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Thread ID: 18615 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2005-06-10
2005-06-10 15:14 | User Profile
[url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/581074.html]Link to Haaretz article[/url]
Women-only council planned for pro-Israel evangelical lobby group
By Daphna Berman
May 27, 2005
At the National Religious Broadcasters convention in California earlier this year, Christian Zionist leader Kay Arthur declared in a since memorable speech that despite her love for the United States, "if I had to chose between America and Israel, I would choose Israel."
According to reports, the gathering, which included the who's who in the religious broadcasting world, responded with "tepid" applause, a few faces "cringing with embarrassment."
Arthur, who was in Israel this week, had apparently crossed a sort of fine line, that until now most outspoken Christian Zionists have managed to delicately, for the most part, maintain.
But Arthur, whose name often appears alongside the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed, insisted in a Jerusalem interview this week that she stands behind the declaration and plans, in fact, on becoming even more involved in the Holy Land with the creation of a women's council within the Christian Allies Caucus, the increasingly influential evangelical lobby group in the Knesset.
"I completely stand behind my speech at the conference," she insisted. "God has chosen Israel above all the nations of the earth, and because I love God, I have to follow God's heart and be dedicated to the land and the people of Israel."
Arthur, 71, the co-founder of the Precept Ministries, which is based in the U.S. but has branches in some 120 countries worldwide, was in Israel this week leading a tour group of 150 devoted Christians to various holy sites - save Bethlehem, "because it's a hassle to get there."
By her own estimates, she's been to Israel "at least 30 times" since she was born-again at age 29. She hosts her own radio show and television program, where she appears before hundreds of thousands of co-religionists and rattles off verses from the Old and New Testament alike, convincing them of Jewish nation's uniqueness and the biblical-basis for her gung-ho Zionism.
"When my feet touched Eretz Israel," she says of her first trip here, "I felt at home."
In the hours following that February speech in California, Arthur was approached by a number of Israelis in the crowd, including Tourism Minister Abraham Hirchson, MK Yuri Stern, who founded of the Christian Allies Caucus, and U.S.-born Josh Reinstein, who serves as the director of the lobby.
Together, it was agreed that Arthur would join the Caucus, and at the moment, she's working towards the creation of a women-only group within the lobby, to include other American religious leaders, such as Christian broadcast guru Janet Parshall and Diane Hagee, wife of well-known television evangelist John Hagee.
Against the pullout
They'll be joined by MK Gila Gamliel (Likud) and MK Gila Finkelstein (NRP), with the aim of furthering Judeo-Christian discourse, and its role in the advancement of women. The counsel will provide a platform for these women to discuss issues such as domestic abuse and women's rights in the context of religious values.
Kay, who is in the midst of planning a national women's convention in Tennessee for Christian women later this summer, has already invited Gamliel and Finkelstein as her featured guests.
In the meantime, Arthur is determined to maintain a steadfast connection to the Israeli political scene. She is firmly against the disengagement or any form of giving away "God's land" and she believes it is evangelical pressure alone that maintains the warm relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
"The president [George Bush] is a wonderful, God-fearing man," she said, "but we have to continue to pray that he honors God's covenant with Israel."
2005-06-10 15:17 | User Profile
One word: sickening. :furious:
2005-06-10 15:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE]...other American religious leaders, such as Christian broadcast guru Janet Parshall[/QUOTE]
Oh man, Janet Parshall. I don't know about any of the rest of y'all, but I just can't stomach listening to that lady. I'd put her up against any of the most shrill neo-con, Bush/GOP shills on the radio today. 10 or 15 minutes of her and I'm pulling my hair out and begging for mercy. Ugh.
2005-06-10 15:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Christian Zionist leader Kay Arthur declared in a since memorable speech that despite her love for the United States, "if I had to chose between America and Israel, I would choose Israel."
According to reports, the gathering, which included the who's who in the religious broadcasting world, responded with "tepid" applause, a few faces "cringing with embarrassment."[/QUOTE]
Ahhhahum, excuse me, Ms Arthur, even the "who's who" of Zionuts would like to at least keep their dirtiest ass licking of Israelis completely private, thank you very much!!
