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2005-06-19 12:21 | User Profile
Yahoo! News Bush says US is in Iraq because of attacks on US
Sat Jun 18, 2005
President George W. Bush defended the war in Iraq, telling Americans the United States was forced into war because of the September 11 terror strikes.
Bush also resisted calls for him to set a timetable for the return of thousands of US troops deployed in Iraq, saying Iraqis must be able to defend their own country before US soldiers can be pulled out.
"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.
Bush began a public relations offensive to defend the war as his approval rating has dropped well below 50 percent with Americans expressing skepticism about the invasion.
The centerpiece of the campaign will be a speech on June 28, exactly one year after the US-led coalition officially handed over sovereignty to a hand-picked Iraqi provisional government.
"Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a central front in the war on terror," said the president.
"These foreign terrorists violently oppose the rise of a free and democratic Iraq, because they know that when we replace despair and hatred with liberty and hope, they lose their recruiting grounds for terror," he argued.
"Our troops are fighting these terrorists in Iraq so you will not have to face them here at home."
Bush, who was to welcome Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari for his first visit to the White House on Friday, ruled out any hard and fast timetable for withdrawing the 130,000 US soldiers currently deployed in Iraq and made it clear that it will not be anytime soon.
Terrorists "know there is no room for them in a free and democratic Middle East, so the terrorists and insurgents are trying to get us to retreat," he said.
"Their goal is to get us to leave before Iraqis have had a chance to show the region what a government that is elected and truly accountable to its citizens can do for its people."
A June 13 USA Today poll showed that almost six of 10 Americans, 59 percent, want a full or partial pullout of US troops from Iraq.
In a New York Times/CBS News poll among 1,111 adults, Bush's approval rating dropped to 42 percent while 59 percent disapproved of his handling of Iraq.
Lawmakers from both parties, opposition Democrats and Bush's own Republicans, have called for a time frame for withdrawing from Iraq. More than 1,700 US soldiers have been killed there since US and British troops invaded in March 2003.
But the Bush administration has insisted that Iraqi troops must be ready to defend their own country before US troops can return to the United States.
"I am confident that Iraqis will continue to defy the skeptics as they build a new Iraq that represents the diversity of their nation and assumes greater responsibility for their own security," Bush said. "And when they do, our troops can come home with the honor they have earned."
"This mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight. We're fighting a ruthless enemy that relishes the killing of innocent men, women, and children," he said.
"By making their stand in Iraq, the terrorists have made Iraq a vital test for the future security of our country and the free world. We will settle for nothing less than victory."
Copyright é 2005 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse. Copyright é 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050618/ts_alt_afp/usiraqbushattacks_050618171549[/url] ============================= Assuming this story is reported in context:
"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "there he goes again." Then again, as stupid and arrogant as this man is he may very well believe this nonsense. Or he is a damnable liar. The rationals for this war are always in a state of "creative destruction", depending on the immediate need of the Administration. One minute it is for "weapons of mass destruction", the next minute, "democracy", and so forth. In this case it appears the Bush is trying to get his base of Neocons and hard core "christian zionuts" stirred up due to folks starting to sour on this modern day (Athenian) Syracuse Expedition.
"Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a central front in the war on terror," said the president.
Yes, they have, now that Saddam and his security forces are gone. There wasn't any "terrorism" prior Bush sticking his nose into Iraq. Saddam's support of the Intifada against Israel with death benefits wasn't the U.S.'s problem.
"I am confident that Iraqis will continue to defy the skeptics as they build a new Iraq that represents the diversity of their nation and assumes greater responsibility for their own security," Bush said.
It is that "diversity" that threatens to tear that country apart, Dumbya. And to think, with Bush's amnesty to illegals he wants to set up a similar problem here in America. Heterogeneous nations made up of different races, cultures and languages can only be held together by bayonets, unless one group of the above is the dominate one in terms of overwhelming numbers. Maybe that is what he plans here.
2005-06-21 02:51 | User Profile
Forced? There's a revisionist position. I don't remember it that way.
[QUOTE]"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.[/QUOTE] UH, that was the Afghanistan War. Wasn't he there for the decision brief on that one???????????
The decision to go to Iraq was a high stakes gamble, no matter how you slice it. An attempt at a strategic coup de main.
There were other options, each with less than perfectly palatable outcomes, to include more years of the same old sanctions stuff that had been going on for 12 years. Hell, wasn't it 45 years of economic warfare that wore down the Soviet Union?
Economic pain takes a long time to work, and takes a UNITED effort.
I find these assertions amazing because of the implied assumption that anyone will buy them. :smoke:
Yahoo! News Bush says US is in Iraq because of attacks on US
Sat Jun 18, 2005
President George W. Bush defended the war in Iraq, telling Americans the United States was forced into war because of the September 11 terror strikes.
Bush also resisted calls for him to set a timetable for the return of thousands of US troops deployed in Iraq, saying Iraqis must be able to defend their own country before US soldiers can be pulled out.
"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.
Bush began a public relations offensive to defend the war as his approval rating has dropped well below 50 percent with Americans expressing skepticism about the invasion.
The centerpiece of the campaign will be a speech on June 28, exactly one year after the US-led coalition officially handed over sovereignty to a hand-picked Iraqi provisional government.
"Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a central front in the war on terror," said the president.
"These foreign terrorists violently oppose the rise of a free and democratic Iraq, because they know that when we replace despair and hatred with liberty and hope, they lose their recruiting grounds for terror," he argued.
"Our troops are fighting these terrorists in Iraq so you will not have to face them here at home."
Bush, who was to welcome Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari for his first visit to the White House on Friday, ruled out any hard and fast timetable for withdrawing the 130,000 US soldiers currently deployed in Iraq and made it clear that it will not be anytime soon.
