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2005-06-13 00:33 | User Profile
What Are They Smoking?
By J. Woodruff
Neocon Says Rap Music Will Convince the Arabe World It Needs Democracy and Global Capitalism
pplauding the arrival of democracy in Iraq, neocon theoretician Victor Davis Hanson is confident that Arab populations are weary of "the plague of tribalism, gender apartheid, human rights abuses, religious fanaticism, and patriarchy" that hitherto have characterized their Islamic culture. These horrors of autocratic Arab societies can only be ended by "democracy - and its twin of open market capitalism," he writes in the April 1 National Review Online. And how does he know that Arab peoples long for Western-style democracies and capitalism? "What is bringing the Middle East to the crisis stage," says Hanson, "is the spread into traditional societies of Western-style popular culture, liberality, and materialism - with all its destabilizing and unforseen consequences. DVD's, the Internet, rap music, wide-open television and movies - all this and more have titillated once-closed cultures. Globalization also reminded the masses just how far behind the rest of the world Arab society has lapsed under its many faces of autocracy." Reflecting the kind of shallow thinking that has characterized America's neocon foreign policy thus far, it has apparently never occurred to Mr. Hanson that it is precisely the spread of the stinking sewer of America's corporate popular culture via television and movies that has convinced devout Mideast Muslims that the U.S. is, indeed, "the great Satan," and which has, far from attracting admiration among Arabs, has instead enhanced the recruiting efforts of groups like al Qaeda who are looking for the sort of folks who want to kill Westerners.
Hanson is convinced that the infiltration of the blessings of global capitalism such as rap music not only "reminds the Arab street of what it is missing out on" but will help prevent terror attacks. Hanson says the West must continue to impose itself on the Mideast because "for better or worse, we are here and we can only press on..." The only problem we face is "not that we have pushed democracy too abruptly into once-hostile lands, but that we have not pushed it enough..." He admits the push for democracy in the Mideast is "dangerous," but that it is "most dangerous of all" not to push democracy "through to its logical end" (whatever that is) because that alone "will end the pathologies that led to September 11."
But the "pathologies" of Arabic autocracy, tribalism, and gender apartheid which Hanson meticulously targets for destruction by democratic capitalism are not what led to 9-11. Neither Arab autocracy nor Islamic gender apartheid launched terrorist attacks on America. What led to 9-11 was resistance to the kind of Western interference in Mideast affairs that Hanson himself recommends. In the 1970's, that resistance triggered the radical Islamic reaction to Westernization in Iran, propelling the Ayatollah Khomeni's revolution that toppled the America-friendly Shah.
As long as empire-building neocons insist on imposing Western-style democratic capitalism on foreign peoples all over the world by bombs and bayonets, there will be terrorist attacks on America from folks who prefer their own culture to ours.
[url]http://www.manews.org/smoking0505.html[/url]
2005-06-13 03:28 | User Profile
Dont you just love all that "gender apartheid" nonsense? I have no desire to be an Arab or a Persian, but just imagine living in a society where there is no battle between the sexes, where men, women and childen exist in a system of clearly defined rights and duties. That's the way Western society used to be before before the cultural Marxists took it over.
Feminists seem to think that most Middle-eastern women sit around bemoaning their fate because they can't boss around their husbands like Western women do. Oh, I am sure that there are some women that fit that category, but I don't think any but a small angry minority feel that way. Feminists are such a bunch of closed-minded, bigots that they can't IMAGINE someone not wanting to live their lifestyle. There are literally BILLIONS of women on this planet that live in patriarchal societies and I think the majority of them don't have any problem with their cultures and the assigned sex roles in them.
2005-06-13 03:55 | User Profile
LOL, Like this one perhaps?
[URL=http://www.ironsheik.biz/Music/NEOCONLUVSONG.mp3]Neo-con rap song[/URL]
Apologies in advance for the ear-ache, it made me laugh though. It's by a Palestinian rapper called "The Iron Sheik".
2005-06-13 04:12 | User Profile
Looks like Arabs have already discovered rap music. And it doesn't seem to make them like us:
[url]http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1143499,00.html[/url]
[QUOTE]**Islamic rappers' message of terror **
Antony Barnett Sunday February 8, 2004 The Observer
It's rap, jihad-style. A music video with blood-curdling images, fronted by a young British Muslim rapper brandishing a gun and a Koran is the latest hit in radical Islamic circles.