2005-06-10 16:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Ahhhahum, excuse me, Ms Arthur, even the "who's who" of Zionuts would like to at least keep their dirtiest ass licking of Israelis completely private, thank you very much!![/QUOTE]
It ought to be a simple, straight-forward policy: if anyone publicly and forthrightly declares a higher allegiance to a foreign country, they should immediately be deported.
Just seems like common sense to me.
2005-06-10 20:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It ought to be a simple, straight-forward policy: if anyone publicly and forthrightly declares a higher allegiance to a foreign country, they should immediately be deported.
Just seems like common sense to me.[/QUOTE]Or at least stripped of their citizenship. After all, we strip citizenship and deport 90+ year old Eastern Europeans for allegedly being concentration camp guards, in spite of their being, as far as anyone can tell, perfectly loyal American citizens.
But then we all know what loyalty is considered the highest value under the current regime.
2005-06-10 21:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"When my feet touched Eretz Israel," she says of her first trip here, "I felt at home."[/QUOTE] El AL is ready when she is. Once there she can pretend that she has gone back in time and work in a [I]Kibbutz[/I]. There she can pick fruit from a farm that one time belonged to a Palestinian that was stolen by the so-called "settlers". There is always a need for [I]shabbos goys[/I] like this to do the jobs that Jews won't do.
What a whore of the lowest kind.
2005-06-11 02:23 | User Profile
[img]http://www.precept.org/images/kaycoralsched.jpg[/img] Kay Arthur [font=Arial]Precept Ministries International [url="http://www.precept.org/newindex.html"]http://www.precept.org/newindex.html[/url] P.O. Box 182218 Chattanooga, TN 37422 800.763.8280
[img]http://www.jpamerica.com/images/janetbio6.jpg[/img] Janet Parshall [url="http://www.jpamerica.com/bio.htm"]http://www.jpamerica.com/bio.htm[/url] ... in 1998, Janet was elected to the Board of Directors of the National Religious Broadcasters, and has been elected to service on the Executive Board since 2001. Janet has been nominated on numerous occasions for talk show program and host of the year awards by the American Women in Radio and Television Commendation Award and the Achievement in Radio (A.I.R.). In addition to Janet Parshallââ¬â¢s America, Janet hosted Renewing the Heart, a one-hour radio program dedicated to womenââ¬â¢s issues produced by Focus on the Family from 2000 to 2003. In October 2004, Janet also embarked on her role as host of a daily television talk show for FamilyNet television. [/font]
2005-06-11 04:14 | User Profile
Albion,
I found this in the study guide section. [QUOTE]ââ¬ÅThe time in Israel was one full of new experiences, new friends, and new adventures. I will not forget the cry of the Jewish people for peace and freedom. I await the day when Jesus takes His seat on the Throne of David and rules from Jerusalem!ââ¬Â[/QUOTE] A real gem of an "American". [url]http://www.precept.org/newindex.html[/url]
2005-06-11 08:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]It ought to be a simple, straight-forward policy: if anyone publicly and forthrightly declares a higher allegiance to a foreign country, they should immediately be deported.
Just seems like common sense to me.[/QUOTE]
As long as there are multiple, credible witnesses, ABSOLUTELY![/B] Such faithless, disloyal degenerates should be administratively stripped of their United States citizenship (as well as the citizenship of the U.S. state in which they reside, as per the convoluted text of the questionably ratified 14th Amendment of the Constitution), deported from the physical territory of our nation, and further denied eligibility, on a strictly lifelong basis, for re-entry to the United States for any reason what-so-ever (with severe** criminal penalties pertaining to instances of surreptitious re-entry).
They should thank us, perhaps on their knees, for mercifully not requiring them to serve at least a five-year stretch in Federal prison, and permitting them to retain their non-real estate* assets.
