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2005-06-15 00:42 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=8161]Overthrow.com[/URL]
SPLC Has Informant At Top Levels Of VNN Give Exact Figures, Internal Details In Interview With Tampa Tribune
6/11/2005 9:54:31 AM Discuss this story in the forum LSN Staff
Kirksville, Missouri -- The Southern Poverty Law Center's Joe Roy, in a recent interview with the Tampa Tribune, gave exact figures and internal details of the distribution of The Aryan Alternative newspaper, published by VNN's Alex Linder and federal informer Stephen Samuel Miller, indicating that the SPLC has an informer placed in the core of VNN's operations. Roy stated to the Tampa Tribune that 9,000 copies of the Aryan Alternative had been distributed to date. The figures contradict those published publicly on the VNN forum website, which indicate 20,000 copies were published and 12,200 were distributed.
The SPLC began a campaign to infiltrate Vanguard News Network in 2003. Linder, an alcoholic, was introduced to Miller, also, according to Miller's website, an alcoholic, and soon Miller began taking control of Linder's publishing operations. Miller, who operates under the pseudonyms Frazier Glenn Miller and "Rounder", was a federal informant who testified against both his own organization, the White Patriot Party, the Order, and the leaders of most white activist groups at the Fort Smith sedition trials, during the 1980s.
During his time as an informer, Miller developed a relationship with Southern Poverty Law Center founder Morris Dees, and went so far as to give Dees a ride to the airport from the trial of a civil lawsuit Dees brought against Miller, in order to discuss a settlement of the charges.
When the SPLC saw VNN uniting various white activists and building institutions that challenged the existing SPLC-informer dominated white organizations, it, with the assistance of other groups, worked to promote Miller, splitting VNN up and leaving it as another non-threatening, informer- controlled and dominated, phony "white" organization which they could use as a "threat" to promote their groups in the mass media.
Emailed to you by:
Libertarian Socialist News ATTN: Bill White, Editor
Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908
[url]http://www.overthrow.com[/url] [email]bwhite@mail.overthrow.com[/email]
Sounds a little speculative, but certainly possible. BTW, anyone ever notice how slow overthrow.com is? Has anyone ever reported ping attacks on it? - Okie
2005-06-15 00:58 | User Profile
Lions and tigers and bears.
2005-06-15 01:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Lions and tigers and bears.[/QUOTE]White and Lindstedt - great minds think alike :lol:
Of course, it says alot about these types of organizations that a lot of what they say is probably true.
2005-06-15 01:04 | User Profile
Yikes.
Though not expressly stated, I guess the strong implication is that Miller is the SPLC informant?
As always, I would consider the source of this. Then consider it some more.
Maybe Franco will pitch in and give us the VNN rebuttal.
Some reading this may want to take a look at and consider the following:
[url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=62]The National Policy Institute[/url]
2005-06-15 01:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Maybe Franco will pitch in and give us the VNN rebuttal.
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I don't think Franco is a mod over there anymore. Never see hide nor hair of him. Too bad too, I like the guy.
2005-06-15 02:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Some reading this may want to take a look at and consider the following:
[url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=62]The National Policy Institute[/url][/QUOTE] Still working on their website I see. I presume great things will come of it when its up and running?
2005-06-15 07:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Still working on their website I see. I presume great things will come of it when its up and running?[/QUOTE]
Who knows, Okie? At this point I guess all one can say is that it's something and it's not VNN. While the very basic practical aim of VNN may be laudable, the means it advocates to get there are so bankrupt on every level of morals, ethics and even political, any direction away from the dead-end of VNN that can be provided to our brethren is a step in the right direction, imo.
2005-07-01 05:59 | User Profile
Who cares what Bill White says? He also claims that he would not be surprised if David Duke, Kevin Strom, and Don Black had a sex orgy at this years EURO Conference.
And to top it off, he is a member of the crummy National Socialist Movement. He has no respect from me, and I question the validity of almost everything he posts.
FourteenWords
2005-07-06 19:46 | User Profile
It should be obvious to anyone by now miller is rat and agent. Metzger has pointed it out, Lane has, Bulter has, the fbi has, and the list goes on. But some people need to feel.
2005-07-06 19:58 | User Profile
Jews take pride in being the world's best infiltrator-subverters. Anyone who thinks an organization like VNN or Stormfront can exist without Jewish infiltration does not understand Jews. Of course these organizations are infiltrated, that's just the nature of the beast. The question is who. On the other hand, it doesn't matter. They have to understand they are infiltrated and persist in their objectives as best they can with that understanding. If certain kinds of activism are only possible without infiltration, small independent cells are the answer.
2005-07-06 21:06 | User Profile
~~ Bill White ... VNN
Both are unreliable.
2005-07-06 22:03 | User Profile
For years. Yes Miller is a RAT. Just ask Harold Covington. Better yet, talk to him yourself, and check out one of the Yahoo groups he runs,of which I am a member. Still, I love reading Harold's books, but I just don't buy into his Northwest theory. [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truthcom2004/[/url] [url]http://nwhomeland.blogspot.com/[/url]
2005-07-06 23:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE][url]http://www.nigerianspam.com/BIll%20White.htm[/url]
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Since the death of our client President Mobutu Seseseko, none of his benefactors has come forward to claim the consignment with us, which means that none of his relatives or aids had any knowledge of this consignment. Hence out of curiosity I decided to secretly scan the box and to my greatestsurprise I discovered that the two boxes that were registered as treasures by our client actually contained a considerable amount of money in United States Dollars estimated to be over Twenty Five Million Five Hundred Thousand Dollars (US$25.5m).