The rap song is called 'Dirty Kuffar' - Arabic for dirty non-believer - and it praises Osama bin Laden and the attack on the World Trade Centre in New York.
The video has recently been posted on the British website run by the Islamic extremist Mohammed al-Massari, the UK-based Saudi Arabian dissident who has lived in Britain since 1994. Al-Massari claims that the video has been selling in large quantities at mosques to the younger generation and is in heavy demand overseas.
The rapper fronting the video calls himself Sheikh Terra and the Soul Salah Crew - a take on the rap group So Solid Crew. 'Salah' is Arabic for faith.
The video might at first be mistaken for an Ali G spoof, but the violent images quickly reveal it is no joke.
The song starts with images of US marines in Iraq cheering as one of them shoots a wounded Iraqi lying on the floor. At the end of the video, it features shots of the hijacked planes flying into the Twin Towers with sounds of the rappers laughing. There is then a list of 56 countries they claim have been the 'victims of American aggression' since 1945.
The four-minute rap is essentially a repeated diatribe against the 'dirty non-believers' Tony Blair and George Bush, urging listeners to 'throw them on the fire'.
One of the most brutal images shows a jihadist fighter in Chechnya riddling a captured Russian soldier with a Kalashnikov. Another image labels Pakistan president General Pervez Musharraf a traitor and shows photographs of Colin Powell and Condeleezza Rice with the words 'still slaves' superimposed across their bodies.
Labour MP Andrew Dismore said he was 'disgusted' by the video and is to refer it to the Home Office and ask the police to investigate if any offence has been committed.
Dismore said: 'These extremist are using music and video to prey on young and impressionable Muslim boys in order to attract them to their brand of lunacy and entice them to commit acts of terror. It is inexcusable.'
The website on which the video was originally posted is run by the Committee for the Defence of Legitimate Rights in Saudi Arabia, a group run by al-Massari who came to Britain in 1994 after being imprisoned by the Saudi regime.
He said: 'A boy came to me and showed me the video and I thought the content was good, although I am no expert on rap. I thought it was an excellent attempt to use modern methods to get a message across.'
Al-Massari did not see a problem in using Western music and MTV-like images to sell a message of jihad. He said that it was an effective way of attracting young Muslims who had been put off by other Islamic sects such as the Taliban, which banned music and dancing. 'I do not know of any young Muslim who has not either seen or got this video. It is selling everywhere. Everyone I meet at the mosque is asking for it.'
Al-Massari denied that the messages in the video incited Muslims to take part in terrorist attacks against the West.
He said: 'I believe the lyrics are only metaphorical. It is not like this is a fatwa.'
In November 2002, al-Massari circulated a 4,000-word message allegedly from Osama bin Laden. In 2001, al-Massari was granted permanent residence in Britain, five years after Michael Howard, then Conservative Home Secretary, tried to deport him.
Excerpt from 'Dirty Kuffar' Peace to Hamas and the Hizbollah OBL [bin-Laden] pulled me like a shiny star Like the way we destroyed them two towers ha-ha The minister Tony Blair, there my dirty Kuffar The one Mr Bush, there my dirty Kuffar... Throw them on the fire[/QUOTE] You can view the music video here:
[url]http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/terror/JihadRap.wmv[/url]
[IMG]http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/images/DK-percussion.gif[/IMG]
2005-06-13 16:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]Dont you just love all that "gender apartheid" nonsense? I have no desire to be an Arab or a Persian, but just imagine living in a society where there is no battle between the sexes, where men, women and childen exist in a system of clearly defined rights and duties. That's the way Western society used to be before before the cultural Marxists took it over.
Feminists seem to think that most Middle-eastern women sit around bemoaning their fate because they can't boss around their husbands like Western women do. Oh, I am sure that there are some women that fit that category, but I don't think any but a small angry minority feel that way. Feminists are such a bunch of closed-minded, bigots that they can't IMAGINE someone not wanting to live their lifestyle. There are literally BILLIONS of women on this planet that live in patriarchal societies and I think the majority of them don't have any problem with their cultures and the assigned sex roles in them.[/QUOTE]
Very well stated. Western society is quickly crumbling because of it's Jewish form of matriarchal rule. This fact is surely not lost on the Muslims and answers the reasons why Muslim men continue to sacrifice themselves to the death in resistance to American/Zionist designs for NWO.
