← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Peter
Thread ID: 18699 | Posts: 31 | Started: 2005-06-17
2005-06-17 20:02 | User Profile
Hey,
I'm just a regular reader of this forum, never meant to sign up for lack of time, but today the top of the forum says:
"[color=red]Traditional, American White Supremacism for and from the Christian Common Man[/color]"
Are you guys aware of this as yet? Surely this was not intentional by the OD management team.
2005-06-17 20:09 | User Profile
Good eye, I didn't even notice. That's messed up.
2005-06-17 20:25 | User Profile
I guess it is possible that it is a joke, referring to OD's recent appearance on the SPLC's list of 'hate' sites. It seems unlikely, however.
2005-06-17 20:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I guess it is possible that it is a joke, referring to OD's recent appearance on the SPLC's list of 'hate' sites. [/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding!
You win the kewpie doll, Q!
To collect just forward your name and address to the SPLC c/o M. Dees.
:)
2005-06-17 20:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Ding ding ding!
You win the kewpie doll, Q!
To collect just forward your name and address to the SPLC c/o M. Dees.
:)[/QUOTE]
But, but, aren't you suppose to be sputtering out denials rather than joking about it? :confused:
2005-06-17 20:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter]I'm just a regular reader of this forum, never meant to sign up for lack of time, but today the top of the forum says:
"[color=red]Traditional, American White Supremacism for and from the Christian Common Man[/color]"
Are you guys aware of this as yet? Surely this was not intentional by the OD management team.[/QUOTE]
Hey Peter,
Well if it took that to finally get you on-board here, then maybe it was worth it. My apologies if anyone is deeply offended, but yes, it was an intentional joke.
Just a'shakin' things up a bit. :)
2005-06-17 20:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]But, but, aren't you suppose to be sputtering out denials rather than joking about it? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Like the bruthas and the 'n word', we're reclaiming 'white supremacist' in order to diminish its negative and hurtful power over the white community.
2005-06-17 20:41 | User Profile
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/knightblog/abe_foxman.jpg[/IMG] "I am deeply offended."
2005-06-17 20:42 | User Profile
For far too long now that hateful label has been used to demean and belittle our once-proud people.
2005-06-17 20:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=albion]"I am deeply offended."[/QUOTE] Albion, That picture is classic! :thumbsup:
2005-06-17 20:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]For far too long now that hateful label has been used to demean and belittle our once-proud people.[/QUOTE]
Tex, I think you just might be able to win me over to this kind of rationale. The label isn't [I]our[/I] problem.
2005-06-17 20:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I guess it is possible that it is a joke, referring to OD's recent appearance on the SPLC's list of 'hate' sites. It seems unlikely, however.[/QUOTE] Were you just referring to the Wikipedia entry, or there in fact a specific SPLC citation? I wasn't aware of the latter.
2005-06-17 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Were you just referring to the Wikipedia entry, or there in fact a specific SPLC citation? I wasn't aware of the latter.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't know, Okie. They did a hit on Little Geneva though, and that's close enough to home for me.
2005-06-17 21:27 | User Profile
This aint no new-fangled europeean white supremacism. No sir. This is good ol' fashioned and traditional, American white supremacism.
:lol:
2005-06-17 21:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]This aint no new-fangled europeean white supremacism. No sir. This is good ol' fashioned and traditional, American white supremacism.
:lol:[/QUOTE]
Damn straight. Nothin' wrong with a little French white supremacism, but truth be told, I can't speak but three words of it. Gimmee the Murrican kind!
(Has anyone ever noticed that in that infamous photo of Abe, his yellow teeth match his yellow-tinted glasses?)
2005-06-17 21:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]I guess it is possible that it is a joke, referring to OD's recent appearance on the SPLC's list of 'hate' sites. It seems unlikely, however.[/QUOTE]
Link?
2005-06-17 22:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Link?[/QUOTE]I hope we did something worthy of SPLC mention. If its just the Wikipedia reference I'd hate to say what Tex has in mind the day we get a real cite of importance. :blush:
2005-06-17 22:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Peter]Hey,
I'm just a regular reader of this forum, never meant to sign up for lack of time, but today the top of the forum says:
"[color=red]Traditional, American White Supremacism for and from the Christian Common Man[/color]"
Are you guys aware of this as yet? Surely this was not intentional by the OD management team.[/QUOTE]
Din't see it till now, thanks for pointing this out Peter.