Since this development I have been nursing plans secretly. I also found out from enquiries and the foreign media that ourlate client siphoned alot of money from his country while he was in office as head of state. It is my conviction thatthe consignment inour vault was part of the money that our client siphoned and now that he is dead there is no trace to this money in our care.
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Yours faithfully, Bill White[/QUOTE]
This explains the beret at least.
2005-07-07 00:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Marxist]~~ Bill White ... VNN
Both are unreliable.[/QUOTE]:lol:
Now that at least is one thing we can be certain of.
2005-07-07 01:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]The question is who. On the other hand, it doesn't matter. They have to understand they are infiltrated and persist in their objectives as best they can with that understanding. If certain kinds of activism are only possible without infiltration, small independent cells are the answer.[/QUOTE]When infiltrators are present, then we have to also judge the parent organization on the security tactics it uses. There are a number of security tactics out there I know that exist and could be used to minimize the dangers from infiltration.
We can't know for sure what organizations are doing. But we can observe a few things, like if it is exercising at least a fair amount of prudence. Putting someone like Glenn Miller in a very influential and probably very sensitive position doesn't meet these standards.
I think then we must therefore look at the motives of those placing Glenn Miller there. In fact I'd have to view the entire VNN organization as pretty much compromised and under some suspicion.
Bill White may seem like an odd enough duck, but he seems to be on the right track here.
2005-07-08 15:19 | User Profile
As long as you're not breaking the law, there's nothing anything can inform on.
White activists have to shake off the false assumption that we are somehow engaged in criminal activity, and instead internalize the realization that we are actually the legitimate representatives of a system that has been hijacked and perverted by usurpers.
As the protectors of the legacy of the Founders and the system they established, we are the legitimate administrators of this civilization.
It is those who oppose us who are the criminals.
2005-07-08 15:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]For years. Yes Miller is a RAT.
A rat? What are we, a bunch of caged ghetto simians sniffing out "snitches"?
Just ask Harold Covington.
Yeah, there's a reliable source for ya. :jester:
2005-07-08 19:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]As long as you're not breaking the law, there's nothing anything can inform on. Not exactly. If orgaization are being watched, they are interested in everything, including what brand of coffee you drink.
[QUOTE]White activists have to shake off the false assumption that we are somehow engaged in criminal activity, and instead internalize the realization that we are actually the legitimate representatives of a system that has been hijacked and perverted by usurpers.
As the protectors of the legacy of the Founders and the system they established, we are the legitimate administrators of this civilization.
It is those who oppose us who are the criminals.[/QUOTE]That's what everyone says already. The reality is however, as Mao said, political power flows from the barrel of the gun, and right now the government has the gun. You can howl like Martin Lindstedt about "regime criminals" all you want on yor own time, but in court you'd better say "yes your honor".
2005-07-08 20:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]The reality is however, as Mao said, political power flows from the barrel of the gun, and right now the [B]government has the gun[/B].[/QUOTE]
And we have Jesus Christ.
2005-07-08 20:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Not exactly. If orgaization are being watched, they are interested in everything, including what brand of coffee you drink.
That's why the respectable and legal approach is the only way.
That's what everyone says already. The reality is however, as Mao said, political power flows from the barrel of the gun, and right now the government has the gun.
But, if that's true, how have the Jews gained such power without firing a shot? They have simply outthought and outintellectualized us. Their ideas displaced ours. To reverse the tide, our ideas will have to displace theirs. That is totally legal activity.
You can howl like Martin Lindstedt about "regime criminals" all you want on yor own time, but in court you'd better say "yes your honor".[/QUOTE]
That guy Lindstedt is an extreme case who brought that all on himself by his crazy, and likely, criminal behaviour. To hold him up as an innocent white martyr railroaded by a jewish gestapo is very inaccurate.
The unfounded paranoia on the radical racial right is very counterproductive.
2005-07-08 21:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]That's why the respectable and legal approach is the only way.
...............
But, if that's true, how have the Jews gained such power without firing a shot? They have simply outthought and outintellectualized us. Their ideas displaced ours. To reverse the tide, our ideas will have to displace theirs. That is totally legal activity. Respectable and legal eh? Then how come so many WN leaders today respectable and law abiding all - have been or are in jail, or worse - Matt Hale, Randy Weaver, Chester Doles, David Duke, and others?
WN leaders thoughts objectively are least every bit as good as jewish intellectuals. The difference is jewish forces control the means of mass communication and dissemination of ideas, press, education, government. WN literature, even great works like MacDonald are marginalized, and labeled hate literature, even if "hate literaturre is not banned outright here as in most of the rest of the industrialized world.
In politics, thinking doesn't do any good unless your ideas are disseminated.
You know, you sound just like Fade.
That guy Lindstedt is an extreme case who brought that all on himself by his crazy, and likely, criminal behaviour. To hold him up as an innocent white martyr railroaded by a jewish gestapo is very inaccurate. You're inventing your own view of our position. The Lindstedt thread is still open if you have anything specific to say about it. He's certainly pretty eccentric, but in this country that doesn't automatically make you a criminal, or at least it shouldn't.
The unfounded paranoia on the radical racial right is very counterproductive.[/QUOTE] You aren't going to say "there is no evidence jews control the media" are you? :lol:
2005-07-08 21:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]And we have Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]You remember what Stalin said about the Pope, how many divisions does he have?
In the short term guns rule. In the long run you're right, they can't control forever with a spiritually bankrupt regime.
However, as Keynes pointed out brilliantly, in the long run we're all dead.
2005-07-14 18:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Respectable and legal eh? Then how come so many WN leaders today respectable and law abiding all - have been or are in jail, or worse - Matt Hale, Randy Weaver, Chester Doles, David Duke, and others? Matt Hale was speaking and acting like a psychopath. Actually, he and many of his followers are psychopaths.
Weaver and Doles were nailed on gun charges of their own making.
David Duke was jailed for, if I'm not mistaken, unpaid taxes or something or other.
These are all problems of their own making, not "persecution" by "ZOG".
WN leaders thoughts objectively are least every bit as good as jewish intellectuals. I don't see too many jewish intellectuals calling for mass genocide of white people.
The difference is jewish forces control the means of mass communication and dissemination of ideas, press, education, government. They may have disproportionate influence over the tone of the content of the media (probably because they make more sense), but they certainly don't control every single printing press and television camera.
Let's face it, most "WN" propaganda doesn't have an audience, not because "the Jews" are censoring it, but because most of the ideas disseminated by so-called "white nationalists" have been psychotic, inhumane and anti-social, and most decent, normal white people don't want anything to do with it.
WN literature, even great works like MacDonald are marginalized, and labeled hate literature, even if "hate literaturre is not banned outright here as in most of the rest of the industrialized world. I haven't read MacDonalds book, but assuming it is as innocuous as it appears to be, I still can't fault many Jews for being paranoid and overly cautious when you consider their history of persecution in Europe by White people using texts as diverse as The Bible and Mein Kampf for justification. If I was Jewish I'd be paranoid and overly cautious too.
In politics, thinking doesn't do any good unless your ideas are disseminated. Our ideas are being disseminated right now on the internet. I also do not think ideas like promoting genocide and mass murder should be allowed to be disseminated.
You know, you sound just like Fade. I'm not Fade, but 2 + 2 = 4 even if Fade The Butcher says it.
You're inventing your own view of our position. The Lindstedt thread is still open if you have anything specific to say about it. He's certainly pretty eccentric, but in this country that doesn't automatically make you a criminal, or at least it shouldn't. Lindstedt is a bona fide lunatic and I think we all know it. White Rights Advocates would be wise to stop associating with every random crackpot with an axe to grind against the federal government. Some quality control is in order.
You aren't going to say "there is no evidence jews control the media" are you? :lol:[/QUOTE]Define "control".
2005-07-14 21:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Matt Hale was speaking and acting like a psychopath. Actually, he and many of his followers are psychopaths. Don't know the man too well, but its more complex. We had an old thread "the railroading of Matt Hale"
[QUOTE]Weaver and Doles were nailed on gun charges of their own making. [/QUOTE]Weaver? LOL. You are really showing your bias there W.E. Gary Spence thought the charges were outrageous, that's why he got the guy off - and he's certainly no white anything.
[QUOTE]David Duke was jailed for, if I'm not mistaken, unpaid taxes or something or other.
These are all problems of their own making, not "persecution" by "ZOG".[/QUOTE]
As usual, you're mistaken. See [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17848&highlight=Duke]The Real Reason Behind the Persecution of David Duke[/URL]
[QUOTE]I don't see too many jewish intellectuals calling for mass genocide of white people. Never heard of Susan Sontag explicitely? Or implicitely the whole open-border jewish establishment?> They may have disproportionate influence over the tone of the content of the media (probably because they make more sense), but they certainly don't control every single printing press and television camera.
Define "control".
I'm not Fade, but 2 + 2 = 4 even if Fade The Butcher says it. [/QUOTE]I think you'd believe it if Fade said 2+2=400. Particularly since that's what you already believe.
[QUOTE]Let's face it, most "WN" propaganda doesn't have an audience, not because "the Jews" are censoring it, but because most of the ideas disseminated by so-called "white nationalists" have been psychotic, inhumane and anti-social, and most decent, normal white people don't want anything to do with it.[/QUOTE]Maybe they're just voluntarily ignorant and lazy. Like I'm starting to conclude you are.
I haven't read MacDonalds book, You haven't read much at all as far as I can see.
[QUOTE]Our ideas are being disseminated right now on the internet. [B]I also do not think ideas like promoting genocide and mass murder should be allowed to be disseminated.[/B] [/QUOTE] You're certainly showing your hand now.
[QUOTE]Lindstedt is a bona fide lunatic and I think we all know it. White Rights Advocates would be wise to stop associating with every random crackpot with an axe to grind against the federal government. Some quality control is in order.[/QUOTE]Lindstedt is a lone wolf, banned from this forum and almost evey other forum but the Phora, but I think still deserves his constitutional rights.
I don't mind educated opinions that disagree with us. But lazy uneducated opinions, by prejudiced people who haven't bother to check the facts, just waste my time.
With regard to the latter I'm reminded of an old saying "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink".:dung:
2005-07-14 22:11 | User Profile
Okie, go bark up another tree. I'm not interested in pissing contests with you.
2005-07-14 22:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Okie, go bark up another tree. I'm not interested in pissing contests with you.[/QUOTE] Be honest. That's exactly why you are here isn't it?
2005-07-15 00:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]Be honest. That's exactly why you are here isn't it?[/QUOTE] Yes Travis, you're not paranoid... I'm working on a joint intelligence project for the CIA, FBI, ADL and the American Dental Association.
You got me.
2005-07-15 18:36 | User Profile
Don't forget to brush.
2005-07-15 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]I don't see too many jewish intellectuals calling for mass genocide of white people.[/QUOTE]
Along with Okie's naming of Susan Sontag ('white race is a cancer') as an example of a jewish intellectual who desires White people to disappear, I also recall another jewish intellectual Noel Ignatiev, Harvard professor, who claimed that, I paraphrase, the 'world would be better off without Whites'. Link to Ignatiev interview [URL=http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/jan97postel.htm]here.[/URL]
That's 2 down, 100 more to go.
2005-07-15 20:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Along with Okie's naming of Susan Sontag ('white race is a cancer') as an example of a jewish intellectual who desires White people to disappear, I also recall another jewish intellectual Noel Ignatiev, Harvard professor, who claimed that, I paraphrase, the 'world would be better off without Whites'. Link to Ignatiev interview [url="http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/jan97postel.htm"]here.[/url] Ok, and we've had plenty of whites like Ban Klassen, William Pierce and others advocate the extermination of Jews and non-whites.
There are a few kooks in every group of people who irrationally demonize others.
Just because a few jewish kooks spew psychotic nonsense, does that mean I should also spew psychotic nonsense?
No.
That's 2 down, 100 more to go.[/QUOTE]Yes, there's two. Let me know when you locate the rest.
2005-07-15 21:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Ok, and we've had plenty of whites like Ban Klassen, William Pierce and others advocate the extermination of Jews and non-whites.
There are a few kooks in every group of people who irrationally demonize others.
Just because a few jewish kooks spew psychotic nonsense, does that mean I also spew psychotic nonsense?
No.
Yes, there's two. Let me know when you locate the rest.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that Dr. William Pierce advocated violence? If so, please give an example.
2005-07-15 21:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Are you saying that Dr. William Pierce advocated violence? If so, please give an example.
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The Turner Diaries
Chapter 23 :ninja:
August 1, 1993. Today has been the Day of the Rope-a grim and bloody day, but an unavoidable one. Tonight, for the first time in weeks, it is quiet and totally peaceful throughout all of southern California. But the night is filled with silent horrors; from tens of thousands of lampposts, power poles, and trees throughout this vast metropolitan area the grisly forms hang.
In the lighted areas one sees them everywhere. Even the street signs at intersections have been pressed into service, and at practically every street corner I passed this evening on my way to HQ there was a dangling corpse, four at every intersection. Hanging from a single overpass only about a mile from here is a group of about 30, each with an identical placard around its neck bearing the printed legend, "I betrayed my race." Two or three of that group had been decked out in academic robes before they were strung up, and the whole batch are apparently faculty members from the nearby UCLA campus.
In the areas to which we have not yet restored electrical power the corpses are less visible, but the feeling of horror in the air there is even worse than in the lighted areas. I had to walk through a two-block-long, unlighted residential section between HQ and my living quarters after our unit meeting tonight. In the middle of one of the unlighted blocks I saw what appeared to be a person standing on the sidewalk directly in front of me. As I approached the silent figure, whose features were hidden in the shadow of a large tree overhanging the sidewalk, it remained motionless, blocking my way.
Feeling some apprehension, I slipped my pistol out of its holster. Then, when I was within a dozen feet of the figure, which had been facing away from me, it began turning slowly toward me. There was something indescribably eerie about the movement, and I stopped in my tracks as the figure continued to turn. A slight breeze rustled the foliage overhead, and suddenly a beam of moonlight broke through the leaves and fell directly on the silently turning shape before me.
The first thing I saw in the moonlight was the placard with its legend in large, block letters: "I defiled my race." Above the placard leered the horribly bloated, purplish face of a young woman, her eyes wide open and bulging, her mouth agape. Finally I could make out the thin, vertical line of rope disappearing into the branches above. Apparently the rope had slipped a bit or the branch to which it was tied had sagged, until the woman's feet were resting on the pavement, giving the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing upright of its own volition.
I shuddered and quickly went on my way. There are many thousands of hanging female corpses like that in this city tonight, all wearing identical placards around their necks. They are the White women who were married to or living with Blacks, with Jews, or with other non-White males.
There are also a number of men wearing the l-defiled-my-race placard, but the women easily outnumber them seven or eight to one. On the other hand, about ninety per cent of the corpses with the I-betrayed-my-race placards are men, and overall the sexes seem to be roughly balanced.
Those wearing the latter placards are the politicians, the lawyers, the businessmen, the TV newscasters, the newspaper reporters and editors, the judges, the teachers, the school officials, the "civic leaders," the bureaucrats, the preachers, and all the others who, for reasons of career or status or votes or whatever, helped promote or implement the System's racial program. The System had already paid them their 30 pieces of silver. Today we paid them. :
It started at three o'clock this morning. Yesterday was an especially bad day of rioting, with the Jews using transistorized megaphones to whip up the crowds and egg them into throwing stones and bottles at our troops. They were chanting "racism must go" and "equality forever" and other slogans the Jews had taught them. It reminded me of the mass demonstrations of the Vietnam era. The Jews have a knack for things like that.
But by three o'clock this morning the crowds had long since finished their orgy of violence and chanting and were in bed-all except a few groups of diehards who had rigged up loudspeakers and were blaring System radio broadcasts out over the surrounding neighborhoods, broadcasts which alternated between screaming rock "music" and appeals for "brotherhood."
Squads of our troops with synchronized watches suddenly appeared in a thousand blocks at once, in fifty different residential neighborhoods, and every squad leader had a long list of names and addresses. The blaring music suddenly stopped and was replaced by the sound of thousands of doors splintering, as booted feet kicked them open.
