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Thread ID: 18700 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-06-17
2005-06-17 20:41 | User Profile
Serious Question: How did a Black/African American from Philadelphia-New York City end up as the United Methodist Bishop of West Virginia?
I really don't want to embarrass any of my old friends & relatives whose family history is in the Methodist Episcopal Church South or the Methodist Protestant Church in West Virginia.
Please, don't respond unless you have some knowledge of the particulars...:bag:
2005-06-17 22:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]Please, don't respond unless you have some knowledge of the particulars...:bag:[/QUOTE]
How exclusivist of you, PD.
Seriously, sorry but I have no idea. I have a hard enough time trying to keep up with the ins and outs of my own LCMS.
2005-06-17 22:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]How exclusivist of you, PD.
Seriously, sorry but I have no idea. I have a hard enough time trying to keep up with the ins and outs of my own LCMS.[/QUOTE] Its not one of those things that you can just call someone up, and, ask 'em about it.
Hey, I hear you got a Philly 'groid representin' the Methodists in West Virginia...
2005-06-18 02:03 | User Profile
I am no expert on Methodism, but I am going to respond anyway. :lol: There is a certain type of "Peace and Justice" liberal mainline Protestant that likes Black people better than White people, although they are usually white. Long ago, Methodism began to attract political Leftists because of its early associations in bringing the Gospel to the poor. I don't think much of the theology of Wesley, but he did love the poor and care for them, in contrast to many of the clergy of his time. Well, these Leftist folks attracted to Methodism get rid of any remaining Christian orthodoxy in that communion and kept all the half-assed Leftism.
It would not surprise me if the Methodists had loose rules limiting its prospective Superintendants to the geographic areas in which they live and preach. American Methodism invented the whole "circuit rider" concept of pastoral care in rural areas, so I would suppose the traditional mobility of its pastors would be an important value to be retained.
2005-06-18 05:57 | User Profile
May I ask why it matters that the Bishop is Black? If he's a sincere Christian man, who gives a flying fish what race he is?
2005-06-18 09:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]May I ask why it matters that the Bishop is Black? If he's a sincere Christian man, who gives a flying fish what race he is?[/QUOTE]
Still trolling, wbb?
Why is Sunday the most segregated day of the week in America? Does it matter?
In a similar vein, I would be thrilled to know there exist sincere Christian black men, but that doesn't mean I want them dating my daughter. LIkewise, I am certain that good black fathers feel the exact same way about their daughters dating a white guy. The point is there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Despite the utopian dreams of do-gooders in authority who think they know what's better for you than you do yourself, the age old adage still holds true: Good fences make for good neighbors.
2005-06-18 10:00 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][B][I] - "In a similar vein, I would be thrilled to know there exist sincere Christian black men, but that doesn't mean I want them dating my daughter. LIkewise, I am certain that good black fathers feel the exact same way about their daughters dating a white guy."[/I][/B][/COLOR]
Amen to that. Freedom of association!
Petr
2005-06-18 22:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]I am no expert on Methodism, but I am going to respond anyway. :lol:[/QUOTE] Most folks vote with their feet...as in "White Flight". I'm afraid to ask the reaction of the rank & file Methodists either in attendence, participation, or in contributions.
2005-06-19 05:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Still trolling, wbb?
Why is Sunday the most segregated day of the week in America? Does it matter?
In a similar vein, I would be thrilled to know there exist sincere Christian black men, but that doesn't mean I want them dating my daughter. LIkewise, I am certain that good black fathers feel the exact same way about their daughters dating a white guy. The point is there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Despite the utopian dreams of do-gooders in authority who think they know what's better for you than you do yourself, the age old adage still holds true: Good fences make for good neighbors.[/QUOTE] To me personally,the question of interracial relationships is a thorny one. If I had a child who wanted to marry a White person, I'd up-front and honestly say I had my worries: the centuries have shown Whites IN GENERAL to be very unwilling to love Black people, and very willing to use Black people. From your point of view, I can understand you would have similar concerns-Malcolm X himself, who had dated a white womwn in his youth, remarked on the MUTUAL lack of respect many Black/White f***in' partners have for one another. If I had a child who was in a relationship w/ a white person and I KNEW FOR SURE IT WAS LOVE, that would be different. But worry not about your daughter, Sir. I am sure she's a lovely woman but I,myself, personally, am all about the sistas.
Now that we got all that out of the way, what correlation does the fact of a Black man ordained as a bishop have with the idea of his dating your daughter? And do you seriously doubt the existance of sincere Christian Black men?
2005-06-19 12:08 | User Profile
[img]http://www.umc.org/gc2000photos/photos/gcd/gc2kd19t.jpg[/img] African Methodist Episcopal Zion Bishop Clarence Carr (right) shakes hands with (from left): United Methodist Bishops Woodie W. White and S. Clifton Ives and Bruce Robbins, top executive of the General Commission on Christian Unity and Interreligious Concerns following a service of repentance for racism at the United Methodist Church's 2000 General Conference.
[img]http://www.umc.org/gc2000photos/photos/gcd/gc2kd18t.jpg[/img] BISHOP WHITE -- United Methodist Bishop Woodie White invites delegates and guests of the church's 2000 General Conference to imagine what would happen if all the white people in the audience had become persons of color during an act of repentance for racism within the church.
[img]http://www.umc.org/gc2000photos/photos/gcd/gc2kd17t.jpg[/img] ACT OF REPENTANCE -- In a service that included the symbolic wearing of sackcloth and ashes, United Methodists confessed to the sin of racism within the denomination during their 2000 General Conference in Cleveland. [img]http://www.umc.org/gc2000photos/photos/gcd/gc2kd14t.jpg[/img] SACKCLOTH AND ASHES -- United Methodist Bishops (from top) William Oden, Alfred Johnson, Arthur Kulah and Robert Morgan offer sackcloth and ashes during a service of repentance for racism at the United Methodist Church's 2000 General Conference in Cleveland. During the service the church confessed to the sin of racism within the denomination.
2005-06-19 12:17 | User Profile
** [img]http://www.faithandvalues.com/tx/UMC-37/3/index_files/image003.gif[/img]March 17, 2004**
Bishop Woodie W. White named Bishop in Residence Bishop Woodie W. White of the Indiana Conference, United Methodist Church, has been named Bishop in Residence, beginning in September 2004. White, who has served in Indiana since 1992, will retire next summer. A native of New York City, White attended Paine College in Augusta, GA and the Boston University School of Theology. He served congregations in Massachusetts and Michigan. From 1969 to 1984 he was General Secretary of the General Commission on Religion and Race of the United Methodist Church. Elected a Bishop in 1984, he served the Illinois Great Rivers Area prior to coming to Indiana. He was president of the General Board of Discipleship from 1988-92 and president of the Council of Bishops in 1996-97. In making this appointment, Dean Russell E. Richey noted, "Candler has enjoyed wonderful tutelage from and has a great tradition of Bishops in residence. We are pleased that Bishop White will sustain that heritage, be available to students for counsel, join the United Methodist Studies faculty, and teach also in one of the several areas in which his witness has been so powerful, the church and race relations."
Each year, United Methodist Bishop Woodie W. White writes a letter to his friend and colleague, the late Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., in advance of Kingââ¬â¢s Jan. 15 birthday.
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2005-06-19 12:30 | User Profile
[url="http://www.wvumc.org/bishop.shtml"]http://www.wvumc.org/bishop.shtml[/url] "In preparation for annual conference 2005, let us be in prayer, asking God to prepare our hearts and minds to be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit. What is Godââ¬â¢s yearning for the United Methodists of the West Virginia Conference? What is our role as an annual conference in Godââ¬â¢s kingdom building?"
"I am looking forward to Annual Conference 2005 with great anticipation and expectation. Conference will be a special time. It will be our time with God and with each other. Yes, I am approaching annual conference 2005 with great expectations."
[left][font=Arial]Faithfully, [/font][/left] [left][font=Arial]Ernest S. Lyght - Resident Bishop[/font][/left] [left][font=Arial]West Virginia Annual Conference[/font][/left] [left][font=Arial][/font] [/left] [img]http://www.thejournalnews.com/mainline/lyght.jpg[/img]
[font=Arial]Lyght was appointed in July 2004 as bishop overseeing the United Methodist Church's West Virginia area, which covers all of the state except for the Eastern Panhandle and includes Garrett County, Md. Before coming to West Virginia, he had been a bishop in New York.
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2005-06-19 13:30 | User Profile
My guess is, the race factor, is why these brand-x "Christian" churches, with no obligation what-so-ever to any non-white racial groups, are SO popular...the largest churches with the biggest attendence in this area are these brand-x churches. This seems to be the trend all over the US.
2005-06-19 20:50 | User Profile
I am suprised to see Dr. Oden participate in that "sackcloth and ashes" ceremony. He is one of the few Methodist theologians I have read. For a Methodist, he is fairly scriptural. What a dope, acting like that in public! IF he can recall a specific sin against a person, he should confess it. All these rituals of submission are just nuts.
2005-06-20 02:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]I am suprised to see Dr. Oden participate in that "sackcloth and ashes" ceremony. He is one of the few Methodist theologians I have read. For a Methodist, he is fairly scriptural. What a dope, acting like that in public! IF he can recall a specific sin against a person, he should confess it. All these rituals of submission are just nuts.[/QUOTE] Oh...We don't even have a handle on the serious crimes committed by blacks agaist Whites in the US every year...some claim as many as 1.5 million serious crimes are committed by blacks every year against Whites.
If you look at the federal photos of criminals, it appears that in about 20% of the cases, those classified as Whites appear to be non-Whites!
Another interesting statistic is the 60%-70% of blacks now born out of wedlock as opposed to 8% or so in the 1940's born out of wedlock.
I won't even go into black AIDS HIV stats...