Tex?????? I do hope that's a joke and nothing more......please change it to what it used to be.
I know that you are now a different person from what you used to be and I don't know why but I don't feel that we all should pay for your temporary loss of insanity.
While I for one don't feel that it is offending I do find it rather stupid. :hitler:
2005-06-17 23:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Din't see it till now, thanks for pointing this out Peter.
Tex?????? I do hope that's a joke and nothing more......please change it to what it used to be.
I know that you are now a different person from what you used to be and I don't know why but I don't feel that we all should pay for your temporary loss of insanity.
While I for one don't feel that it is offending I do find it rather stupid. :hitler:[/QUOTE]
Well, you could always go back to Cuba. :blow:
2005-06-17 23:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Din't see it till now, thanks for pointing this out Peter.
Tex?????? I do hope that's a joke and nothing more......please change it to what it used to be.
[/QUOTE]Please don't make any such requests of Tex Ponce. It just encourages him :biggrin:
If you want him to change it back, ask him if these means we can now all start using Nazi avatars like they do on the Phora.
I suspect Tex is a trifle frustrated that few mainstream conservative sites link to us, that the only writeup we get calls us White Supremacist, and that it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference what we call ourselves now. I'm sure it will pass though. Or maybe he'll substitute Martin's label, "Original Dystentary, Faleoconservatism for the Feebs" :lol:
2005-06-18 00:57 | User Profile
Isn't "White Supremacism" redundant?
2005-06-18 02:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Isn't "White Supremacism" redundant?[/QUOTE]
Or, what should we be instead of 'white supremacists'? White capitulists?
2005-06-18 03:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]This aint no new-fangled europeean white supremacism. No sir. This is good ol' fashioned and traditional, American white supremacism.
:lol:[/QUOTE] As you know, words have a particular power. Conservatism is a good cause. Not sure why Euroconservatism would be, under the logic of the new name, less welcome in a sense of the nationalized banner now proclaimed. Is that fair payment for their resistance to the EuroMadness? :clown:
Will "watch this space." :cowboy:
2005-06-18 04:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Please don't make any such requests of Tex Ponce. It just encourages him :biggrin:
If you want him to change it back, ask him if these means we can now all start using Nazi avatars like they do on the Phora.
I suspect Tex is a trifle frustrated that few mainstream conservative sites link to us, that the only writeup we get calls us White Supremacist, and that it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference what we call ourselves now. I'm sure it will pass though. Or maybe he'll substitute Martin's label, "Original Dystentary, Faleoconservatism for the Feebs" :lol:[/QUOTE]
Bardamu? after six years in the US Army 5 SF A 32 Team I did try to go back tu Cuba but Castro dosen't want me for being too "Americanise", if he only knew.
Okie? look at what people write here and you will know why they call us a White Supremacist site......hell, I am more white than "white" people with my blond hair and green eyes and yet I am still a Cuban.
I remember when I first joined this site there were a few intelligent people but now even Tex is acting different so what do you expect people to say about us? :furious:
2005-06-18 04:34 | User Profile
Well I have to say as a new member, if I had seen that up there when I first dropped by I certainly would have kept on going. I understand the frustration but if your goal is to gain membership, that's not going to do it.:blink:
2005-06-18 05:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Like the bruthas and the 'n word', we're reclaiming 'white supremacist' in order to diminish its negative and hurtful power over the white community.[/QUOTE]
Yes!
I spent way too much time resisting labels like anti-Semitism, racism, white supremacism. What's the point?
If, for example, talking about Israeli subversion of our foreign policy is anti-Semitism (and it is so labelled in the neokhan press), then all I can say is "LONG LIVE ANTI-SEMITISM!"
If recognition of the fact of racial differences is "racism" then I say "THREE CHEERS FOR RACISM!"