It was like the Gun Raids of four years ago, only in reverse- and the outcome was both more drastic and more permanent for those raided. One of two things happened to those the troops dragged out onto the streets. If they were non-Whites-and that included all the Jews and everyone who even looked like he had a bit of non-White ancestry - they were shoved into hastily formed columns and started on their no-return march to the canyon in the foothills north of the city. The slightest resistance, any attempt at back talk, or any lagging brought a swift bullet.
The Whites, on the other hand, were, in nearly all cases, hanged on the spot. One of the two types of pre-printed placards was hung on the victim's chest, his hands were quickly taped behind his back, a rope was thrown over a convenient limb or signpost with the other end knotted around his neck, and he was then hauled clear of the ground with no further ado and left dancing on air while the soldiers went to the next name on their list.
The hangings and the formation of the death columns went on for about 10 hours without interruption. When the troops finished their grim work early this afternoon and began returning to their barracks, the Los Angeles area was utterly and completely pacified. The residents of neighborhoods in which we could venture safely only in a tank yesterday were trembling behind closed doors today, afraid even to be seen peering through the crack in drawn drapes. Throughout the morning there was no organized or large-scale opposition to our troops, and by this afternoon even the desire for opposition had evaporated....
2005-07-15 22:11 | User Profile
Good thing for Pierce's sake there were no preprinted I ABANDONED MY FAMILY placards drawn up.....or I GAVE ERICH GLIEBE A JOB, for that matter....
2005-07-16 00:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]The Turner Diaries
Chapter 23 :ninja:
August 1, 1993. Today has been the Day of the Rope-a grim and bloody day, but an unavoidable one. Tonight, for the first time in weeks, it is quiet and totally peaceful throughout all of southern California. But the night is filled with silent horrors; from tens of thousands of lampposts, power poles, and trees throughout this vast metropolitan area the grisly forms hang.
In the lighted areas one sees them everywhere. Even the street signs at intersections have been pressed into service, and at practically every street corner I passed this evening on my way to HQ there was a dangling corpse, four at every intersection. Hanging from a single overpass only about a mile from here is a group of about 30, each with an identical placard around its neck bearing the printed legend, "I betrayed my race." Two or three of that group had been decked out in academic robes before they were strung up, and the whole batch are apparently faculty members from the nearby UCLA campus.
In the areas to which we have not yet restored electrical power the corpses are less visible, but the feeling of horror in the air there is even worse than in the lighted areas. I had to walk through a two-block-long, unlighted residential section between HQ and my living quarters after our unit meeting tonight. In the middle of one of the unlighted blocks I saw what appeared to be a person standing on the sidewalk directly in front of me. As I approached the silent figure, whose features were hidden in the shadow of a large tree overhanging the sidewalk, it remained motionless, blocking my way.
Feeling some apprehension, I slipped my pistol out of its holster. Then, when I was within a dozen feet of the figure, which had been facing away from me, it began turning slowly toward me. There was something indescribably eerie about the movement, and I stopped in my tracks as the figure continued to turn. A slight breeze rustled the foliage overhead, and suddenly a beam of moonlight broke through the leaves and fell directly on the silently turning shape before me.
The first thing I saw in the moonlight was the placard with its legend in large, block letters: "I defiled my race." Above the placard leered the horribly bloated, purplish face of a young woman, her eyes wide open and bulging, her mouth agape. Finally I could make out the thin, vertical line of rope disappearing into the branches above. Apparently the rope had slipped a bit or the branch to which it was tied had sagged, until the woman's feet were resting on the pavement, giving the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing upright of its own volition.
I shuddered and quickly went on my way. There are many thousands of hanging female corpses like that in this city tonight, all wearing identical placards around their necks. They are the White women who were married to or living with Blacks, with Jews, or with other non-White males.
There are also a number of men wearing the l-defiled-my-race placard, but the women easily outnumber them seven or eight to one. On the other hand, about ninety per cent of the corpses with the I-betrayed-my-race placards are men, and overall the sexes seem to be roughly balanced.
Those wearing the latter placards are the politicians, the lawyers, the businessmen, the TV newscasters, the newspaper reporters and editors, the judges, the teachers, the school officials, the "civic leaders," the bureaucrats, the preachers, and all the others who, for reasons of career or status or votes or whatever, helped promote or implement the System's racial program. The System had already paid them their 30 pieces of silver. Today we paid them. :
It started at three o'clock this morning. Yesterday was an especially bad day of rioting, with the Jews using transistorized megaphones to whip up the crowds and egg them into throwing stones and bottles at our troops. They were chanting "racism must go" and "equality forever" and other slogans the Jews had taught them. It reminded me of the mass demonstrations of the Vietnam era. The Jews have a knack for things like that.
But by three o'clock this morning the crowds had long since finished their orgy of violence and chanting and were in bed-all except a few groups of diehards who had rigged up loudspeakers and were blaring System radio broadcasts out over the surrounding neighborhoods, broadcasts which alternated between screaming rock "music" and appeals for "brotherhood."
Squads of our troops with synchronized watches suddenly appeared in a thousand blocks at once, in fifty different residential neighborhoods, and every squad leader had a long list of names and addresses. The blaring music suddenly stopped and was replaced by the sound of thousands of doors splintering, as booted feet kicked them open.
It was like the Gun Raids of four years ago, only in reverse- and the outcome was both more drastic and more permanent for those raided. One of two things happened to those the troops dragged out onto the streets. If they were non-Whites-and that included all the Jews and everyone who even looked like he had a bit of non-White ancestry - they were shoved into hastily formed columns and started on their no-return march to the canyon in the foothills north of the city. The slightest resistance, any attempt at back talk, or any lagging brought a swift bullet.