2005-06-14 01:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]There are literally BILLIONS of women on this planet that live in patriarchal societies and I think the majority of them don't have any problem with their cultures and the assigned sex roles in them.[/QUOTE] Don't make assumptions about Billions of people that you don't know. These patriarchal societies are not all roses and sunshine for women. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with the feminazis at all. But a society that stones a woman to death because she was raped doesn't sound like a good place for anyone. I would not want our Western civilization to go down this road. We can certainly do better.
2005-06-14 04:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]Don't make assumptions about Billions of people that you don't know. These patriarchal societies are not all roses and sunshine for women. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with the feminazis at all. But a society that stones a woman to death because she was raped doesn't sound like a good place for anyone. I would not want our Western civilization to go down this road. We can certainly do better.[/QUOTE] Having heard Arab music, I am not sure Rap is any worse. :whstl:
2005-06-15 03:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Having heard Arab music, I am not sure Rap is any worse. :whstl:[/QUOTE] haaaa, I heard that Agulara's (?) songs were being used to torture.:eek:
2005-06-15 03:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Having heard Arab music, I am not sure Rap is any worse. :whstl:[/QUOTE] I kinda like some Arab music. Especially the military chants/harmonies like Fadjiroehim.
I can't stand the Lebanese techno/Arabic-wailing earsore I always hear coming from falafel joints though.
2005-06-17 05:41 | User Profile
I may not like seeing a raped woman getting stoned, but I wouldn't mind the hookers tramping up and down the street four blocks from here being sentenced to a stoning. But seriously, BlueBonnet, why do you just assume women in Third-World patriarchal societies are unhappy with their lot? I think I can say as a general rule that most people in just about any society are happy with the broad outlines of the majority mores of that society. American males, the big losers in feminist America, just love our feminist culture here in the US of A.
2005-06-17 18:00 | User Profile
[quote=CornCod]American males, the big losers in feminist America, just love our feminist culture here in the US of A.
Because masculinity has been reduced to the lowest-common-denominator of ta-tas, sports and beer. Not that I have anything against those items per se mind you, just that there's more to being a man than drunkenly cheering on NBA idiots with a sticky copy of the latest Maxim* magazine in your lap.
*Oh, and paying child support too.
2005-06-17 19:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by CornCod American males, the big losers in feminist America, just love our feminist culture here in the US of A. [/QUOTE]
Because masculinity has been reduced to the lowest-common-denominator of ta-tas, sports and beer. [QUOTE=MadScienceType]Because masculinity has been reduced to the lowest-common-denominator of ta-tas, sports and beer. Not that I have anything against those items per se mind you, just that there's more to being a man than drunkenly cheering on NBA idiots with a sticky copy of the latest Maxim magazine in your lap.
*Oh, and paying child support too.[/QUOTE]
It also made it really, really easy to get some in college. Girls infected with that stuff are easy, easy pickin's. :yes:
Femism is really, really good for guys who want to behave like irresponsbile teenagers their whole lives.
Bang 'em and forget 'em, with condoms and pills to prevent messes from happening, morning after pills for easy clean-up when things do get messy, and late term abortions for when things really get out of hand.
And the beauty of femism from the point of view of the male sexual vulture is that it tells girls that they should feel bad about NOT severing the physical act of sex from its connection to their souls. Femism tells girls that they're really just men with breasts, and that all those deep nurturing and nesting feelings they have are not hardwired by Nature into their brains but rather are merely epiphenomenal manifestations of a diseased patriarchical culture.
And it works so very well.
2005-06-17 19:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis] Femism is really, really good for guys who want to behave like irresponsbile teenagers their whole lives.
Bang 'em and forget 'em, with condoms and pills to prevent messes from happening, morning after pills for easy clean-up when things do get messy, and late term abortions for when things really get out of hand.
And the beauty of femism from the point of view of the male sexual vulture is that it tells girls that they should feel bad about NOT severing the physical act of sex from its connection to their souls. Femism tells girls that they're really just men with breasts, and that all those deep nurturing and nesting feelings they have are not hardwired by Nature into their brains but rather are merely epiphenomenal manifestations of a diseased patriarchical culture.
And it works so very well.[/QUOTE] Good points, Walt. Thus, feminism destroys true femininity and true masculinity with one stroke. It destroys femininity by convincing women that they are really just curvier men, and it destroys true masculinity by keeping males in a state of retarded development, a rutting, interminable adolescence, for their entire lives. When society does not expect boys to become men, the majority of them will not.