Terrorists "know there is no room for them in a free and democratic Middle East, so the terrorists and insurgents are trying to get us to retreat," he said.
"Their goal is to get us to leave before Iraqis have had a chance to show the region what a government that is elected and truly accountable to its citizens can do for its people."
A June 13 USA Today poll showed that almost six of 10 Americans, 59 percent, want a full or partial pullout of US troops from Iraq.
In a New York Times/CBS News poll among 1,111 adults, Bush's approval rating dropped to 42 percent while 59 percent disapproved of his handling of Iraq.
Lawmakers from both parties, opposition Democrats and Bush's own Republicans, have called for a time frame for withdrawing from Iraq. More than 1,700 US soldiers have been killed there since US and British troops invaded in March 2003.
But the Bush administration has insisted that Iraqi troops must be ready to defend their own country before US troops can return to the United States.
"I am confident that Iraqis will continue to defy the skeptics as they build a new Iraq that represents the diversity of their nation and assumes greater responsibility for their own security," Bush said. "And when they do, our troops can come home with the honor they have earned."
"This mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight. We're fighting a ruthless enemy that relishes the killing of innocent men, women, and children," he said.
"By making their stand in Iraq, the terrorists have made Iraq a vital test for the future security of our country and the free world. We will settle for nothing less than victory."
Copyright é 2005 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse. Copyright é 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. [url="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050618/ts_alt_afp/usiraqbushattacks_050618171549"]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050618/ts_alt_afp/usiraqbushattacks_050618171549[/url] ============================= Assuming this story is reported in context:
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "there he goes again." Then again, as stupid and arrogant as this man is he may very well believe this nonsense. Or he is a damnable liar. The rationals for this war are always in a state of "creative destruction", depending on the immediate need of the Administration. One minute it is for "weapons of mass destruction", the next minute, "democracy", and so forth. In this case it appears the Bush is trying to get his base of Neocons and hard core "christian zionuts" stirred up due to folks starting to sour on this modern day (Athenian) Syracuse Expedition.
Yes, they have, now that Saddam and his security forces are gone. There wasn't any "terrorism" prior Bush sticking his nose into Iraq. Saddam's support of the Intifada against Israel with death benefits wasn't the U.S.'s problem.
It is that "diversity" that threatens to tear that country apart, Dumbya. And to think, with Bush's amnesty to illegals he wants to set up a similar problem here in America. Heterogeneous nations made up of different races, cultures and languages can only be held together by bayonets, unless one group of the above is the dominate one in terms of overwhelming numbers. Maybe that is what he plans here.[/QUOTE]
2005-06-21 16:39 | User Profile
The truly frightening thing is how may Americans believe the Bush lies.
So, we have a bunch of Saudi's hijack an airplane and fly it into two building killing thousands, and we go to war with Iraq? This war is a fake, the deaths are real, but it's a reflection of the oversized ego of a man with little intelligence. Bush will sacrifice thousands of lives, and he is still unable to put together a rational argument of why he did so. My suspicion is little Bush still believed Saddam was a threat to big Bush.
Bush tells us the enemy is trying to get us, but ignores our border with Mexico? In reality, how can we take this threat seriously if the man who is warning us doesn't seem to believe it himself. Of course, we can surmise there is something coming across the southern border which is of greater value than our national security. Hmmm what could that be. :pimp:
2005-06-21 16:49 | User Profile
Dubya's use of dope in his earlier years is showing its effects.
2005-06-21 17:31 | User Profile
The American War Of Aggravated Aggression Against The Iraqi People For The Benefit Of Greater Israel is simply the most disgraceful thing I've ever seen my country involved in. George W Bush is the most disgraceful character I've ever witnessed in the office of the POTUS. Also, the continued blathering about "democracy" as the de facto official religion of the NewWorldOrder is just about as sickening as the war itself.
2005-06-21 19:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE][QUOTE=Ron]The truly frightening this is how may Americans believe the Bush lies. [/QUOTE] Supposedly more and more people are starting not to believe these lies. But even if that is true of course, all that could change very quickly if the U.S is attacked again.
[QUOTE] Bush tells us the enemy is trying to get us, but ignores our border with Mexico? In reality, how can we take this threat seriously if the man who is warning us doesn't seem to believe it himself. Of course, we can surmise there is something coming across the southern border which is of greater value than our national security. Hmmm what could that be. :pimp: [/QUOTE] Yes, it is amazing isn't it? When they want to play upon the terrorist fear, we will hear these stories about possible muslim terrorists crossing the U.S/mexican border, and even the recent story about Islamic terrorists recruiting mexican gang-bangers or something to that effect, but when people like the minutemen pop up and try to do something about the illegal invasion, they are "vigilantes"
2005-06-22 13:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]Dubya's use of dope in his earlier years is showing its effects.[/QUOTE] I believe ther maybe a lot of truth to what you have said.
2005-06-22 15:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]The truly frightening thing is how may Americans believe the Bush lies.
So, we have a bunch of Saudi's hijack an airplane and fly it into two building killing thousands, and we go to war with Iraq? This war is a fake, the deaths are real, but it's a reflection of the oversized ego of a man with little intelligence. Bush will sacrifice thousands of lives, and he is still unable to put together a rational argument of why he did so. My suspicion is little Bush still believed Saddam was a threat to big Bush.
Bush tells us the enemy is trying to get us, but ignores our border with Mexico? In reality, how can we take this threat seriously if the man who is warning us doesn't seem to believe it himself. Of course, we can surmise there is something coming across the southern border which is of greater value than our national security. Hmmm what could that be. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
56% of American no longer believes Bushes lies and now he is and will stay in power by force the same way that the Zionist are keeping power in Palestine because of their weapons and not their courage. :wallbash: