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Thread ID: 18765 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-06-22
2005-06-22 15:50 | User Profile
[color=Navy]Soy contains phytoestrogens, which imitate estrogen in the human body. Soy intake can depress testosterone levels, and is especially dangerous for boys during adolescence. Soy has also been linked to infertility. Soy is pushed as 'healthy' for two main reasons: 1. Ideological -- according to the vegan crowd, it isn't meat, so therefore it must be good for you. 2. Economic -- Archer Daniels Midland and Monsanto like it because it is very cheap to produce, and they can use it in everything. Don't believe the hype folks. If you're drinking soy milk and eating tofu, because you think they are healthy, think again. You'd be much better off with a juicy steak and a glass of wine. This information has been circulating among whole-foods and health advocates for a few years, but it is just now starting to reach the medical establishment.[/color]
[size=3]Study: Soya threat to fertility[/size] [right][left]Scientists found genistein could cause sperms to "burn out."[/left] [/right]
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (Reuters) -- A plant chemical found in soya, tofu and legumes could potentially damage sperm and affect male fertility, a British researcher said on Wednesday.
Professor Lynn Fraser, of King's College London has shown that genistein, which can mimic the effect of the female hormone oestrogen, affects sperm in mice.
But it seems to have an even stronger impact on human sperm.
In laboratory tests, Fraser found that small amounts of the chemical can cause human sperm to "burn out" and lose fertility.
"Human sperm proved to be even more responsive than mouse sperm to genistein," Fraser told a fertility meeting.
She added that if women eat soya and other foods high in genistein it might have a bigger impact on male fertility because the chemical is likely to affect sperm when it is in the female preparing to fertilize an egg.
"Maternal exposure to the compounds is probably more important than paternal exposure," Fraser explained.
Although it is very preliminary research, Fraser speculated that the findings could have an impact on women trying to conceive.
"On the basis of what we have seen, it might be a practical thing to do if you are in the habit of eating lots of soya-based products to restrict your diet for a short time over the window of ovulation," she told the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology meeting.
Professor Richard Sharpe, of Edinburgh University in Scotland, described the research as interesting and said the results were surprising.
"It could of course have human health/fertility implications as indicated by the authors," he said in a statement.
But Sharpe added that oriental societies that traditionally eat a soya-rich diet show no signs of reduced fertility that he is aware of.
The effects on sperm in the laboratory may also not be directly related to what may happens in real life.
Dr Allan Pacey, of the University of Sheffield in England, said it is worrying if these compounds affect mature sperm.
"It's early days, but clearly if what happens in the laboratory also occurs in the woman's fallopian tube as the sperm make their way to the egg, then there would be the potential for fertilization to fail," he explained.
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2005-06-22 20:18 | User Profile
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2005-06-23 00:55 | User Profile
Soy sucks; at my school, it is one of the 'forbidden foods' for athletes during their competitive season.
2005-06-23 14:42 | User Profile
One of the major problems with soy is that it has become almost impossible to avoid. Virtually any time a product lists 'vegetable oil' as an ingredient, it means soybean oil. Chocolate and ice cream often contain lecithin, which is often made from soy. Textured vegetable protein is soy. Margarine and butter substitutes are made from soy. Most store-bought baked goods contain soy. Worcestershire sauce often contains soy. Peanut butter has soybean oil added. Even the words 'flavorings,' 'natural flavoring,' 'vegetable broth,' and 'vegetable starches' can mean soy.
2005-06-23 14:52 | User Profile
Y'all work for the dairy industry?
2005-06-23 15:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Y'all work for the dairy industry?[/QUOTE] Look into soy, Tex. Public health is being sacrificed to profits.
2005-06-23 15:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Look into soy, Tex. Public health is being sacrificed to profits.[/QUOTE]
That's really nothing new, Q. Any problems with soy would be a drop of water compared to the ocean of problems that is cow's milk.
Then there's sugar, aspartame, poultry, Splenda, child immunizations....
2005-06-23 15:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]That's really nothing new, Q. Any problems with soy would be a drop of water compared to the ocean of problems that is cow's milk.
Then there's sugar, aspartame, poultry, Splenda, child immunizations....[/QUOTE] I know it's not new. What is new is the way it is being forced into the food supply, and the way something positively harmful is being spun as something healthy. I could easily go a day without consuming any sugar, aspartame, poultry, or Splenda. Avoiding soy is much more difficult. Plus, soy has many other problems besides causing infertility. Did you look at mwdallas' link?
2005-06-23 20:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I know it's not new. What is new is the way it is being forced into the food supply, and the way something positively harmful is being spun as something healthy. I could easily go a day without consuming any sugar, aspartame, poultry, or Splenda. Avoiding soy is much more difficult. Plus, soy has many other problems besides causing infertility. Did you look at mwdallas' link?[/QUOTE] Pure grain alcohol and rain water. We can return to purity of essence, if we make the sacrifice. :cowboy:
2005-06-24 02:28 | User Profile
But Sharpe added that oriental societies that traditionally eat a soya-rich diet show no signs of reduced fertility that he is aware of."