2005-06-18 05:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]I may not like seeing a raped woman getting stoned, but I wouldn't mind the hookers tramping up and down the street four blocks from here being sentenced to a stoning. But seriously, BlueBonnet, why do you just assume women in Third-World patriarchal societies are unhappy with their lot? What makes you an expert? > I think I can say as a general rule that most people in just about any society are happy with the broad outlines of the majority mores of that society. American males, the big losers in feminist America, just love our feminist culture here in the US of A.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with certain aspects of our society either, but telling me that the way things are over there should be done here as well, get ready for a fight mister. I got a gun and will blow any sob away that thinks I'm supposed to give up my rights.:gunsmilie I love America. I love American men. American men are amazing, they fight for what's right, and if a woman acts absurd he knows that it's not a reflection of his masculinaty. The same can't be said for other men.
2005-06-18 11:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Having heard Arab music, I am not sure Rap is any worse. :whstl:[/QUOTE]I realize there is no accounting for taste, but surely you jest!
Arab - and middle eastern - music is quite enchanting albeit different from Western music. It's many orders of magnitude more complex and more cultured than any of the crap produced by rap "artists".
Seriously, I hope you are either jesting, or are simply ignorant of middle eastern music, because prefering rap to Arab/middle eastern music is a sure sign of a disordered mind. It's like preferring an mess of rags to a persian carpet. No comparison.
Maybe you haven't heard any good Arab/middle eastern music. Here's my current favorite: [url=http://www.turkumusic.com/]Turku[/url] which is more "central asian" than Arabic, but it's all pretty similar. Lots of interesting influences going on here: central asian music in particular you can hear lots of influences being picked up and transmitted to and from the middle east, India, China, and Europe. I swear, some of these central asian galloping tunes one could easily transform into a Country Western song, complete with yodeling.
In fact I was just listening to Arpad's Guz (courtesy of [url=http://www.boiledinlead.com/]Boild in Lead[/url]), a Hungarian tune that sounds like it has a lot of central asian influence. Also sounds like it would make for one hell of a metal/country headbanging riff if some ambitious white musician wanted to adapt it. Makes you want to leap on your horse and conquer the steppes. Heck, it even ends with a brief yodel (the Boiled in Lead version does, at least).
Rap has nothing to compare with the rich traditions and complex forms of Eurasia - Arab music included.
2005-06-18 11:20 | User Profile
I know I am slow on the uptake sometimes, but surely I was not the only one to notice the irony of this:
Applauding the arrival of democracy in Iraq, neocon theoretician Victor Davis Hanson is confident that Arab populations are weary of "the plague of tribalism, gender apartheid, human rights abuses, religious fanaticism, and patriarchy" that hitherto have characterized their Islamic culture. Ah.....
Anyone else see the extreme irony, not to mention lunacy, of gangbanger "rap culture" as some kind of cure for the Arab world's "cultural problems"? You know, rap music - all about "busting a cap" and killing cops, rival gang members, etc., whilst beating up your own "bitches" and endulging in every kind of drugs and sex and violence and animalistic behavior imaginable.
If you want tribalism, gender apartheid, human rights abuses, religious fanticism (ie, weird Black Muslim cults), and patriarchy, rap music has this all already. But on a much lower cultural level than that of the Arab world.
Say what you will about the problems of the Arab world, but imposing our putrid popular culture on them is no way to "improve" them; we can only corrupt them down to our own level. This is hardly something a true conservative would advocate, but then we all know what neo-cons really are.
2005-06-20 05:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Rap has nothing to compare with the rich traditions and complex forms of Eurasia - Arab music included.[/QUOTE] Seconded. I came across this page a while ago:
[URL=http://www.infovlad.net/?page_id=154]Jihadi Movie Soundtrack[/URL]
It's perhaps a strange way to become aquainted with Arabic music, but I liked a lot of what I found here. :punk: :osama:
This is nice as well: [url]www.alsr7.com/upload/files/mp3/yallalah.mp3[/url]
2005-06-20 15:38 | User Profile
Rap is Eurasian-Arab music? lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
Now people in America will find any reason to blame the Arabs for everything which is bad in this country.
Last week there were SEVEN earth quakes is California, I believe the reason for this was that there was a kid in Syria playing his toy drum. :clap:
As the old saying goes " If a butterfly in South America flutter its wings you could have a tornado in the USA".
2005-06-21 02:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]I realize there is no accounting for taste, but surely you jest!