Obviously, ownership of the property deeds of parcels of land located within the physical territory of the United States should only be permitted amongst U.S. citizens & permanent legal residents; such de facto* traitors as referenced above, certainly need not hold out any hope of their being allowed to further stain our nation through such a direct association with its soil.
2005-06-11 16:16 | User Profile
I'll go with Sertorious on this one, and suggest that she needs to move. To Israel. May she be in a mall when a really big bomb goes off. At least that might shut her up.
[QUOTE]"I completely stand behind my speech at the conference," she insisted. "God has chosen Israel above all the nations of the earth, and because I love God, I have to follow God's heart and be dedicated to the land and the people of Israel." [/QUOTE] OK, turn in your passport, wench, and apply for a green card. Make sure you can speak Spanish. :unsure: Enjoy your time in your new, chosen, homeland. Like you said, before witnesses she made her statement of loyalty.
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]As long as there are multiple, credible witnesses, ABSOLUTELY! Such faithless, disloyal degenerates should be administratively stripped of their United States citizenship (as well as the citizenship of the U.S. state in which they reside, as per the convoluted text of the questionably ratified 14th Amendment of the Constitution), deported from the physical territory of our nation, and further denied eligibility, on a strictly lifelong basis, for re-entry to the United States for any reason what-so-ever (with severe criminal penalties pertaining to instances of surreptitious re-entry). They should thank us, perhaps on their knees, for mercifully not requiring them to serve at least a five-year stretch in Federal prison, and permitting them to retain their non-real estate* assets.
Obviously, ownership of the property deeds of parcels of land located within the physical territory of the United States should only be permitted amongst U.S. citizens & permanent legal residents; such de facto* traitors as referenced above, certainly need not hold out any hope of their being allowed to further stain our nation through such a direct association with its soil.[/QUOTE]
2005-06-13 10:27 | User Profile
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=4]"When my feet touched Eretz Israel," she says of her first trip here, "I felt at home."[/SIZE][/COLOR]
I'm sure Gush Emunim is ready to embrace their Younger Sister in the Faith with open arms. Maybe they'll hock an oyster in her yap and have a big New Testament barbecue to welcome her home in style.
Stupid, ignorant apostate-traitor-c-nt.....
2005-06-13 13:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE][Kay Arthur] was in Israel this week leading a tour group of 150 devoted Christians to various holy sites - save Bethlehem, "because it's a hassle to get there."[/QUOTE] Bethlehem, Bethlehem, hmm... let me see now... it's been a few years since I've had occasion to find myself in a church but that name rings a bell. Oh yes, Iââ¬â¢ve got it - the birthplace of Jesus Christ, Lord God and saviour of mankind! Oh well, at least they probably got to see the Wailing Wall.
2005-06-13 14:00 | User Profile
One way to start with her would be to publicly bring her statements to the attention of Homeland Security, and the FBI. They will be obliged to investigate. Whose congressional district and jurisdiction is she in?
2005-06-14 17:12 | User Profile
I knew there was a reason why the God of the bible wanted women to "keep silent" in the churches.
2005-06-14 19:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]As long as there are multiple, credible witnesses, ABSOLUTELY![/B] Such faithless, disloyal degenerates should be administratively stripped of their United States citizenship (as well as the citizenship of the U.S. state in which they reside, as per the convoluted text of the questionably ratified 14th Amendment of the Constitution), deported from the physical territory of our nation, and further denied eligibility, on a strictly lifelong basis, for re-entry to the United States for any reason what-so-ever (with severe** criminal penalties pertaining to instances of surreptitious re-entry). Actually this raises a serious question. In the old days people actually were stripped of their U.S. citizenship on the basis of statements like these. Especially when they lived abroad. It makes you wonder how she could take an oath of allegiance to support the U.S. Constitution for instance - doesn't that oath at least for some people (soldiers) contain the phrase "against enemies at home and abroad?
Its intersting how brazen she is. Even Gus Hall of the CPUSA was more nuanced than that. He said if a war broke out between the USSR and USA he'd fight against whichever nation "was the aggressor". Of course the USSR by definition is never the aggressor, but at least he felt the need to be deceptive.