If saying with the founders and nearly every other American before 1950 that America is great because she is good, and she is good because she is ruled by white Christians, then all I can say is "UP WITH WHITE RULE!"
Resisting these silly labels only places us eternally on the defensive, and you gotta take the offensive if you want to win.
I say we take these labels our enemies want to smear us with and turn them into badges of honor.
2005-06-18 08:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I am more white than "white" people with my blond hair and green eyes and yet I am still a Cuban.
Whatever. If you self-identify as a Cuban yet reside here in the States, then at best you are a dual-loyalist, at worst a traitor.
I remember when I first joined this site there were a few intelligent people but now even Tex is acting different so what do you expect people to say about us? :furious:[/QUOTE]
Who is 'us', Ponce? You got a mouse in your pocket?
The point is if you aint 'us', who cares?
2005-06-18 09:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Whatever. If you self-identify as a Cuban yet reside here in the States, then at best you are a dual-loyalist, at worst a traitor.
Who is 'us', Ponce? You got a mouse in your pocket?
The point is if you aint 'us', who cares? Uh, I think you are being a little too abrupt there Tex. Ponce is obviously never going to cover up his identity here anyway, so he obviously wears his identity out front. The identity thing with Cuban exiles as with other exiles I've always felt to be different anyway, completely unlike Mexicans, since they don't really have a home they can visit, much less go home to and vote in elections to boot.
We've had our own little good flame wars here, like when the Poles and Germans, (or even Germans and Americans) start fighting over WWII. I don't think we need to get into the Spanish-American war or Bay of Pigs on top of it. Shute, we already have trouble enough keeping from imploding over the skeptic/Christian thing, or within Christian ranks the Protestant/Catholic skirmishes, an occasional Irish/English pique, and of course the good old Yankee/Confederate schism. I'd hate to start drawing to hard lines as too who "us" is and isn't.
2005-06-18 09:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]The identity thing with Cuban exiles as with other exiles I've always felt to be different anyway, completely unlike Mexicans, since they don't really have a home they can visit, much less go home to and vote in elections to boot. [
And accepting that is why for all practical purposes America ends south of Lake Okeechobee and into occupied Miami.
What is the term for someone who emigrates to this country yet retains a higher loyalty and allegiance to the country they emigrated from, even after 50 years?
2005-06-18 12:23 | User Profile
It was, of course, Wikipedia that referenced OD as a 'white supremacist' website, and not the SPLC. Sorry, about that -- I recently read something about the SPLC, and I got my signals crossed. And here I got everybody all excited that we had really hit the big time. Oh well, try, try again.
2005-06-18 14:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]It was, of course, Wikipedia that referenced OD as a 'white supremacist' website, and not the SPLC. Sorry, about that -- I recently read something about the SPLC, and I got my signals crossed. And here I got everybody all excited that we had really hit the big time. Oh well, try, try again.[/QUOTE]
There's always next time.
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I spent way too much time resisting labels like anti-Semitism, racism, white supremacism. What's the point?
If, for example, talking about Israeli subversion of our foreign policy is anti-Semitism (and it is so labelled in the neokhan press), then all I can say is "LONG LIVE ANTI-SEMITISM!"
If recognition of the fact of racial differences is "racism" then I say "THREE CHEERS FOR RACISM!"
If saying with the founders and nearly every other American before 1950 that America is great because she is good, and she is good because she is ruled by white Christians, then all I can say is "UP WITH WHITE RULE!"
Resisting these silly labels only places us eternally on the defensive, and you gotta take the offensive if you want to win.
I say we take these labels our enemies want to smear us with and turn them into badges of honor.[/QUOTE]
Walter, I'm with you in spirit, and there may be some who can pull this off. But here's my problem with saying, "Yeah, I'm a white supremacist. So what?"
It's that our message gets irreparably mangled. The tags don't have intellectual meaning -- or, they don't perform the normal "tag" function of actually describing something. They have an EMOTIONAL meaning. And that emotional meaning is, "bad." So, "white supremacist" does not actually mean, "person who believes that whites should be in control of their own destiny." It just means "bad person." Or "evil person." Or "crazy person." And so on.
So on those grounds, I reject being called a white supremacist.
I am an advocate for whites.