This seems like yet another health scare to me. The fact that they genetically modify crops like soya these days I find far more disconcerting.
2005-06-24 15:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gregz]But Sharpe added that oriental societies that traditionally eat a soya-rich diet show no signs of reduced fertility that he is aware of."
This seems like yet another health scare to me. The fact that they genetically modify crops like soya these days I find far more disconcerting.[/QUOTE] Oriental societies eat fermented soy products like miso, and precipitated soy products, like tofu. Both of these processes (especially fermentation) remove some of the harmful substances from soy. They do not use soybean oil, or soy formula, or soy 'milk' in their diets. If you are truly curious about this, more information can be found here -- [url="http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html"]http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html[/url]
2005-06-24 20:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Oriental societies eat fermented soy products like miso, and precipitated soy products, like tofu. Both of these processes (especially fermentation) remove some of the harmful substances from soy. [/QUOTE] Exactly.
2005-06-28 02:18 | User Profile
the facts of soy are true, but even to a lesser extent, than marijuana. Orientals are notoriously infertile and impotent. I bet I could eat soy every day for 10 years and still have some jammies swimming around LOL.
2005-07-06 06:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]the facts of soy are true, but even to a lesser extent, than marijuana. Orientals are notoriously infertile and impotent. I bet I could eat soy every day for 10 years and still have some jammies swimming around LOL.[/QUOTE] So why are there so many of them(orientals, not your jammies :blush:?
2005-07-08 00:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]So why are there so many of them(orientals, not your jammies :blush:?[/QUOTE] Practice, practice, practice. :whstl:
2005-07-16 01:29 | User Profile
Soy has also been linked to brain atrophy. The data seem robust, too. Since I first read about it, I have strictly avoided soy. Also worth avoiding: hydrogenated fat. I actually had a dream several years ago: the FDA had new labelling rules -- hydrogenated oils had to be listed as "shit fat".
2005-07-26 04:05 | User Profile
| **[size=6]FYI: Soy...kills testicular cells[/size]** **[size=7][color=darkred]SOY, HOMOSEXUALITY, AND SEXUAL IDENTITY DISORDER[/color][/size] ** **[size=4][color=blue]"THE DEBATE"[/color][/size] ** **Are the effects of the use of soy in our food industry causing humans to ** **have sexual problems to include sexual identity disorder, homosexuality, ** **sexual dysfunctions and physical deformities to the human reproductive ** **system? testosterone level continue to fall in men, yet young girls are ** **going into puberty as young as 6 to 8 years old. Boys seem to be feminized, ** **while girls are being super sexed. why is it that the governments and their ** **agencies, corporate food producers, and pharmaceutical companies ignoring ** **the data? Is there an agenda? What agenda would that be? Is it all about ** **money? Control? Or population control? ** **[size=4][color=blue]Soy: The Poison Seed[/color][/size] ** **By: William Wong N.D., Ph.D., and Member World Sports Medicine Hall of Fame ** **This piece will be short and very much to the point. As Americas largest ** **cash crop soy is being touted as having a myriad of health benefits. Far ** **from! Soy is poison, period! All paid for opinion to the contrary. ** **[size=4][color=blue]What's bad about soy?[/color][/size] ** **Contains Isoflavones (Genistein and Daidzein). In soy the isoflavones are ** **built in insecticides. If they kill bugs are they good for humans? ** **Isoflavones are estrogen like substances which have the same effect as the ** **bodies estrogen. Cancer comes from having too much estrogen. Irritability ** **and mood swings, fat gain from the waist down, fibrocystic breast disease ** **uterine fibromas are all associated with estrogen dominance. Instead of ** **helping prevent the bad effects of environmental or natural estrogen ** **dominance soy isoflavones are now known to increase the bad effect of ** **estradiol and estrone the two major bad guys of the estrogen family. ** **(1,2,3). ** **Kills testicular tissue. In men it permanently reduces testicular function ** **and lowers Lutinizing Hormone production. LH is what signals your testicles ** **to work. This increases the probability of estrogen dominance in men with ** **its hair loss, swollen and cancerous prostates. (4,5). Male children fed soy ** **formulas and soy products may not ever get to like girls. Dorris Rapp