The Whites, on the other hand, were, in nearly all cases, hanged on the spot. One of the two types of pre-printed placards was hung on the victim's chest, his hands were quickly taped behind his back, a rope was thrown over a convenient limb or signpost with the other end knotted around his neck, and he was then hauled clear of the ground with no further ado and left dancing on air while the soldiers went to the next name on their list.
The hangings and the formation of the death columns went on for about 10 hours without interruption. When the troops finished their grim work early this afternoon and began returning to their barracks, the Los Angeles area was utterly and completely pacified. The residents of neighborhoods in which we could venture safely only in a tank yesterday were trembling behind closed doors today, afraid even to be seen peering through the crack in drawn drapes. Throughout the morning there was no organized or large-scale opposition to our troops, and by this afternoon even the desire for opposition had evaporated....[/QUOTE]
Isn't the Turner Diaries a novel? In other words, a work of fiction? If so, how can a novel advocate any violence?
2005-07-16 03:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Just because a few jewish kooks spew psychotic nonsense, does that mean I also spew psychotic nonsense?[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm.... just who comprises your "White Elite," Mr. Elite?
2005-07-16 03:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Isn't the Turner Diaries a novel? In other words, a work of fiction? If so, how can a novel advocate any violence?
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You might direct that question to those myriad White kids now rotting in jails who were emboldened by Andrew MacDonald's scenario into premature acts. Although the TD is protected speech--as it advocates neither specific targets nor immediate action--it would be disingenuous to deny the novel's power.
Or, for that matter, consult the shade of Timothy McVeigh...
2005-07-16 04:31 | User Profile
Actions allegedly inspired by the book To date, a number of actions are alleged to have been inspired by the novel:
At the time of his arrest, Timothy McVeigh, the man convicted for the Oklahoma City bombing, had a copy of The Turner Diaries in his possession. McVeigh's bombing was similar to the event described in the book where the fictional terrorist group blows up FBI Headquarters.
The Order, an early 1980s white supremacist group involved in murder, robberies and counterfeiting, was named after the group in the book and motivated by the book's scenarios for a race war. The group murdered Alan Berg, a controversial and outspoken Jewish talk show host, and engaged in other acts of violence in order to hasten the race war described in the book. The Order's efforts later inspired another group, The New Order, which planned to commit similar crimes in an effort to start a race war that would lead to a violent revolution.
John William King was convicted for dragging James Byrd, an African-American, to his death in Jasper, Texas. As King shackled Byrd's legs to the back of his truck he was reported to have said, "We're going to start the Turner Diaries early."
The suicide mission to bomb the Pentagon at the end of the book is eerily similar in some people's minds to the suicide bombing of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 by members of Muslim extremist group Al Qaeda. It has been suggested by some that the book only serves as a model of how a local grass-roots movement can overthrow a powerful and tyrannical central government, and that this has led to some groups that do not even agree with the white separatist/supremacist movement using it as a model or blueprint for revolution.
[url]http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:PIgFNJa0F2YJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries+mcveigh+turner+diaries&hl=en[/url]
2005-07-16 04:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite] [QUOTE=xmetalhead] Along with Okie's naming of Susan Sontag ('white race is a cancer') as an example of a jewish intellectual who desires White people to disappear, I also recall another jewish intellectual Noel Ignatiev, Harvard professor, who claimed that, I paraphrase, the 'world would be better off without Whites'. Link to Ignatiev interview [url="http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/jan97postel.htm"]here.[/url]
That's 2 down, 100 more to go.
Ok, and we've had plenty of whites like Ban Klassen, William Pierce and others advocate the extermination of Jews and non-whites.
There are a few kooks in every group of people who irrationally demonize others.
Just because a few jewish kooks spew psychotic nonsense, does that mean I also spew psychotic nonsense?
No. Well with all due respect, there is absolutely no comparison between people like Ignatiev, let alone Sontag, saying something and people like Ben Klassen and William Pierce saying something. People like Klassen, Hale, and Pierce may be relatively educated and articulate for the media's view of White Supremacist, but they are in a cultural sense viewed as psychotic kooks, spewing drivel from the osolation of their respective compounds for their small tiny groups. People like Ignatiev, a nationally recognized Harvard professor, let alone Sontag, one of the "preeminent intellectuals of our time" (in the words of those eulogizing her) represent large spectrums of society. What they say almost automatically has the capacity to make their ideas respectable among large numbers of their followers and admirers and in the large cultural mileau which they represent, and in thesame token is representative of this cultural mileau.
When they say something. you can be certain that it is quite close to what a large number of people not only advocate but fundamentally find respectable.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] That's 2 down, 100 more to go. Yes, there's two. Let me know when you locate the rest.[/QUOTE]Where are your 100 names? Really you don't seem to have any conception of the significance of what xmetalhead just said, as do you much of anything except as it relates to your preconceived prejudices, which basically you've come over here to expound.
2005-07-16 15:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Hmmmm.... just who comprises your "White Elite," Mr. Elite?[/QUOTE]Let me rephrase that:
"Just because a few jewish kooks spew psychotic nonsense, does that mean I should also spew psychotic nonsense?"
No, it does not.
People like Sontag and Ignatiev should be denounced, not mimicked by their respective white analogues.