Arab - and middle eastern - music is quite enchanting albeit different from Western music. It's many orders of magnitude more complex and more cultured than any of the crap produced by rap "artists"..[/QUOTE] Perhaps I was unclear. I car for neither. However, I only heard a little modern Arab music, and small samples of more traditional forms, so I have not been equally exposed to variety. So, to be fair, I should give Arabian music more chances, check out more of it before I make a judgment on that.
And whoever said exporting Rap to the Arab world would be a foul is correct, but it is already there.
2005-06-21 04:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE]it has apparently never occurred to Mr. Hanson that it is precisely the spread of the stinking sewer of America's corporate popular culture via television and movies that has convinced devout Mideast Muslims that the U.S. is, indeed, "the great Satan," and which has, far from attracting admiration among Arabs, has instead enhanced the recruiting efforts of groups like al Qaeda who are looking for the sort of folks who want to kill Westerners. [/QUOTE]Well, all the vile, disgusting garbage that permeates our "culture" are cherished freedoms that these people are missing out on. And like has been said 500 billion times, they hate us because we are free. Hell, if I were a devout muslim and I watched an episode of Jerry Springer, for example, and realized, at least at one time that was one of the most popular shows on american television, or concluded(though wrongfully) that many Americans were like the trash I saw on there, I think I would be wanting to take part in a jihad against the infidels also. LOL.
[QUOTE=BlueBonnet]What makes you an expert? I don't agree with certain aspects of our society either, but telling me that the way things are over there should be done here as well, get ready for a fight mister. I got a gun and will blow any sob away that thinks I'm supposed to give up my rights.:gunsmilie .[/QUOTE]I would have to agree with you on that.:rockon:
2005-06-21 05:14 | User Profile
It is always funny to hear the republicans rant about the glory of democracy, I wonder how many people question why America which was founded as a republic is now a democracy?
2005-06-25 00:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE]These patriarchal societies are not all roses and sunshine for women. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with the feminazis at all. But a society that stones a woman to death because she was raped doesn't sound like a good place for anyone.[/QUOTE]
They are not roses and sunshine for [I]Western [/I] women, who are used to a completely different lifestyle. However to anyone brought up in that sort of society, it will neither be [I]good [/I] nor [I]bad [/I] because it will be normal for them...the way that things are.
I would say to anyone dead-set against the normalizing, or increasing influence, of Muslims in the West: you'd best drop to your knees and plead with Yahweh to withdraw all of our personnel from the region [I]tout suite[/I] in that case....because nothing opens the door to the very things you're purportedly fighting [I]against [/I] than a Western nation winning a war. (You know, once upon a time people thought supporting the state of Israel was a good idea because surely the world's Jews would eventually [I]all [/I] settle there and stay [I]out [/I] of the affairs of gentile nations.....)
As for Hansen's article, it's just more neocon toilet-paper....something to wipe your ass with and then forget about. But if we ever develop a taste for Soviet-style show trials over here, I really wouldn't mind - if they were restricted to guys like Hanson and Boot and Kristol and Suleyman Ahmad. A kangaroo hearing, promptly followed by a bullet in the head, would suit these Bold Thinkers - whose Bold Thinking gets everyone but themselves bombed and shot at and killed in far-off lands - eminently well. Otherwise the next generation of Jews and careerist goys will be hard at work whitewashing the neocon legacy, airbrushing out the treason and megalomania, and presenting these aging Neos as elder statesmen and American heroes in 25 years' time. Frankly, Bill Kristol would serve America better as a Benedict Arnold in a [I]yarmulke[/I], tried and shot during the Great Show Trials of 2015, than as an American Ambassador to a foreign country, or an august personage pimping his memoirs on the Sunday morning chat shows.
2005-06-25 02:06 | User Profile
While I don't support the current foreign policy goals, I'm not offended by bullying around wog nations, per se. Westerners often tend to let their imaginations get carried away, the Eastern world being no exception. It looks like the whole notion of "romantic Araby" still seems to reside in the hearts of some, and in nationalist circles this might be partly the residue of Hitler and Nazi Islamophilia . The only non-Western nations for which I have some admiration are a few places in East Asia; the Middle East is interesting, perhaps, in an academic sense. But like the Maya or Aztecs, this interest does not spill over into admiration or sympathy, much less actually wanting to live in such societies. Oppose zionists and neocons or not, I still don't like them and they are certainly not our friends.