaven heads and swastika crowd make the mistake of thinking they can appeal to every Joe and Jane with their image and "seig heiling" and "Jew this, Jew that." The Joes and Janes want someone rational, who can relate to them, to look up to.

[/QUOTE]Very true. It seems a lot of people like that just want to rattle their own chain. They don't seem to know(or maybe care,honestly) that Joe and Jane are going to run as far away as possible. And of course, since these are the type of people that get shown on tv,etc for obvious reasons, that is what Jane and Joe think we are all like. The funny thing is that they will bitch about the jews constantly, and they don't seem to realize how much the jews need people exactly like them.

G.Larson

2005-06-30 05:25 | User Profile

The NSM is great! Where else could I engage in my nazi Mr Rogers dress up fetish? While justifying it as fighting for my race? I tried it when I was a trekkie but it got me kicked out of klingon school, when I started sieg heiling in klingon, damn jews keeping me down!

Kevin_O'Keeffe

2005-06-30 06:20 | User Profile

[QUOTE=starr]It seems a lot of people like that just want to rattle their own chain. They don't seem to know(or maybe care,honestly) that Joe and Jane are going to run as far away as possible. And of course, since these are the type of people that get shown on tv,etc for obvious reasons, that is what Jane and Joe think we are all like. The funny thing is that they will bitch about the jews constantly, and they don't seem to realize how much the jews need people exactly like them.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but this is a tad rich coming from someone with a Klan rally avatar....

starr

2005-06-30 06:25 | User Profile

[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]No offense, but this is a tad rich coming from someone with a Klan rally avatar....[/QUOTE] yeah, I know. LOL. I thought someone might say something like that.