2005-07-16 15:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Well with all due respect, there is absolutely no comparison between people like Ignatiev, let alone Sontag, saying something and people like Ben Klassen and William Pierce saying something. People like Klassen, Hale, and Pierce may be relatively educated and articulate for the media's view of White Supremacist, but they are in a cultural sense viewed as psychotic kooks, spewing drivel from the osolation of their respective compounds for their small tiny groups. People like Ignatiev, a nationally recognized Harvard professor, let alone Sontag, one of the "preeminent intellectuals of our time" (in the words of those eulogizing her) represent large spectrums of society. What they say almost automatically has the capacity to make their ideas respectable among large numbers of their followers and admirers and in the large cultural mileau which they represent, and in thesame token is representative of this cultural mileau. Okie, you make a good point, and those two Jewish crackpots should be denounced just as vociferously as Pierce and Klassen.
When they say something. you can be certain that it is quite close to what a large number of people not only advocate but fundamentally find respectable. I don't know about a large number, but the fact that they are employed intellectuals is disturbing, and thus, they should be denounced and opposed.
I'd be willing to bet that you could find plenty of decent Jewish people to join you in denouncing such nonsense if you would stop hating and demonizing all Jews as a group for the actions of a small minority.
Where are your 100 names? Okie, it was xmetalhead who claimed to have the 100 names, not me.
Really you don't seem to have any conception of the significance of what xmetalhead just said, as do you much of anything except as it relates to your preconceived prejudices, which basically you've come over here to expound.[/QUOTE]And what prejudices are those?
2005-07-16 17:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]I'd be willing to bet that you could find plenty of decent Jewish people to join you in denouncing such nonsense if you would stop hating and demonizing all Jews as a group for the actions of a small minority.[/QUOTE]
"Decent jewish people" like yourself, WE?
2005-07-16 17:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]"Decent jewish people" like yourself, WE?[/QUOTE] lol. The zhid has become just too obvious lately.
2005-07-16 17:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]"Decent jewish people" like yourself, WE?[/QUOTE] No, I am a Christian.
2005-07-16 21:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Okie, you make a good point, and those two Jewish crackpots should be denounced just as vociferously as Pierce and Klassen.
I don't know about a large number, but the fact that they are employed intellectuals is disturbing, and thus, they should be denounced and opposed. I pointed out before, Sontag was hardly a crackpot. See [QUOTE]Author Susan Sontag Dies She was one of America's most influential intellectuals who wrote about diverse subjects and authored 17 books. She was 71.
By Steve Wasserman Times Staff Writer
December 28, 2004, 11:38 AM EST [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96194&postcount=1]our thread on her [/URL] [/QUOTE]I showed you this before, but prejudiced people have little interested in questioning their pre-existing biases.
[QUOTE]I'd be willing to bet that you could find plenty of decent Jewish people to join you in denouncing such nonsense [/QUOTE]There are some. Finklestein, Chomsky, and Shamir come to mind.
[QUOTE]if you would stop hating and demonizing all Jews as a group for the actions of a small minority.[/QUOTE]I could similarly argue - National Socialism was a great idea and movement. I bet you all you jews could find all sorts of friends in WN if you could stop hating all NS, WN, and whites in general for the action of one man.
Would you be willing to lead the charge?
[QUOTE]Okie, it was xmetalhead who claimed to have the 100 names, not me.[/QUOTE]I'm sure he does, but I'll help him out. Just get a member role for the ADL. See - that's more than 100!
And what prejudices are those?[/QUOTE]:lol:
I see you aren't making too many friends on this forum besides Raggy, who would put in a kind word for Foxman and Sharon, and probably quite a bit more, if they'd jump on me. They think you're a jew. Actually I just think you're a typical brainwashed freeper.
Maybe for Freepers we ought to require a minimum intelligence test, and a certain basic education program before you post here, or put you in a basic remedial section. Types like Raggy like good New Yorkers think great amounts of noise is the No. 1 thing, but so far your strategy seems to be just to clog up all our threads with "but the jews are wonderful people, and you are all so nasty" tripe.
2005-07-16 21:47 | User Profile
It stinks too much of gefilte fish: the usual bag of tricks of a zhid troll. And note the non-denial of being of a zhid by blood, only the claim to be a "Christian".
If it walks and talks like a duck, it's a :caiphas: :dung:
2005-07-18 22:24 | User Profile
I have a proposal. Every time someone wants to start a thread or post about Bill White, call him "Herve Villachaise." For no other reason than the silliness seems to match. As in, "Okie, I just don't know about that Herve Villachaise."
2005-07-18 22:25 | User Profile
I have a proposal. Every time someone wants to start a thread or post about Bill White, call him "Herve Villechaize." For no other reason than the silliness seems to match. As in, "Okie, I just don't know about that Herve Villechaize."
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2005-07-18 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I pointed out before, Sontag was hardly a crackpot. See I showed you this before, but prejudiced people have little interested in questioning their pre-existing biases. You are right, that is disturbing. However, when you have a disagreement with someone or some group, do you just rush off and demonize them all and call or plan for their genocide. My approach would be to bring these concerns to good and decent folks, including Jews, and form a collaboration of the responsible.
As God and Jesus Christ both state in the scriptures:
"Come, let us reason together."
There are some. Finklestein, Chomsky, and Shamir come to mind. I agree. And their existence is evidence that not all Jews are rotten and anti-white.
I could similarly argue - National Socialism was a great idea and movement. I bet you all you jews could find all sorts of friends in WN if you could stop hating all NS, WN, and whites in general for the action of one man.
Okie, for the second or third time, I am not a Jew. I am a former Guardian of the "Faith" of the World Church of The Creator, and a recent born-again Christian.
And with regards to Hitler, I know all about the guy. Former friends of mine have been to Germany and toured Nuremberg stadium for near religious reasons. I used to fly a swastika flag in my home. I've read pretty much every book put out by the racist/nazi far right for the last 100 years.