MD, ** **the worlds leading pediatric allergist, asserts that environmental and food ** **estrogens are responsible for the increase in male homosexuality and the ** **worldwide reduction in male fertility. (6). ** **Isoflavones decrease thyroid hormone production. This can stunt children's ** **growth and make the rest of us tired and fat. (7,8,9). ** **Female children fed the estrogens in soy formula and products hit puberty ** **very very early sometimes as young as age 6 to 8! (10). ** **Pregnant women eating soy products may effect the sexual differentiation of ** **their children. Studies show malformations of the reproductive tract or ** **offspring born with both male and female sexual organs. (11). ** **Isoflavones decrease GOOD cholesterol (HDL). (12,13). ** **Soy contains Phytin, which takes essential minerals such as iron, zinc, ** **magnesium etc. out of the body before they can be absorbed. Also soy ** **contains Trypsin inhibitors block this vital anti cancer enzyme, anti ** **fibrosis enzyme. (14). ** **A 7000 man 30 year epidemiological study done in Hawaii shows soy is ** **connected with a higher rate of Vascular Dementia (Alzheimer's disease). ** **(15,16). ** **Any opinions to contradict the facts noted above have been paid for by the ** **Agribusiness giants Monsanto and Archer Daniels Midland. Once public ** **knowledge of their manipulation of public opinion and of the FDA becomes ** **widely known, expect monster class action lawsuits against these folks. ** **They'll deserve it in spades! ** **Be well and God bless, ** **Dr. William Wong ** **References: ** **1. Casanova, M., et al.; Developmental effects of dietary phytoestrogens ** **in Sprague -Dawley rats and interactions of genistein and daidzein with rat ** **estrogen receptors alpha and beta in vitro. Toxicol Sci 1999, Oct.; 51 (2): ** **236-44.[/size] ** **2. Santell, L., et al.: Dietary genistein exerts estrogenic effects upon ** **the uterus, mammary gland and the hypothalamic / pituitary axis in rats. J. ** **Nutr 1997 Feb.;127 (2): 263-9. ** **3. Harrison, R.M., et al.; Effect of genistein on steroid hormone ** **production in the pregnant rhesus monkey. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 1999 Oct.; ** **222(1): 78-84. ** **4. Nagata, C., et al.; Inverse association of soy product intake with ** **serum androgen and estrogen in Japanese men. Nut Cancer 2000; 36(1): 14-8. ** **5. Zhong, et al.; Effects of dietary supplement of soy protein isolate ** **and low fat diet on prostate cancer. FASEB J 2000; 14(4): a531.11. ** **6. Rapp, Dorris J., Is This Your Child's World. Bantam Books 1996. Page ** **501. ** **7. Divi, R. L., Chang, H.C. and Doerge, D.R.; Identification, ** **characterization and mechanisms of anti-thyroid activity of isoflavones from ** **soybeans. Biochem Pharmacol 54:1087-1096, 1997. ** **8. Fort, P., Moses, N., Fasano, M. Goldberg, T. and Lifshitz, F.; Breast ** **and soy formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune ** **disease in children. J Am Coll Nutr 9:164-165, 1990. ** **9. Setchell, K. D. R., Zimmer-Nechemias, L., Cai, J. and Heubi, J.E.; ** **Exposure of infants to phytoestrogens from soy based infant formula. Lancet ** **350:23-27, 1997. ** **10. Irvine, C.H.G., Fitzpatrick, M.G. and Alexander, S.L.; Phytoestrogens ** **in soy based infant foods: Concentrations, daily intake and possible ** **biological effects. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 217:247-253, 1998. ** **11. Levy, J.R., Faber, F.A., Ayyash, L. and Hughes, C.L.; The effect of ** **prenatal exposure to phytoestrogens genistein on sexual differentiation in ** **rats. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 208:60-66, 1995. ** **12. Ashton, E., Ball, M.; Effects of soy as tofu vs. meat on lipoprotein ** **concentrations. Eur J Clin Nutr 200 Jan; 54(1):14-9. ** **13. Madani, S., et al.: Dietary protein level and origin (casein and ** **highly purified soybean protein) ** **affect hepatic storage, plasma lipid transport, and antioxidative ** **defense status in the rat. Nutrition 2000 May;16(5):368-375. ** **14. Leiner, I.; The Intraperiotoneal toxicity of concentrations of the ** **soybean trypsin inhibitor. J Biol Chem 193:183 (1951). ** **15. White, L., Petrovitch, H., Ross, G.W. and Masaki, K.H.: Association of ** **mid life consumption of tofu with late life cognitive impairment and ** **dementia: The Honolulu-Asia Anti Aging Study, The Neurobiol of Aging 17 ** **(suppl. 4):S121, 1996a. ** **16. White, L, Petrovitch, H., Ross, G.W., Masaki, K.H., Abbot, R.D., Teng, ** **E.L., Rodriguez, B.L., Blanchette, P.L., Havlik, R.J., Wergowske, G., Chiu, ** **D., Foley, D.J., Murdaugh, C. and Curb, J.D.; Prevalence of dementia in ** **older Japanese-American men in Hawaii. JAMA 276:955-960, 1996b ** **17. ** | ||