I had dual membership in the National Alliance and WCOTC, before Pierce purged dual loyalists. I used to hate the Jewish people, and practically worship Hitler, because that is what I had been taught, by real life "mentors", and "intellectual mentors" like Klassen, Pierce, Metzger and others.
However, ever since I began seeking God and asking Him to show me the truth about these issues, I have been slowly changing my views on just about everything. God is real. He's not just some fictional being in a book.
Would you be willing to lead the charge? I am going to lead the charge to stamp out the disgraceful lies that have been disseminated about the Jewish people for 2000 years, but I myself am not a Jew. I do, however, have a conscience. I'm sure you do as well.
I'm sure he does, but I'll help him out. Just get a member role for the ADL. See - that's more than 100! Perhaps this is true, perhaps not. I suspect that most members of the ADL are just trying to prevent a resurgence of the kind of anti-semitic madness that took hold of Nazi Germany. Can you really blame them?
I see you aren't making too many friends on this forum besides Raggy, who would put in a kind word for Foxman and Sharon, and probably quite a bit more, if they'd jump on me. They think you're a jew. Actually I just think you're a typical brainwashed freeper. No, an unbrainwashed former Creator neo-Nazi.
Maybe for Freepers we ought to require a minimum intelligence test, and a certain basic education program before you post here, or put you in a basic remedial section. The only forums I ever frequented were VNNForum, Stormfront, the old Creator Forum, the old Resistance Forum, The Phora, and this forum here. I came back here because I saw a Christian cross on the front page and thought it meant something.
Types like Raggy like good New Yorkers think great amounts of noise is the No. 1 thing, but so far your strategy seems to be just to clog up all our threads with "but the jews are wonderful people, and you are all so nasty" tripe.[/QUOTE]I don't think everyone here is nasty by any means. I just see that many neo-Nazi's and neo-Nazi ideas are seeping into this forum, and I know that Tex reveres the Bible as Gods Word (as I do), so I felt the need to speak out. That's all.
2005-07-18 23:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]However, ever since I began seeking God and asking Him to show me the truth about these issues, I have been slowly changing my views on just about everything. [/QUOTE][QUOTE] I am going to lead the charge to stamp out the disgraceful lies that have been disseminated about the Jewish people for 2000 years [/QUOTE]Excellent object lesson, thanks Xian. Worship the God of Israel, do the work of the Jew.
2005-07-18 23:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata]Excellent object lesson, thanks Xian. Worship the God of Israel, do the work of the Jew.[/QUOTE] Which Jew?
Jesus Christ?
I'll take that as a compliment.
2005-07-19 12:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite]Which Jew?
Jesus Christ?[/QUOTE]They're all the same--nation-wreckers and enemies of the white race--Jeebo especially. But you already know that, don't you Xian? If not read my sig, for starters.
2005-07-23 11:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust][url="http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=8161"]Overthrow.com[/url]
SPLC Has Informant At Top Levels Of VNN Give Exact Figures, Internal Details In Interview With Tampa Tribune
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Kirksville, Missouri -- The Southern Poverty Law Center's Joe Roy, in a recent interview with the Tampa Tribune, gave exact figures and internal details of the distribution of The Aryan Alternative newspaper, published by VNN's Alex Linder and federal informer Stephen Samuel Miller, indicating that the SPLC has an informer placed in the core of VNN's operations. Roy stated to the Tampa Tribune that 9,000 copies of the Aryan Alternative had been distributed to date. The figures contradict those published publicly on the VNN forum website, which indicate 20,000 copies were published and 12,200 were distributed.
The SPLC began a campaign to infiltrate Vanguard News Network in 2003. Linder, an alcoholic, was introduced to Miller, also, according to Miller's website, an alcoholic, and soon Miller began taking control of Linder's publishing operations. Miller, who operates under the pseudonyms Frazier Glenn Miller and "Rounder", was a federal informant who testified against both his own organization, the White Patriot Party, the Order, and the leaders of most white activist groups at the Fort Smith sedition trials, during the 1980s.
During his time as an informer, Miller developed a relationship with Southern Poverty Law Center founder Morris Dees, and went so far as to give Dees a ride to the airport from the trial of a civil lawsuit Dees brought against Miller, in order to discuss a settlement of the charges.
When the SPLC saw VNN uniting various white activists and building institutions that challenged the existing SPLC-informer dominated white organizations, it, with the assistance of other groups, worked to promote Miller, splitting VNN up and leaving it as another non-threatening, informer- controlled and dominated, phony "white" organization which they could use as a "threat" to promote their groups in the mass media.
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[url="http://www.overthrow.com/"]http://www.overthrow.com[/url] [email="bwhite@mail.overthrow.com"]bwhite@mail.overthrow.com[/email]
Sounds a little speculative, but certainly possible. BTW, anyone ever notice how slow overthrow.com is? Has anyone ever reported ping attacks on it? - Okie[/QUOTE] I wonder what VNN is doing with the addresses of the people who send them checks for the tabloid? Handing the information over to the government?
2005-07-26 07:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=White Elite] I am going to lead the charge to stamp out the disgraceful lies that have been disseminated about the Jewish people for 2000 years, but I myself am not a Jew. I do, however, have a conscience. I'm sure you do as well. [/QUOTE]
I'm a Christian and I'm certainly not interested in spreading lies about Jews or anyone. Just the truth. But when it comes to Jews, the truth is very damning.
So I suppose we should ignore that in order to be politically correct?